View Full Version : TUF 10 Finale - Dec 5th - Discussion
Mr. IWS
11-23-2009, 09:45 AM
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/210.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
Sweet Jesus, are they ever going to release the rest of the odds for this event? Have you guys looked on Bestfightodds lately? There's basically nothing there.
Mr. IWS
11-23-2009, 11:35 AM
I checked sportsbook.com, they got nothing up either.
It seems like with Basketball and Football season going on they are completely neglecting MMA lines.
I've got a unit on Jones at -185 I made over a month ago.
I've got a unit on Jones at -185 I made over a month ago.
I actually took Hammill. Can't remember the odds. It's either +155 or +180. Put about .5u on him.
I think that Jones could definitely win this fight, but I feel kind of the way I did about Grove/Rosholt, i.e. Jones should be the fave but Hammill is being undervalued.
MMA_scientist
11-23-2009, 01:00 PM
Has anyone seen the Jones/Obrien fight? I assume Jones won teh standup, but was he taken down? How was he doing before the guillotine? Was he trying to stand up if he got taken down? Or playing guard?
Has anyone seen the Jones/Obrien fight? I assume Jones won teh standup, but was he taken down? How was he doing before the guillotine? Was he trying to stand up if he got taken down? Or playing guard?
I saw it.
If I remember correctly, it never went to the ground, but I'd need to see it again to be sure. Jones won the stand up and eventually got the guillotine when he had O'Brien backed up against the fence.
It was a good performance from Jones, but honestly not as impressive as his performance against Bonnar.
MMA_scientist
11-23-2009, 01:09 PM
I am defintely going to look at that fight. Hammill is a better version of Obrien IMO. I would like to see what Obrien's gameplan was. That said, Hammill might be worth an underdog bet if the line moves, which I think it will.
I am defintely going to look at that fight. Hammill is a better version of Obrien IMO. I would like to see what Obrien's gameplan was. That said, Hammill might be worth an underdog bet if the line moves, which I think it will.
I think the wrestling will cancel itself out. I don't think that Hamill has ever been on his back in the UFC and I've also noticed that, at least in his more recent fights, he tends to use his wrestling more to keep it on the feet than take it to the ground. Also, the vast majority of his wins have come via KO/TKO and his striking is underrated in my opinion.
I think this will mostly be contested on the feet and either Jones will outpoint Hamill or Hamill will land a good shot that either KOs Jones or dazes him enough for Hamill to get the TKO.
I've got a unit on Jones at -185 I made over a month ago.
I actually took Hammill. Can't remember the odds. It's either +155 or +180. Put about .5u on him.
I think that Jones could definitely win this fight, but I feel kind of the way I did about Grove/Rosholt, i.e. Jones should be the fave but Hammill is being undervalued.
Looks like we're going to war, fool!
Hamill is solid but he's really plodding and his standup is pretty limited ie: likes to throw bombs that I don't think are going to land. I don't think he's going to catch Jones in a submission either so I don't see the similarity to Grove/Rosholt. I don't think I'd take him until +200 or higher.
And until Jones loses or faces someone well out of his league I will not bet against a man who is so dynamic and can pull off shit like this.
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And suplex Stephan Bonnar 80 times in a fight.
Here's an article discussing the awesomeness of Jon Jones.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/23/95 ... o-chop-the (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/23/950724/ufc-100-bloody-elbow-judo-chop-the)
So basically, what I'm saying is, I'm sold on the Jon Jones hype and driving the wagon.
Hamill is solid but he's really plodding and his standup is pretty limited ie: likes to throw bombs that I don't think are going to land. I don't think he's going to catch Jones in a submission either so I don't see the similarity to Grove/Rosholt. I don't think I'd take him until +200 or higher.
Not similar in terms of style, but similar in that a lot of people just didn't give Grove a chance and I've heard others say the same thing about Hamill. I give Hamill about the same chance of winning as I gave Grove, though I think the method will be different.
So basically, what I'm saying is, I'm sold on the Jon Jones hype and driving the wagon.
Don't get me wrong. I like Jones, I just don't like his odds. Bodog has Hamill right now for +190. I think that's good value there. I'd probably take Jones at -150 or better but that ship never even came to port.
MMA_scientist
11-23-2009, 01:52 PM
Bonnar is tough and Obrien is tough. So I would say Jones support is beyond the hype stage. He has beaten just as good of (better IMO) competition as Hamill.
Hamill is going to have better wrestling, should he choose to use it. He showed in the Munoz fight that he has some legit wrestling skills. He has poor control though, IMO. I see Jones stopping him similar to the way Rich Franklin did, just by battering him. But with his rock for a head, Hamill just keeps pressing forward, terminator style. He can be outpointed though too.
Should be an interesting fight, I am looking forward to it. I think Jones will win, but was hoping to see his reaction when taken down. It looks like we have not gotten to see him on the mat yet, which is always scary betting on a guy when you have no idea what will happen if he gets planted. I prefer my wrestlers to stand up, rather than try to play guard.
I will put a bet on Hammill if he goes over +200. Anything under that, and I am probably gonna lay off or take Jones.
MMA_scientist
11-23-2009, 01:55 PM
Don't get me wrong. I like Jones, I just don't like his odds. Bodog has Hamill right now for +190. I think that's good value there. I'd probably take Jones at -150 or better but that ship never even came to port.
We're in the same boat here. I just give Hammill a little less of a chance to win than you. I will probably take him if he crosses over into +200 or so.
He could win with top control should he use it. I think he is too slow to catch Jones with a punch.
He could win with top control should he use it. I think he is too slow to catch Jones with a punch.
That's the funny thing about Hamill. He always looks so slow and clumsy, but he keeps catching people. Can he catch Jones? I don't know about that, but I guess we'll see. I also agree with the above Terminator analogy. Hamill just keeps coming forward . . . forward . . . forward . . . always applying pressure. I'd favor Hamill over Bonnar or O'Brien, I think, so to me this is Jones' biggest test to date.
MMA_scientist
11-25-2009, 11:04 AM
I am looking at the Stann/Wallace fight. I have been trying to gather info on Wallace. He is an athlete. Record setting runnig back at DII college, 3x State champ in HS wrestling. Hasn't lost yet and has more experience than Stann at this point. Assuming a line ever comes out, I assume he will be a nice underdog.
Stylewise, any grappler presents a problem for Stann, who I am not sold on at all, though he did show some improvement in his striking in his last fight. But against another athletic guys with power of his own, who also has a top control game, I could see Wallace beating him. Hopefully the line will open favorably.
Mr. IWS
11-25-2009, 11:38 AM
I like where your going with that. I think Stann is an ordinary fighter, It sounds like this guy will GnP here. From what Ive seen from Stann, he is really no thread to get a sub.
I dont know anything about Wallace either.
Fuck Brian Stann!
That guy cost me $50 in his fight with Cantwell. . .
MMA_scientist
11-25-2009, 12:09 PM
^^
Here is your chance to get it back! I am not impressed with Stann at all. I don't know this Walalce guy, but have been watching some of his fights. He has already beaten a godo striker in Antwain Britt. He has a submission game and takedowns. If the line opens with Wallace as a considerable underdog (which I think it will) I am gonna put a small play on Wallace, I have talked myself into it.
The other fight I am looking at is Veach/Edgar. Veach is a D1 wrestler, but not quite as good as Edgar. But close enough to where the wrestling should cancel each other out. Edgar has godo tight boxing too though. Anyone knwo anything about Veach other than what we saw in his UFC debut?
Here is your chance to get it back! I am not impressed with Stann at all. I don't know this Walalce guy, but have been watching some of his fights. He has already beaten a godo striker in Antwain Britt. He has a submission game and takedowns. If the line opens with Wallace as a considerable underdog (which I think it will) I am gonna put a small play on Wallace, I have talked myself into it.
Hmm, I like the way you think! I'm going to look into this guy. Stann hits hard but that's about all he's got, although it's worth bearing in mind that he's been training with Greg Jackson and apparently that training has been paying off for him. Still can't believe he beat Cantwell. That was my most confident pick on the card.
The other fight I am looking at is Veach/Edgar. Veach is a D1 wrestler, but not quite as good as Edgar. But close enough to where the wrestling should cancel each other out. Edgar has godo tight boxing too though. Anyone knwo anything about Veach other than what we saw in his UFC debut?
I didn't see Veach's debut, but I have to believe that Edgar will win this fight. I see him getting a title shot after another couple of fights. He's a top 10 LW easily. Top 5, maybe? Honestly I don't even see how this fight makes sense.
MMA_scientist
11-25-2009, 12:49 PM
I think Edgar will be the obvious favorite, and I agree that he is top 10 lw. I am probably going to make a play on him if the line is not too steep. But I would still like to know a little something about Veach. I know he wrestled at Eastern Illinois (where Hughes wrestled) and is a HIT Squad fighter.
All of these HIT Squad fighters are getting fights in the UFC, and so far they have not looked to deserve it much, it looks more like a nice connection. But a couple of guys have looked decent... but not liek top flight fighters like Edgar.
First of all, Brian Stann is a legitimate Silver Star wearing war hero. If you bet against Brian Stann you are betting against America.
That said, he's good but not the most talented fighter. His standup is decent and he has a bit of power. This is evident in the 3rd Cantwell fight, as it played out similar to Arlovski/Sylvia 3, with neither man willing to commit out of respect for the other's power. His ground game is pretty lacking obviously, getting tapped to a bulldog kimura by Krzysztof Soszynski, who obviously has an unnatural hatred for vowels.
Another thing is I don't really agree with using Greg Jackson as any kind of favorable analysis. The guy is a top trainer for sure, but I don't think he's really any better than any other top camp. I believe most of his aura comes from after UFC 94, when Georges St. Pierre revealed their detailed and intricate gameplan for dismantling BJ Penn. The thing about this though, GSP is a complete anomaly who executes gameplans better than anyone in the sport. This will not translate to most fighters at all. Also, Jackson is not infallible. Look at his gameplan for Rashad, a wrestler, to stand with Machida and try to catch his timing (aka beat him at his own game.) Horrible. Yeah, it can have positive results if you're fighting Chuck Liddell or Forrest Griffin, but against an elite striker like Lyoto Machida that was just a terrible, terrible plan and it showed. And you also have guys like Leonard Garcia who train under Jackson and just come out and throw huge windmills the entire fight with no backup plan. Jackson is top notch, but he's only as good as his fighters. It's not like they gain some special power by training with him. He also admits this freely in interviews.
I don't really know much about Rodney Wallace, except that he's athletic and has a decent submission game. From what I've heard though, he's very raw and not exactly ready for the UFC yet. He would probably be served better on like a Strikeforce Challenger's card ala Tyron Woodley. Anyways that's just my take on it.
Of course, per the usual, this all could change depending on how the oddsmakers see it.
As for Veach/Edgar, I see this as a terrible mismatch and Edgar should completely steamroll Veach.
Veach is a very raw fighter who I don't expect to offer much to a top fighter like Edgar. If you watch his UFC debut, he actually won by a shit stoppage after basically getting his ass beat for most of the round. He was almost caught in an anaconda choke in the first minute, then he was dropped by strikes from Matt Grice and was taking some serious, serious ground and pound. Grice was passing his guard at will and laying hands on him easily while standing. He only won because he managed to land a wild counter left hook and drop Grice and the fight was immediately stopped, although it was a similar situation to where Veach was dropped earlier and was a really horrible stoppage imo. Most of the fight was Veach being aggressive and shooting for takedowns with minimal setup, most of which were stuffed.
MMA_scientist
11-25-2009, 04:25 PM
^^
Thanks for the input on Wallace. I am still going to put a small underdog bet on him if the odds are good, though. Stann is not ready for the big time either, IMO. He got thrust there because of his hero status.
As for Jackson, I totally agree. I do look at a fighter's camp though, not because of the trainers, but because of the sparring partners. This makes a big difference. You see this phenomenon all the time in wrestling rooms across america. There will be a stud or two in a few weight classes, and all of teh sudden, the guys in weight classes around them are good too. Training partners matter. I don't know where Guida was before, but teh fact that I don't know probably means it was nowhere, and that he was the best guy there. Suddenly being pushed by guys better than you makes a difference. That said, I don't think it will make much a difference in this fight. (Wait a minute, who said anything about Jackson?)
The input on Veach is what I was looking for, I will probably take Edgar unless the line opens out of the universe.
Thanks.
(Wait a minute, who said anything about Jackson?)
I did. Because that's the only conceivable reason that I can come up with for Stann beating Cantwell. I don't think he was training with Greg before he came to the UFC, but I could be wrong.
One thing about Veach though, he is certainly tenacious and if anything, showed a lot of heart in that fight.
MMA_scientist
11-25-2009, 04:59 PM
(Wait a minute, who said anything about Jackson?)
I did. Because that's the only conceivable reason that I can come up with for Stann beating Cantwell. I don't think he was training with Greg before he came to the UFC, but I could be wrong.
if I recall correctly, he was at extreme couture. A jump to Jackson's probably isn't gonna help there.
Where did I get Guida? its not even the same event.
Mr. IWS
12-03-2009, 03:42 PM
Finally, some lines.
Im suprised Marcus Jones is a -205.
Shit, I'm suprised that Kimbo and Houston opened dead even. I thought Houston would be like -200 or worse. Unfortunately, the line is already moving and I can't place any bets until I get home.
MMA_scientist
12-03-2009, 04:26 PM
Houston is already -150
I am bummed that Edgar/Veach came in so steep. I might still make the bet though. He is -460 on Bookmaker though...
There are alot of good underdogs here, for the value bettor. Hamill seems like a good value, Madsen could be a good value too. I don't really bet that way though.
The only fight I am betting is Howrd to beat Hallman. 3u.
I am bummed that Edgar/Veach came in so steep. I might still make the bet though. He is -460 on Bookmaker though...
If Houston's line keeps moving then I'll probably wait for Bodog to post their lines and put him in a parlay with Edgar.
There are alot of good underdogs here, for the value bettor. Hamill seems like a good value, Madsen could be a good value too. I don't really bet that way though.
Hamill at +250 definitely has value. I put .57u on him at +175. I definitely am wishing I had waited now but I didn't expect so much money to come in on Jones.
The only fight I am betting is Howrd to beat Hallman. 3u.
Interesting. If Hallman's line keeps getting better then I'm thinking he's good for .5u. Howard has not really impressed me. I've watched 3 or 4 of his fights and all of his performances have been rather lackluster. Also, he's too small for WW. He should definitely be fighting at 155.
MMA_scientist
12-03-2009, 04:44 PM
I didn't get a chance to place my bet on Howard at -215. It already moved to -240.
Hallman is over the hill... I was on teh fence at -215, at -240 I don't know that I wm going to be making that bet
He may be over the hill, but he's also 6-1 in his last 7 fights, including 4 first round finishes (5 if you count his win via DQ). I understand that the level of competition that he was facing may be suspect, but several of those fights were in the IFL or Strikeforce.
I see he's at +190 and I hope that line keeps moving because I will bet it.
MMA_scientist
12-03-2009, 05:00 PM
Howard is on a win streak of his own, against better competition though.
Hallman's win streak is all paper.
His opponent's records for the streak:
11-9
6-5
11-7
3-5
1-2
Cmon. Best winning % is 61% , the average is 48%. That streak is against sub .500 comp.
I hear you. I think Howard should be the favorite here, but nothing over -150. Hallman's more experienced and he's only 34. There are still plenty of competitors who are doing well around that age.
I went ahead and dropped .5u on Hallman at +198.
I guess I missed the boat on Houston unless his line comes down because I'm not taking him at the current odds.
I'm not betting on any of this garbage.
I wish I had funds in my bookmaker account earlier. Kimbo opened at +200 on Sportsbook. That would've been a sick ass arb.
Me missed again but whats new
I'm not betting on any of this garbage.
I wish I had funds in my bookmaker account earlier. Kimbo opened at +200 on Sportsbook. That would've been a sick ass arb.
you can get Kimbo at +220 at matchbook and thegreek
Here's what I got:
Matt Hamill -- .57u to win 1u
I'm really kicking myself on this one right now as his line has greatly improved from the time I bet on him. The reasons I went with Hamill are as we discussed on the forum previously. He's strong as hell, has real KO power, and his only legit loss is to Rich Franklin. I do agree that Jones should be the favorite, but not to the extent that he is. He may be able to outclass Hamill all night, but if Hamill connects and hurts Jones then I think that could be all she wrote for the Jones hype train.
Kimbo Slice -- .25u to win .65u
Alexander opened at -115 and if I could've gotten some of that action then I definitely would have. But by the time I was able to place bets his line had moved significantly and I didn't feel comfortable betting on him anymore. Kimbo's line continued to move up. Personally, I think that Alexander will go out and be ultra-aggressive and end this one early. But I have a vague suspicion that Kimbo's gameplan might surprise us. If his trainers are smart, they will have had him training his ground game extensively because if Kimbo could actually take Houston down then Houston may not be able to get back up. That's what I'm hoping for. Either way, it's a small bet.
Dennis Hallman -- .5u to win .98u
Hallman's an aged competitor, but he's only 34. In his last 7, he is 6-1 with 4 first round subs. Now allow me to add a caveat: The competition that he has been fighting has definitely been lackluster. Still, I think that's impressive as most of these wins were either in the IFL or Strikeforce. As for Howard, he has not impressed me. I've watched several of his fights and he seems to be okay in all areas, but not particularly good in any of them. He doesn't really have KO power and I don't think he's going to get a sub against a vet like Hallman. Also, I think he may have a hard time outwrestling him as well. On the other hand, Howard is younger and has been fighting better competition. Surprisingly, Hallman opened as a slight favorite, though his line moved quickly and significantly. But it seems the oddsmakers were thinking along lines similar to myself. I'm not saying he necessarily deserves to be the favorite, but I don't think he deserves to be +210 either.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 06:31 PM
GL tonight SPX.
Only thing I got is a "you pay for the pizza" bet with my boy. I got Houston.
I've just got 1u on Jon Jones @ -185 on Sportsbook. I wonder if they would mind if I arbed that out, they've got Hamill at +235 now. LOL
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 08:58 PM
Im hurt. No Abe Wagner on the card tonight.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 09:00 PM
In case you didnt know, this guy is about his bread. :)
http://supercutebrian.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/kimbo-slice.jpg
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 09:24 PM
Marcus Jones needs to go to Abu Dhabi cause MMA aint his thing. Dude still has no clue standing up.
Marcus Jones needs to go to Abu Dhabi cause MMA aint his thing. Dude still has no clue standing up.
His standup needs work, but he landed some shots. He also needs to work on his guillotine. When he had that thing sunk in I thought it was over but apparently he didn't have it on right.
Damn.
I seriously thought about enjoying a moment of insanity and putting everything I had in all my sportsbook accounts on Edgar but I didn't. Stupid move in theory, but right now I'm wishing I had been stupid.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 09:55 PM
Edgar looked solid with his standup.
I hope he gets BJ next................So I can bet against him.
Ha ha. I'd have to take BJ, too.
But I think Edgar is probably my favorite LW right now. He's got a good all around skillset and seems to be a cool guy. If anyone beats BJ, I hope it's Edgar. I just don't know how Edgar's going to beat Maynard unless his TD defense has improved since the last time around.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 10:03 PM
Yeah, I like that kid too. I work in Jersey, so I gotta root for a Jersey boy.
BJ my fave LW by far though.
BJ's got skillz, but it's hard to like his attitude.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 10:08 PM
BJ's got skillz, but it's hard to like his attitude.
I love his attitude..LOL
Mir is my guy too. Love that shit.
Ive liked Mir since I seen him beat Tank.
I don't hate BJ like some do. Some really hate that guy. I find him entertaining, but I also know he's a bitch who makes a lot of excuses. I like guys with personality, but they also need to know how to be humble and honorable.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 10:19 PM
I don't hate BJ like some do. Some really hate that guy. I find him entertaining, but I also know he's a bitch who makes a lot of excuses. I like guys with personality, but they also need to know how to be humble and honorable.
Yeah, I love the guy, but that whole greasing thing was stupid. He got his ass whipped, end of story.
Man, FUCK! Just learned that Howard shut Hallman down in the 3rd. And Sherdog scored rounds 1 and 2 for Hallman, too.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 10:23 PM
Man, FUCK! Just learned that Howard shut Hallman down in the 3rd. And Sherdog scored rounds 1 and 2 for Hallman, too.
Yeah, I just read that too. Sorry man.
Hopefully Kimbo comes through.
Goddamn, at the VERY END of the third round, too. I feel fucking robbed!
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 10:45 PM
LOL at Kimbo/Houston
WTF was that?
Man, I dunno.
I think Kimbo should've pressed hard for the takedown in round 3 even if he had to take a few shots on the way in. Obviously it was working for him in the second.
Kimbo did have a damn good slam, though.
Woo-hoo!
Kick ass.
Well hey, that at least makes up for the Hallman bet. GOD! FUCK! FUCKING SHIT! I'm pissed off about that. . . I should be up 1.6u right now.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 10:52 PM
Was that Kaleb Starnes with a tan and bald head in there?
Ha ha.
That was the reason Houston lost that fight. I really believe that if he had just gone in being ultra-aggressive then he would've knocked Kimbo out or gotten a TKO. But he seemed scared shitless of Kimbo's power.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 10:56 PM
Who the fuck are they gonna get for Kimbo to fight now? I cant think of any heavyweight he can beat. Maybe they bring back Justin McCully or some shit.
Dude, I don't know. Maybe another TUFer? Hopefully they can figure something out because honestly I really like Kimbo. I want to get him keep getting wins even if it's against scrubs.
I got it. . .
How about Kimbo VS JDS?
I got Kimbo. . .
Well hey, I love losing money.
Holy fuck. If I lose my ONE bet by DQ i'm going to be a mad motherfucker
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 11:10 PM
I thought Bones was gonna be disqualified.
Holy fuck. If I lose my ONE bet by DQ i'm going to be a mad motherfucker
Are they even talking about that?
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 11:11 PM
Oh shit.
I knew it........
I hate this sport.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 11:12 PM
Dam, that is a brutal way to lose.
I wont a bet like that a couple years ago when Renzo beat Shamrock, after Shamrock got DQ.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 11:13 PM
Hamill is so fucked up, the dont even know he won.
Holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry zY. I know that sucks.
This is the first DQ I've EVER seen in MMA.
There are a lot of MMA fights I've never seen. Maybe that's testament to that. But I've never seen a DQ before.
So what's that, 4 huge underdogs pulled through so far?
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 11:16 PM
I think thats the worst beat in MMA history. No exageration. That kid won the fight, the fight should have been stopped 30 seconds before he landed those elbows.
Mazzagatti strikes again.
I don't even know what the point of that rule is. Who gives a shit if you elbow a dude's face in? This is MMA right.
And it ain't Mazzagatti's fault, I think it was a good call actually. I think the rule sucks though. Sigh.
That sucks for sure. My bet on Hamill was obviously wrong. If I'm not incorrect--and I could be--I think that's the first time Hamill's ever been on his back in the UFC.
Damn.
Titties was destroyed. That sucks too because I can't stand that douchebag James McSweeney.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 11:32 PM
Dude, I don't know. Maybe another TUFer? Hopefully they can figure something out because honestly I really like Kimbo. I want to get him keep getting wins even if it's against scrubs.
Maybe he can fight McSweeney, but to be honest, I think Kimbo would get KO'd.
I think Mittrione/Kimbo would be halfway decent.
Mr. IWS
12-05-2009, 11:34 PM
Chuck/Tito 3
Hopefully Tito's cracked skull heals up.
I think this is a good fight for Chuck. I hope he fucks Tito up!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn't see that coming. . .
Hahah omfg I'm laughing so hard I'm crying and I can't stop.
That was the greatest thing I've ever seen.
Greatest? Dude, that was gay. I want Nelson VS Lesnar. IFL Champ VS UFC champ. I'd laugh my ass off at that shit.
By the way, why the fuck are they announcing Nelson as a kung fu fighter?
Greatest? Dude, that was gay. I want Nelson VS Lesnar. IFL Champ VS UFC champ. I'd laugh my ass off at that shit.
By the way, why the fuck are they announcing Nelson as a kung fu fighter?
Hate hate hate hate.
Well, +1.15u for the night. A legitimate result, but it should've been because I won the Hallman bet and lost the Hamill bet.
MMA_scientist
12-06-2009, 12:34 AM
Pulled out a 4.5 unit win to rebound from my worst ever event at 106. I had 5 units on Howard at -240 and 5 units on Roy at -197. I should have parlayed, which I rarely do, but in this circumstance it would have made sense.
Glad I added Roy when the line moved. I lucked out big time with Howard, but I will take it.
I think I correctly handicapped every fight on the card, except Schoon v. McSweeney.
+ 13 units going back to UFC 105...
In news that more people actually care about, Roy is awesome, he came out to Weird Al Yankovic "Im Fat." Love it.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c171/zygote7/MMA/kimboplex_2.gif
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c171/zygote7/MMA/kimboplex_1.gif
WAR EATER OF BREAD
MMA_scientist
12-06-2009, 01:06 AM
Houston pussed out pretty hard. His strategy to attack the arthritic knee was weaksauce.
I still think Kimbo is a poor fighter, but I have to admit, he suprised me with his atleticism.
The Kimboplex was awesome. No one can deny it. I was like, Holy shiiiit! It was beautiful.
This shit makes me laugh my ass off:
http://i48.tinypic.com/zr59f.jpg
This shit makes me laugh my ass off:
http://i48.tinypic.com/zr59f.jpg
Hahaha yeah that's incredible.
I just watched this .I taped it because I was watching football.
I only watched a few because it is so late and skipped most of the talking..
The Kimbo-Houston fight was bad but I had it 2-1 for Kimbo .The only good part was that slam.
Jones deserved to get DQ'ed in that fight.Yes he was dominating the fight but he should have known better than to throw those elbows.
Belly (Nelson) had a good KO even though I thought Schaub was doing good until he got KTFO
All I have to say about TUF 11 is :GAY
Tito vs Liddell ???
Come on hasnt this been done twice before? A has been versus a never was .What shitty picks IMO
Those were the only three fights I watched .I'll watch the rest tomrrow
Actually I'm ok with Chuck and Tito as coaches solely for the fact that it keeps relevant fighters from being tied up with a stupid reality show for 9 months.
Mr. IWS
12-06-2009, 09:51 AM
The Kimboplex was awesome.
LOL @ Kimboplex
Actually I'm ok with Chuck and Tito as coaches solely for the fact that it keeps relevant fighters from being tied up with a stupid reality show for 9 months.
I'm good with Chuck fighting Tito again for the reason that I REALLY want to see Chuck a) not get KTFO again, and b) win. And I think against Tito there's a pretty good chance of both.
Actually I'm ok with Chuck and Tito as coaches solely for the fact that it keeps relevant fighters from being tied up with a stupid reality show for 9 months.
I'm good with Chuck fighting Tito again for the reason that I REALLY want to see Chuck a) not get KTFO again, and b) win. And I think against Tito there's a pretty good chance of both.
But whats the point of them fighting? They are both WAY past their primes ,neither is ever going to be champ again and they have alreasy fight twice.
At this point in their careers it would be like having a Holfield-Tyson III .I just think its a complete waste of time.
Now if they wanted to put over the hill figthers against each other why not Ortiz-Wanderlei Silva or Ortiz -Couture
or something like that .If these two had fought once you could call it a rematch but fighting a third time when one person won the first two fights fairily easily is called pointless imo and I for one will forget to watch it just as I did this season lol
Heh, I don't necessarily disagree with you.
But to be honest, I would watch Chuck beat Tito's ass every pay per view if I could.
Heh, I don't necessarily disagree with you.
But to be honest, I would watch Chuck beat Tito's ass every pay per view if I could.
Me too!
What's the point of them fighting? Just 'cause it will be a good and entertaining fight. It doesn't really have anything to do with title contention or rankings any of that. Also, I think the point is to get Chuck a win, at least that's what I think Dana's thinking.
Mr. IWS
12-07-2009, 09:39 AM
Something funny about the Tuf Finale I thought I would share about Titties:
Right before they were showing the McSweeny/Schoonover fight, my wife went up to lay in the bed to catch the end of the event. I walked up after the fight, and she was like; “Hey, did you see Titties get his ass whipped?”
Funny shit. Even my wife calls him Titties.
Something funny about the Tuf Finale I thought I would share about Titties:
Right before they were showing the McSweeny/Schoonover fight, my wife went up to lay in the bed to catch the end of the event. I walked up after the fight, and she was like; “Hey, did you see Titties get his ass whipped?”
Funny shit. Even my wife calls him Titties.
::lmao::
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