I'm just saying that Vera can beat people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke
Would you not bet on him if he fought, say, Goran Relic?
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I'm just saying that Vera can beat people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke
Would you not bet on him if he fought, say, Goran Relic?
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I have certain fighters I wont bet in boxing/MMA because they are so inconsistent ,Vera is one of them .So more than likely no matter who he was fighting I wouldnt bet himQuote:
Originally Posted by SPX
I honestly don't think he's inconsistent. I think he's consistently an "okay" fighter. That is, he consistently loses to the best and beats guys who are more middle-tier. Because he's Vera, and has the name and history that he does, he almost always is matched up against top guys, like Thiago Silva, Jones, and Couture (who a lot of people thought he beat).Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke
When he's fighting guys like Reese Andy and K-Sos--guys who are solid fighters but not really near the top of the division--he wins. In many ways, he's really a victim of the early success that he found because now expectations are so high.
^ I agree. As long as you know what you're getting with Vera, he is fine. He is not now, nor was he ever, a great fighter. He is a solid mid level guy. The UFC sold him as a contender when they had no other HWs and people bought it. As soon as he started fighting top guys, he started getting his ass kicked (Werdum, Silva) . When he fights scrubs, he wins (Eilers, Buentello). When he fights othr mid level guys (Jardines of the world) it is competitive. That is because he is a mid level guy. As long as we know and treat him as such, he is fine.
^^^^^^^says the man that bet Vera vs Bones Jones
Think that was more of a bet against Jones' hype.
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Originally Posted by zY|
Dont think so but thanks for playing
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Vera is +210. I think Vera is gonna take this. I am making this bet now.
I know the Jon Jones hype is kinda out of hand right now, but stylistically, I do not see how Jones can beat Vera.
Jones has some fancy strikes, but hasn't shown any real power... he like to stand out at kicking range and then leap in. Vera is going to kicking him all day. He is not going to throw Vera around either, who is every bit as good or better wrestler than Jones. Both were Greco guys, and Vera has shown some very good take down defense when he wants to. If he does get take down, Vera has shown a good guard.
I think Vera wins here, terrible style matchup for Jones. Thoughts?
Vera = Great Gatekeeper
That's how the UFC should use him if they're going to use him at all.
I'm just screwing around MMAscientist so dont get mad(if you are). I've made more bad bets on here than probably anyone ...I'm just messing with ya a little
^ I wouldn't get mad about that. I completely own up to the Vera bet as one of the most embarassing mistakes ever. But at least he was +210.
I did think Vera would beat Jones, but that was before I knew Jones was invincible.
Even reading the analysis now, it makes sense. I just completely underestimated Jones' wrestling.
He's really starting to look that way. I'm struggling to find a way Rashad doesn't die against him. Rashad was nearly knocked out in both of his last 2 wins. Outside of a Chuck-esque KO(unlikely imo), I'm not sure what he offers against Jones. Seems like a brutal style matchup for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMA_scientist
I bet Tim Sylvia vs Abe Wagner and laid -450 , I win worst IWS bet lol
You got +210 I laid -450 .......nuff said
He's going to have to try and use his footwork to get inside on him and "hope" to land a big punch to stun him and get him down . Thats the only thing I can think ofQuote:
Originally Posted by zY|
I have lost plenty of -400 bets. The Vera bet was so embarassing because I was up in everyone's face about how Vera was going to win. Touting it all over the internet like a damn fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke
LOL
Didn't you shut down your blog right after that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MMA_scientist
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Originally Posted by MMA_scientist
I did the samething with Lesnar vs Cain ..........fail
Nah. It wasn't a big hit to the bankroll, just wrong. I didn't shut down the blog until a few months ago actually. FWIW, the blog lasted a year, and the cleared 28u on a 50u bankroll. Too bad I didn't follow the bets I posted there.Quote:
Originally Posted by zY|
I also bet Vera against Jones. Not sure I really thought he was going to win, but the underdog odds looked good to me when I was vastly underestimating Jones's wrestling and overestimating Vera's.
I'm pissed at Sylvia, because if he was going to lose a fight at +500, it should have been the one against Meat Truck.
Too bad.