What about Brammer??? He is for sure going to be an underdog but I think he might take this. Any bets on where Luiz cane's line is going to be?
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What about Brammer??? He is for sure going to be an underdog but I think he might take this. Any bets on where Luiz cane's line is going to be?
I originally thought Rampage would win. But now I am leaning Rashad.
Rampage has better hands, IMO, but Rashad gets in trouble when he is pressed. Rampage does not have a forward pressing style. He likes to counter lately. Whenever there is built up hate, both guys tend to fight scared. It usually makes for a boring fight, because no one wants to lose (see Hughes/Serra and Kos/Daley).
I think Rashad can take him down and just out hustle him.
I thought the fight could probably go either way before Rashad's fight with Thiago Silva, but now I'm not so sure.
With Rampage's wrestling skills, I really don't see Rashad running the wrestling train on Rampage like he did on Silva, and I don't think that Rashad has the power to really hurt Rampage. If Rampage lands though, he can knock Rashad straight the fuck out, just like Machida did and like Silva almost did in the third.
I'll probably bet Rashad too .I think Rampage is on the downside of his career
No bet from me. If motivated, in shape Rampage comes in, Rashad shouldn't have much for him. If fat, out of shape Rampage shows up Rashad could beat him.
Rashad has power too. He has a couple of highlight reel KO's himself. I will agree that Rampage wins the battle of the chins though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPX
Still Rampage doesn't really change his gameplan up too much. Rashad seems like an intelligent fighter, he is going to do whatever he has to do to win the fight. Whereas Rampage is going to be looking for a knock out. Rashad also has kicks and wrestling to fall back on. Rampage used to have his slams, but it has been years since we have seen that. And even then, Rashad would outwrestle him.
I think Rashad can KO regular guys or guys with questionable chins, but Rampage has always had a very good chin, so I just don't see Rashad's power coming into play here. If Rashad wins via strikes, then it will be because he somehow outpointed page, which is possible if he uses his speeds and avoids Rampage's power shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMA_scientist
Diego is -230 right now...
Now that just might be worth a bet. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by poopoo333
I don't understand why all this money is coming in on Hathaway though.. hmmQuote:
Originally Posted by SPX
Honestly, even if fat out of shape Rampage comes in, I don't know if Rashad has the tools to beat him. Rampage has NEVER been outwrestled that I have ever seen, not even by Dan Henderson. He has the better striking, the much better chin, and I honestly believe he has the better counter wrestling here. How he uses his wrestling is the difference maker, if he stuffs takedowns all night He's going to put Rashad in a bad place, if he allows himself to get taken down and then tries to rely on his sweeps and scrambles he could end up in trouble. Though it'd be very hard for Rampage not to get motivated for this fight seeing as he hates Rashad so much.
As far as the build up fights being boring, I think the Koscheck/Daley was a bit out of context. I thought the reason Koscheck took it to the ground and played it safe was because he was fully aware of what was on the line. The title shot loomed over the octagon when they fought and I think he kept that in mind every single step of the way. I don't blame him for fighting to his strengths with a shot at GSP riding on him winning or losing that night. Serra/Hughes sucked though.
Side note, I'm not touching the Diego fight because there is something strange going on with the line on Hathaway, and I don't trust it one bit.
I wished I had grabbed more of Hathaway @ +330, makes for a nice arbitrage. ::thumbsup::
Same reasons we talked about, I suppose. Combine that with the fact that in Diego's last fight he took a brutal beating by the same man who just lost against Frankie Edgar and the puzzle comes together. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by poopoo333
Diego is down to -190. I am VERY close to pulling the trigger
Interesting situation we have on our hands here.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopoo333
LOL at Sports Interaction opening Diego at -588.
The conspiracy theorist in my head is going on about how something might be wrong with Diego. Decisions, decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPX
Well I agree with you on the wrestling front. Rampage is perennially underrated there. However, I think Rashad would've beat the Rampage that fought Jardine. I think this fight depends entirely on Rampage. If he just comes out headhunting and doesn't connect, then what? If he mixes it up like he's capable of he should win pretty handily.Quote:
Originally Posted by LudoCain
I'd see if it goes even lower if it's dropped that fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopoo333
You guys see any value in Brammer?? Im sure he will be an underdog
Went out and researched Hathaway. He is a jack of all trades type fighter. He doesn't have anything for Diego. Got taken down a lot by Story. Woudn't stand with Taylor.
Pull the trigger.
He is still -357 at some books. That's a good bet. Its probably competive standing, but Diego has every other advantage. Even standing, Diego probably has the advantage.
I will be on Diego for sure up to -250
If it is still there when BM opens it, I will be on it.
Pretty much my thoughts. He keeps saying how great a camp his having. Im either on Ramage, or nothing at all. I wanna see how he looks at the weigh ins.Quote:
Originally Posted by zY|
I've seen you ask about that guy before, but I really have no idea who he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManBoobKilla
I wouldn't take him as a slight dog, but maybe at +170 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManBoobKilla
He has only fought one decent opponent, Bocek, and he lost. Riley is pretty tough
Ya I asked earlier but everyone just ignored me lol. His last fight was a submission loss to Bocek But, he is fighting aaron riley is no Bocek. I heard Brammer is suppose to have good submission skills though. I was thinking he would be the dog based on him being so newQuote:
Originally Posted by SPX
I agree with Scientist that Aaron Riley is tough and a game opponent. Don't know shit about Brammer, but Riley is a solid mid-level guy.
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Originally Posted by ManBoobKilla
Riley has good submission defense. He has only been submitted twice in 41 fights. One of those was his second fight against Mario Roberto, a bjj bb. That Sam Morgan one is kind of inexcusable though.
Brammer may beat him, because I think Riley is worn out. But I doubt he will submit him.
Riley has good submission defense. He has only been submitted twice in 41 fights. One of those was his second fight against Mario Roberto, a bjj bb. That Sam Morgan one is kind of inexcusable though.
Brammer may beat him, because I think Riley is worn out. But I doubt he will submit him.[/quote]
Ya its kinda hard to call cause Brammer is so green and Riley like you said is "worn out" or at the end of his career. At least in the UFC I mean
5u on Diego @-190
Good luck. I might follow for 2u if I really feel like risking that much from my 5dimes account.
I will be on diego as well if he ever opens @ BM
I think you're selling Hathaway a bit short. I'm probably just arbing off the +250 avg that I have on Hath for 3U but I give him a real chance to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMA_scientist
Diego was nothing special and got chased out of the division once already. He was even 'in tough' against Clay Guida.
If Bisping's odds aren't ridiculous, I will be on him for a medium-big play. I am also looking at:
Luiz Cane: His stock may go down due to getting quickly KO'd at UFC 106, and people will be looking at this as a striker vs striker match. Cane is a BJJ black belt and can win on the ground.
Melvin Guillard: Close to even or a dog, I will take him. The line may be skewed due to Guillard doing things such as putting his head into Diaz's guillotine.
Don Hyung Kim: He is an aggressive grappler, and seems to be good and active from top control. Amir seems to be a good striker, but it was hard to tell against the New York Punching Bag how he would do against somebody that would press the action like Kim would. I think money will come in on Amir and give better odds on Kim.
I am also considering Rampage and Escudero. Anybody have thoughts on the Escudero/Dan Lauzon fight? I refuse to bet on Todd Duffee even though he will most likely win. It's hard to bet on a guy with an 8 second fight in the UFC.
I am gonna have to disagree that he wan't special @ ww. He was right there in the title picture. He got beat by Fitch, the #2 guy in the world, and Koscheck, the #4 or 5 guy in the world. Fitch beats everyone except GSP. Wins over Karo and Diaz are impressive, even today.Quote:
Originally Posted by southbaysurf
He came really close to finishing Guida in the first and was not in trouble in that fight at any point. Plus, Guida is good, there is no shame in a close fight with him. A win over Guida would be far and away Hathaway's best win. I personally think Diego is better suited to WW though.
Hathaway just doesn't have a base style, which is what i meant by the jack of all trades comment. He doesn't strike fear anywhere, he is just pretty good everywhere.
Diego can probably stand with him, but if not, he can take him down. I dare Hathaway to take Diego down. The only realistic out is to catch Diego standing. But only BJ has event hurt him standing. Even BJ didn't really finish him, he just got cut.
I like Escudero a lot in that, but he is -400 or so. I would take him @ -300 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopoo333
I'm thinking some money might eventually come in on D-Lo.
I think Escudero wins, but after being stopped by Dunham in his last fight, he really shouldn't be this much of a favorite. With that said, Lauzon loses to everyone anyone's ever heard of, except for Bobby Green.
DLau definately doesn't have Dunham's skills on the mat.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPX
He was also getting beat up pretty badly by Green in the first, IIRC
He was. He also won an Oscar. Best Actor for Nutshots.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMA_scientist
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Dana White Says The Winner of Rampage Jackson vs. Rashad Evans Will Get The First Shot at Mauricio Shogun Rua
::handshake::
^^^ That's sort of fucked since Rashad has only won one fight since getting KOd, but sure, I'll roll with it.
I wonder who Lyoto is going to fight next. They better not cock block him on the way back to the title and make him fight like 4 or 5 times.