UFC 113

[Mr. IWS]

Shogun via leg lock.

[poopoo333]

Shogun via leg lock.

If this happens, everyone needs to paypal me $5.

[zY|]

^^
Machida has a grappling win over world calibur Rafael Lovato Jr. Beating Lovato is like the equivalent of beating Maia in bjj. Its not Roger or Jacare, but its pretty damn close. Lovato is widely regarded as having the best guard in the world.

But it is more that I think the Machida has better takedowns and takedown defense, he has also show good top control. So I think he can get on top and stay there. Shogun is a good grappler too, but Machida has shown the ability in MMA and bjj to dominate positions and avoid the sub (and in MMA in America- incorrectly IMO- if you are on top, you are winning) My feeling is that if Machida can avoid being swept of subbed by Lovata, Shogun doesn't have anything for him.

Here's the match: http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....ail&gid=149392

Yeah I've seen it. It's very impressive, that's why I said he's a very underrated grappler. But this is MMA. Lovato was trying to sweep the whole time. Not get up and punch a hole in his head like Shogun will. Arona couldn't hold him down, neither could Rogerio. I just think Shogun is too fluid to be held down long by Machida. And Machida most certainly doesn't want to be on the bottom with Shogun on top. Shogun on top is bad news.

I agree that Machida has better takedowns and his takedown defense is phenomenal. He was the first fighter Shogun has ever fought that he failed to take down. It may not even hit the ground unless Machida wants it to. I just don't think he wants any of Shogun on the ground, as evidenced by the first fight.

That said, I really don't have a prediction in this fight. It's really just guesswork. It comes down to intangibles such as who has adapted their game up the best and who executes their gameplan.

[Thewiseman]

im on Shogun, .6u to win 1u, also, 2u @+180 that it goes the distance.

[Svino]

No way I am betting this fight though. It is impossible to predict a consistent winner.

A consistent winner? Probably not. But I'm plenty happy to take a coin-toss on a +160 guy.

[Ludo]

No way I am betting this fight though. It is impossible to predict a consistent winner.

A consistent winner? Probably not. But I'm plenty happy to take a coin-toss on a +160 guy.

My thoughts exactly, Svino. Shogun coming in as a dog the second time around has me all over him at +160.

[poopoo333]

adding 2 more units on Kos. 3u @-250, 2u @-240

[poopoo333]

"So if you’re a betting man, you better go to Vegas right now, and put money on Josh Koscheck because now that the guy has pissed me off, I can guarantee you that I’m gonna go in there and wrestle his ass down and rear naked choke him in round one. There you have it. I’ll probably beat him up a little bit before I choke him out, but in round one, he’s getting choked out. And that’s what he’s gonna have to sleep with over the next week – ‘How the hell am I gonna stop from getting taken down and put on my ass?’"

[poopoo333]

Line predictions on Yoshida/Guymon and Hague/Beltran?

[MMA_scientist]

Line predictions on Yoshida/Guymon and Hague/Beltran?

Yoshida -170 Guymon +120

Hague -200 Beltran +150

[SPX]

You know, with all these lines for other events going up you'd think they could get us the undercard lines for 113. . .

We're less than a week away, after all.

[Mr. IWS]

Hague -200 Beltran +150

I would probably get on Hague at that number.

[poopoo333]

Undercard lines are out. I really wish I had bookmaker. ugh

Hague's line is a gift right now.

[MMA_scientist]

Thanks for the heads up:

5u on Hendricks @ -350
4u on Hague @ -190
1u on Salter @ +160

[Thewiseman]

1.7u on Hague, and I really dont feel good about it. I dont like the odds on the rest. May do a parlay or two.

[poopoo333]

5dimes better get these damn odds soon! I want to get Hague, Lawlor, Yoshida, and Hendricks at reasonable prices.

[MMA_scientist]

1.7u on Hague, and I really dont feel good about it. I dont like the odds on the rest. May do a parlay or two.

Why? Hague should win easy IMO.

[Mr. IWS]

Ill probably be on Hague too.

[poopoo333]

Thanks for the heads up:

5u on Hendricks @ -350
4u on Hague @ -190
1u on Salter @ +160

Besides Salter, I think you are going to have a good night. (I say besides Salter because I don't know much about him)

[MMA_scientist]

Thanks for the heads up:

5u on Hendricks @ -350
4u on Hague @ -190
1u on Salter @ +160

Besides Salter, I think you are going to have a good night. (I say besides Salter because I don't know much about him)

Salter is a decorated submission grappler and a NAIA champion wrestler. This fight is going to be a grappling match. Although McDonald is probably better, based on his MMA grappling prowess, I don't think he is miles ahead of Salter who has won NAGA multiple times. Throw in the takedown advantage for Salter, and I think we have a favorable style matchup for Salter.

I wouldn't be suprised at all of Salter turns out to be the better grappler. And I really wouldn't be surprised to see Salter win a top control decision. Either way, I think it will be competitive.