UFN 23/Fight for the Troops

[sbjj]

By the time you are assured his holes are filled, you will be betting him at -400 or more. You THINK he has a huge hole because he has been subbed by Hague and Cop. The Cop sub was due to extreme pain and fatigue. the Hague tap was due to him just being plain green. I know for a fact he has been drilling both his wrestling and his BJJ hardcore. He is a much better and stronger wrestler than you guys think. Once again, do not be surprised when Beltran ends up on his back in this fight. I am very sure that beltran will not even give him problems in the wrestling department.

To each their own, bet beltran. But IMO Hague has a much better shot at the upset.

Keep in mind, it was not that long ago that Showtime was wrestle raped by Bart. Everyone thought Anthony had little chance against roller because of that fight. Young athletic fighters improve fast when they have the right coaching and training partners.

[poopoo333]

I think Barry will get it done as well, I just think @+200 Beltran may be worth a bet due to the ..well I guess now "supposed" holes in Barry's game. I am just going to stay away. Are you betting on Barry?

[sbjj]

I don't get the confidence in Barry. I have always said I think Beltran sucks. He is a brawler with middling skills everywhere. But Barry hasn't done anything at all. When he beats someone in the top 50, I will be interested. As it stands, he is 2-2 in the UFC after fighting 4 fairly shitty fighters. For as good as he is standing, he is one of the worst grapplers I have seen, period. I just don't bet favorites when they have giant gaping holes in their games.

He may come out and blast Beltran in 30 seconds, it could very well happen. But I think he either does it fast, or Beltran works his way into the fight. I am not going to bet it, but I think betting Barry is sort of crazy until we see his takedown defense a little more.

Didn't you think CroCop had a good shot against Mir. if barry would not have broke his hand and foot in the 1st round against CroCop. He would be -400 against Beltran.

[SPX]

His line has actually dropped on Bodog and Sportsbook.

I just officially took him for 3u at -225.

[sbjj]

I will bet Barry, just depends on his price in vegas. Would love to get him @ -200. just watch the Cro Cop fight again. Barry was doing to Cop what basically JDS could not do. He made him look damn silly, and just shrugged off any attempt at a clinch.

It just boggles my mind that anyone would look at this fight, and come to the conclusion that Barry's wrestling sucks. He just basically threw in the towel from complete pain and exhaustion.

[Mr. IWS]

It just boggles my mind that anyone would look at this fight, and come to the conclusion that Barry's wrestling sucks.

LMAO! What has Barry ever done in MMA that would warrant a different opinion?

[sbjj]

LMAO! What has Barry ever done in MMA that would warrant a different opinion?

Did GSP's wrestling suck after Hughes submitted him?

[poopoo333]

His line has actually dropped on Bodog and Sportsbook.

I just officially took him for 3u at -225.

Yeah, that's around where I will bet him as well. I think it's one of the best bets on the card imo, the only thing that has me worried is that EVERYBODY on other forums is saying Guillard is going to win. But then again, other forums are full of idiots.

[Mr. IWS]

Did GSP's wrestling suck after Hughes submitted him?

Are we talking about GSP or Pat Barry's wrestling?

[sbjj]

It really is easy to just blindly look at the CroCop fight and come to the conclusion that barry's wrestling sucks. Zak, things happen in fights that have effects on the outcomes. if you just look at fights on paper, you are making a mistake.

[sbjj]

I am talking about them both. plenty of simpletons thought GSP was sub prone after that fight. just like plenty of them think Barry's wrestling sucks because of the CroCop fight.

[SPX]

if you just look at fights on paper, you are making a mistake.

I looked at it on video.

[Mr. IWS]

It really is easy to just blindly look at the CroCop fight and come to the conclusion that barry's wrestling sucks. Zak, things happen in fights that have effects on the outcomes. if you just look at fights on paper, you are making a mistake.

I'm not just looking at the CroCop fight. Im looking at the body of work that he has over his time in the UFC. I'm not even betting the fight, but your acting like its offensive to think Beltran can take Barry down.

[poopoo333]

I am talking about them both. plenty of simpletons thought GSP was sub prone after that fight. just like plenty of them think Barry's wrestling sucks because of the CroCop fight.

Actually we kind of established that Barry was not taken down in the Cro Cop fight like 30 minutes ago, but ended up there by a slip in round 2 and was dropped in round 3.

[SPX]

Yeah, that's around where I will bet him as well. I think it's one of the best bets on the card imo, the only thing that has me worried is that EVERYBODY on other forums is saying Guillard is going to win. But then again, other forums are full of idiots.

I almost bet him before, but I wanted better than -233 and lately I've tried to be more disciplined about only betting when I think the line holds value. Like I said before, breaking that rule has cost me a lot of money lately.

I think Dunham SHOULD be better everywhere except, perhaps, in terms of technical boxing. But I think--am hoping--that he won't let this become a kickboxing match and will just go in, sub Guillard, and get it over with.

[sbjj]

So if CroCop did not take him down. Where is the evidence his wrestling sucks? because he was subbed by hague after hurting him and rushing in after him?

Forget it, this whole conversation will be forgotten after beltran gets toasted, and I'll just have to move on to the next one.

[Mr. IWS]

So if CroCop did not take him down. Where is the evidence his wrestling sucks? because he was subbed by hague after hurting him and rushing in after him?

Forget it, this whole conversation will be forgotten after beltran gets toasted, and I'll just have to move on to the next one.

LOL, why you mad?

I hope Beltran does get wrecked. I'm a big Barry fan, and I can't stand Beltran.

[sbjj]

I'm not just looking at the CroCop fight. Im looking at the body of work that he has over his time in the UFC. I'm not even betting the fight, but your acting like its offensive to think Beltran can take Barry down.

I personally am VERY confident that Beltran will not hold down Barry for more than a split second. I will be surprised if they clinch, if Beltran does not end up on his ass. Barry is gonna showcase how strong a wrestler he has become, if Beltran even attempts to clinch.

People will be amazed at his improvement after this fight. Some will probably think it was just luck.

[poopoo333]

LOL Y U MAD THOU?


but yeah, I just looked back and didn't see anybody flat out say "LOL PAT BARRY'S WRESTLING SUCKS!!!!11!!" , it was more like "Beltran could take Barry down". Beltran took Mitrione down in round 1 of their fight and kept him there as well...this is what makes me think Beltran has a shot at dictating where the fight takes place. But I am with Zak, I hope Barry smashes Beltran.

[poopoo333]

Am I retarded for thinking Mckenzie may be worth a bet @+215?