Ubereem vs Arlovski on NYE: edit Not happening

[Mr. IWS]

Thats the word around the campfire. Fujita is pulling out last minute.

I would love to see this one.

[The HOFF]

That would be awesome. Arlovski might die in the ring though.

[Mr. IWS]

That would be awesome. Arlovski might die in the ring though.

As long as he doesnt get hit in that glass jaw, he should be fine.

::thumbup::

[zY|]

Oh man I hope Arlovski takes him out.

[SPX]

Any thoughts on the rest of this card?

Can you believe Mousasi is fighting fucking Gary Goodridge? That's insane to me. Seems like a total lock.

I'm also thinking Aoki will be a good bet and maybe Kid.

Not familiar enough with the other fighters to form an opinion.

[Mr. IWS]

Its just plain dumb that Mousasi is fighting Goodrich. He is probably gonna be -1000 and up, if a line even comes out.

I really hope that the overeem/arlovski fight happens. I know its short notice, but I think it will be a really good fight.

[Mr. IWS]

Man, this shit aint happening. Wishful thinking on my part.

http://www.dreamofficial.com/free/fightcard/

[zY|]

Man there are a LOT of fights on this card. Epic.

[zY|]

Lines out on Bookmaker

Hidehiko Yoshida +135
Satoshi Ishii -165

Ikuhisa Minowa +265
Rameau Sokoudjou -325

Masanori Kanehara +275
Norifumi Yamamoto -345

Hiroyuki Takaya -120
Michihiro Omigawa -110

Akihiro Gono +175
Hayato Sakurai -215

Hiroshi Izumi +125
Katsuyori Shibata -155

Alistair Overeem -1100
Kazuyuki Fujita +600

Mizuto Hirota +275
Shinya Aoki -345

Kazunori Yokota +275
Tatsuya Kawajiri -345

Kazuo Misaki -165
Melvin Manhoef +135

Gary Goodridge +425
Gegard Mousasi -575

Hideo Tokoro -165
Jong Man Kim +135

[SPX]

Total gayness since I am completely tapped out on my Bookmaker account. Everything is tied up in other fights.

I would take both Mousasi and Aoki at those odds. Hopefully Bodog and Sportsbook will open with something comparable.

Kid's line sucks. Might be value in Kenehara at those odds.

[Mr. IWS]

Good find zY.

If my guy will give me Mousasi, im all over that.

[Luke]

Gary Goodridge +425
Gegard Mousasi -575

These odds should be triple that Goodridge was a piss poor kickboxer and even a worse MMA fight

[zY|]

Haha. Mousasi has already moved to -700.

http://www.bestfightodds.com/

[SPX]

Yes, Mousasi's line has already begun its descent into unplayability, so I'm sure Bodog--which I find is never really good for favorites--will open it at like -800 or something. I can't touch that, except maybe in a parlay with Aoki.

[zY|]

Yes, Mousasi's line has already begun its descent into unplayability, so I'm sure Bodog--which I find is never really good for favorites--will open it at like -800 or something. I can't touch that, except maybe in a parlay with Aoki.

Yeah, you ever notice when a line is moving on Bodog, it goes from -365 directly to -500? Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

[SPX]

Yeah, you ever notice when a line is moving on Bodog, it goes from -365 directly to -500? Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

For whatever reason, Bodog seems terrified to misprice a favorite's line so they overcompensate by making sure they're line is as high as possible. I find that Bodog is usually shitty for favorites, good for dogs.

[MMA_scientist]

Lol @ Overeem @ -1100. That is insane.

Sok and Kawajiri are the best plays, IMO.

[SPX]

Holy fucking shit.

Mousasi just hit -1100.

Talk about having to be at the right place at the right time. This opportunity is GONE.

[zY|]

Who the hell is betting these lines?

Isn't the bookmaker max like $500? Woohoo I risked $500 to win $70!

[Luke]

Who the hell is betting these lines?

Isn't the bookmaker max like $500? Woohoo I risked $500 to win $70!


no its 250 limit


-1100 is closer to what the actual line should have been instead of -575

[SPX]

Yeah, not sure what's up with bookmaker and their $250 limit. I mean, I personally don't bet big enough to need a higher limit (biggest bet I ever made was $120 on Vitali Klitschko v Arreola), but I hope to eventually get there. Doesn't seem very professional.

[MMA_scientist]

Overeem is definately definately not going to lose. So 8% of $250 is still free money. I am not going to bet it, but someone out there will be thinking this.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, not sure what's up with bookmaker and their $250 limit. I mean, I personally don't bet big enough to need a higher limit (biggest bet I ever made was $120 on Vitali Klitschko v Arreola), but I hope to eventually get there. Doesn't seem very professional.

I have 2 bookmaker accounts, one in my name and one in my brother's. Its not that big of a deal. I don't know why they have the limits, because you can just solicit a pal to open up an account for you, and fund it with cash.

I also have a 5dimes account and Bodog for this reason, which I only use on rare occasions. I always get the early odds on bookmaker, so the other accounts have nothing to offer me, other than being able to make bigger bets.

I don't really get it either, but I guess that's why I dont have my own sports book.

[Luke]

Yeah, not sure what's up with bookmaker and their $250 limit. I mean, I personally don't bet big enough to need a higher limit (biggest bet I ever made was $120 on Vitali Klitschko v Arreola), but I hope to eventually get there. Doesn't seem very professional.


They put the 250 limit so someone doesnt get 5k down on a bad line .Bookmaker isnt very good at setting MMA lines so they jut put a line out they think is fair and put a 250 cap on it .Once they get some max wagers on the opening line the move it very fast until people quit betting it. 250 dollars x 5 or 6 bets is nothing to bookmaker to get info .Sportsbooks pay way more than that to linesmakers . Once the heavy action on one side dies down they know the line is right and they up the wagering limit

[SPX]

They put the 250 limit so someone doesnt get 5k down on a bad line .Bookmaker isnt very good at setting MMA lines so they jut put a line out they think is fair and put a 250 cap on it .Once they get some max wagers on the opening line the move it very fast until people quit betting it. 250 dollars x 5 or 6 bets is nothing to bookmaker to get info .Sportsbooks pay way more than that to linesmakers . Once the heavy action on one side dies down they know the line is right and they up the wagering limit

I see. Interesting. That makes sense, but still seems a little mickey mouse. I mean, Bodog occasionally is the first to open lines, but even when they do their limits are a good bit higher.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, not sure what's up with bookmaker and their $250 limit. I mean, I personally don't bet big enough to need a higher limit (biggest bet I ever made was $120 on Vitali Klitschko v Arreola), but I hope to eventually get there. Doesn't seem very professional.


They put the 250 limit so someone doesnt get 5k down on a bad line .Bookmaker isnt very good at setting MMA lines so they jut put a line out they think is fair and put a 250 cap on it .Once they get some max wagers on the opening line the move it very fast until people quit betting it. 250 dollars x 5 or 6 bets is nothing to bookmaker to get info .Sportsbooks pay way more than that to linesmakers . Once the heavy action on one side dies down they know the line is right and they up the wagering limit

Did not know that. Thanks.

[zY|]

Yeah, not sure what's up with bookmaker and their $250 limit. I mean, I personally don't bet big enough to need a higher limit (biggest bet I ever made was $120 on Vitali Klitschko v Arreola), but I hope to eventually get there. Doesn't seem very professional.


They put the 250 limit so someone doesnt get 5k down on a bad line .Bookmaker isnt very good at setting MMA lines so they jut put a line out they think is fair and put a 250 cap on it .Once they get some max wagers on the opening line the move it very fast until people quit betting it. 250 dollars x 5 or 6 bets is nothing to bookmaker to get info .Sportsbooks pay way more than that to linesmakers . Once the heavy action on one side dies down they know the line is right and they up the wagering limit

Which is why it would be interesting to see how the other books open if people could lay off destroying the bookmaker openers.

[MMA_scientist]

I got 5u on Sokoudjou @ -370. Minowa can only win freakshow fights (which I think might be pretty fixed).


I am considering Kawajiri as well.

[Mr. IWS]

Im suprisede Soko is that big a fav. His gas tank always worries me. But I think you are right, it seems like Minowa only beats freaks anymore. I think Soko gets you paid.

[zY|]

Sokoudjou is going to pound his little midget head in by virtue of actually being a real fighter.

If Minowa "wins" somehow, the entire super hulk tournament is a complete work, which really wouldn't surprise me tbh.

[Mr. IWS]

I always worry about Soko's tank, but he should sort this dude out.

[The HOFF]

Kazuo Misaki -165
Melvin Manhoef +135

Mizuto Hirota +275
Shinya Aoki -345

Kazunori Yokota +275
Tatsuya Kawajiri -345

Masanori Kanehara +305
Norifumi Yamamoto -375

Akihiro Gono +155
Hayato Sakurai -195

Hiroshi Izumi +125
Katsuyori Shibata -155

Jong Man Kim +160
Hideo Tokoro -200

Michihiro Omigawa -110
Hiroyuki Takaya -120

Kazuyuki Fujita +600
Alistair Overeem -1100

Ikuhisa Minowa +270
Rameau Sokoudjou -340

Hidehiko Yoshida +215
Satoshi Ishii -275

Gary Goodridge +600
Gegard Mousasi -1100

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Andy Souwer +100
Masato -130

Yosuke Nishijima +325
Ray Sefo -405

[The HOFF]

Two plays I like:

Hayato Sakurai -195
Hiroyuki Takaya -120

[MMA_scientist]

You guys have me seriously freaked out now that the Sok fight is fixed.

I got screwed on the odds, his line is -280 now-- the yakuza is pouring in yen on Minowa. The fix is in.

[Mr. IWS]

the yakuza is pouring in yen on Minowa.

::lmao::

[Mr. IWS]

Im really thinking about getting on Ishii here. Yoshida is an old timer now, and is smaller than Ishii. Yoshida has only had one fight in the last 12 months and 3 fights over the last 3 years, so combined with his age, and inactivity, I think Ishii has an advantage there.

The only thing that worries me here, is that Ishii is making his debut, but this is the new 'it" guy for Japanese MMA, so Im thinking they hand picked Yoshida for him.

They both have the Judo background, but Ill side with the Younger, bigger guy over the Older, experienced guy.

Ill post when I get a line from my guy, if Im betting this, but Im definatly leaning that way.

[zY|]

Im really thinking about getting on Ishii here. Yoshida is an old timer now, and is smaller than Ishii. Yoshida has only had one fight in the last 12 months and 3 fights over the last 3 years, so combined with his age, and inactivity, I think Ishii has an advantage there.

The only thing that worries me here, is that Ishii is making his debut, but this is the new 'it" guy for Japanese MMA, so Im thinking they hand picked Yoshida for him.

They both have the Judo background, but Ill side with the Younger, bigger guy over the Older, experienced guy.

Ill post when I get a line from my guy, if Im betting this, but Im definatly leaning that way.

Just FYI, an olympic gold medal doesn't always mean everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karam_Ibrahim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59YNXojXe_4

[MMA_scientist]

I don't like to bet on the unknown quantity, but Ishii should win by superior judo. Yoshida only wins by grappling advantage, which he won't have. But Ishii has never fought before, he might gas out. He might crumble when he gets punched. I will wait until his next fight.

I wish I had my 5dimes funded. Although I am generally against parlays, and never recommend them, I can beef up my return on Sok by adding Mousasi and Overeem (both of which are almost guaranteed to win), without adding much (any) risk.

[Mr. IWS]

Ishii has never fought before, he might gas out. He might crumble when he gets punched.

Agreed. Thats the main reason I still have not bet it yet. Im kind of up in the air. I usually get pretty good lines from my local guy, better than an online shop. Ill see what he gives me first, But Im thinking I get it in the -250 range.

[Mr. IWS]

Im reading on Sherdog that Ishii has been sick. This will obviously be a no play for me now.

[SPX]

I got 5u on Sokoudjou @ -370. Minowa can only win freakshow fights (which I think might be pretty fixed).


I am considering Kawajiri as well.

Man, that sucks homie. Sorry about your loss. Makes my 1.2u seem like pocket change.

[MMA_scientist]

Thanks for the condolences... no biggie though. Gotta roll with the losses.

That said... WORK. That fight was a fix from teh moment I saw the line jump. Then the early stoppage. F'n Yakuza. I am done with japanese MMA. I am pretty sure it is half fixed.

[SPX]

Thanks for the condolences... no biggie though. Gotta roll with the losses.

That said... WORK. That fight was a fix from teh moment I saw the line jump. Then the early stoppage. F'n Yakuza. I am done with japanese MMA. I am pretty sure it is half fixed.

That's a good attitude. I always get SO PISSED when I lose.

Maybe I should've heeded your warning and stayed away from Soko completely. I wish I had. I obviously should've gone with Aoki straight up or just rolled with my baby bet on Kanehara.