View Full Version : Nog VS Cain
Nog's down to -145 on Bodog. I know he's looked questionable lately, but his performance against Couture was a good one, in my opinion better than his performance against Heath or Sylvia. When his line first came out, he was -250 and I didn't see any value at all, but it's starting to look pretty attractive. Cain doesn't hit that hard so I don't see him knocking Nog out, so the question is really whether his wrestling will be superior to the point of being able to control the fight like he's used to doing. Nog's a crafty veteran who seems with a better sub game than anything Cain has dealt with, so I could easily see him taking this one.
Mr. IWS
12-31-2009, 09:54 PM
The more I look at this one, the more I think Cain is just gonna out work him for a decision.
The HOFF
01-01-2010, 12:24 PM
I like Nogueira, especially at -145. No way Velasquez can knock him out. So the way I see it, Nogueira has three rounds to pull out a submission.
MMA_scientist
01-01-2010, 08:36 PM
This is so tough to call. Cain has never faced a grappler. Nog swept Randy a couple of times.
I am gonna say Nog though. No bet for me though.
This is so tough to call. Cain has never faced a grappler. Nog swept Randy a couple of times.
I am gonna say Nog though. No bet for me though.
Agreed. This is where I'm at as well. Too many intangibles.
I like Nogueira, especially at -145. No way Velasquez can knock him out. So the way I see it, Nogueira has three rounds to pull out a submission.
Kind of the same thinking I have
Kind of the same thinking I have
Luke, Alf is awesome, and I support that avatar, but aren't you aware that you have to have a ninja AV now in order to participate in this forum?
Kind of the same thinking I have
Luke, Alf is awesome, and I support that avatar, but aren't you aware that you have to have a ninja AV now in order to participate in this forum?
::lmao::
I never watched ninjas in the 80s and since everyone was changing their avatars to the 80s I put Alf up because thats what I was watching back then.
I'll see if I cant find Alf as a ninja lol
Maybe someone that knows photoshop can photoshop me an Alf ninja
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 09:12 PM
Skills...............I has them........
http://i49.tinypic.com/2hg95sj.jpg
He said ninja, not Kimbo. ::lmao::
Skills...............I has them........
http://i49.tinypic.com/2hg95sj.jpg
::lmao:: ::lmao::
LMAO
He said ninja, not Kimbo. ::lmao::
::lmao::
It does look like Kimbo
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 09:22 PM
Dam,that does look like Kimbo.
I am horrible at that shit.
::hijack::
Here we go again ::lmao::
::hijack::
Here we go again ::lmao::
I hijacked my own thread!
How much talent does THAT shit take?!
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 09:35 PM
::hijack::
Here we go again ::lmao::
I hijacked my own thread!
How much talent does THAT shit take?!
Skills, SPX has them.
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 09:36 PM
Anyway, lets get back to this...........
Anyone worried about Nog with all these staph infections (see zombie Nog), possibly affecting him in this one. Cain sets one hell of a pace. I know he wont finish Nog, but I dont think him out working him, and staying out of subs is out of the question.
I think it could go either way, but the "I like Nog at -145" part of me says that this is a child fighting a man. Cain's had a total of 7 MMA fights with his best wins coming over groundgame-clueless Kongo and journeyman Rothwell.
Could this be Cain's coming out party? Sure. But this fight could also put him in his place, where he is forced to learn that he is not yet ready to fight legends in this sport.
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 09:45 PM
Cain's had a total of 7 MMA fights with his best wins coming over groundgame-clueless Kongo and journeyman Rothwell.
The only reason I aint betting him.
He'll have to be much more conservative with his ground and pound. He doesn't want to give Nog the kind of space he was giving Rothwell.
I think this fight really comes down to can Cain stay out of submissions. Nog will likely beat him up standing, and Cain will be forced to go for the takedown, which he will definitely get.
Personally I like Cain and may bet him.
NOG looked like shit against Mir ,Silvia and Herring.
He looked great against Couture but I think that was more of Couture being that much on the decline than NOG looking good
NOG wont be able to push around Cain like he did Couture. Of coure Cain has a weak chin and could get caught like he did the few times against Kongo.
I'm betting Cain or nothing
I wish this was Nog vs Carwin with Carwin at Cain's odds.
I would jump on Carwin like he was a $5 whore.
Personally I like Cain and may bet him.
NOG looked like shit against Mir ,Silvia and Herring.
He looked great against Couture but I think that was more of Couture being that much on the decline than NOG looking good
NOG wont be able to push around Cain like he did Couture. Of coure Cain has a weak chin and could get caught like he did the few times against Kongo.
I'm betting Cain or nothing
Dude Cain has a monster chin.
Personally I like Cain and may bet him.
NOG looked like shit against Mir ,Silvia and Herring.
He looked great against Couture but I think that was more of Couture being that much on the decline than NOG looking good
NOG wont be able to push around Cain like he did Couture. Of coure Cain has a weak chin and could get caught like he did the few times against Kongo.
I'm betting Cain or nothing
Dude Cain has a monster chin.
Did you miss the Kongo fight ? Cain got rocked many ,many times while they were standing in that fight from what I remember. Had the fight stayed on their feet Kongo would have destroyed Cain
No I didn't miss it. That's the fight I base this on. And he dropped him twice. The first punch he hit him with I think would have KO'd a fucking rhino. His head spun around and he barely hit a knee and was right back in it, even slammed him afterwards.
http://i44.tinypic.com/wtbluf.gif
Seriously, imagine that punch hitting guys like Couture or Mir. They would've turned into a puddle right on the spot.
I don't know, man. It was a hard punch, but Kongo was in the middle of backpedaling when he threw the first one. I don't think it was full force.
I don't know, man. It was a hard punch, but Kongo was in the middle of backpedaling when he threw the first one. I don't think it was full force.
No it's definitely a power punch. He's backpedaling then plants his feet and throws that short right. Most MMA fighters don't have the technique to do that. Plus Cain ran right into it. Besides, all you need to see that it was powerful is that his head spun around like that. That's what knocks you out. And he didn't go out. Hence, great chin.
Well he either has a weak stand up defense or a weak chin ,either one is not great to have with someone that has good boxing skills that NOG does.
This is the only reason I'm not 100% I'm taking Cain or not
Well he either has a weak stand up defense or a weak chin ,either one is not great to have with someone that has good boxing skills that NOG does.
This is the only reason I'm not 100% I'm taking Cain or not
Oh no argument, his standup defense blows monkey nuts.
Well he either has a weak stand up defense or a weak chin ,either one is not great to have with someone that has good boxing skills that NOG does.
This is the only reason I'm not 100% I'm taking Cain or not
Oh no argument, his standup defense blows monkey nuts.
blows monkey nuts ::lmao::
Sucks a fat donkey scrote.
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 10:50 PM
I think Cain has a decent chin. He got blown up a couple times in that Congo fight, and hung in there.
I dont think Nog has that type of "lights out power" to hurt Cain like that. I think Nogs only path to victory is a sub, but thats how it usually is with him, and he is the best of all time in the hw division IMO.
I think Nogs only path to victory is a sub, but thats how it usually is with him, and he is the best of all time in the hw division IMO.
You are obviously forgetting about Brock Lesnar.
I think Nogs only path to victory is a sub, but thats how it usually is with him, and he is the best of all time in the hw division IMO.
You are obviously forgetting about Brock Lesnar.
Lesnar? Who has Lesnar ever submitted? Does Lesnar even know what a submission is ?
I bet Brock thinks those hammer fists are a submission attempt
Lesnar? Who has Lesnar ever submitted? Does Lesnar even know what a submission is ?
I bet Brock thinks those hammer fists are a submission attempt
I was joking.
A real answer is: You are forgetting about Fedor.
On that note, I would actually take Brock over Fedor at +200 or better.
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 11:14 PM
Lesnar will be synonomis with Gracie in the 2010's
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 11:15 PM
Yeah, i forgot about Fedor. Ill call it:
1-Nog
1a- Fedor
1b - Lesnar
Lesnar will be synonomis with Gracie in the 2010's
Not sure if this is a joke or serious, but I think Brock's looking pretty unstoppable for the time being.
I wish to hell that he hadn't gotten sick and we could've seen him against Carwin.
Yeah, i forgot about Fedor. Ill call it:
1-Nog
1a- Fedor
1b - Lesnar
How can Nog be greater than Fedor when Nog a) has lost to Fedor, and b) is not undefeated.
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 11:18 PM
Not sure if this is a joke or serious, but I think Brock's looking pretty unstoppable for the time being.
I wish to hell that he hadn't gotten sick and we could've seen him against Carwin.
Joke (gracie/bjj), but Brock was definatly looking unstoppable.
I think Tank Abbott can beat Lesnar
I'd take Tank at -150 or lower
Brock looks unstoppable? He's a big scary wrestler. Flavor of the week. Bob Sapp was 4-1 at one time too. Mark Kerr was unstoppable too.
Brock looks unstoppable? He's a big scary wrestler. Flavor of the week. Bob Sapp was 4-1 at one time too. Mark Kerr was unstoppable too.
Bob Sapp was 4-1 against WHO? Not Mir, Herring, and Couture.
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 11:30 PM
Bob Sapp was 4-1 against WHO? Not Mir, Herring, and Couture.
Dont forget the Big Show and Cain.
Brock looks unstoppable? He's a big scary wrestler. Flavor of the week. Bob Sapp was 4-1 at one time too. Mark Kerr was unstoppable too.
Bob Sapp was 4-1 against WHO? Not Mir, Herring, and Couture.
Journeyman Heath Herring, Mir who melts when you punch him and Lesnar LOST to, and Couture is 47 years old.
You're right.
Murderer's row.
Mr. IWS
01-01-2010, 11:31 PM
I can see this is gonna be a good debate, but I gotta bust this nut off and go to sleep.
later
I can see this is gonna be a good debate, but I gotta bust this nut off and go to sleep.
later
Peace out, homie.
Dont forget the Big Show and Cain.
::lmao::
I can see this is gonna be a good debate, but I gotta bust this nut off and go to sleep.
later
Dont think about us while you're doing that ,that would just be wierd
lol j/k
[quote="zY|":36mjut2i]Brock looks unstoppable? He's a big scary wrestler. Flavor of the week. Bob Sapp was 4-1 at one time too. Mark Kerr was unstoppable too.
Bob Sapp was 4-1 against WHO? Not Mir, Herring, and Couture.
Journeyman Heath Herring, Mir who melts when you punch him and Lesnar LOST to, and Couture is 47 years old.
You're right.
Murderer's row.[/quote:36mjut2i]
Whos going to beat Lesnar then?
carwain ? cain? yeah right
The HW division has always been a joke ,for god sakes Tim Silvia ruled it for two years until a 70 year old Couture dethoned him and look at Silvia and AA now.
Lesnar is going to rule the HW division imo until some other big chubaka comes along .
Carwin and Cain could both beat him. JDS could knock him out. Nog could beat him. Hell even UberMir might be able to beat him again. The guy ain't invincible.
Seriously? Nobody taking the bait?
Seriously? Nobody taking the bait?
I'm with you on JDS. I think he might be able to KO him.
Cain would get murdered.
Carwin . . . if he could land the right punch could maybe actually take it.
Nog? BAD style matchup for Nog. I'd take Brock all day over Nog.
Seriously? Nobody taking the bait?
LOL I went to take the dog a walk
I think the only person that has a great chance of beating Lesnar is :
Chuck Norris
but anything can happen in a fight .I mean Mir beat him once
Ah, Chuck Norris. . .
http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/wp-content/images/2007/08/bruce%20lee%20beats%20up%20chuck%20norris.jpg
Mr. IWS
01-02-2010, 10:09 AM
UberMir
::winna::
Went ahead and jumped on Nog at -145 for 1.5u. The main reason I didn't wait is that I noticed several other books and dropped down into the 140s and had bounced back up. It's hard to say what'll happen closer to fight time, but I think Nog will remain a favorite and won't go much lower, if at all.
GGarr
02-14-2010, 09:14 AM
Went ahead and jumped on Nog at -145 for 1.5u. The main reason I didn't wait is that I noticed several other books and dropped down into the 140s and had bounced back up. It's hard to say what'll happen closer to fight time, but I think Nog will remain a favorite and won't go much lower, if at all.
Nog is the underdog on Sportsbook (+105) and Bodog (-105) now.
I'm laying down a couple units on Nog at +105, but I fear Cain will blanket him for a decision.
GGarr
02-14-2010, 09:19 AM
Went ahead and jumped on Nog at -145 for 1.5u. The main reason I didn't wait is that I noticed several other books and dropped down into the 140s and had bounced back up. It's hard to say what'll happen closer to fight time, but I think Nog will remain a favorite and won't go much lower, if at all.
Nog is the underdog on Sportsbook (+105) and Bodog (-105) now.
I'm laying down a couple units on Nog at +105, but I fear Cain will blanket him for a decision.
Sorry for bumping an old thread. I'm on the net in some backwater village in China atm and until now was only able to open this one thread, which I had bookmarked.
Went ahead and jumped on Nog at -145 for 1.5u. The main reason I didn't wait is that I noticed several other books and dropped down into the 140s and had bounced back up. It's hard to say what'll happen closer to fight time, but I think Nog will remain a favorite and won't go much lower, if at all.
Nog is the underdog on Sportsbook (+105) and Bodog (-105) now.
I'm laying down a couple units on Nog at +105, but I fear Cain will blanket him for a decision.
Sorry for bumping an old thread. I'm on the net in some backwater village in China atm and until now was only able to open this one thread, which I had bookmarked.
You're in china? why? do you live there?
GGarr
02-14-2010, 08:00 PM
You're in china? why? do you live there?
My fiance is the one woman in all of China who doesn't want to move to the US, so until I can change her mind, aye, I live in China.
You're in china? why? do you live there?
My fiance is the one woman in all of China who doesn't want to move to the US, so until I can change her mind, aye, I live in China.
I understand . I thought maybe you were on vacation or on business in china,didnt realize you lived there ::handshake::
My fiance is the one woman in all of China who doesn't want to move to the US, so until I can change her mind, aye, I live in China.
Women in China want to move to the US?
You don't sound like you like it there a whole lot.
GGarr
02-15-2010, 02:21 AM
My fiance is the one woman in all of China who doesn't want to move to the US, so until I can change her mind, aye, I live in China.
Women in China want to move to the US?
You don't sound like you like it there a whole lot.
I'm not sure if your "Women in China want to move to the US" question is serious or not :P I shouldn't say I have the "one" who doesn't - there may be four or five others :P But seriously, after having met thousands of women age 18-35 here (I'm a Uni/Grad School Teacher) I would say at least 25% of women here would go to the US in a heartbeat, 50% would go if they married an American, and maybe 25% have too strong of family or cultural ties to leave.
Admittedly (though not unexpectedly), there are downfalls to living in a communist country half a world away from life as I've known to this point. I don't have any regrets, I just feel after having experienced several locations in both "East" and "West" long enough to give everything a fair shake, that we could have a much higher quality of life elsewhere.
I'm not sure if your "Women in China want to move to the US" question is serious or not :P
Oh, quite serious! Maybe I'll go over there and get one and bring her back. . .
Admittedly (though not unexpectedly), there are downfalls to living in a communist country half a world away from life as I've known to this point. I don't have any regrets, I just feel after having experienced several locations in both "East" and "West" long enough to give everything a fair shake, that we could have a much higher quality of life elsewhere.
Very interesting. I wouldn't mind hearing more about it. From a young age, I've been interested in Asian life, particularly Chinese and Japanese. Where exactly are you in China? A big city or some out of the way village?
GGarr
02-15-2010, 10:25 PM
I live in Xi'an, which has a population of over 8 million but is considered a "second tier' city here because of the huge population. Chinese New Year was two days ago so we came to my girlfriends hometown to visit her family. At present I'm in a knockoff Hilton Hotel. I actually can't decide if it's a knockoff Hilton or a knockoff Sheraton. The Chinese name is the name for Sheraton, but the stuff inside that has English says Hilton. Across the street is a fake Shangri-la and a fake Caesar's Palace. The only thing any of them have in common with their namesakes is the excessive use of neon lights.
Mr. IWS
02-16-2010, 12:06 PM
Very interesting Garr. Just curious, how did you find our forum?
I live in Xi'an, which has a population of over 8 million but is considered a "second tier' city here because of the huge population. Chinese New Year was two days ago so we came to my girlfriends hometown to visit her family. At present I'm in a knockoff Hilton Hotel. I actually can't decide if it's a knockoff Hilton or a knockoff Sheraton. The Chinese name is the name for Sheraton, but the stuff inside that has English says Hilton. Across the street is a fake Shangri-la and a fake Caesar's Palace. The only thing any of them have in common with their namesakes is the excessive use of neon lights.
Do you think you'd have a better experience if you lived in Beijing or Shanghai?
GGarr
02-18-2010, 02:04 AM
Very interesting Garr. Just curious, how did you find our forum?
I'm a huge MMA fan and a small time sports bettor. There is/was a thread on the ESPN.com MMA boards a few weeks ago talking about betting on MMA and someone mentioned this site as a place he goes for information, so I decided to check it out.
I probably would prefer to live in Shanghai or Beijing, but only if I could find a position with a salary that was proportional with the cost of living jump, which with the competition (that's where *every* foreigner in China wants to be) is nearly impossible. If I were in a small city I would be desperate to go to Shanghai or Beijing, but Xi'an is a tourist destination and has 8 million people so there are WalMarts, McDonalds, etc. here too.
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