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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewisemann View Post
    Remember, this is at the palms so the cage will be smaller than normal, and I can easily see Guida taking a couple rounds by smothering Pettis.
    Why would the cage be smaller?
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    honestly i think pettis might win this the more that i think about it. Guida is on a 3 fight win streak but Guggerty isn't that great as far as i know and dos anjos was doing really well against him up until the jaw injury ( i know he won the fight but sherdog and junkie gave both rounds 1 and 2 to dos anjos). Florian picked him apart by having superior striking + decent takedown defense. Pettis should be the better striker in this and he seems to have pretty decent takedown defense. I honestly don't know who wins this one.

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    I think Pettis will mix it up with takedowns of his own as well.

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    Yes, it is a smaller cage

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    who knows but I cant see betting anything on this. I dont think guida will knock out pettis, he probably wont submit him but that wouldnt shock me because he was been working his ground game a lot. pettis wont knock out guida but he could submit him. Either one could get submitted, or it could go the distance. Tough to say, i guess guida could relentlessy push for the takedown and get it but I am not confident in it.

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    I see Guida's chances at submitting Pettis at nothing more than 5%.
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    I was watching Maia/Grove the other day, Rogan stated the cage was smaller there.

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    For the Guida by decision backers, go get it on 5 dimes... +247

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    What does everyone like bet-wise for this card. There will be some more lines after the season is complete on Wednesday. We are probably looking at Ramsey vs. Ferguson for the TUF finale, then a few other lines for matchups.

    As for the announced fights, I like Grispi to around -250 to beat Roop. i am also interested in Duran, who nearly upset Mizugaki when I bet on Miz to beat him. I am mildly interested in Jorgenson over Stone and Stephens over Downes. Guida/Pettis is too hard to call for me. I don't know enough about Maldonado, but it is hard to bet against a guy who has losses to "unknown fighter" on his record. I think Hermann/Credeur could go either way, I would consider either man as a significant dog.

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    The only thing Im leaning towards is Guida for now.
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    The only one I will probably be on so far is Grispi. I don't think Roop is very good.

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    I've already got dat cash on Pettis.

    We'll see what Grispi comes in at. I think -250 is too high. I was more thinking -170 tops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edman5555 View Post
    The only one I will probably be on so far is Grispi. I don't think Roop is very good.
    I don't either, he is tough, but I don't see any advantage for him in this fight. I am hoping Grispi's line is down because of his poor showing in his last fight. But he will probably be too pricey for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPX View Post
    I've already got dat cash on Pettis.

    We'll see what Grispi comes in at. I think -250 is too high. I was more thinking -170 tops.
    How can Roop win? I don't see any path to victory for him. I am terrible at guessing opening lines, but I think he will be right in that are, -200 to -250. Grispi was on the fast track to a title shot until his most recent outing. I mean, he beat Hominick decisively not long ago.
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    the line on grispi will probably suck though. I am pretty much expecting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMA_scientist View Post
    How can Roop win? I don't see any path to victory for him. I am terrible at guessing opening lines, but I think he will be right in that are, -200 to -250. Grispi was on the fast track to a title shot until his most recent outing. I mean, he beat Hominick decisively not long ago.
    Grispi looked like shit in his last fight. Roop showed some pretty decent takedowns and wrestling against Garcia and straight knocked Zombie the fuck out.

    Truthfully, Grispi has never looked super impressive to me. Every time he wins it seems kind of flukey. He strikes me as a bit of a one-trick pony with those guillotines . . . what if he can't get it? I don't know. I just wouldn't feel confident taking him at a high line when he was a big favorite to win his last fight and ended up getting totally owned.

    I actually see some similarities with Hathaway. Hathaway streamrolled through a lot of very good guys, then loses convincingly to Mike Pyle, and then in his next fight he BARELY squeaks by against Kris McCray. In fact, I think McCray probably won that fight.
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    Mccray is a big strong wrestler that sticks and clings. Hathaway is a brit that isn't that good at wrestling. It actually makes sense that he lost. That said I had money on Hathaway because I bought the hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMA_scientist View Post
    What does everyone like bet-wise for this card. There will be some more lines after the season is complete on Wednesday. We are probably looking at Ramsey vs. Ferguson for the TUF finale, then a few other lines for matchups.

    As for the announced fights, I like Grispi to around -250 to beat Roop. i am also interested in Duran, who nearly upset Mizugaki when I bet on Miz to beat him. I am mildly interested in Jorgenson over Stone and Stephens over Downes. Guida/Pettis is too hard to call for me. I don't know enough about Maldonado, but it is hard to bet against a guy who has losses to "unknown fighter" on his record. I think Hermann/Credeur could go either way, I would consider either man as a significant dog.

    What are y'all looking at?
    I stopped watching TUF after around 4 episodes. I will probably watch them all like I did last season so I can decide on some potential bets. I don't know too much about Stone, but I will probably parlay Jorgensen and Grispi because the lines will more than likely suck, and I was thinking about Duran as well but I have to see more of Rivera. I think Kingsbury will use the power of Victor Conte and really grind Maldonado out. Betting on Herman/Credeur seems tricky, they have both been out of it since I was like 5 years old.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPX View Post
    Grispi looked like shit in his last fight. Roop showed some pretty decent takedowns and wrestling against Garcia and straight knocked Zombie the fuck out.
    Meh, I don't see how this stuff really pertains to Grispi vs Roop. He showed decent TDs against Garcia and landed a perfect head kick against a smaller guy standing on the outside basically just walking forward with his hands down... this fight will be totally different than them two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poopoo333 View Post
    Meh, I don't see how this stuff really pertains to Grispi vs Roop. He showed decent TDs against Garcia and landed a perfect head kick against a smaller guy standing on the outside basically just walking forward with his hands down... this fight will be totally different than them two.
    My point is simply that Roop is not without tools.

    Also, Roop is bigger than EVERYONE at 145 lbs. He's a fucking giant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edman5555 View Post
    Mccray is a big strong wrestler that sticks and clings. Hathaway is a brit that isn't that good at wrestling. It actually makes sense that he lost.
    So McCray's a big strong wrestler . . . and Rick Story's not?

    Quote Originally Posted by edman5555 View Post
    That said I had money on Hathaway because I bought the hype.
    Me too. And going into the decision I was pretty worried I was about to lose the shit.
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