2013 Off Topic Thread

[MMA_scientist]

I do think MMA is totally different than just wrestling, just judo, just jiu jitsu, or even a combination of any or all of those at the same time. There's just the added element of being punched/elbowed in the face that complicates everything. Not to mention you have to more or less be a total work horse to win a round from bottom position.

It has its own rules and scoring and that has an effect on how participants grapple. Strikes obviously change things, but the absence of other techniques (up kicks, knees to a down opponent) definitely reduce the incentive to be in certain positions. 5 minute rounds. Scoring. It all matters.

I really think the training and focus of wrestling is the key. Wrestlers are thrown to the wolves from day 1. There are no white belt divisions. In practice, guys don't take it easy on beginners, they just beat the shit out them. It is competition focused. The attrition rate is absurd, but the survivors usually make a pretty strong competition team. BJJ is more focused on inclusion and teaching, it is not solely focused on competition. And that is pretty much the entire difference IMO.

[Ludo]

It has its own rules and scoring and that has an effect on how participants grapple. Strikes obviously change things, but the absence of other techniques (up kicks, knees to a down opponent) definitely reduce the incentive to be in certain positions. 5 minute rounds. Scoring. It all matters.

I really think the training and focus of wrestling is the key. Wrestlers are thrown to the wolves from day 1. There are no white belt divisions. In practice, guys don't take it easy on beginners, they just beat the shit out them. It is competition focused. The attrition rate is absurd, but the survivors usually make a pretty strong competition team. BJJ is more focused on inclusion and teaching, it is not solely focused on competition. And that is pretty much the entire difference IMO.

Yeah, Wrestling definitely has the mental toughness aspect drilled into these guys from jump street. I think that's honestly why some straight up jiu jitsu guys find difficulty in MMA, the concept of time management is foreign to someone who would normally train for and compete in competitions with open time limits, or at least rounds that allow more than 5 minutes to work. That and they are often a little too complacent to be on the bottom. As I understand it jiu jitsu at it's core is a game of patience and calculated movements, which doesn't necessarily translate well to a timed format. Waiting for the opponent to make a mistake positionally and then taking advantage of that, which can take more than five minutes depending on the skill level of the two competitors both overall and in relation to one another.

[SPX]

Okay, I mean seriously. . . Is this real life? I mean, really . . . is it in fact real life?

"Russia wants Steven Seagal to be face of weapons industry"

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-wants-s...135649908.html

[MMA_scientist]

Well, JJ matches are only 10 minutes at BB. I actually think the high level competition guys have as much or more success in MMA than their wrestling counterparts. It is just that there aren't as many of them. There are tons of super awesome wrestlers that never made it in MMA. MMA is a whole different thing. Many of the guys that we consider "wrestlers" in MMA weren't that great in pure wrestling. Rashad is a great example, he was an average (at best) wrestler in college. Hughes was better, but not even close to world class. It is just a different skill set in MMA. It is the same way in BJJ, some of the world class guys aren't great fighters, and there are a lot of guys that were decent but nothing special and they are great fighters.

[poopoo333]

[MMA_scientist]

^ pretty good I guess.

I would be more impressed if you were white. Obvious genetic advantage.

[Mr. IWS]

Okay, I mean seriously. . . Is this real life? I mean, really . . . is it in fact real life?

"Russia wants Steven Seagal to be face of weapons industry"

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-wants-s...135649908.html

I think we can put the Seagal/JCVD debate to bed now.

Seagal:

Better action star
Trains the best MMA fighter in the world
Wears two watches
Runs Russia

/discussion

[MMA_scientist]

I think we can put the Seagal/JCVD debate to bed now.

Seagal:

Better action star
Trains the best MMA fighter in the world
Wears two watches
Runs Russia

/discussion

that definitely settles it (it was already settled to everyone except SPX anyway, but even he can't deny the logic of your argument)

[SPX]

Fuck. That. Shit!

I'm not sure how people keep getting duped by ol' Conman Seagal but he is--and always will be--inferior to Van Damme. And it's up to people like myself with the eyes to see what's going on to continue to evangelize in the name of truth. Steven Seagal is a faggoty faggot.

How about this. Jean-Claude Van Damme:

Star of Bloodsport, Kickboxer and Double Impact
Hero to Crocop and Fedor
Can do helicopter kicks
Skips important meetings to save dogs around the world (true story)
Challenged Seagal at Stallone's house and Seagal wanted none of it

[MMA_scientist]

Does he wear two watches?

I want you to reflect before you respond.

[SPX]

Hold up, I'm asking the questions here. . .

Have you ever seen Seagal do THIS:

[MMA_scientist]

Excellent point- Seagal has never posed for a gay magazine with 2 lion cubs... another point for Seagal.

[SPX]

Dude, Seagal gays up everything he comes in contact with just by his very nature.

Marked for Death, Above the Law, Out for Justice, Under Siege . . . Gay
Anderson Silva . . . Gay
Buddhism . . . Gay
Russia . . . Gay

[MMA_scientist]

I mean... he's gay. It is obvious.

[Luke]

^^looks like he wanted to do Fedor right then in the middle of the ring (insert poopoo quote)

[SPX]

What's wrong with being gay?

[Mr. IWS]

Fuck. That. Shit!

search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[MMA_scientist]

What's wrong with being gay?

JCVD is overtly flaming.



Im not even just gay bashing him, I mean, he is actually and literally a homo-sexual person. I don't mean it as an insult.

[SPX]

What I know to be true is that Van Damme got a call from Stallone to be in the Expendables. Seagal didn't shit. Because Stallone knows Seagal is a faggot.

[Mr. IWS]

JCVD is overtly flaming.



Im not even just gay bashing him, I mean, he is actually and literally a homo-sexual person. I don't mean it as an insult.

That leotard tho! LOL