Originally Posted by SPX
They're called youtube videos .They have been out for a while
They're called youtube videos .They have been out for a while
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They're called youtube videos .They have been out for a while
2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u
2012: +20.311u
Gilbert Yvel vs. Jon Madsen set for UFC 121
Full fight card :
MAIN CARD
•Champ Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez (for heavyweight title)
•Martin Kampmann vs. Jake Shields
•Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
•Matt Hamill vs. Tito Ortiz
•Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Brendan Schaub
PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
•Ryan Jensen vs. Court McGee
•Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor
PRELIMINARY CARD (un-aired)
•Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
•Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
•Chris Camozzi vs. Dongi Yang
•Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel
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I am going big on Cain.
As I have said, I think the wrestling is close... the difference between a d1 champion and a guy who placed 5th is very small... maybe even just the difference between a good day and a bad day. Throw in a cage at the edge of the mat, one guy just trying not to get taken down (not engaging in a takedown battle) and some strikes, and 8 years passage of time... and I think the wrestling is about even...
Then I stated looking closer after what someone on the grappling forum said. If Brock had been wrestling in 2006 when Cain was wrestling, he would not even have been champion. Mocco and Konrad were wrestling during this time period, and both, especially Mocco, are studs that would have beaten Brock IMO. I think Cain might even be a better pure wrestler than Brock, he might have been champion too if he wrestled when Brock did.
Cain has better hands. He is faster and he is not a millionaire. He has to be hungry and training like a psycho. He comes from a better camp with better partners. I am favoring Cain quite a bit now. I don't see that Brock has any advantage at all in this fight except size...
3u on Cain @ +135
2012: +19.33
2012 Parlay project: +16.5u
I am with you Scientist...BIG TIME.
This will be at least a 20 unit play for me. This is one of those 3 to 5 fights a year that I will hit very hard.
I also agree with you about the wrestling. Cain pretty much never stopped training wrestling. Brock on the other hand spent many years in the pro wrestling circuit not training. Brock wil be bigger, But Cain will be faster and more agile. Like I said earlier, I would not be surprised if Brock spent more time on his back in this contest.
It doesnt bother you Cain couldnt hold down Rothwell who isnt even close to the wrestler Lesnar is or the fact Kongo rocked Cain several times ?
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bump . Can we combine the two threads?
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I saw Cain hold down Rothwell better than anyone has ever held him down. And when Rothwell attempted to get up he was blasted in the face numerous times.
It doesnt bother you Cain could hold down Rothwell who isnt even close to the wrestler Lesnar is or the fact Kongo took down Cain ?
Brock had trouble holding Randy and Heath down, who IMO are probably easier to hold down than Ben. It sorta does not matter, as I do not see that as Cains path to victory, but it would not surprise me if Brock ended up on his back in the later rounds.
Kongo took Cain down? Are you talking about after getting hit in the face? I seem to remember 99% of that fight was Cain on top of Kongo.
^^^ yeah I meant Kongo rocking him
I just dont understand all the love for Cain .How do you guys that like Cain see this playing out?
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I actually think kongo did end up taking cain down....third round maybe
I dont remember I'd have to watch it . I remember having a huge bet on Cain in that fight and freaking out at the beginning of every round when Cain would get rocked
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Just read the play by play...kongo tried to take cain down twice but ended up getting his back taken instead.
He got him down in a scramble once and cain got right back up. Don't read to much into it, cain took him down repeatidly the entire fight.
1 unit = 300 $
Luke,
I think Cain will force a stand up fight and out box him, maybe stuf some shots and end up on top in a front headlock postition some. Maybe some scrambles, a few takedowns from Brock, but I don't think the size will make a difference. Cain has spent his adult life wrestling heavyweights. There are 2 types of HW wrestlers, and the smaller ones know how to deal with the bigger guys. If Cain gets down, I think he will be standing up before he hits the mat.
2012: +19.33
2012 Parlay project: +16.5u
Cain should win. I think he can finish Brock. He will wear him out.
1 unit = 300 $
I think I will probably be on Cheick Kongo also.
1 unit = 300 $
which is not on this ufc
1 unit = 300 $
srsly? 20u? I thought you were knocking UKdonkbet (via SPX) because he bet like 30u on a fight, what gives?
2012: +19.33
2012 Parlay project: +16.5u
BIG DIFFERENCE. 30 unit bet for a 5 unit payoff vs. 20 Unit bet for a 30 unit payoff. Once again, it is risk-reward.srsly? 20u? I thought you were knocking UKdonkbet (via SPX) because he bet like 30u on a fight, what gives?
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