METAMORIS III March 29th

[Luke]

- E BRAVO VS R GRACIE
93131	EDDIE BRAVO WINS FIGHT			+200
93132	ROYLER GRACIE WINS FIGHT			+150
93133	FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW			-325

FIGHT EXACT OUTCOME - E. BRAVO VS R. GRACIE
93134	BRAVO WIN BY CHOKE			+350
93135	BRAVO WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK			+500
93136	BRAVO WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK			+900
93137	BRAVO WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION			+1400
93138	GRACIE WIN BY CHOKE			+250
93139	GRACIE WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK			+600
93140	GRACIE WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK			+1100
93141	GRACIE WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION			+1200
93142	FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW			-325

METAMORIS III - RAFAEL MENDES VS CLARK GRACIE 93143 R MENDES WINS THE FIGHT +150 93144 C GRACIE WINS THE FIGHT +250 93145 FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW -325
2:00 AM	FIGHT EXACT OUTCOME - R MENDES VS C GRACIE 93146 MENDES WIN BY CHOKE +200 93147 MENDES WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +350 93148 MENDES WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +650 93149 MENDES WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1200 93150 GRACIE WIN BY CHOKE +500 93151 GRACIE WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +900 93152 GRACIE WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +1500 93153 GRACIE WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1800 93154 FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW -350
KEENAN CORNELIUS VS VINNY MAGALHAES
Time	# Teams Spread Total Odds
2:00 AM	METAMORIS III -KEENAN CORNELIUS VS VINNY MAGALHAES 93156 CORNELIUS WIN THE FIGHT +200 93157 MAGALHAES WIN THE FIGHT +180 93158 FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW -300
2:00 AM	FIGHT EXACT OUTCOME - K CORNELIUS VS V MAGALHAES 93159 CORNELIUS WIN BY CHOKE +300 93160 CORNELIUS WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +350 93161 CORNELIUS WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +1000 93162 CORNELIUS WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1500 93163 MAGALHAES WIN BY CHOKE +280 93164 MAGALHAES WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +400 93165 MAGALHAES WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +1250 93166 MAGALHAES WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1500 93167 FIGHT ENDS IN A DRAW -300
DEAN LISTER VS RENATO SOBRAL
Time	# Teams Spread Total Odds
2:00 AM	METAMORIS III - DEAN LISTER VS RENATO SOBRAL 93170 LISTER WIN THE FIGHT -300 93171 RENATO WIN THE FIGHT +500 93172 FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW EV
2:00 AM	FIGHT EXACT OUTCOME D LISTER VS R SOBAL 93174 LISTER WIN BY CHOKE +250 93175 LISTER WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +600 93176 LISTER WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK -115 93177 LISTER WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +950 93178 SOBAL WIN BY CHOKE +1000 93179 SOBAL WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +1250 93180 SOBAL WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +3000 93181 SOBAL WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +4000 93182 FIGHT ENDS IN A DRAW EV
GUI MENDES VS SAMIR CHANTRE
Time	# Teams Spread Total Odds
2:00 AM	METAMORIS III - GUI MENDES VS SAMIR CHANTRE 93184 MENDES WIN THE FIGHT +200 93185 CHANTRE WIN THE FIGHT +250 93186 FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW -500
2:00 AM	FIGHT EXACT OUTCOME G MENDES VS S CHANTRE 93187 MENDES WIN BY CHOKE +250 93188 MENDES WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +400 93189 MENDES WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +1000 93190 MENDES WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1300 93191 CHANTRE WIN BY CHOKE +400 93192 CHANTRE WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +500 93193 CHANTRE WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +1200 93194 CHANTRE WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1400 93195 FIGHT ENDS IN A DRAW -500
ZAK MAXWELL VS SEAN ROBERTS
Time	# Teams Spread Total Odds
2:00 AM	METEMORIS III - ZAK MAXWELL VS SEAN ROBERTS 93198 MAXWELL WIN THE FIGHT +200 93199 ROBERTS WIN THE FIGHT +200 93200 FIGHT OUTCOME IS A DRAW -450
2:00 AM	FIGHT EXACT OUTCOME Z MAXWELL VS S ROBERTS 93201 MAXWELL WIN BY CHOKE +300 93202 MAXWELL WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +500 93203 MAXWELL WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +850 93204 MAXWELL WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1250 93205 ROBERTS WIN BY CHOKE +300 93206 ROBERTS WIN BY ARM/SHOULDER LOCK +500 93207 ROBERTS WIN BY KNEE/ANKLE LOCK +850 93208 ROBERTS WIN BY ANY OTHER SUBMISSION +1250 93209 FIGHT ENDS IN A DRAW -450
-- METAMORIS III -- ------ FIGHT DISTANCE PROPS ------
Time	# Teams Spread Total Odds
2:00 AM	WILL BRAVO/GRACIE FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93215 YES - BRAVO/GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -325 93216 NO - BRAVO/GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +275
2:00 AM	WILL MENDES/GRACIE FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93219 YES - R MENDES/C GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -350 93220 NO - R MENDES/C GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +290
2:00 AM	WILL CORNELIUS/MAGALHAES FIGHT GO FULL DISTANCE? 93223 YES - CORNELIUS/MAGALHAES FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -300 93224 NO - CORNELIUS/MAGALHAES FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +250
2:00 AM	WILL LISTER/SOBRAL FIGHT GO FULL DISTANCE? 93227 YES - LISTER/SOBRAL FIGHT FULL DISTANCE EV 93228 NO - LISTER/SOBRAL FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -120
2:00 AM	WILL MENDES/CHANTRE FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93229 YES - MENDES/CHANTRE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -500 93230 NO - MENDES/CHANTRE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +400
2:00 AM	WILL MAXWELL/ROBERTS FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93233 YES - MAXWELL/ROBERTS FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -450 93234 NO - MAXWELL/ROBERTS FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +365

[Luke]

See anything good Scientist?

[Mr. IWS]

All in on Bravo!

[MMA_scientist]

I have a lot of thoughts. Honestly bravo is more likely to get the sub imo. He's much heavie and he has a more sub oriented game. There are no points but royler will most likely get the better and it will be a draw. Actually the match wont happen.

Lister by leg lock has value off the top of my head. Thats his game now its all he does.

Ill look closer when i am at a computer

[MMA_scientist]

They way the lines are set up, it will be hard to win by picking winners, most of the matches will go to a draw. Picking the subs is probably the only way to do anything.

Royler is the rightful favorite. Honestly Royler should style all over Eddie, but he will probably be extremely cautious. Bravo by other is +1400. Eddie usually doesn't even use his rubber guard, he usually plays half guard (at least when I have seen him rolling with high level guys). He basically has the triangle/omoplata game, and the twister. He might pull out some crazy twister variation. That's probably the bet if you are going to bet that match. That said, in the vids I have seen, Eddie gasses after only a few minutes of rolling. I am sure he is going to ramp up his training, but he definitely not in as good of shape as Royler, who was fighting top 20 MMA guys just a couple years ago and is still in very good shape. Eddie might gas, he hasn't competed in 11 years in anything. But I doubt there is a sub in the match tbh.

Rafa is the rightful favorite over clark IMO. A lot of people think Rafa is the best in the world, I don't, but he is definitely several notches above Clark. The only reason this match is interesting is that Clark is several weightclasses higher (imagine a grappling match between Demetrious JOhnson and someone like Donald Cerrone). One is the best at his weight, but he might still ose to a guy that is a contender but not a great at a higher weight. Probably Rafa by choke is the bet. Clark isn't going to sub Rafa.

Keenan vs. Vinny. Vinny is the odds favorite and Vinny has won more obviously, but I think Keenan is going to beat him. Keenan has done a sub only tourney before with Lloyd Irvin's Kumite, and he has been more active and has a better team. He might even sub him. Keenan @ +200 doesn't seem that bad.

Sean Roberts vs. Zak Maxwell. Even odds. Neither of these guys is a top top level guy, but they both bring it. Roberts did the Kumite and got 2nd to Keenan I think. I wouldn't bet this one at all, anything can happen here, but if forced I would pick Roberts.

Lister/Babalu. Babalu is an underrated grappler, but this is a mismatch. Dean is probably going to heel hook him. It is the only sub prop that is - odds, and for a reason. Since getting out of MMA, Lister has become a leg lock wizard, he is the best in the world at them IMO. That said, Babalu is a tough grappler, he beat Frank Mir in a grappling match a few years back and he has a well rounded game himself. Maybe fight ends in a draw at EV is the way to go.

I enjoyed typing this to myself. It is like when Luke used to break down boxing and no one read it. Also, where are you getting these lines?

[MMA_scientist]

They way the lines are set up, it will be hard to win by picking winners, most of the matches will go to a draw. Picking the subs is probably the only way to do anything.

Royler is the rightful favorite. Honestly Royler should style all over Eddie, but he will probably be extremely cautious. Bravo by other is +1400. Eddie usually doesn't even use his rubber guard, he usually plays half guard (at least when I have seen him rolling with high level guys). He basically has the triangle/omoplata game, and the twister. He might pull out some crazy twister variation. That's probably the bet if you are going to bet that match. That said, in the vids I have seen, Eddie gasses after only a few minutes of rolling. I am sure he is going to ramp up his training, but he definitely not in as good of shape as Royler, who was fighting top 20 MMA guys just a couple years ago and is still in very good shape. Eddie might gas, he hasn't competed in 11 years in anything. But I doubt there is a sub in the match tbh.

Rafa is the rightful favorite over clark IMO. A lot of people think Rafa is the best in the world, I don't, but he is definitely several notches above Clark. The only reason this match is interesting is that Clark is several weightclasses higher (imagine a grappling match between Demetrious JOhnson and someone like Donald Cerrone). One is the best at his weight, but he might still ose to a guy that is a contender but not a great at a higher weight. Probably Rafa by choke is the bet. Clark isn't going to sub Rafa.

Gui/Chantra. I am pretty confident this is going to be a draw. Gui is better, probably no sub.
Keenan vs. Vinny. Vinny is the odds favorite and Vinny has won more obviously, but I think Keenan is going to beat him. Keenan has done a sub only tourney before with Lloyd Irvin's Kumite, and he has been more active and has a better team. He might even sub him. Keenan @ +200 doesn't seem that bad.

Sean Roberts vs. Zak Maxwell. Even odds. Neither of these guys is a top top level guy, but they both bring it. Roberts did the Kumite and got 2nd to Keenan I think. I wouldn't bet this one at all, anything can happen here, but if forced I would pick Roberts.

Lister/Babalu. Babalu is an underrated grappler, but this is a mismatch. Dean is probably going to heel hook him. It is the only sub prop that is - odds, and for a reason. Since getting out of MMA, Lister has become a leg lock wizard, he is the best in the world at them IMO. That said, Babalu is a tough grappler, he beat Frank Mir in a grappling match a few years back and he has a well rounded game himself. Maybe fight ends in a draw at EV is the way to go.

I enjoyed typing this to myself. It is like when Luke used to break down boxing and no one read it. Also, where are you getting these lines?

[Luke]

bookmaker has them.

[Luke]

WILL BRAVO/GRACIE FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93215 YES - BRAVO/GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -300 93216 NO - BRAVO/GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +260
500 USD No Parlay/Buy
6:00 PM	WILL MENDES/GRACIE FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93219 YES - R MENDES/C GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -300 93220 NO - R MENDES/C GRACIE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +260
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6:00 PM	WILL CORNELIUS/MAGALHAES FIGHT GO FULL DISTANCE? 93223 YES - CORNELIUS/MAGALHAES FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +280 93224 NO - CORNELIUS/MAGALHAES FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +240
500 USD No Parlay/Buy
6:00 PM	WILL LISTER/SOBRAL FIGHT GO FULL DISTANCE? 93227 YES - LISTER/SOBRAL FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +110 93228 NO - LISTER/SOBRAL FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -150
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6:00 PM	WILL MENDES/CHANTRE FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93229 YES - MENDES/CHANTRE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -400 93230 NO - MENDES/CHANTRE FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +320
500 USD No Parlay/Buy
6:00 PM	WILL MAXWELL/ROBERTS FIGHT GO THE FULL DISTANCE? 93233 YES - MAXWELL/ROBERTS FIGHT FULL DISTANCE -425 93234 NO - MAXWELL/ROBERTS FIGHT FULL DISTANCE +350

[Luke]

This is tonight. All in on who??

[poopoo333]

Sorry, I don't bet on pro wrestling.

[zY|]

Yeah you do.

[Luke]

Zak Maxwell vs. Sean Roberts
OFFICIAL RESULT: Draw
Gui Mendes vs. Samir Chantre
OFFICIAL RESULT: Mendes def. Chantre (baseball choke)
Dean Lister vs. Renato “Babalu” Sobral
OFFICIAL RESULT: Draw
Keenan Cornelius vs. Vinny Magalhaes
OFFICIAL RESULT: Bout scratched due to Magalhaes illness. Details here. Kevin Casey stepped up as late replacement.
Keenan Cornelius vs. Kevin Casey
OFFICIAL RESULT: Cornelius def. Casey (inside heel hook)
Rafael Mendes vs. Clark Gracie
OFFICIAL RESULT: Draw
Eddie Bravo vs Royler Gracie
OFFICIAL RESULT :Draw

[Svino]

I heard Bravo almost subbed Royler again.

[edman5555]

Poopoo only bets gay mud wrestling flyweight division. Is eddie bravo a gay mud wrestler.

[Luke]

I heard Bravo almost subbed Royler again.

He did. Most agree Bravo schooled Royler

[Luke]

Just watched the video. You can tell Royler was in a lot of pain but wouldn't have tapped out even if his leg snapped in half

[MMA_scientist]

Eh, I don't know how close it really was. Calf slicers look like they hurt, but some guys aren't bothered by them (including me). I was more worried about the outward pressure on his knee, but I think Royler was more frustrated that he couldn't move than anything. You hardly ever see a little guy tap out to leg locks, much less a compression lock.

Eddie did get the better of him though. And Royler also acted like a douche several times, Eddie came off really well, which will only reignite his idiotic fan club. It definitely was not as one sided as people are making it out to be. Royler had several sweeps too. Eddie started to take over later in the match, which was unexpected, I thought Eddie would gas out. All in all, it was a good event, I was definitely more entertained than any UFC card in the last 2 years. Massive improvement over Metamoris 2 by having Florian/Glover doing the commentary.

The only really shitty match was the Rafa/Clark match IMO. It was everything gay about sport jj.

Also shitty was that Keenan's match fell through with Vinny, he ended up facing Kevin Casey, which Casey had no chance in (but hit a couple of really nice foot sweep takedowns).

Babalu did way better than I thought he was going to. He looked like he was completely outclasses for about 7 minutes, and then did well. Dean still got the better of him by a large margin, but I was impressed with Babalu.

[Luke]

Seems like the Eddie Bravo vs. Gracie family rivalry won’t end after Metamoris 3.

Eleven years after Bravo’s historical submission victory over Royler Gracie at ADCC, they fought to a draw in a 20-minute, submission-only match at Metamoris 3 in Los Angeles, Calif., but the result wasn’t enough for Royce Gracie.
According to a report on the Underground, Royce Gracie went backstage looking for Bravo after the 20-minute match, and the MMA legend confirmed the story to MMAFighting.com.


"I wanted to talk to him for years, but never had the chance to meet him," Royce Gracie told MMAFighting.com on Monday. "I met him after the fight and he was there, throwing up. Royler dominated him so much, he did so much strength, that he threw up after the fight."

Royce Gracie said he liked what Bravo said on the mat after the rematch, but wasn’t happy with the comments he made about jiu-jitsu and the Gracie family in the past.
"I told him that I liked what he said after the fight, but didn’t like the fact that he always talked trash about Royler and my family," he said. "He stood up and started yelling, so I also raised the tone of my voice and told him I didn’t like it."

"He said he always gave my family credit, but I know it’s not true," Gracie continued. "He always talks trash about my family. Enough with this s---. He said he never talked bad about my family and he always gave us credit. He kept raising the tone of his voice, and I told him to shut up, so Jean Jacques (Machado) came in, said we didn’t need this and asked (Bravo) to leave."
Royce Gracie hasn’t competed in a grappling match since a controversial loss to Hidehiko Yoshida at PRIDE in 2002, and he won’t consider competing against Eddie Bravo in a future edition of Metamoris. However, he wouldn’t rule out a MMA fight with Bravo.
"Can we slap each other? Can we beat each other?" Gracie replied a laugh when asked if he’d accept to fight Bravo at Metamoris.
"I’m a vale-tudo fighter. I’m not a fighter to score points of fight with time limit. Let’s (fight) with no time limit and with punches allowed. I’m a vale-tudo fighter, I don’t compete in (grappling) tournaments."

BOL . Royce is delusional

[MMA_scientist]

BOL . Royce is delusional

Yeah, he has been for a while now. All of the old school Gracies are completely insane and delusional.

[Luke]

Yeah, he has been for a while now. All of the old school Gracies are completely insane and delusional.

I understand. Its a pride thing.

Does bravo even know how to strike though......for a MMA fight?