Did not realize Elkins was out. How are Lullo's takedowns? That fight just went to bettable for me.
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Did not realize Elkins was out. How are Lullo's takedowns? That fight just went to bettable for me.
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Originally Posted by MMA_scientist
Why do you think Lentz will cause problems for Griffin? He doesn't seem to be that good to me. He couldn't get Winner down at all, in all his other fights he was taken down and rocked on the feet quite a bit. Tyson seems like he is much faster also.
Also every guy Lentz has fought has been a non wrestler except Emerson(high school). All of his fights have been close and his opponents have been havent faired well in the ufc. Tyson beat Duane Ludwig, Clay Guida, Thiago Tavares, Gleison Tibau, Marcus Aurelio, Rafael Dos anjos and Hermes Franca. His losses have been to better wrestlers, granted. But Nik Lentz doesn't seem to have that good of wrestling...I don't know. I know Gomi knocked him out but Lentz doesn't have that power.
Don't you think that Griffins quicker hands will make the difference?
Yeah, I think Griffin will win with leg kicks and strikes. I just think Lentz is tougher than he gets credit for, and he can grapple and clinch pretty well. I think Winner would outstrike Griffin, and he couldn't put Lentz away... I think Griffin will win each round, but Lentz will make it ugly the whole way. He just seems to have a way of making a fight ugly.
But Lentz makes fights ugly with guys he should be able to do that with. I seriously doubt he is able to just push Tyson up against the cage and hold him there, which is pretty much the only way I see him winning. Tyson is very hard to hold on to and control. He should really be able to pretty much easily beat Lentz IMO.
I was actually hoping that we get Griffin @ -170 or better.
I need to go back and watch some Lentz fights, but I'm thinking that Griffin should definitely be favored. Griffin is good all around and easily could have gotten the nod in the Sherk fight with a different set of judges. In fact, I see Griffin kind of like I see Florian - always sort of hovering right there around the title but never quite being able to reach it.
I am hoping Lentz's good record and Griffin's Dunham and Gomi fights are reflected in the lines. I think Griffin just freaked out in the Dunham fight(I still think he is close to Dunhams level) and got caught against Gomi.
I think Dunham would beat him again, but I do think that he would beat Gomi 3 fights out of 4.
The Dunham Griffin fight was actually pretty close. Remember that Dunham is a lot bigger than him too, taller at least. Lentz will be about his height.
Also a question for MMA Scientist, what exactly did you hear about BJ PENN's training? He really isn't taking this seriously?
When do you guys expect the rest of these lines to come out? I'm getting ancy.
It is not that I think he beats Dunham. But I do not think that fight would play out the same in a rematch. If Tyson came in with a different gameplan, I think he gives Dunham a much more competitive rematch. Just not giving up your back to get up would make it much closer. Tyson felt he could do that because it had worked for him so many times before.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPX
I think it might be a gut feeling that Scientist is having. I kinda have it myself. I still firmly believe as long as he just has an OK camp and comes in able to give 3 decent rounds in there, that he wins.
It probably has something to do with Gomi knocking him out cold.
I dunno. I saw an interview with BJ the other day where he was talking about being very motivated to get a big win before the end of the year. I don't think he wants to go 0-3 for 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbjj
But with BJ you really never know.
Yea, I saw it to. I hope so, i have 5 units on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPX
Matt Hughes is getting old. In an interview Hughes was talking about BJ and he said that he wanted a "Tired BJ PENN " on the ground. Maybe he is intimidated by BJ?? Bj handled him in the first fight and he was dominating in the second, until he gassed horrrrrribly. Hughes has probably lost a step since then too. Maybe he is hoping to get a tired BJ because he knows he isn't as good as a well trained BJ.
As far as BJ's training..he just fought back to back 5 rounders. He is only having about 3 months inbetween a fight. How long is his training camp? How many weeks? 6? 8? It can't be twelve, that would by crazy. He should have only had a month, two at most without training. He should still be in good shape. I'm not a fitness expert but that shouldn't be long enough to leave him that far out of fight shape.
Good points, Edman.
Anyone think last minute money comes in on Hughes? I like BJ in this one, but should've grabbed him as a dog. I'm hoping his line goes back down closer to fight time.
He says shit like that all the time. Fuck him. ::thumbdown::Quote:
Originally Posted by SPX
That said, I still want him to win. ::thumbup::
Maybe he always means it, too. Sometimes guys just aren't up to the challenge. If will alone won fights then we'd have a lot more winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by IWS Zak
Besides, the situation for BJ right now is kind of dire. He's only gone 0-2 once before in his life. I'm sure he feels the pressure.
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Originally Posted by SPX
He needs to get in a fuckin camp, where he can be pushed. Plain and simple. I hope he comes through.