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[MMA_scientist]

Luke, got another question for you.

From my boxing commenter:

"You have Bika vs Brinkley this weekend coming. Bika is listed as 1.57, i was curious what your mates prediction would be for this. I have Bika to beat Jesse."

Thoughts?

[MMA_scientist]

I guess I will also pose my Klitcko question here:

Vitali is -5000 (not -500, I said -5000)
The other guy is +2000

Seems kind of worth it to toss $10 on the dog. Does this guy have any chance at all?

[Luke]

Luke, got another question for you.

From my boxing commenter:

"You have Bika vs Brinkley this weekend coming. Bika is listed as 1.57, i was curious what your mates prediction would be for this. I have Bika to beat Jesse."

Thoughts?

This fight was off because Brinkley pulled out with an injury(he had the flu and was unable to train)

[Luke]

I guess I will also pose my Klitcko question here:

Vitali is -5000 (not -500, I said -5000)
The other guy is +2000

Seems kind of worth it to toss $10 on the dog. Does this guy have any chance at all?

Simple answer is no he doesnt stand a chance. Albert Sosnowski is probably the biggest bum Vitali has fought in 10 years. I give him about a 1% chance of winning so +2000 has no value imo.

For me this would be like putting Sims up against Fedor

[zY|]

How is he 45-2 then?

[Luke]

How is he 45-2 then?

Because the guys he's fought are bums. This isnt MMA where there are only 100 pro fighters per weight class ,in boxing there's probably close to 1000 pros per weight class so theres ALOT of bums out there just looking for a paycheck

[zY|]

How is he 45-2 then?

Because the guys he's fought are bums. This isnt MMA where there are only 100 pro fighters per weight class ,in boxing there's probably close to 1000 pros per weight class so theres ALOT of bums out there just looking for a paycheck

LOL fair enough.

[Luke]

LOL fair enough.

I mean I think Roy Jones is a bum and he's ranked 10th in his weight class .Thats means there's 990 guys worse than him .Can you imagine how bad the 999th ranked guy is?

[SPX]

I mean I think Roy Jones is a bum and he's ranked 10th in his weight class .Thats means there's 990 guys worse than him .Can you imagine how bad the 999th ranked guy is?

So are you only NOT a bum if you're the champ? Or in the top 5? Or the top 9?

I really have some issues with your use of the word "bum." When I think bum, I think some down on his luck fighter, probably alcoholic, who hasn't won a fight in years and is of course nowhere near the top 10.

[Luke]

When I think bum, I think some down on his luck fighter, probably alcoholic, who hasn't won a fight in years and is of course nowhere near the top 10.

you've watched Rocky too many times

[SPX]

you've watched Rocky too many times

You fail to address the point.

How is a fighter who is in the top 10--especially when he comes from a pool of 1,000 fighters (your number)--and bum? That really makes no sense to me.

[zY|]

LOL fair enough.

I mean I think Roy Jones is a bum and he's ranked 10th in his weight class .Thats means there's 990 guys worse than him .Can you imagine how bad the 999th ranked guy is?

You can chill on that Roy Jones bum shit right now.

That guy is my hero.

</MIke Goldberg>

[Luke]

How is a fighter who is in the top 10--especially when he comes from a pool of 1,000 fighters (your number)--and bum? That really makes no sense to me.

LOL why do guys even care what I call fighters? Are you on their payroll?

[SPX]

LOL why do guys even care what I call fighters? Are you on their payroll?

I just think it's retarded. I also think that considering you used to fight yourself that it's a little odd for you to speak so disparagingly of another fighter's skills. I mean, if RJJ--or Brandon Vera, for that matter--are bums, then what about the guys who are fighting in your local MMA org? Super bums?

Personally, I just think that fighters who are willing to go into the cage or the ring deserve respect. If you have to call someone a "bum" or a "can" then at least reserve it for those who truly are, like maybe Blake Bowman or Andy Wang.

[Mr. IWS]

Andy Wang.

Pump your breaks man.

[Mr. IWS]

I know what Luke is saying. I throw out the "Bum" or "Can" label all the time.

[Luke]

I know what Luke is saying. I throw out the "Bum" or "Can" label all the time.

[zY|]

LOL why do guys even care what I call fighters? Are you on their payroll?

I just think it's retarded. I also think that considering you used to fight yourself that it's a little odd for you to speak so disparagingly of another fighter's skills. I mean, if RJJ--or Brandon Vera, for that matter--are bums, then what about the guys who are fighting in your local MMA org? Super bums?

Personally, I just think that fighters who are willing to go into the cage or the ring deserve respect. If you have to call someone a "bum" or a "can" then at least reserve it for those who truly are, like maybe Blake Bowman or Andy Wang.

Oh cmon. Half of the HW top10 is strikeforce fighters and you think they're all bums.

[Luke]

. I mean, if RJJ--or Brandon Vera, for that matter--are bums, then what about the guys who are fighting in your local MMA org? Super bums?

Personally, I just think that fighters who are willing to go into the cage or the ring deserve respect. If you have to call someone a "bum" or a "can" then at least reserve it for those who truly are, like maybe Blake Bowman or Andy Wang.

I dont consider local fighters or guys of small org bums because they are fighting to the best of their abilities .I usually use the term bum for people way past their primes that are still fighting or fighter not fighting up to their talent level.I mean jesus look at Vera ,the guy has all the talent in the world but is completely wasting it by being a pussy and a tard.To me thats a bum not the local guy who busts his ass and does the best he can with what he has

[SPX]

I know what Luke is saying. I throw out the "Bum" or "Can" label all the time.

I almost never use either term, and if I do then you know that I'm REALLY making a statement about how I feel about a fighter's abilities.

In my book, you have:

Top Guys/The Elite (Penn, GSP, Silva, Fedor)
High-Level Guys (Melendez, Edgar, Fitch, Alves, Marquardt, Mir)
Mid-Level Guys (Matt Hamill, Ross Pearson, Alan Belcher, Amir Sadollah)
Solid Fighters (guys like Shannon Gugerty who come into the UFC, maybe get a win or maybe not, but get cut after a few fights)
Bums/Cans (Blake Bowman, Andy Wang, that dude that Herschel Walker fought)

If I call a guy a bum or a can, then he just needs to find another profession.