TUF 17 Finale

[SPX]

Anyone else thinking Browne's good for it at -250?

[Luke]

Anyone else thinking Browne's good for it at -250?

I dont like betting HW's at high lines, but I dont see how Gonzaga wins

[SPX]

Me either, really. Gonzaga hasn't looked good in forever and before the choke the fight with Rothwell was anybody's game. Browne's maybe top 10, definitely top 15, in the division.

[Thewisemann]

Browne will probably win but Gonzaga definitely has a path to victory.

[SPX]

How exactly do you see that happening?

[BIGDAY]

News Flash...

I'm Pa Pa POUNDING Hall. Took the opener at -300 and threw him in just about every open parlay I have. Plus took what I could strait.

Kelvin might get him down a couple times but I see him doing very limited damage. Not entirely impressed with Kelvin's ground game or his opponents he's been up against in the TUF series. I think Hall easily out points the dec or gets the stoppage. Just my thoughts.

Best of lucks fellas.

[Ludo]

The only thing that has Me hesitant to take Hall at the current odds is that when Hall got taken down he didn't look very comfortable at all prior to the sweep. His defense wasn't very It seems like Kelvin has been under estimated every step of the way in this season and every time he gets into the cage he seems to do what nobody thought he could/would do. Kelvin is much stronger wrestler than Dylan was/is.

[poopoo333]

We know Kelvin's gameplan:

"He's a striker. My strength is in the ground game. That's his weakness. He's not bad at it, but still, it's my strong point. His is striking. It's kind of an original matchup: striker vs. grappler."

Hopefully he doesn't pull a Dylan Andrews and stand in front of Hall for 7-8 minutes without doing anything before going for a TD.

[edman5555]

Pull guard and go for toe holds?

[Thewisemann]

Gonzaga can definitely win if he can get the td. Idk if he can, but its not like his tds are terrible. He could get the KO also. Browne is much more athletic and should win. I think Gonzaga wiill gas then get kod. But im betting Gonzaga small.

[poopoo333]

Sat 4/13		1303 Browne/Gonzaga goes 3 round distance		+180
9:30PM		1304 Fight won't go 3 round distance		-260

Sat 4/13		1329 Browne wins by TKO/KO		+138
9:30PM		1330 Any other result		-178

[poopoo333]

Scott Jorgensen vs Urijah Faber - 5 rounds - The Ultimate Fighter 17 Finale propositions
Sat 4/13		1003 Jorgensen/Faber goes 5 round distance		+100
11:00PM		1004 Fight won't go 5 round distance		-140
Sat 4/13		1005 Jorgensen wins inside distance		+592
11:00PM		1006 Not Jorgensen inside distance		-1175
Sat 4/13		1007 Jorgensen wins by 5 round decision		+675
11:00PM		1008 Not Jorgensen by 5 round decision		-1425
Sat 4/13		1009 Faber wins inside distance		+105
11:00PM		1010 Not Faber inside distance		-145
Sat 4/13		1011 Faber wins by 5 round decision		+156
11:00PM		1012 Not Faber by 5 round decision		-197
Sat 4/13		1013 Jorgensen/Faber draw		+10000
11:00PM		1014 Fight not a draw		-30000
Sat 4/13		1015 Jorgensen wins in round 1		+1200
11:00PM		1016 Any other result		-2600
Sat 4/13		1017 Jorgensen wins in round 2		+2300
11:00PM		1018 Any other result		-6900
Sat 4/13		1019 Jorgensen wins in round 3		+3000
11:00PM		1020 Any other result		-11000
Sat 4/13		1021 Jorgensen wins in round 4		+4000
11:00PM		1022 Any other result		-16000
Sat 4/13		1023 Jorgensen wins in round 5		+6000
11:00PM		1024 Any other result		-24000
Sat 4/13		1025 Faber wins in round 1		+380
11:00PM		1026 Any other result		-570
Sat 4/13		1027 Faber wins in round 2		+625
11:00PM		1028 Any other result		-1275
Sat 4/13		1029 Faber wins in round 3		+790
11:00PM		1030 Any other result		-1660
Sat 4/13		1031 Faber wins in round 4		+950
11:00PM		1032 Any other result		-1950
Sat 4/13		1033 Faber wins in round 5		+1450
11:00PM		1034 Any other result		-4050
Sat 4/13		1035 Jorgensen wins by submission		+1200
11:00PM		1036 Any other result		-2600
Sat 4/13		1037 Jorgensen wins by TKO/KO		+1167
11:00PM		1038 Any other result		-2500
Sat 4/13		1039 Faber wins by submission		+156
11:00PM		1040 Any other result		-197
Sat 4/13		1041 Faber wins by TKO/KO		+700
11:00PM		1042 Any other result		-1500
Sat 4/13		1043 Jorgensen wins by 5 rnd unanimous dec.		+1230
11:00PM		1044 Any other result		-2690
Sat 4/13		1045 Jorgensen wins by 5 rnd split/maj dec.		+1400
11:00PM		1046 Any other result		-3600
Sat 4/13		1047 Faber wins by 5 rnd unanimous dec.		+207
11:00PM		1048 Any other result		-287
Sat 4/13		1049 Faber wins by 5 rnd split/majority dec.		+800
11:00PM		1050 Any other result		-1700
Sat 4/13		1051 Jorgensen/Faber starts round 5		-118
11:00PM		1052 Fight won't start round 5		-122
Sat 4/13		1053 Jorgensen/Faber starts round 4		-153
11:00PM		1054 Fight won't start round 4		+113
Sat 4/13		1055 Jorgensen/Faber starts round 3		-220
11:00PM		1056 Fight won't start round 3		+166
Sat 4/13		1057 Jorgensen/Faber starts round 2		-407
11:00PM		1058 Fight won't start round 2		+287
any victory inside distance is a winner for selected fighter, see sportsbook rules for grading details
Sat 4/13		1059 Jorgensen points handicap	+9½ +120
11:00PM		1060 Faber points handicap	-9½ -150
Uriah Hall vs Kelvin Gastelum - 3 rounds - The Ultimate Fighter 17 Finale propositions
Sat 4/13		1103 Hall/Gastelum goes 3 round distance		+200
10:30PM		1104 Fight won't go 3 round distance		-280
Sat 4/13		1105 Hall wins inside distance		-153
10:30PM		1106 Not Hall inside distance		+113
Sat 4/13		1107 Hall wins by 3 round decision		+330
10:30PM		1108 Not Hall by 3 round decision		-490
Sat 4/13		1109 Gastelum wins inside distance		+471
10:30PM		1110 Not Gastelum inside distance		-812
Sat 4/13		1111 Gastelum wins by 3 round decision		+650
10:30PM		1112 Not Gastelum by 3 round decision		-1350
Sat 4/13		1113 Hall/Gastelum draw		+8000
10:30PM		1114 Fight not a draw		-21500
Sat 4/13		1115 Hall wins in round 1		+185
10:30PM		1116 Any other result		-265
Sat 4/13		1117 Hall wins in round 2		+345
10:30PM		1118 Any other result		-515
Sat 4/13		1119 Hall wins in round 3		+800
10:30PM		1120 Any other result		-1700
Sat 4/13		1121 Gastelum wins in round 1		+750
10:30PM		1122 Any other result		-1580
Sat 4/13		1123 Gastelum wins in round 2		+1400
10:30PM		1124 Any other result		-3600
Sat 4/13		1125 Gastelum wins in round 3		+2700
10:30PM		1126 Any other result		-8900
Sat 4/13		1127 Hall wins by submission		+400
10:30PM		1128 Any other result		-600
Sat 4/13		1129 Hall wins by TKO/KO		+127
10:30PM		1130 Any other result		-167
Sat 4/13		1131 Gastelum wins by submission		+747
10:30PM		1132 Any other result		-1577
Sat 4/13		1133 Gastelum wins by TKO/KO		+1100
10:30PM		1134 Any other result		-2300
Sat 4/13		1135 Hall/Gastelum starts round 3		+139
10:30PM		1136 Fight won't start round 3		-179
Sat 4/13		1137 Hall/Gastelum starts round 2		-179
10:30PM		1138 Fight won't start round 2		+139
any victory inside distance is a winner for selected fighter, see sportsbook rules for grading details
Sat 4/13		1139 Hall points handicap	-3½ -215
10:30PM		1140 Gastelum points handicap	+3½ +170
Cat Zingano vs Miesha Tate - 3 rounds - The Ultimate Fighter 17 Finale propositions
Sat 4/13		1203 Zingano/Tate goes 3 round distance		-195
10:00PM		1204 Fight won't go 3 round distance		+155
Sat 4/13		1205 Zingano wins inside distance		+333
10:00PM		1206 Not Zingano inside distance		-497
Sat 4/13		1207 Zingano wins by 3 round decision		+168
10:00PM		1208 Not Zingano by 3 round decision		-225
Sat 4/13		1209 Tate wins inside distance		+390
10:00PM		1210 Not Tate inside distance		-590
Sat 4/13		1211 Tate wins by 3 round decision		+202
10:00PM		1212 Not Tate by 3 round decision		-282
Sat 4/13		1213 Zingano/Tate draw		+7000
10:00PM		1214 Fight not a draw		-18500
Sat 4/13		1215 Zingano wins in round 1		+525
10:00PM		1216 Any other result		-975
Sat 4/13		1217 Zingano wins in round 2		+1050
10:00PM		1218 Any other result		-2150
Sat 4/13		1219 Zingano wins in round 3		+1900
10:00PM		1220 Any other result		-5700
Sat 4/13		1221 Tate wins in round 1		+610
10:00PM		1222 Any other result		-1230
Sat 4/13		1223 Tate wins in round 2		+1200
10:00PM		1224 Any other result		-2600
Sat 4/13		1225 Tate wins in round 3		+2300
10:00PM		1226 Any other result		-6900
Sat 4/13		1227 Zingano wins by submission		+585
10:00PM		1228 Any other result		-1155
Sat 4/13		1229 Zingano wins by TKO/KO		+650
10:00PM		1230 Any other result		-1350
Sat 4/13		1231 Tate wins by submission		+519
10:00PM		1232 Any other result		-955
Sat 4/13		1233 Tate wins by TKO/KO		+1200
10:00PM		1234 Any other result		-2600
Sat 4/13		1235 Zingano/Tate starts round 3		-242
10:00PM		1236 Fight won't start round 3		+174
Sat 4/13		1237 Zingano/Tate starts round 2		-424
10:00PM		1238 Fight won't start round 2		+304
any victory inside distance is a winner for selected fighter, see sportsbook rules for grading details
Sat 4/13		1239 Zingano points handicap	-3½ +190
10:00PM		1240 Tate points handicap	+3½ -250
Travis Browne vs Gabriel Gonzaga - 3 rounds - The Ultimate Fighter 17 Finale propositions
Sat 4/13		1303 Browne/Gonzaga goes 3 round distance		+180
9:30PM		1304 Fight won't go 3 round distance		-260
Sat 4/13		1305 Browne wins inside distance		-115
9:30PM		1306 Not Browne inside distance		-125
Sat 4/13		1307 Browne wins by 3 round decision		+257
9:30PM		1308 Not Browne by 3 round decision		-370
Sat 4/13		1309 Gonzaga wins inside distance		+325
9:30PM		1310 Not Gonzaga inside distance		-475
Sat 4/13		1311 Gonzaga wins by 3 round decision		+950
9:30PM		1312 Not Gonzaga by 3 round decision		-1950
Sat 4/13		1313 Browne/Gonzaga draw		+9000
9:30PM		1314 Fight not a draw		-25000
Sat 4/13		1315 Browne wins in round 1		+220
9:30PM		1316 Any other result		-300
Sat 4/13		1317 Browne wins in round 2		+430
9:30PM		1318 Any other result		-690
Sat 4/13		1319 Browne wins in round 3		+1000
9:30PM		1320 Any other result		-2000
Sat 4/13		1321 Gonzaga wins in round 1		+550
9:30PM		1322 Any other result		-1050
Sat 4/13		1323 Gonzaga wins in round 2		+975
9:30PM		1324 Any other result		-1975
Sat 4/13		1325 Gonzaga wins in round 3		+1900
9:30PM		1326 Any other result		-5700
Sat 4/13		1327 Browne wins by submission		+600
9:30PM		1328 Any other result		-1200
Sat 4/13		1329 Browne wins by TKO/KO		+138
9:30PM		1330 Any other result		-178
Sat 4/13		1331 Gonzaga wins by submission		+495
9:30PM		1332 Any other result		-885
Sat 4/13		1333 Gonzaga wins by TKO/KO		+800
9:30PM		1334 Any other result		-1700
Sat 4/13		1335 Browne/Gonzaga starts round 3		+132
9:30PM		1336 Fight won't start round 3		-172
Sat 4/13		1337 Browne/Gonzaga starts round 2		-177
9:30PM		1338 Fight won't start round 2		+137
any victory inside distance is a winner for selected fighter, see sportsbook rules for grading details
Sat 4/13		1339 Browne points handicap	-3½ -175
9:30PM		1340 Gonzaga points handicap	+3½ +145
The Ultimate Fighter 17 Finale - Fight of the Night Winner
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10001 Jorgensen/Faber award winner		+290
5:30PM		10002 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-410
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10003 Hall/Gastelum award winner		+425
5:30PM		10004 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-675
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10005 Zingano/Tate award winner		+280
5:30PM		10006 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-400
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10007 Browne/Gonzaga award winner		+1400
5:30PM		10008 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-3600
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10009 Smith/McDaniel award winner		+1400
5:30PM		10010 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-3600
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10011 Samman/Casey award winner		+2000
5:30PM		10012 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-6000
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10013 Hart/Barnatt award winner		+950
5:30PM		10014 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-1950
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10015 Quinlan/Andrews award winner		+1400
5:30PM		10016 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-3600
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10017 Marunde/Hester award winner		+1700
5:30PM		10018 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-5100
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10019 Palaszewski/Miller award winner		+700
5:30PM		10020 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-1500
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10021 Lawrence/Pineda award winner		+850
5:30PM		10022 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-1750
all 12 fights must occur for action
Sat 4/13		10023 Sicilia/Blanco winner		+1000
5:30PM		10024 Any other bout is Fight of the Night		-2000

[edman5555]

I kinda like Faber to grind him out and submit him later in the fight if he can't make it happen early on.

[Ludo]

I like Faber to pretty much do what Faber does with Jorgensen here. Not to play the MMAth game, but if I remember right Faber was the faster guy when he fought Wineland, and Wineland was the faster guy when he fought Jorgensen, which should translate here. I think Faber treats Jorgensen like he did Bowles to be honest.

[SPX]

The only thing I'm wondering about is, aren't they homies? I wonder how that will play into things.

[Ludo]

By the way, this card blows dick for betting.

[edman5555]

I like Faber to pretty much do what Faber does with Jorgensen here. Not to play the MMAth game, but if I remember right Faber was the faster guy when he fought Wineland, and Wineland was the faster guy when he fought Jorgensen, which should translate here. I think Faber treats Jorgensen like he did Bowles to be honest.

I rewatched the wineland fights and your 100% correct sbout the speed. That was one of the things that stuck out the most to me. I agree with you about the bowles treatment as well. I think faber wears him down and then submits him.