I am another one in the camp that Overeem outstrikes JDS. I don't get why everyone thinks JDS has better striking. He has knocked out a shitload of non strikers. Overeem is the K1 champion. This is by far the best striker he has ever faced in competition in his entire life. By the way, the JDS being a brazilian kickboxing champion is pretty much bullshit as far as I am concerned.
Bullshit in the sense that you don't think it's true or bullshit in that it doesn't matter?
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Doesn't matter imo
I know I heard a RUMOR that JDS said he was never a kickboxer. But he's listed as being one with an 18-0 record in a number of places. So I have no idea what the truth is.
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So anyways, moving on from a potential match up of JDS/Reem...
What are you guys thinking about Cain/JDS II? It's obvious Cain deserves respect in this fight and the books know it. For a guy that was KO'd in under a minute only being +125 in the rematch a year later...it is obvious this fight has a lot of potential to be a completely different fight this time. I bet on Cain last time, and I will bet on him again this time.
I have no idea how this fight is going to go. I'll probably stay away, just like I did last time. I hope JDS wins, though.
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I might play JDS for a little bit. I just think he's too good at controlling distance for Cain to really get inside. Cain has tremendous hand speed but JDS had no trouble at all slipping and countering his shots last time. I have to believe that much is going to be the same as last time. The difference is I expect this fight to go longer than 64 seconds this time. I do think eventually JDS finds that chin again and starts unloading on it. Cain can take a shot, but JDS is just too clean and too accurate.
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Bullshit in the sense that he was never a kickboxer.
Sorry, you didn't respond quick enough for me to care anymore.
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JDS also beat the shit out of Cro Cop and Carwin. And while Overeem is the K-1 Champion, the last heavyweight striker who was ever worth half a shit that Overeem beat was probably Gary Goodridge or maybe Sergei Kharitonov.Originally Posted by edman5555
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What about Spong? He's a legit kickboxer.
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He is referring to MMA fights.
Then why mention K-1?
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Carwins striking is pretty rudimentary though isn't it? He is no technician, he is just big and strong as hell. That said, jds wrecked him. Cro cop is a good win but he loses to everyone now. Maybe I am wrong about this but I think overeem should be much better.
I did think the same thing about holloway and lawrence and we see how that worked out. Badly. That said, I will be on overeem if he is a dog. If this fight even happens.
I mentioned K-1 because Edman mentioned K-1. Though it doesn't quite apply here because:
1) The rules are different.
2) The gloves are larger in K-1, and aid in defense for that reason which artificially enhances one's ability to cover up with them.
3) fighters can't do alot of what they can do in K-1 in MMA because of takedowns and clinching being allowed and whatnot.
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That is all true but overeem has been in mma a while. I think he can make his kickboxing work in mma.
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