View Full Version : Strikceforce CBS April 17th fights /discussion
It's pretty clear to me that I had no business betting on this card.
Who are you on?
I'm glad I didn't bet it. I would've been on Mousasi, Aoki, and Henderson.
Svino
04-17-2010, 10:25 PM
OK Gil, you've just won three rounds against a superior submission artist. Now gimmie your best Silva vs. Maia impression.
These guys are the worst announcers in the world. Just embarrassingly bad.
gus johnson is a basketball announcer is why,he does the NCAA tourney every year
It's pretty clear to me that I had no business betting on this card.
Who are you on?
I'm glad I didn't bet it. I would've been on Mousasi, Aoki, and Henderson.
he bet Aoki,Mousasi,Shields
OK Gil, you've just won three rounds against a superior submission artist. Now gimmie your best Silva vs. Maia impression.
::lmao:: I love it
These guys are the worst announcers in the world. Just embarrassingly bad.
gus johnson is a basketball announcer is why,he does the NCAA tourney every year
He sucks shit there too.
"Kentucky up by a penny!"
Fucking kill yourself.
Hate him.
And not just Gus, Frank Shamrock is a retarded fucking momo as well.
Who are you on?
I'm glad I didn't bet it. I would've been on Mousasi, Aoki, and Henderson.
3u on Mousasi
1u on Aoki
.25u on Shields
Who are you on?
I'm glad I didn't bet it. I would've been on Mousasi, Aoki, and Henderson.
3u on Mousasi
1u on Aoki
.25u on Shields
Oh man.
And not just Gus, Frank Shamrock is a retarded fucking momo as well.
Shamrock is a big tard
BTW this "if I put my knee down you can't kick me in the head" rule exploitation makes me want to die. I hate when the shitty rules become glaringly evident.
And why is the butt scoot not allowed? Too much intervention. This fight already sucks enough.
Oh well, I dislike Aoki and I like Gil.
I stopped giving a fuck after losing the Mousasi bet.
Oh well, I dislike Aoki and I like Gil.
I stopped giving a fuck after losing the Mousasi bet.
Crazy time bet it all on Hendo,time to chase SPX
Ludocain scored this 3-2 Aoki
No I gave it 5-0 to Melendez as well, Aoki couldn't get anything going here.
If Hendo doesn't brutally kill Shields in the first couple rounds this is the last we'll see of Strikeforce on CBS.
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 10:42 PM
So I am pretty sure Melendez covered my Mousasi bet (it was only one unit).
I got 0.5 unit on Shields, let's go Shields!!
Svino
04-17-2010, 10:42 PM
BTW this "if I put my knee down you can't kick me in the head" rule exploitation makes me want to die. I hate when the shitty rules become glaringly evident.
And why is the butt scoot not allowed? Too much intervention. This fight already sucks enough.
I especially hate it when it becomes "put my hand down and you can't kick me."
I think the butt-scoot-chase is not allowed because, when combined with the banning of stomps and soccer kicks to the head, you could really end up with a farce of a fight where one guy chases the other around the ring scooting on his butt for the whole fight.
Crazy time bet it all on Hendo,time to chase SPX
Ha ha.
I am tempted to up my Shields bet to 1.25u. If he were to win then it that would cover my losses. But like everyone else here, I don't think he's going to win.
If Hendo doesn't brutally kill Shields in the first couple rounds this is the last we'll see of Strikeforce on CBS.
I say KO in round two so they can keep under the 2 hour time slot.Its all according to the script
I guess Aoki's gotta go back home now and face the music. Maybe he'll shut the fuck up now about how "strong" Japanese MMA is.
He was gracious in defeat though, and he did have the balls to come over here and fight in the first place, so I guess I have to give him that.
BTW this "if I put my knee down you can't kick me in the head" rule exploitation makes me want to die. I hate when the shitty rules become glaringly evident.
And why is the butt scoot not allowed? Too much intervention. This fight already sucks enough.
I especially hate it when it becomes "put my hand down and you can't kick me."
I think the butt-scoot-chase is not allowed because, when combined with the banning of stomps and soccer kicks to the head, you could really end up with a farce of a fight where one guy chases the other around the ring scooting on his butt for the whole fight.
That makes sense.
However it only enrages me further.
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 10:45 PM
Guys, I am irate over Mousasi right now. Was his gameplan seriously to lay on his back and look like he didn't care?
Turning the Celtics game on.
Turning the Celtics game on.
thats not over?
dont you mean Utah-Denver?
Shit there was just a better fight between Kevin Garnett and the entire Heat bench.
Hendo better win because Pavlik fight is getting ready to start and I didnt bet it.Oh well I was only going to put .5 to 1 unit on Pavlik and I wasnt that sure
Shit there was just a better fight between Kevin Garnett and the entire Heat bench.
Me thinks youre pulling our legs
Shit there was just a better fight between Kevin Garnett and the entire Heat bench.
Me thinks youre pulling our legs
Nah he just got ejected. There's 40 seconds left. He blasted this dude in the grill with an elbow.
Guys, I am irate over Mousasi right now. Was his gameplan seriously to lay on his back and look like he didn't care?
Don't even get me started on him.
His gameplan was apparently to be a piece of shit.
Guys, I am irate over Mousasi right now. Was his gameplan seriously to lay on his back and look like he didn't care?
Don't even get me started on him.
His gameplan was apparently to be a piece of shit.
You go crazy on Hendo yet?
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 10:56 PM
Guys, I am irate over Mousasi right now. Was his gameplan seriously to lay on his back and look like he didn't care?
Don't even get me started on him.
His gameplan was apparently to be a piece of shit.
I am lucky I only put a unit on him, I was gonna lay 5 down.
But King Mo didn't impress me much, even in winning. Who will he get next in the LHW division? Hendo? Mousasi again?
You go crazy on Hendo yet?
If he had anything close to a bettable line then I might. . .
I am lucky I only put a unit on him, I was gonna lay 5 down.
But King Mo didn't impress me much, even in winning. Who will he get next in the LHW division? Hendo? Mousasi again?
He should go fight Lyoto.
Tonight's gonna prove that UFC>Strikeforce>DREAM
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 11:00 PM
I am lucky I only put a unit on him, I was gonna lay 5 down.
But King Mo didn't impress me much, even in winning. Who will he get next in the LHW division? Hendo? Mousasi again?
He should go fight Lyoto.
Instead of trying to counter elusiveness, he will just charge in. Just like instead of trying to stuff a takedown and scramble from his back, he layed there saying "just lay n pray, I don't want to win SPX and poopoo333 any money."
Jon Jones would fuck either of these cats up 9 ways from sunday. Sorry to say neither looked impressive tonight, even though Mo clearly took the fight, he was just as gassed as Mousasi was.
But he did want to win Ludo money ::winna::
Jon Jones would fuck either of these cats up 9 ways from sunday. Sorry to say neither looked impressive tonight, even though Mo clearly took the fight, he was just as gassed as Mousasi was.
But he did want to win Ludo money ::winna::
Never said it but nice call Ludo ::clap::
Jon Jones would fuck either of these cats up 9 ways from sunday. Sorry to say neither looked impressive tonight, even though Mo clearly took the fight, he was just as gassed as Mousasi was.
But he did want to win Ludo money ::winna::
The fucked up things is that on lines where there's a heavy underdog and the result is questionable I usually go with the underdog. But Mousasi's looked like such a killer and Mo is still so new to the sport, so I said fuck it.
Svino
04-17-2010, 11:04 PM
Apparently Renato and King Mo train together, so even that option is out. Unless they want to make up a fight with Sokoudjou, the LHW belt might sit on the shelf for a while.
Damn, Shields looks like a boy in the cage with a man.
10-8
Nah, not with an attempted heel hook and successful takedown.
Hendo took round 2 off ::thumbdown::
Wow, impressive round for Shields.
I guess he's still in this fight.
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 11:16 PM
If Frank Shamrock scored that round, Hendo would have won 10-5.
It sucks rooting against Hendo, but money is money!
Svino
04-17-2010, 11:16 PM
Fans, journalists, and bloggers love to call 10-8 and 10-10 rounds. Athletic commission judges rarely do. Personally, I'd like to see more of them.
By the way, it's pretty obvious that Shields hits like a huge pussy.
Oh lord.
Shields is going to win this. Dan is gassed.
Oh lord.
Shields is going to win this. Dan is gassed.
yep
Wishing I had gone ahead and ramped up that Shields bet, but it only takes one big punch and there are still two rounds left, so who knows.
round 3 to Shields as well, I got him winning this fight 29-28 so far
Wishing I had gone ahead and ramped up that Shields bet, but it only takes one big punch and there are still two rounds left, so who knows.
He's not knocking Shields out with no gas. He needs to get the takedown and lay on Shields for the last 2 rounds to win.
Wow this is looking very very bad
Wow this is looking very very bad
Christ they're both gassed. Fucking amateur hour.
And people think this guy stands a chance against GSP.
Did Hendo forget how to fight or get old overnight?
Christ this ones going to hurt
Did Hendo forget how to fight or get old overnight?
Weight cut, ring rust, etc.
I knew he'd be in trouble on his back.
Well on a side note, I bought Speed Racer today on Blu-Ray for $9.99.
Well on a side note, I bought Speed Racer today on Blu-Ray for $9.99.
What? ::lmao::
Christ this ones going to hurt
Oh shit you're on Hendo. Sorry.
Shields is taking this fight.
What? ::lmao::
Ha ha. Was just changing the subject.
But I did find that awesome deal at Best Buy. I was very surprised.
On a side note, I'm glad to see you have it scored exactly like I do, Luke.
That takedown spells the end.
Another takedown thats it ::thumbdown::
:burn:
On a side note, I'm glad to see you have it scored exactly like I do, Luke.
A blind man could score this fight
On a side note, I'm glad to see you have it scored exactly like I do, Luke.
A blind man could score this fight
I mean with the 10-8s
And people think this guy stands a chance against GSP.
GSP wins his fights by outwrestling his opponent.
Can he outwrestle Shields? I'm honestly not sure.
And people think this guy stands a chance against GSP.
GSP wins his fights by outwrestling his opponent.
Can he outwrestle Shields? I'm honestly not sure.
Haha are you fucking serious?
You can't be. About any of that.
yeah he could. He's too athletic for shields.
And what the hell, why did CBS show a rerun of UFC 33 tonight?
Svino
04-17-2010, 11:35 PM
And people think this guy stands a chance against GSP.
GSP wins his fights by outwrestling his opponent.
Can he outwrestle Shields? I'm honestly not sure.
Even if GSP couldn't take Shields down (and I think he could), I'm confident he could at least keep the fight mostly standing.
Haha are you fucking serious?
You can't be. About any of that.
No one thought Shields would win this fight either. . .
Haha are you fucking serious?
You can't be. About any of that.
No one thoughts Shields would win this fight either. . .
Have fun playing the "anything can happen" card.
GSP by whatever he wants.
I think saying "GSP wins by wrestling" was the worst part of your post.
Everyone said He had a chance if he could get past the first couple of rounds and survive the bomb long enough to get the takedowns he needed to work his game. Thats exactly what he did.
Have fun playing the "anything can happen" card.
GSP by whatever he wants.
I'm saying that it might be surprising.
Everyone said He had a chance if he could get past the first couple of rounds and survive the bomb long enough to get the takedowns he needed to work his game. Thats exactly what he did.
I didn't run into many people who really thought he had a chance. . .
BOL Mayhem earning his nickname.
Svino
04-17-2010, 11:39 PM
WTF. CBS will love that. Combined with the kinda boring card...
What the fuck just happened?
My shit went black and then it was mayhem.
LITERALLY!
ROFL wtf just happened!
Miller came in asking for a rematch and started a fight with everyone ::lmao::
he had to be restrained
You guys missed that ?LOL
That had to have been a Nick Diaz special
Did he throw a punch or what exactly happened?
Everyone knew he had a chance, it was just a small chance given Hendo's skill set.
Did you see the guys trying to pull security off of Mayhem throwing liver punches and shit? That was insane!
You guys missed that ?LOL
I saw it.
Mayhem popped up and said 'wheres my rematch' then it panned out, and it came back and everyone was hitting him. I guarantee Nick started that.
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 11:41 PM
OMG!!! Ridiculous though. Shields' team vs Mayhem in the cage.
BUT SPX WE WON ON SHIELDS!!!!
Did he throw a punch or what exactly happened?
Yeah and then the whole shields clan attacked him
On that note, I rewatched their first fight together and Mayhem straight up would've choked him out with more time.
Shit that was Miller vs Nate, Nick, AND Melendez.
OMG!!! Ridiculous though. Shields' team vs Mayhem in the cage.
BUT SPX WE WON ON SHIELDS!!!!
We did, sir. We did.
I only wish I had ramped up my bet.
A moral victory for me, but I'm still a good bit down for the night.
You're up though, right?
Mayhem stepped in on the post fight interview and took the mic to talk about a rematch, Shields pushed him and then Mayhem tried to knock everyone else out.
On a side note I end the night +3.3u
Sherdog blew up. I get "server too busy" if I try to get there.
On a side note I end the night +3.3u
Good job, yo.
side not down 6 units
I taped this and am rewatching the chaos.there were 8 or 9 people on Miller at one time holding him down,punching him or kicking him
side not down 6 units
Sucks.
Does it make me a bad friend that I'm somewhat consoled that I'm not the only one who had a shitty night?
I taped this and am rewatching the chaos.there were 8 or 9 people on Miller at one time holding him down,punching him or kicking him
Mayhem should've brought his corner with him.
Thewiseman
04-17-2010, 11:52 PM
Lost 4u. Made 2u off Melendez and Mo, then Exactly what I was afraid of happened, Hendo got tired. Lost 7.9u on Hendo. And there goes my wiseman special.
Cesar Gracie camp p4p most gangster thugs in MMA.
Mo was still eating ice chips and rehydrating via IV
side not down 6 units
Sucks.
Does it make me a bad friend that I'm somewhat consoled that I'm not the only one who had a shitty night?
I taped this and am rewatching the chaos.there were 8 or 9 people on Miller at one time holding him down,punching him or kicking him
Mayhem should've brought his corner with him.
My own fault .I got greedy .I should have only made this a 1 unit play.
Shields actually started the craziness by pushing Miller.I honestly thought this fight would go how round 1 did
Mo was still eating ice chips and rehydrating via IV
was that in round 2 or 3?
My own fault .I got greedy .I should have only made this a 1 unit play.
Shields actually started the craziness by pushing Miller.I honestly thought this fight would go how round 1 did
You handle losses a lot better than I do.
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 11:59 PM
2-1
+2.61 units.
And Mousasi ruined that parlay. If he is the only loser on that original bet, I am going to find Mousasi and put him in a locked room with a group of NCAA wrestling champs.
My own fault .I got greedy .I should have only made this a 1 unit play.
Shields actually started the craziness by pushing Miller.I honestly thought this fight would go how round 1 did
You handle losses a lot better than I do.
Cant go on tilt thats how I use to bet and how I use to lose my bankroll time and time again.
There's nothing you can do expect go on to the next fight.I'm not even mad,more disappointed than anything
RIP Strikeforce.
Was it really that bad of an event?
Mousasi/Mo sucked, but Gil dominated, and Shields pulled the upset.
Not every fight can have a knock out.
:)
12 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/DanaWhite
RIP Strikeforce.
Was it really that bad of an event?
Mousasi/Mo sucked, but Gil dominated, and Shields pulled the upset.
Not every fight can have a knock out.
I don't know. I thought it was terrible. All 3 fights were completely boring at point. All 3 guys I wanted to win lost. The "mayhem" after the card.
Trainwreck.
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:05 AM
Yeah, Dana doesn't care if something harms the reputation of MMA, as long as it hurts his competitors more than it hurts him.
:)
12 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/DanaWhite
The problem is that it's hard to determine if Hendo losing is a good thing. After all, Hendo just shut down Bisping and beat Franklin--both current UFC fighters--so what does it say that he lost to Jake Shields?
:)
12 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/DanaWhite
The problem is that it's hard to determine if Hendo losing is a good thing. After all, Hendo just shut down Bisping and beat Franklin--both current UFC fighters--so what does it say that he lost to Jake Shields?
Pretty sure he's referring to the overall atrocity.
Like I said a few posts above, I don't think it was a bad event. In fact, I think it was an improvement over past CBS events in that the commercials were kept under control this time.
As for the craziness at the end, hell, that's gotta be good for ratings. . .
poopoo333
04-18-2010, 12:10 AM
Sorry to all the guys that lost majorly on Hendo by the way. My half unit gone would have been better then all of your guys' major bets.
Like I said a few posts above, I don't think it was a bad event. In fact, I think it was an improvement over past CBS events in that the commercials were kept under control this time.
As for the craziness at the end, hell, that's gotta be good for ratings. . .
I'm not sure I even like MMA anymore after that bullshit.
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:12 AM
OK, imagine this: What if all of the championship fights from UFC 111, UFC 112, and Strikeforce Nashville had been three round fights instead of 5 rounders? Don't you think that would have massively boosted the entertainment value of each card? Fans can usually take a boring 3 round fight; it's when they also have to sit through two extra rounds of lopsided top control or dancing around that it feels intolerable. Fights rarely get finished in the 4th and especially 5th rounds anyway. Maybe they should just kill the 5-round fight idea.
I'm not sure I even like MMA anymore after that bullshit.
What the fuck?
Like I said a few posts above, I don't think it was a bad event. In fact, I think it was an improvement over past CBS events in that the commercials were kept under control this time.
As for the craziness at the end, hell, that's gotta be good for ratings. . .
I'm not sure I even like MMA anymore after that bullshit.
Like it or not MMA is turning into the new WWE.With signings of James Toney,Walker ,Kimbo,Lesnar,Lashley its all about entertainment anymore than the fighting
Just rewatched the chaos Jason Miller asked where his rematch was then Shield pushed Miller,then Gilbert Melendez pushed Miller,Jake Shields then punched Miller and Miller tired to hit everyone in the Shield camp.Then Diaz and the rest of Shields camp rushed Miller and took him to the ground while they punched and kicked Miller.Once Miller was on the ground up to 7 of Shields camp were punching/kicking him at the sametime while 2 staff and one looks like promoter tried to break it up
OK, imagine this: What if all of the championship fights from UFC 111, UFC 112, and Strikeforce Nashville had been three round fights instead of 5 rounders? Don't you think that would have massively boosted the entertainment value of each card? Fans can usually take a boring 3 round fight; it's when they also have to sit through two extra rounds of lopsided top control or dancing around that it feels intolerable. Fights rarely get finished in the 4th and especially 5th rounds anyway. Maybe they should just kill the 5-round fight idea.
I think the problem was moreso that this was amateur hour. King Mo, Mousasi, Hendo, and Shields were all gassed in the 3rd round.
At least two debates have been settled.
1. American MMA>Japanese MMA
2. No way would Aoki even get BJ Penn to break a sweat.
Just rewatched the chaos Jason Miller asked where his rematch was then Shield pushed Miller,then Gilbert Melendez pushed Miller,Jake Shields then punched Miller and Miller tired to hit everyone in the Shield camp.Then Diaz and the rest of Shields camp rushed Miller and took him to the ground while they punched and kicked Miller.Once Miller was on the ground up to 7 of Shields camp were punching/kicking him at the sametime while 2 staff and one looks like promoter tried to break it up
Don't think Shields punched Miller. It looked like Nate Diaz over his back.
Like it or not MMA is turning into the new WWE.With signings of James Toney,Walker ,Kimbo,Lesnar,Lashley its all about entertainment anymore than the fighting
I like to have some showmanship.
Honestly, I don't ever want to see MMA go 100% mainstream. It's not boxing, it's not the NFL, it's not the NBA. That shit with Mayhem? I loved it. MMA should always retain a degree of irreverence to keep it at least mildly offensive to average people.
At least two debates have been settled.
1. American MMA>Japanese MMA
2. No way would Aoki even get BJ Penn to break a sweat.
BJ Penn? Aoki would probably lose to Manny Gamburyan.
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:19 AM
I had to laugh at the little bit of damage control attempted in the post fight interview. Shields tried to apologize and the interviewer sort of cut him off with a "- yeah, let's not focus on that".
The annoucers were the best
"what the ?" and "my god" ::lmao::
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:22 AM
At least two debates have been settled.
1. American MMA>Japanese MMA
2. No way would Aoki even get BJ Penn to break a sweat.
Yes, apparently Japanese MMA is a colony of American MMA now. I wonder who we should appoint as our viceroy.
The annoucers were the best
"what the ?" and "my god" ::lmao::
The Strikeforce announcers are shit. No one can touch Goldie and Rogan.
The annoucers were the best
"what the ?" and "my god" ::lmao::
The Strikeforce announcers are shit. No one can touch Goldie and Rogan.
The worst part about that statement is that Goldie and Rogan suck complete ass. Rogan is good when he's talking about jiujitsu, but that's it.
The strikeforce team make them look like prodigies.
Yes, apparently Japanese MMA is a colony of American MMA now. I wonder who we should appoint as our viceroy.
I hate that Gil was the favorite here because I would've totally bet him as the underdog. I've been a Gil fan for a while. Glad to see him totally derail the Aoki hype train. I wonder where Aoki's going to go in the rankings. . .
Just rewatched the chaos Jason Miller asked where his rematch was then Shield pushed Miller,then Gilbert Melendez pushed Miller,Jake Shields then punched Miller and Miller tired to hit everyone in the Shield camp.Then Diaz and the rest of Shields camp rushed Miller and took him to the ground while they punched and kicked Miller.Once Miller was on the ground up to 7 of Shields camp were punching/kicking him at the sametime while 2 staff and one looks like promoter tried to break it up
Don't think Shields punched Miller. It looked like Nate Diaz over his back.
Yeah Shields punched him in the top of his head I watched it in slo mo
The worst part about that statement is that Goldie and Rogan suck complete ass. Rogan is good when he's talking about jiujitsu, but that's it.
The strikeforce team make them look like prodigies.
Dude, you DO need to stop watching MMA then if that's how you feel. I'm about to knock you the fuck out of this forum.
Goldie and Rogan are the princes of MMA commentary. NO ONE can touch them. They are fucking awesome. Anytime I watch a non-UFC event I cringe at the announcing and am forced to think about the excellence of Goldie and Rogan.
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:27 AM
The Strikeforce announcers are shit. No one can touch Goldie and Rogan.
They're lucky it wasn't a more submission-oriented card. There weren't that many sub attempts and I heard at least two called wrong. That said, I think Goldberg is awful. I'd like to see him replaced, maybe with someone who really knows striking.
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:28 AM
I hate that Gil was the favorite here because I would've totally bet him as the underdog. I've been a Gil fan for a while. Glad to see him totally derail the Aoki hype train. I wonder where Aoki's going to go in the rankings. . .
Gil made a believer out of me when he cost me money by dominating Ishida in the rematch.
From the Diaz brothers' facebook.
"For those that people think this shit's a game. Mayhem Miller trying to steal Jake's spotlight? Walk up on our camp like that? The clown got beat down."
The worst part about that statement is that Goldie and Rogan suck complete ass. Rogan is good when he's talking about jiujitsu, but that's it.
The strikeforce team make them look like prodigies.
Dude, you DO need to stop watching MMA then if that's how you feel. I'm about to knock you the fuck out of this forum.
Goldie and Rogan are the princes of MMA commentary. NO ONE can touch them. They are fucking awesome. Anytime I watch a non-UFC event I cringe at the announcing and am forced to think about the excellence of Goldie and Rogan.
They are godawful. There is NO good MMA commentating. Everytime Goldie speaks I want to LHK the TV off the wall.
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:30 AM
From the Diaz brothers' facebook.
"For those that people think this shit's a game. Mayhem Miller trying to steal Jake's spotlight? Walk up on our camp like that? The clown got beat down."
Technically, what they did was assault. I would advise them to STFU.
Just rewatched the chaos Jason Miller asked where his rematch was then Shield pushed Miller,then Gilbert Melendez pushed Miller,Jake Shields then punched Miller and Miller tired to hit everyone in the Shield camp.Then Diaz and the rest of Shields camp rushed Miller and took him to the ground while they punched and kicked Miller.Once Miller was on the ground up to 7 of Shields camp were punching/kicking him at the sametime while 2 staff and one looks like promoter tried to break it up
Don't think Shields punched Miller. It looked like Nate Diaz over his back.
Maybe it was meant to be a push I rewatched it again .Shield left hand kinda grabs Millers shirt and his right makes contact with Millers head but not sure if it was meant to be a punched or a push.You decide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjLjUdcZTSA
From the Diaz brothers' facebook.
"For those that people think this shit's a game. Mayhem Miller trying to steal Jake's spotlight? Walk up on our camp like that? The clown got beat down."
Technically, what they did was assault. I would advise them to STFU.
Yeah, technically they're fucking idiots. I hope they keep it up and get arrested.
Maybe it was meant to be a push I rewatched it again .Shield left hand kinda grabs Millers shirt and his right makes contact with Millers head but not sure if it was meant to be a punched or a push.You decide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjLjUdcZTSA
Shields doesn't need to be punching anybody.
He's not very good at it.
From the Diaz brothers' facebook.
"For those that people think this shit's a game. Mayhem Miller trying to steal Jake's spotlight? Walk up on our camp like that? The clown got beat down."
Technically, what they did was assault. I would advise them to STFU.
Exactly easily 7 of them could get charged .Especially the blonde moron kicking Miller while he was face down with 5 guys holding him down
Just rewatched the chaos Jason Miller asked where his rematch was then Shield pushed Miller,then Gilbert Melendez pushed Miller,Jake Shields then punched Miller and Miller tired to hit everyone in the Shield camp.Then Diaz and the rest of Shields camp rushed Miller and took him to the ground while they punched and kicked Miller.Once Miller was on the ground up to 7 of Shields camp were punching/kicking him at the sametime while 2 staff and one looks like promoter tried to break it up
Don't think Shields punched Miller. It looked like Nate Diaz over his back.
Maybe it was meant to be a push I rewatched it again .Shield left hand kinda grabs Millers shirt and his right makes contact with Millers head but not sure if it was meant to be a punched or a push.You decide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjLjUdcZTSA
All I see is Nate and Nick going buck wild and throwin down for Stockton. Need the slowmo.
They are godawful. There is NO good MMA commentating. Everytime Goldie speaks I want to LHK the TV off the wall.
Goldie provides comic relief while Rogan provides technical insight. I think they make an awesome team. I love it.
As for other commentators, Bas is okay.
At least two debates have been settled.
1. American MMA>Japanese MMA
2. No way would Aoki even get BJ Penn to break a sweat.
Who cares about Penn ,he's not even champ.
Lets see Gilbert-Frankie ::winna::
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:34 AM
They are godawful. There is NO good MMA commentating. Everytime Goldie speaks I want to LHK the TV off the wall.
I don't mind Rogan. And you know who was decent the few times I've heard him? Randy Couture. Maybe he should retire and go into commentating.
Looking back, one of the things that makes the early UFCs so fun was just how completely ignorant the announcers were. They had not clue what was going on in front of them, but they were loving it. I had totally forgotten that one of those guys was Brian Kilmeade until someone pointed it out after his wacky BJ Penn interview.
Gil made a believer out of me when he cost me money by dominating Ishida in the rematch.
Yeah, I had money on Gil in that fight.
Unfortunately, I didn't bet on him in his second fight with Thomson (I stayed away completely) and I didn't bet on him here. Not sure what the fuck's wrong with me.
Not his lines are going to be insane. I am a fool.
They are godawful. There is NO good MMA commentating. Everytime Goldie speaks I want to LHK the TV off the wall.
Goldie provides comic relief while Rogan provides technical insight. I think they make an awesome team. I love it.
As for other commentators, Bas is okay.
Joe Rogan is a huge douchebag he's the Gus Johnson of MMA ,always overdoing everything.Heres Joe Rogan:
"Hes got him in a choke hold!!!Its really really deep!!! He's not going to get out!!!!This might be over !!!! oh he's out"
He overdoes everything.Anytime I am rewatching fights I turn the sound off because you cant judge a fight right listening to him because he's always blowing one of the fighters and trying to make them sound 10X better than they are fighting
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:40 AM
Well let's not lose sight of the real issue here: If Aoki had his magic rainbow pants, he would have beaten Gil by flying armrape in round 1.
They are godawful. There is NO good MMA commentating. Everytime Goldie speaks I want to LHK the TV off the wall.
I don't mind Rogan. And you know who was decent the few times I've heard him? Randy Couture. Maybe he should retire and go into commentating.
Looking back, one of the things that makes the early UFCs so fun was just how completely ignorant the announcers were. They had not clue what was going on in front of them, but they were loving it. I had totally forgotten that one of those guys was Brian Kilmeade until someone pointed it out after his wacky BJ Penn interview.
Randy ain't bad. Why doesn't the UFC do guest commentating in main events anymore?
You know who I really liked? Jens Pulver filling in for Frank Mir at the WEC that one time.
Randy ain't bad. Why doesn't the UFC do guest commentating in main events anymore?
You know who I really liked? Jens Pulver filling in for Frank Mir at the WEC that one time.
It's interesting you mention that, because when I was talking to Jens the other day he actually brought of commentating (as some MMA-related shit he could do beyond fighting) and he said he really enjoyed it and thought that he could do it in a way that regular people could understand better than Mir, who is too technical.
Well let's not lose sight of the real issue here: If Aoki had his magic rainbow pants, he would have beaten Gil by flying armrape in round 1.
and if Hendo planned on doing nothing the last 4 rounds he should have went all out in round one and he might have KO'd Shields.and if Mousasi realized he was fighting today he might have won lol
Was Dana White laughing at the fact Hendo got his ass kicked or the chaos after the fight?
Svino
04-18-2010, 12:56 AM
if Hendo planned on doing nothing the last 4 rounds he should have went all out in round one and he might have KO'd Shields.and if Mousasi realized he was fighting today he might have won lol
Yeah, it's interesting when you realize that we were very close to having Hendo finish that fight right away and leaving the night with a completely different picture of his and Shields' abilities. That's the kind of stuff that makes MMA so hard to predict.
Good analogy for Mousasi. He fought like he had totally forgotten about the fight and his buddies had to get him out of bed and rush him to the arena.
Randy ain't bad. Why doesn't the UFC do guest commentating in main events anymore?
You know who I really liked? Jens Pulver filling in for Frank Mir at the WEC that one time.
It's interesting you mention that, because when I was talking to Jens the other day he actually brought of commentating (as some MMA-related shit he could do beyond fighting) and he said he really enjoyed it and thought that he could do it in a way that regular people could understand better than Mir, who is too technical.
Yeah he offered a unique perspective. WEC 39 btw, Brown vs Garcia.
Yeah, it's interesting when you realize that we were very close to having Hendo finish that fight right away and leaving the night with a completely different picture of his and Shields' abilities. That's the kind of stuff that makes MMA so hard to predict.
I thought about that, too.
I thought about that, too.
I'm trying NOT to think about that
Yeah, it's interesting when you realize that we were very close to having Hendo finish that fight right away and leaving the night with a completely different picture of his and Shields' abilities. That's the kind of stuff that makes MMA so hard to predict.
I thought about that, too.
Damn I just rewatched this shit and now I cant believe Hendo didnt stop him in the first lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgRDq-uvK_k
If Shields had any power at all he would have stopped Hendo
Congrads on Shields SPX glad you hit.I guess I got Marquardt'd ::handshake::
Congrads on Shields SPX glad you hit.I guess I got Marquardt'd ::handshake::
Dude, we both got Marquardt'd. My bet on Shields was only .25u. You lost on Hendo and I lost on Mousasi.
We should follow that dude on the video who predicted upsets for both Mo and Shields . . . we should follow his picks from now on.
Congrads on Shields SPX glad you hit.I guess I got Marquardt'd ::handshake::
Dude, we both got Marquardt'd. My bet on Shields was only .25u. You lost on Hendo and I lost on Mousasi.
We should follow that dude on the video who predicted upsets for both Mo and Shields . . . we should follow his picks from now on.
What dude on what video?
BTW I'm copyrighting the term Marquardt'd ::handshake::
What dude on what video?
The dude on the video I posted earlier where he was talking about Hendo's "injury." If you watch the whole thing then he predicts wins or both Mo and Shields.
BTW I'm copyrighting the term Marquardt'd ::handshake::
It's a good term. . .
What dude on what video?
The dude on the video I posted earlier where he was talking about Hendo's "injury." If you watch the whole thing then he predicts wins or both Mo and Shields.
BTW I'm copyrighting the term Marquardt'd ::handshake::
It's a good term. . .
I didnt watch the full video ,only skipped to the part about Hendo
oh steve confield,that guys an idiot .He's just another sportswriter or radio show guy thats wrong half the time.He had Mir in a easy win over Carwin ,nuff said ::handshake::
Ok its 2am here I'm going to watch an episode of Dexter and hit the sack.Yes I finally downloaded it I'm on episode 6 of season 1.I have to say its strange and kinda creepy but for some reason I find it interesting.
Ok its 2am here I'm going to watch an episode of Dexter and hit the sack.Yes I finally downloaded it I'm on episode 6 of season 1.I have to say its strange and kinda creepy but for some reason I find it interesting.
Ha ha ha! Dude, that's awesome! Dexter's a fucking GREAT show!
I'm still waiting for Season 4 to come out on Blu-Ray before I watch it. (Yes, you should watch the seasons in order from beginning to end.)
I've also really been getting into Spartacus lately. That show is fucking BAD ASS.
Congrads on Shields SPX glad you hit.I guess I got Marquardt'd ::handshake::
Dude, we both got Marquardt'd. My bet on Shields was only .25u. You lost on Hendo and I lost on Mousasi.
We should follow that dude on the video who predicted upsets for both Mo and Shields . . . we should follow his picks from now on.
What dude on what video?
BTW I'm copyrighting the term Marquardt'd ::handshake::
Fuck you, I came up with the term Marquardt'd on the UFN21, and Year to date threads
Fuck you, I came up with the term Marquardt'd on the UFN21, and Year to date threads
Uh oh, we're getting into copyright law here. . .!
Fuck you, I came up with the term Marquardt'd on the UFN21, and Year to date threads
Ok I'm going to need to see sources or links to actual posts because the only thing I have ever seen you post is:Marquardted
I'm getting "Marquardt'd" copyrighted
Big difference when were talking millions of dollars in royalties
Heres the picture showing Sheilds getting ready to hit Miller. I said he grabbed his shirt with his left hand and hit him in the head with his right.I love HD slow mo lol Good picture imo
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/T1_0417_shieldsmills.jpg
Alright, after a check through every thread I can remember using the term on, I'll concede that I came up with "Marquardted" and you came up with "Marquardt'd"... But if I catch you slipping you owe Me a nickel every time.
Alright, after a check through every thread I can remember using the term on, I'll concede that I came up with "Marquardted" and you came up with "Marquardt'd"... But if I catch you slipping you owe Me a nickel every time.
Deal ::handshake::
Lol look at Nick Diaz. What a bunch of thugs.
Not good ratings last night:
The stats show that ratings actually dropped during the last half hour of the show’s alloted two hour time-slot on CBS – though in fact the show actually ran on longer than that so we will have to wait until later on in the week to find out how the rest of the show fared.
To give you a rough idea of where those numbers compare to previous MMA events on the CBS network. Please note these are the final ratings for these events which tend to be higher than the overnights.
• Third EliteXC on CBS: Averaged 4.56 million
• Strikeforce: Fedor Vs Rogers On CBS: Averaged 4.042 million (3.79 million in the overnights)
• Strikeforce Nashville: Averaged 2.63 million (based on the overnights)
The figures do not bode well for Strikeforce’s long-term future on the CBS network
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/214aveu.jpg
Mr. IWS
04-18-2010, 02:05 PM
Some reaction from super brawl 2010
Mayhem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOZ5afm5 ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOZ5afm5Ciw&feature=player_embedded)
Diaz (apparently, he dont know what happened, and he was getting punched and kicked)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYtWuWs ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYtWuWshYM&feature=player_embedded)
Coker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaN1cr8F ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaN1cr8Fmas&feature=player_embedded)
Was Hendo drained from losing weight?Is that why he gassed so fast? I just read he had to lose 18 pounds in 2 days to make 185
Svino
04-18-2010, 02:45 PM
Was Hendo drained from losing weight?Is that why he gassed so fast? I just read he had to lose 18 pounds in 2 days to make 185
I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe it was just me, but I thought he actually looked kinda chunky. More like his usual LHW fight figure.
Was Hendo drained from losing weight?Is that why he gassed so fast? I just read he had to lose 18 pounds in 2 days to make 185
I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe it was just me, but I thought he actually looked kinda chunky. More like his usual LHW fight figure.
I thought he looked chunky but I thought it was because he was standing beside Shields whos a smaller man.
Svino
04-18-2010, 04:22 PM
Heres the picture showing Sheilds getting ready to hit Miller. I said he grabbed his shirt with his left hand and hit him in the head with his right.I love HD slow mo lol Good picture imo
Looks like Shields is thinking, "I got your 'rematch' right here!"
MMA_scientist
04-19-2010, 09:18 AM
Pretty sure I invented the term Marquarted, I also own the rights to any variants, such as "Marquart'd."
I have been getting Marquarted a lot teh last few weeks. Why did Hendo come in out of shape? I really thought he would be able to stuff those takedowns much more effectively. Or at least have some success getting to his feet.
I am doing something wrong, because I have been stagnant over the last several months. I need to bet fewer fights I think, I am wiping out my winnings on every card.
Time to re-group and come back to my old conservative style.
I am doing something wrong, because I have been stagnant over the last several months. I need to bet fewer fights I think, I am wiping out my winnings on every card.
Time to re-group and come back to my old conservative style.
I thought you already did that. . .
Thewiseman
04-19-2010, 11:34 AM
YTD +16.28u
MMA_scientist
04-19-2010, 11:58 AM
I thought you already did that. . .
No, I think I might have said I was going to, but I have been betting everything. I have had more dogs in the last 60 days than probably te last 2 years combined.
Also-- Aoki got served.
No, I think I might have said I was going to, but I have been betting everything. I have had more dogs in the last 60 days than probably te last 2 years combined.
Well in the case of Strikeforce, Hendo to me seemed like a typical bet for you. I thought that Melendez was a lot less your style.
Also-- Aoki got served.
It's true. I wasn't too sad to see it. I don't like him. It was a head bet. I just wish I had bet with my heart, instead.
I'm a lot more disappointed in Mousasi. What the fuck was that shit?
MMA_scientist
04-19-2010, 12:18 PM
Mousasi did the exact thing we were talking about last week... just looked like he didn't feel like fighting that day.
I have yet to figure out this phenomenon. Its like he got in there and was just like, "screw it, I am not going to fight today." He didn't even try to stuff the takedowns. And he didn't try to stand up at all.
I wasn't that surprised, because I wasn't totally sold on Mousasi anyway.
MMA_scientist
04-19-2010, 12:25 PM
[quote="SPX"]Well in the case of Strikeforce, Hendo to me seemed like a typical bet for you. I thought that Melendez was a lot less your style.[quote]
Well, maybe. Except when I originally broke down Hendo/Shields, I went with Shields. Then I wanted to beef up my return, so I added Hendo at the last minute.
My average line is actually a lot closer to the Melendez line that the Hendo line. My average line is -227 (or was a couple minths back). I really don't like to go with heavy favorites. I feel that -170 to -270 is the right range for me. I feel that you can find just as many "sure things" at -200 as at -400. I don't feel there is that much difference, except in name power.
When you get to -600, you are looking at what should be absolute locks, so there should be more certainty there. I am going to go to a firm -400 rule. I might even drop it to -350. Then I am going to start looking at the fights a little more closely like I used to. I think I am getting cocky. I am still up quite a lot since January, but I am definately being more reckless than usual.
Svino
04-19-2010, 04:33 PM
I really think that Mousasi's problem was stamina. He was starting to gas even late in the first. If he didn't, each of the rounds 3-5 would have been progressively better than the second (which he won) for him. I didn't expect him to stop Mo's early takedowns, and he did as good a job at striking from the bottom as I've seen anyone do in quite a while. It looks like he and Mo are potentially great fighters that won't be top tier until they can solve a common problem, their gas tank. Fortunately, that might be the easiest of all common flaws to fix. Doesn't mean it will happen, though.
I was actually impressed with Aoki's post-fight comments. He seemed genuinely humbled; we'll see how long that lasts. Now would be a good time for him to find a take off a year or so, find a coach in Thailand who can train up his striking. (In the movie version, this would be where you put the montage.)
So far, I've done all right with really big lines. With huge lines, my usual rule is to ask myself, "What if the favorite was a little bit worse in every single dimension than I think they are, and what if the underdog is a little bit better?" Basically, assume a significant uncertainty in estimating every skill of every guy. If you think the favorite still wins under those conditions, it may be worth the bet.
Examples that worked for me: Cro Cop over Perosh, GSP over Hardy. Hardy and GSP could have been more closely matched in every aspect, and GSP would still win by takedowns and control. Contrast that with Penn vs. Edgar, where if Penn was just a little bit worse than I thought in striking and Edgar just a little bit better, he could steal the fight - and that was what happened. Especially dangerous are the fights where the guys have similar styles but one is considered to be "a little bit better at everything". This kind of belief can lead to a big betting line, even though it is very hard to be certain of how each skill matches up when they are close.
(In the movie version, this would be where you put the montage.)
Hell yeah!
Mr. IWS
04-19-2010, 04:48 PM
Ive heard two reports on Shields. 1) his contract is up 2) Coker has a 1 fight option.
I would love to see Shields and Jacarae.
Ive heard two reports on Shields. 1) his contract is up 2) Coker has a 1 fight option.
I would love to see Shields and Jacarae.
And NEWWWWWWW Strikeforce middlweight champion of the worlddddd!!!!!
Ive heard two reports on Shields. 1) his contract is up 2) Coker has a 1 fight option.
I would love to see Shields and Jacarae.
And NEWWWWWWW Strikeforce middlweight champion of the worlddddd!!!!!
LOL exactly. Jacare will rape Shields' whole family. A bigger, stronger, more athletic Demien Maia with better striking.
Also, awesome post Svino.
Thewiseman
04-19-2010, 05:32 PM
Im not sure why everyone is so suprised about Mousasi. He never had fought a wrestler even remotely close to being as good as King Mo. Now we know.
Im not sure why everyone is so suprised about Mousasi. He never had fought a wrestler even remotely close to being as good as King Mo. Now we know.
Its called a hype train wiseman ,never get on one ::handshake::
Its called a hype train wiseman ,never get on one ::handshake::
A hype train backed by much experience and many good wins.
Im not sure why everyone is so suprised about Mousasi. He never had fought a wrestler even remotely close to being as good as King Mo. Now we know.
I realize hindsight is fun and all, but he best fighter King Mo had fought was Mike Whitehead. Suffice it to say doubts were warranted.
Johnny Unreliable
04-19-2010, 06:20 PM
Up a few units. Only ended up betting on Melendez. Pussied out of the hendo fight due to the line (though that first round had me screaming at the TV wishing I bet on it).
And Aoki got tooled like I said baby. Complete domination. /gloats
Its called a hype train wiseman ,never get on one ::handshake::
A hype train backed by much experience and many good wins.
You mean like Dan Henderson? I didnt say I didnt fall for hype also ::handshake::
You mean like Dan Henderson? I didnt say I didnt fall for hype also ::handshake::
When I think Hype Train I usually think of guys who appear to have a lot of potential, but haven't really proven themselves against top competition. Guys like Hendo and Mousasi have already been a lot of top guys, thus legitimizing hype into something more tangible.
You mean like Dan Henderson? I didnt say I didnt fall for hype also ::handshake::
When I think Hype Train I usually think of guys who appear to have a lot of potential, but haven't really proven themselves against top competition. Guys like Hendo and Mousasi have already been a lot of top guys, thus legitimizing hype into something more tangible.
I think of hype as a fighter thats been talked up so much people think he's alot better fighter than he really is .People had Mousasi a top 3 fighter at 205 and Hendo the #2 185 pounder ,neither were even close to be true
Svino
04-19-2010, 07:12 PM
See, I don't mind hype trains. Getting on the right one can be profitable. All the protesting - "...but they haven't beaten anyone *real* yet." has resulted in the betting lines on guys like Cain, Carwin, Jones, and even Lesnar being way too low. To refer upwards to this thread - look at Jacare. Because of his talent, many of us here, me included, think he would beat Shields. But his record is nowhere near as impressive, and I think we might be able to get a good line on him because of it.
See, I don't mind hype trains. Getting on the right one can be profitable. All the protesting - "...but they haven't beaten anyone *real* yet." has resulted in the betting lines on guys like Cain, Carwin, Jones, and even Lesnar being way too low. To refer upwards to this thread - look at Jacare. Because of his talent, many of us here, me included, think he would beat Shields. But his record is nowhere near as impressive, and I think we might be able to get a good line on him because of it.
I don't think Jacare is that great to be honest, he has a pretty terrible chin. I just feel he presents a really awful style matchup for Shields.
I'm all over the Cain hype train though. I think he's the best HW in the UFC.
See, I don't mind hype trains. Getting on the right one can be profitable. All the protesting - "...but they haven't beaten anyone *real* yet." has resulted in the betting lines on guys like Cain, Carwin, Jones, and even Lesnar being way too low..
I agree to an extent, but should point out the "but they haven't fought anyone yet" argument is often legitimate. I think we saw it with Rumble VS Kos, for instance, and plenty of other fights. With that said, sure, plenty of guys really do break out. I think the key is being able to determine which guys are going to live up to the hype and which ones aren't, but that's no easy task.
To refer upwards to this thread - look at Jacare. Because of his talent, many of us here, me included, think he would beat Shields. But his record is nowhere near as impressive, and I think we might be able to get a good line on him because of it.
I dunno. I remember Jacare was pretty heavily favored against Lindland, so I'm not sure what he would be against Shields. How sweet would it be to actually get him as an underdog? Unlikely, but that would be excellent.
Svino
04-19-2010, 08:00 PM
I think the key is being able to determine which guys are going to live up to the hype and which ones aren't, but that's no easy task.
Sure, no disagreement there.
I dunno. I remember Jacare was pretty heavily favored against Lindland, so I'm not sure what he would be against Shields. How sweet would it be to actually get him as an underdog? Unlikely, but that would be excellent.
I think he was -270 or so against Lindland, but the results of that fight showed it should have been even steeper.
Thewiseman
04-19-2010, 08:02 PM
You mean like Dan Henderson? I didnt say I didnt fall for hype also ::handshake::
When I think Hype Train I usually think of guys who appear to have a lot of potential, but haven't really proven themselves against top competition. Guys like Hendo and Mousasi have already been a lot of top guys, thus legitimizing hype into something more tangible.
But as far as I know Mousasi had never fought a good wrestler, and that can be a different kind of fight.
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