UFC 119 Sept 25th

[Mr. IWS]

When was the last time Mirko actually looked good and wrecked someone good on the feet? Barnett back in 2006?

Barry - Getting lit the fuck up until Barry fell apart
Peroush - Nigga please
JDS - He hung in there, ill give him that.
Al-Turk - Nigga please
Hong man - LOLSRSLY
Ubereem - who can blame him
Mizuno - what?
Kongo - he got beat down
Gonzaga - nuff said
Sanchez - nigga please
Barnett - He fuckin wrecked Barnett

I know im the resident Mir nuthugger, and Im probably not gonna bet the fight anyway, but I dont see Cro Cop having the chops to KO anyone above can status anymore. He hasnt proved that he can do it in over 4 years.

[Luke]

Cro cop didnt look bad against JDS,in fact he fought the best fight against him so far of anyone in the UFC. JDS would wreck Mir in under a round imo

I know he didnt beat him

[Mr. IWS]

Cro cop didnt look bad against JDS,in fact he fought the best fight against him so far of anyone in the UFC. JDS would wreck Mir in under a round imo

I know he didnt beat him

I feel you on that. Im just saying, it seems like everyone, not just at IWS, seem to think Cro Cop, and automatically assume he will LHK Mir's wig off. He hasnt done that shit in years. I mean, the best he looked the last couple years, was getting the shit beat out of him by JDS, but hanging in there. To me, thats not saying much.

[poopoo333]

Cro cop didnt look bad against JDS,in fact he fought the best fight against him so far of anyone in the UFC. JDS would wreck Mir in under a round imo

I know he didnt beat him

I feel you on that. Im just saying, it seems like everyone, not just at IWS, seem to think Cro Cop, and automatically assume he will LHK Mir's wig off. He hasnt done that shit in years. I mean, the best he looked the last couple years, was getting the shit beat out of him by JDS, but hanging in there. To me, thats not saying much.

I don't think he will LHK Mir's wig off. I just think he will win the striking and be able to avoid getting put on his back and held there.

[Mr. IWS]

I think this is one of those fights where, after Mir wins, it will be like; "Cro Cop is an old man, best days are long behind him, he is washed up." Kind of like Mir/Nog 1

Nog can cry all he wants about staff. He looked like shit against Herring and Sylvia, got exterminated by Mir, and continued to look like shit after.

[sbjj]

I am baffled as to why everyone thinks CC is just going to kick Mirs ass. Maybe you all see something I do not.

BTW, CC is already talking about how he will not be 100% for this fight, usually not a good sign when one fighter starts with the excuses before the fight happens.

[zY|]

Because it just seems like a style thing.

[MMA_scientist]

I think this is one of those fights where, after Mir wins, it will be like; "Cro Cop is an old man, best days are long behind him, he is washed up." Kind of like Mir/Nog 1

Nog can cry all he wants about staff. He looked like shit against Herring and Sylvia, got exterminated by Mir, and continued to look like shit after.

But Nog beat Randy right after.

[MMA_scientist]

sbjj, I am not saying CC will kill Mir. I am saying it is stylistically favorable to CC. He should be able to force a striking match with Mir, who has never shown great takedown skills. Maybe Mir beats him standing though.

I just think CC can keep it upright unless he gets dropped with strikes.

[Mr. IWS]

[quote=MMA_scientist]

I think this is one of those fights where, after Mir wins, it will be like; "Cro Cop is an old man, best days are long behind him, he is washed up." Kind of like Mir/Nog 1

Nog can cry all he wants about staff. He looked like shit against Herring and Sylvia, got exterminated by Mir, and continued to look like shit after.

But Nog beat Randy right after.[/quote:3oymww7t]

I was gonna put that in there, but beating a 46 year old glorified 205er doesnt score many points for him IMO.

[MMA_scientist]

I was gonna put that in there, but beating a 46 year old glorified 205er doesnt score many points for him IMO.

But Randy beat GG, Timmeh, and got a gift win against Vera.

So I am guessing you are on Toney?

[Mr. IWS]

So I am guessing you are on Toney?

Yup, I got 20 units on him.

[Luke]

[quote=MMA_scientist]

I was gonna put that in there, but beating a 46 year old glorified 205er doesnt score many points for him IMO.

But Randy beat GG, Timmeh, and got a gift win against Vera.

So I am guessing you are on Toney?[/quote:yisnwgap]



Toney +600 100 units

[Luke]

Cro cop didnt look bad against JDS,in fact he fought the best fight against him so far of anyone in the UFC. JDS would wreck Mir in under a round imo

I know he didnt beat him

I feel you on that. Im just saying, it seems like everyone, not just at IWS, seem to think Cro Cop, and automatically assume he will LHK Mir's wig off. He hasnt done that shit in years. I mean, the best he looked the last couple years, was getting the shit beat out of him by JDS, but hanging in there. To me, thats not saying much.

I'm only going to be on CC if the line is close to the NOG line(+280). If its a really low line I might bet Mir

[SPX]

I guess I'm a fence sitter for now, but I'm leaning more toward Zak's side. Cro Cop hasn't beat anyone of Mir's caliber in a long time. I don't think that Mir is at the very top of the HW ladder, but he's not more than a step below, either.

[poopoo333]

Cro cop didnt look bad against JDS,in fact he fought the best fight against him so far of anyone in the UFC. JDS would wreck Mir in under a round imo

I know he didnt beat him

I feel you on that. Im just saying, it seems like everyone, not just at IWS, seem to think Cro Cop, and automatically assume he will LHK Mir's wig off. He hasnt done that shit in years. I mean, the best he looked the last couple years, was getting the shit beat out of him by JDS, but hanging in there. To me, thats not saying much.

I'm only going to be on CC if the line is close to the NOG line(+280). If its a really low line I might bet Mir

Nog was like +190.

I am guessing the line will be similar though. Mir -260/ Cro Cop +200

[zY|]

I guess I'm a fence sitter for now, but I'm leaning more toward Zak's side. Cro Cop hasn't beat anyone of Mir's caliber in a long time. I don't think that Mir is at the very top of the HW ladder, but he's not more than a step below, either.

Agreed, but the thought of him outstriking Cro Cop just seems comical to me.

[sbjj]

I guess I'm a fence sitter for now, but I'm leaning more toward Zak's side. Cro Cop hasn't beat anyone of Mir's caliber in a long time. I don't think that Mir is at the very top of the HW ladder, but he's not more than a step below, either.

Agreed, but the thought of him outstriking Cro Cop just seems comical to me.

As did the thought of GG outstriking him before they fought. i just do not think CC has the goods anymore. he has a hard time pulling the trigger, and the snap is all but gone on his punches. He is pretty much an old worn out fighter IMO. CC was supposed to run right through both GG and Kongo, both of whom are probably a step below Mir.

[zY|]

I guess I'm a fence sitter for now, but I'm leaning more toward Zak's side. Cro Cop hasn't beat anyone of Mir's caliber in a long time. I don't think that Mir is at the very top of the HW ladder, but he's not more than a step below, either.

Agreed, but the thought of him outstriking Cro Cop just seems comical to me.

As did the thought of GG outstriking him before they fought. i just do not think CC has the goods anymore. he has a hard time pulling the trigger, and the snap is all but gone on his punches. He is pretty much an old worn out fighter IMO. CC was supposed to run right through both GG and Kongo, both of whom are probably a step below Mir.

I'd put GG basically on par with Mir. I see your point though.

[SPX]

I'd put GG basically on par with Mir. I see your point though.

Gonzaga never beats anyone good. Look at his record. Since the Mirko win,

he's beat: Justin McCully, Josh Hendrix, Chris Tuchsherer
he's lost to: Couture, Werdum, Carwin, JDS

The motherfucker is straight up one of the most overrated fighters ever.

Mir's last three wins are Kongo, Nog, and Lesnar.