View Full Version : Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010
Former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski (15-7 MMA, 0-1 SF) has signed a multi-fight, 16-month deal with Strikeforce and is expected to fight former EliteXC title-holder Antonio Silva (13-2 MMA, 0-1 SF) at the organization's May 15 event in St Louis, Mo.
Arlovski announced the deal on his official Web site.
The Silva fight, first reported by Sherdog.com, was and later confirmed to MMAjunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com) by a source close to the Brazilian who said the fight will be part of the night's Showtime-televised main card.
Strikeforce, of course, hosts its next major show on April 17 when middleweight champ Jake Shields takes on recent signee Dan Henderson in a CBS-televised main event.
Arlovski fights for the first time since Strikeforce's initial St. Louis show, which took place in June 2009. There, he suffered a 22-second TKO loss to Brett Rogers, which followed a first-round knockout to Fedor Emelianenko at "Affliction: Day of Reckoning" six months prior.
Prior to the back-to-back losses, the former UFC superstar had posted five consecutive wins and reemerged as one of the world's top-five heavyweight fighters.
He can get his career back on track against Silva, whose six-fight win streak recently came to an end with a close but unanimous decision loss to Fabricio Werdum at Strikeforce's November 2009 debut on CBS. Silva posted the win streak with now-defunct EliteXC promotion (where he defeated Justin Eilers for the title) and World Victory Road's Japanese-based Sengoku event series.
A source close to the fighter told MMAjunkie.com Silva was also under consideration for a fight with Rogers
::handshake::
Mr. IWS
03-01-2010, 07:03 PM
Dam bro, your finding all the new shit first....LOL
I love it. Hopefully he gets his shit together.
Brett Rodgers -Alistair Overeem now also on the card.Starting to look like a good one shaping up
Alistair Overeem (32-11 MMA, 2-0 SF) wants American fans to get ready. There are no more obstacles in the way of his American MMA career; Strikeforce is the priority for 2010.
In an exclusive interview with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com)) today, the Strikeforce heavyweight champion said he is likely to meet Brett Rogers (10-1 MMA, 2-1 SF) in a non-title fight on an as-yet-unannounced card set for May 15 in St. Louis, Mo.
Although Strikeforce has not placed an event permit request to the Missouri State Athletic Commission, all signs point to a second trip to the 22,000-seat Scottrade Center in St. Louis.
The promotion made its first visit there this past June for "Strikeforce: Shields vs. Lawler."
Overeem announced the Rogers fight earlier today on his Twitter account but clarified that the matchup is not confirmed. He also added that a rumored appearance at DREAM.13 against Neil Grove or Josh Barnett is also unconfirmed.
Holy shit Rogers/Overeem. That gets me going.
Mr. IWS
03-02-2010, 08:37 AM
Why the fuck is it a non-title fight?
That title hasnt been defended in years, its a fuckin joke.
Mr. IWS
03-02-2010, 10:17 AM
Aoki / Melendez now fighting!
Strikeforce making moves, I love it.
Aoki / Melendez now fighting!
Strikeforce making moves, I love it.
Dont forget Mousasi-Lawal is probably on the card also.Talk about a stacked card ,cant wait for this one
Mr. IWS
03-02-2010, 02:14 PM
Dont forget Mousasi-Lawal is probably on the card also.Talk about a stacked card ,cant wait for this one
No doubt.
Maybe we can get a gratuitus freak show in Hershall vs Canseco too. ::winna::
Dont forget Mousasi-Lawal is probably on the card also.Talk about a stacked card ,cant wait for this one
No doubt.
Maybe we can get a gratuitus freak show in Hershall vs Canseco too. ::winna::
that would be awesome .
Maybe we can also get the da aber lamps man vs the beard man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh4m-CK-6HI
Why the fuck is it a non-title fight?
That title hasnt been defended in years, its a fuckin joke.
makes zero sense unless they expect Rodgers to win and then they could set up a rematch for the actual title
Mr. IWS
03-02-2010, 02:29 PM
The only reason I can think of, is since Rogers lost last time out, he should get a title shot, but at this point, its like the lesser of two evils.
Title shot to a guy coming off a loss
or
Put the title on the shelf for another 6 months.
Hold on back up the truck
the Rodgers -Overeem fight and the AA- Bigfoot fights are may 15th
the Mousasi-Lawal ,Henderson -Sheilds and Aoki / Melendez are April 17th
Mr. IWS
03-02-2010, 06:53 PM
Hold on back up the truck
the Rodgers -Overeem fight and the AA- Bigfoot fights are may 15th
the Mousasi-Lawal ,Henderson -Sheilds and Aoki / Melendez are April 17th
Even better. 5 goof fights spread out over two cards.
Hold on back up the truck
the Rodgers -Overeem fight and the AA- Bigfoot fights are may 15th
the Mousasi-Lawal ,Henderson -Sheilds and Aoki / Melendez are April 17th
Even better. 5 goof fights spread out over two cards.
Probably more than that. Since Fedor isnt fighting April 17th he'll probably be fighting Werdum on the May 15th card.
How long before Strikeforce goes PPV?
Fedor is going to the UFC again I thought?
::lmao::
Can someone change this title to Strikeforce May 15th?
Can someone change this title to Strikeforce May 15th?
I'll tell your mom to get right on that.
Can someone change this title to Strikeforce May 15th?
I'll tell your mom to get right on that.
That one didnt even make sense .Back to the drawing board SPX ::handshake::
That one didnt even make sense .Back to the drawing board SPX ::handshake::
Have you ever seen Napoleon Dynamite?
Oh wait. . . Of course you haven't.
Your mom goes to college
Exactly.
Mom can be inserted into any situation whatsoever.
The humor is in the absurdity.
Your mom goes to college
Exactly.
Mom can be inserted into any situation whatsoever.
The humor is in the absurdity.
quiet Cockwell
Mr. IWS
04-06-2010, 08:42 AM
Have you ever seen Napoleon Dynamite?
Oh wait. . . Of course you haven't.
Uncle Rico FTW!
http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/carney1-750701.jpg
Joey Villasenor vs Jacare and Kevin Randleman vs Roger Gracie added to this card
I'll be watching this is Vegas baby
Joey Villasenor vs Jacare
My entire bankroll on Jacare.
I'll be watching this is Vegas baby
Nice! I still haven't been to Vegas. I hope to go soon.
My entire bankroll on Jacare.
probably going to be a big line like -400
Mr. IWS
04-23-2010, 08:32 AM
I think Jacara will "hair bar" those twenty strands on Joe's head.
Will probably be on Hoger too.
Hopefully the lines are not crazy.
MMA_scientist
04-23-2010, 02:16 PM
This card is awesome now. I am actually looking forward to this card more than any other card this year. Strikeforce is getting awesome.
This card is awesome now. I am actually looking forward to this card more than any other card this year. Strikeforce is getting awesome.
Yeah Nashville was super.
Tomorrow is card of the year for me.
Yeah Nashville was super.
You complain about everything .Strikeforce put 3 fights together that on paper were going to be awesome how is it their fault they all went the distance?
Strikeforce=free on national tv
WEC =$45.00
I said it then and I'll say it again, I thought Nashville was actually okay. Mo/Mousasi sucked, but Melendez spent 5 rounds fucking up Aoki's shit in a pretty exciting way I thought, and it was interesting to see Shields upset Hendo.
WOW WOW WOW
Kid Yamamoto now scheduled to make his SF debut on this card.
WOW WOW WOW
Kid Yamamoto now scheduled to make his SF debut on this card.
pretty good card huh?
pretty good card huh?
Yeah, looks pretty good.
Sucks they're shoving Kid to the undercard, though.
LOL, I see you were finally able to rename the thread. . .
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 10:59 AM
I'm going.
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 11:37 AM
I'm going.
Nice! Get some pics to post man.
LOL, I see you were finally able to rename the thread. . .
Id be wanting it changed
Id be wanting it changed
Yeah, I remember you asking someone to do it a while back.
Team Brett Rogers saying commission will use olympic style testing on Alistair Overeem
Why? Rogers is way bigger than him.
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 12:29 PM
Why? Rogers is way bigger than him.
Overeem is so obviously chemically enhanced my balls shrink just looking at him.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/9ho1oha1/mma/Overeem-Timeline.jpg
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 12:42 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/260727/reem2.jpg
[quote="zY|":2rg2t8iy]Why? Rogers is way bigger than him.
Overeem is so obviously chemically enhanced my balls shrink just looking at him.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/9ho1oha1/mma/Overeem-Timeline.jpg[/quote:2rg2t8iy]
yeah no doubt he's been on roids
All I'm saying is the fact that he gained at most 30 pounds in 5 years is not really indicative of anything.
Not that it matters, I think steroids should be allowed anyways.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1739/cybereem2012.jpg
All I'm saying is the fact that he gained at most 30 pounds in 5 years is not really indicative of anything.
Not that it matters, I think steroids should be allowed anyways.
That looks like more than 30 pounds. . .
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 01:04 PM
look at the size of his head. Has he been lifting weights with his skull? There is like a little pre-roid Overeem face inside a giant head. It is painfully obvious...
plus the context clues: not fighting in the US, and he is a pos/cheater- hitting CroCop in the balls on purpose. Now that he is coming back to the U.S. to fight, word is that he has lost like 10-15 pounds. quick, someone call Encyclopedia Brown to crack the case.
I didnt realize you were one of those "roids should be legal" guys.
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 01:07 PM
All I'm saying is the fact that he gained at most 30 pounds in 5 years is not really indicative of anything.
30 pounds? in his traps...
I think steroids should be allowed anyways.
wow I am totally against roids.Why should people who dont want a huge head and enlarged heart and small testes be put at a disadvantage against someone that wants to die by 55?
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 01:17 PM
I think steroids should be allowed anyways.
wow I am totally against roids.Why should people who dont want a huge head and enlarged heart and small testes be put at a disadvantage against someone that wants to die by 55?
Agreed. Its like, "hey, I am going to be on PCP for this fight... I will feel nothing and I will have super human rage strength. In public, it would take 5 police officers to restain me, mace will have no effect. If you want to compete, I suggest you pay the price of glory too..."
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 01:18 PM
I thought is was the horse meat diet Ubereem was on?
You guys see his brother's last fight? Looks like he is on the horse meat too.
Well there's no arguing against hearsay, rumors, blanket statements, and generalities.
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 01:21 PM
Team Brett Rogers saying commission will use olympic style testing on Alistair Overeem
Dam, what will Vadim and the crazy russians say if he passes that shit?
[quote="zY|":2khnw3fs]All I'm saying is the fact that he gained at most 30 pounds in 5 years is not really indicative of anything.
30 pounds? in his traps...[/quote:2khnw3fs]
He was cutting 20 pounds to make 205 in 2003 and now he weighs in around 250. Do you need a calculator? I realize sensationalizing is so much fun though.
wow I am totally against roids.Why should people who dont want a huge head and enlarged heart and small testes be put at a disadvantage against someone that wants to die by 55?
I think that the case against steroids is far from open and shut due to a lack of testing and research.
A good documentary on the subject is Bigger, Stronger, Faster. It's pretty fair in that it presents both sides of the coin--the filmmakers don't say that steroids are good for you, but they present compelling information that, if taken properly (under the guidance of a doctor, for instance), they can be safe.
Again though, another point it makes is that the medical community simply has refused to research the long-term effects of steroids, so most of the negative press, as zY says, is based on hearsay and speculation.
He was cutting 20 pounds to make 205 in 2003 and now he weighs in around 250. Do you need a calculator? I realize sensationalizing is so much fun though.
I've gained 20 pounds in the last few years and it's barely noticeable.
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 01:34 PM
A good documentary on the subject is Bigger, Stronger, Faster.
seen it, very good.
I read the wrestler guy died last year.
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 01:41 PM
[quote="MMA_scientist":3kbe2b3f][quote="zY|":3kbe2b3f]All I'm saying is the fact that he gained at most 30 pounds in 5 years is not really indicative of anything.
30 pounds? in his traps...[/quote:3kbe2b3f]
He was cutting 20 pounds to make 205 in 2003...[/quote:3kbe2b3f]
yeah because what Overeem says he was cutting is so much more believable than photo evidence.
Also, nice try, but Overeem weighed in at 205 at Pride 33 in Febraury 2007. In June of 2008, he was 241. Not exactly the 5 pounds of muscle a year for 6 years theory you tried to sell us.
In 11/07 for a HW fight, no cutting, he was 224. 8 months later- he was 241 shredded- 17 pounds of muscle in 8 months.
I realize it is fun to make crap up and pretend you know what you are talking about and then try to pretend everyone else is just speculating... but it is pretty evident you are full of shit.
A good documentary on the subject is Bigger, Stronger, Faster.
seen it, very good.
I read the wrestler guy died last year.
So the guy featured in the film died at 37 ? Sure makes me want to take roids ::thumbup::
Also it doesnt bother you two that say roids are ok that every year many WWE wrestlers who are suspected roid users die at very young ages from heart attacks and heart disease? Thats enough evidence for me not to use roids
Also it doesnt bother you two that say roids are ok that every year many WWE wrestlers who are suspected roid users die at very young ages from heart attacks and heart disease? Thats enough evidence for me not to use roids
There are two issues here:
1. There's no way to say it's roids. These guys also live tough and stressful lives on the road 250 days out of the year and there have been plenty of reports that wrestlers like to party, including consuming staggering amounts of alcohol and sometimes other drugs as well, while they're away from home. So there are a lot of things you could point to and say "that's why they died."
2. A lot of doctors believe, from what little research has been done, that yes, if you overdo steroids then it can have a negative effect on your health. It's like overdosing on anything else. But in moderate amounts, they can increase muscle mass without other permanent side effects. Consider the fact that doctors themselves often prescribe steroids. They just don't call it "taking steroids" . . . they call it hormone therapy.
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 02:42 PM
SPX is on the juice.
I am going to assume you guys all saw the front page article on SD yesterday...
You have all these things that point to steroids being a bad deal. And there are always guys out there that say it could be something else.
I know people that still don't believe smoking is bad for you.
^^^^^ I reserve judgement until proper studies have been done.
^^^^^ I reserve judgement until proper studies have been done.
Its too late when you're 6 foot under at 35 due to a heart attack
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 02:51 PM
^^^^^ I reserve judgement until proper studies have been done.
Fine.
On another note, Bigfoot was spotted again in Oklahoma.
Fine.
On another note, Bigfoot was spotted again in Oklahoma.
I think you're talking out of your ass on this one.
It's obvious you've never really researched the shit.
I realize it is fun to make crap up and pretend you know what you are talking about and then try to pretend everyone else is just speculating... but it is pretty evident you are full of shit.
You smug fucking prick, was that really necessary?
I'm just countering your bullshit 'oh it's so obvious based on some pictures I looked at''. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I'm saying I'm not convinced that he is. If that's dumb to you, then go lol in the corner and leave me alone. I never said I have all the facts. But I do know one for sure. Until he actually tests positive, speculating IS all you're fucking doing.
You smug fucking prick, was that really necessary?
In all fairness zY, that sounded like some shit that you would've said. . .
You smug fucking prick, was that really necessary?
In all fairness zY, that sounded like some shit that you would've said. . .
I may have said it to you or Ludo, lol. But fair point.
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 03:56 PM
He was cutting 20 pounds to make 205 in 2003 and now he weighs in around 250. Do you need a calculator? I realize sensationalizing is so much fun though.
My response was in kind for this comment.
You try to make "smug prick" comment of your own, then you get sand in your vag when it comes back.
Do you need a calculator. What a fucking ass hole.
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 03:59 PM
Alrighty fellas, lets not come to blows. Its obvious Reem is on Horse meat.
Its obvious Reem is on Horse meat.
Probably so, but I do believe in giving the benefit of the doubt . . . in most cases. Not sure about this one.
I'm not sure that Sherk every did roids. I thought he provided a pretty good case in his favor and the fact that the commission cut his sentence in half was an admission to me that they knew they might have fucked the shit up.
Alrighty fellas, lets not come to blows. Its obvious Reem is on Horse meat.
Oh thanks Gus. Gentlemen, you're on national television!
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 04:03 PM
Its obvious Reem is on Horse meat.
Probably so, but I do believe in giving the benefit of the doubt . . . in most cases. Not sure about this one.
I'm not sure that Sherk every did roids. I thought he provided a pretty good case in his favor and the fact that the commission cut his sentence in half was an admission to me that they knew they might have fucked the shit up.
I believe Sherk.
I thought one juicer could spot another... how long have you been shooting up?
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 04:04 PM
Oh thanks Gus. Gentlemen, you're on national television!
Sometimes these things happen in MMA (forums) lots of testosterone. Which ties in nicely with the debate on Overeem.
Most steroid use in MMA is for healing injuries faster anyways. In weight classes other than HW, building up massive bulk isn't really that helpful. I doubt using them sporadically is going to make you die immediately. Even then, I'm not so sure. I'm not saying he juiced up, but there's no reason Bobby Lashley should be that fucking big. Dude has got like a 185 pound frame encased in a cocoon of solid muscle to gas out with.
I thought one juicer could spot another... how long have you been shooting up?
How long have you been retarded?
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 04:09 PM
[quote="zY|":27grs5ww]
Oh thanks Gus. Gentlemen, you're on national television!
Sometimes these things happen in MMA (forums) lots of testosterone. Which ties in nicely with the debate on Overeem.[/quote:27grs5ww]
zY knows I am just giving him shit. I don't get upset about internet bullies... and judging from his long standing reputation as a prick, I am guessing zY doesn't take it offline, otherwise someone would have killed him by now. Probably SPX in a roid fueled rampage.
[quote="zY|":3i9xn4od]He was cutting 20 pounds to make 205 in 2003 and now he weighs in around 250. Do you need a calculator? I realize sensationalizing is so much fun though.
My response was in kind for this comment.
You try to make "smug prick" comment of your own, then you get sand in your vag when it comes back.
Do you need a calculator. What a fucking ass hole.[/quote:3i9xn4od]
Was just responding to your first dickhead comment.
"plus the context clues: not fighting in the US, and he is a pos/cheater- hitting CroCop in the balls on purpose. Now that he is coming back to the U.S. to fight, word is that he has lost like 10-15 pounds. quick, someone call Encyclopedia Brown to crack the case. "
^^Speculation, nonsense, and flat out bullshit, presented in a D-bag fashion.
[quote="IWS Zak":2cr1rp7i][quote="zY|":2cr1rp7i]
Oh thanks Gus. Gentlemen, you're on national television!
Sometimes these things happen in MMA (forums) lots of testosterone. Which ties in nicely with the debate on Overeem.[/quote:2cr1rp7i]
zY knows I am just giving him shit. I don't get upset about internet bullies... and judging from his long standing reputation as a prick, I am guessing zY doesn't take it offline, otherwise someone would have killed him by now. Probably SPX in a roid fueled rampage.[/quote:2cr1rp7i]
Internet fights are much safer. Everyone knows this. Calling you names probably saves my life.
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 04:12 PM
Probably SPX in a roid fueled rampage.
OH SHIT SON!
::fight::
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 04:26 PM
^^Speculation, nonsense, and flat out bullshit, presented in a D-bag fashion.
Your mom was presented in D-bag fashion.
Let's just agree that you are prick and move on ok?
[quote="IWS Zak":181uaxgq]Its obvious Reem is on Horse meat.
Probably so, but I do believe in giving the benefit of the doubt . . . in most cases. Not sure about this one.
I'm not sure that Sherk every did roids. I thought he provided a pretty good case in his favor and the fact that the commission cut his sentence in half was an admission to me that they knew they might have fucked the shit up.
I believe Sherk.
I thought one juicer could spot another... how long have you been shooting up?[/quote:181uaxgq]
I thought Sherk tested postive?
If thats not enough evidence for you guys I'm never arguing a side again because its pointless
I thought Sherk tested postive?
If thats not enough evidence for you guys I'm never arguing a side again because its pointless
Sherk tested positive but provided a lot of good evidence that supplements he was taking could cause a false positive results in roid tests.
The commission even cut his suspension in half. The whole thing was fucked. It's not nearly as simple as "Sherk tested positive."
[quote="zY|":2ivoz6kh]^^Speculation, nonsense, and flat out bullshit, presented in a D-bag fashion.
Your mom was presented in D-bag fashion.
Let's just agree that you are prick and move on ok?[/quote:2ivoz6kh]
Whatever you say, Captain Cocknose.
I thought Sherk tested postive?
If thats not enough evidence for you guys I'm never arguing a side again because its pointless
Barnett is innocent too. It's a decade long conspiracy and he's been framed by the commission 3 times in a row.
I thought Sherk tested postive?
If thats not enough evidence for you guys I'm never arguing a side again because its pointless
Sherk tested positive but provided a lot of good evidence that supplements he was taking could cause a false positive results in roid tests.
The commission even cut his suspension in half. The whole thing was fucked. It's not nearly as simple as "Sherk tested positive."
Also, he and Hermes both tested positive, so who gives a shit really?
Triple post.
I go to walk the dog and all hell breaks lose lol
I'll just say I dont believe steroids are safe .Ive read the bad side effects from them and they cause depression
I also wouldnt believe any documentaries or the doctors in the doct. because they are making it for one reason :money.When your making something for money you put only what you want in there and nothing else(just ask Michael Moorer) .Even if they found evidence that steroids did harm they wouldnt put it in their docoumentary because it would ruin their side of the arguement.
I think Overeem was/is/or has been or roids just like I think Coleman was/is.
I thought Sherk tested postive?
If thats not enough evidence for you guys I'm never arguing a side again because its pointless
Sherk tested positive but provided a lot of good evidence that supplements he was taking could cause a false positive results in roid tests.
The commission even cut his suspension in half. The whole thing was fucked. It's not nearly as simple as "Sherk tested positive."
Why isnt it that simple? If testing positive isnt proof then what is?
What supplements was he on? Did the supplements always cause a positive test or was it a it could? Just wondering
Most steroid use in MMA is for healing injuries faster anyways. In weight classes other than HW, building up massive bulk isn't really that helpful. I doubt using them sporadically is going to make you die immediately. Even then, I'm not so sure. I'm not saying he juiced up, but there's no reason Bobby Lashley should be that fucking big. Dude has got like a 185 pound frame encased in a cocoon of solid muscle to gas out with.
Ive read where roids can enlarge your heart also since its a muscle.That could be a cause for a suddent heart attack at an early age.
I just think the bad things that could happen from roids far out weigh the good they could do .Just my opinion
triple post lol
Mr. IWS
04-28-2010, 04:57 PM
All the credibility I had given Sherk went out the window, when he was sprinting down the Vegas Strip after one of his last fights, skipping the post fight test.
What supplements was he on? Did the supplements always cause a positive test or was it a it could? Just wondering
I'd have to do a straight up investigation to get back to that info but it's common knowledge that some over-the-counter supplements can render a positive result on steroid tests.
Why isnt it that simple? If testing positive isnt proof then what is?
The fact that it's KNOWN that some circumstances can cause a false positive result is all that's necessary to make every test suspect. It's kind of like a polygraph: just because it says someone's lying doesn't mean they are.
All the credibility I had given Sherk went out the window, when he was sprinting down the Vegas Strip after one of his last fights, skipping the post fight test.
He went back and took it.
I definitely don't think he is CURRENTLY doing steroids even if he was in the past.
Most steroid use in MMA is for healing injuries faster anyways. In weight classes other than HW, building up massive bulk isn't really that helpful. I doubt using them sporadically is going to make you die immediately. Even then, I'm not so sure. I'm not saying he juiced up, but there's no reason Bobby Lashley should be that fucking big. Dude has got like a 185 pound frame encased in a cocoon of solid muscle to gas out with.
Ive read where roids can enlarge your heart also since its a muscle.That could be a cause for a suddent heart attack at an early age.
I just think the bad things that could happen from roids far out weigh the good they could do .Just my opinion
triple post lol
I just think there is likely an incredible amount of misinformation out there. Obviously if you do anything incorrectly or excessively, there will be consequences. Everything is dangerous if you take enough. I just do not think it is simple as 'steroids will kill you'. It literally cannot be. I believe only the negative comes out due to the stigma and legality of anabolic steroids. Aspirin is perfectly legal, but if you take 13 of them motherfuckers that will be your last headache. Unfortunately I don't know enough about the subject or care enough to research to actually have the facts.
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 05:27 PM
In my mental court of justice:
Roid users that have not been caught: Overeem, Coleman, Couture (that's right), Lashley, Tibau, Dufee
Guys that got caught but quit: Sherk*, Marquart, Bonnar, Sylvia, Royce, Hermes, Ricco, Vitor Belfort, Leben
Guys that caught that still dope: Alves, Barnett, Shamrock, Giant Silva, Jeff Monson**, Randleman***
*I believe Sherk.
** Never tested positive but openly admitted using them to train for fights
*** never tested positive, but his urine sample I think was actual horse piss.
Wasn't Alves just caught with a diuretic for weight cutting?
MMA_scientist
04-28-2010, 05:36 PM
Wasn't Alves just caught with a diuretic for weight cutting?
yeah, my bad... move Alves to that has not been caught yet list. He clearly dopes too. I am making the medical opinion that this is why he has brain damage. Alves does steroids, alves has a brain irregularity. Ipso facto, steroids cause brain damage.
poopoo333
04-28-2010, 09:42 PM
Meh, just because of a good physique doesn't mean the guy is using.
MMA_scientist
04-29-2010, 09:34 AM
before:
http://www.mma-news.ch/thiago_alves.jpg
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20090711122852__DJV0949b.JPG
after:
http://urdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Thiago-Alves-feature.jpg
http://www.5thround.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/alves1.jpg
I don't know, maybe I am a cynic. But I have seen a lot of guys lift a lot of weights, and I just never see these kinds of results. I know guys, personal trainers, whatever- they have been working out and eating right for 10 years... never never do they get that big. Not too mention, these fighters have to do insane amounts of cardio. When you are sparring, it is a major cardio workout. There is just too much muscle mass... if you are doing an hour of cardio a day, there is no freaking way you can maintain that much mass. Plus, his head got bigger. Look how much bigger his head got. It is obvious.
Look at college and olympic wrestlers. They do a very similar workout. They are all shredded, but they dont have massive traps with veins popping out. OUt of the tens of thousands of wrestlers I have seen, I don't think any of them look like a WWE superstar (Lesnar was probably the closest thing, but even he was very lean compared to his WWE physique).
WOW WOW WOW
Kid Yamamoto now scheduled to make his SF debut on this card.
Kid Yamamoto off Strikeforce St. Louis card ::thumbdown::
Kid Yamamoto off Strikeforce St. Louis card ::thumbdown::
What the fuck? Why?
Kid Yamamoto off Strikeforce St. Louis card ::thumbdown::
What the fuck? Why?
No idea just know he's off the card
MMAjunkie says he might be fighting at DREAM 14 instead
Scientist:
Pretty compelling pics of Alves. You may be onto something.
With that said, you also have to keep in mind the genetic factor. There are a lot of natural bodybuilders who look awesome just because they're genetically gifted like that. It's kind of like how on the other end of the spectrum there are guys like Sylvia and Barnett who will never look good even WITH steroids.
I know that not everyone who claims to be natural really is, but a lot of them are.
before:
http://www.mma-news.ch/thiago_alves.jpg
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20090711122852__DJV0949b.JPG
after:
http://urdirt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Thiago-Alves-feature.jpg
http://www.5thround.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/alves1.jpg
I don't know, maybe I am a cynic. But I have seen a lot of guys lift a lot of weights, and I just never see these kinds of results. I know guys, personal trainers, whatever- they have been working out and eating right for 10 years... never never do they get that big. Not too mention, these fighters have to do insane amounts of cardio. When you are sparring, it is a major cardio workout. There is just too much muscle mass... if you are doing an hour of cardio a day, there is no freaking way you can maintain that much mass. Plus, his head got bigger. Look how much bigger his head got. It is obvious.
Look at college and olympic wrestlers. They do a very similar workout. They are all shredded, but they dont have massive traps with veins popping out. OUt of the tens of thousands of wrestlers I have seen, I don't think any of them look like a WWE superstar (Lesnar was probably the closest thing, but even he was very lean compared to his WWE physique).
There is such a thing called power lifting, it's used mainly to gain muscle mass quickly by doing sets of heavy weight reps instead of lighter weights for toning. I didn't see much change in the size of his head in those pictures, if anything his head looked smaller because the rest of him was bigger in the last picture. Also, there is a difference between cardio and whats called muscle stamina. Cardio on the whole is the speed at which the body gets rid of the lactic acid molecule that accumulates in the blood when strenuous activity is performed. Muscle Stamina is something else entirely. It's the difference between aerobics and anaerobics. Mass has little to do with overall cardio, and that point is proven by WWE wrestlers. If you've ever seen what's called an 'iron man match" you'll know what I mean. Anyone with the proper conditioning regiment can have cardio for hours if they work correctly at it.
How about line guesses on these fights?
How about line guesses on these fights?
Arlovski probably opens around -150
I'll go out on a limb and say Overeem opens about -125
How about line guesses on these fights?
Arlovski probably opens around -150
I'll go out on a limb and say Overeem opens about -125
I was thinking both were going to be much higher but I really have no idea about these thats why I asked for input
You could be right on both.
poopoo333
04-30-2010, 12:12 AM
There is such a thing called power lifting, it's used mainly to gain muscle mass quickly by doing sets of heavy weight reps instead of lighter weights for toning.
That is all a myth. I am a competitive powerlifter, the way you gain muscle mass is 90-95% diet. Powerlifting doesn't make you "gain mass quickly" at all. And the whole lighter reps for toning is such a gay theory.
ANYWAYS, I don't really like this card for betting. Two fights are going to be heavyweight striking matches. If anything, I will take AA for a small play if his line is awesome. Rogers/Overeem...I will make a half unit bet on Rogers if he is a big dog. Jacare's line will be too high. Roger Gracie is too green in MMA to warrant a nice bet on, but if the line is good...small play on him since Randleman likes to get submitted by people like Cro Cop and Ron Waterman.
There is such a thing called power lifting, it's used mainly to gain muscle mass quickly by doing sets of heavy weight reps instead of lighter weights for toning.
That is all a myth. I am a competitive powerlifter, the way you gain muscle mass is 90-95% diet. Powerlifting doesn't make you "gain mass quickly" at all. And the whole lighter reps for toning is such a gay theory.
I was going to say something about all this too, but I just left it alone.
There's a reason that bodybuilders don't train like powerlifters. One is for building and sculpting muscle and the other is for increasing strength. That's not to say that both won't do both, but the techniques are different for each.
Mr. IWS
04-30-2010, 08:32 AM
doing sets of heavy weight reps
BILL STAR 5X5 FTW!
MMA_scientist
04-30-2010, 09:31 AM
Arlovski -195
Overeem- -130
Gracie -200
Jacare -300
Those are my guesses. I will be on Roger. He is green, but he is also the best grappler in the entire world, and he is fighting another grappler. He is like 6'6 and Randleman is like 5'9. Even though Roger cannot strike to save his life, his legnth alone will be enough to control the standup and entice Randleman to take him down. As soon as it hits the mat, it will be over in 30 seconds (if there was a prop bet, how long can Randleman survive on the ground, I would go under 1 minute @ even money). That is how much of a bad ass Roger is.
I will be on Jacare most likely.
I will take AA if he is under -170.
Also, i hope you guys know I am just messing around with all the steroid stuff, just trying to annoy.
Mr. IWS
04-30-2010, 10:13 AM
Arlovski -195
Overeem- -130
Gracie -200
Jacare -300
GL on them. I will be on Hoger just to fade Randleman, and Jacare
Also, i hope you guys know I am just messing around with all the steroid stuff, just trying to annoy.
I think its a very interesting debate.
My guesses:
Arlovski -250
Overeem- -200
Gracie -400
Jacare -450
Looks like Randleman is going to get scratched:
“I’m sick and I think I might have a little bit of a staph infection,” an aggravated Randleman told Sherdog.com on Tuesday. “They might have to replace me.”
Randleman said his physician would tell him on Wednesday if he is healthy enough to fight in 11 days. The former UFC champion, who was hospitalized for a lung infection in 2006 and a staph infection in 2007 that required the removal of his pectoral muscle, said the illness has made it difficult for him to train and eat.
The 38-year-old Pride Fighting Championships veteran trains in fours gym in Las Vegas, he said, but doesn’t blame the facilities for his current state.
“I’ve trained for Gracie for 14 weeks, and I might get taken out by some nasty a-- people who can’t wash their butts, their feet,” said Randleman. “I’m livid. I take six showers every day. I’m anal about cleanliness. I take a shower before I get into bed with my wife. If I wake up in the middle of the night and I’m sweaty, I take a shower.”
MMA_scientist
05-04-2010, 09:13 PM
I will be very pissed if Roger doesnt get a decent fight.
Mr. IWS
05-05-2010, 08:45 AM
Randleman always got something wrong with him. Maybe he should stop fuckin those husky white girls.
Svino
05-05-2010, 05:54 PM
I will be very pissed if Roger doesnt get a decent fight.
I hear Lashley still needs an opponent.
I will be very pissed if Roger doesnt get a decent fight.
I hear Lashley still needs an opponent.
Heh. That'd be interesting.
I will be very pissed if Roger doesnt get a decent fight.
I hear Lashley still needs an opponent.
Lashleys on the June card ::handshake::
Mr. IWS
05-07-2010, 09:32 AM
Mmajunkie reports that Randleman is good to go. Makes you wonder if Hoger wants to roll with Randleman now.
MMA_scientist
05-07-2010, 09:38 AM
5million units on Roger.
Mmajunkie reports that Randleman is good to go. Makes you wonder if Hoger wants to roll with Randleman now.
I seen the doctors were saying he was doing better
OK, let's see.
Overeem/Rogers: I totally see Overeem taking this. We know Rogers is tough but Overeem has much more experience. He should have a major advantage in the striking too. The only thing that comes to mind that is keeping me guessing is seeing how the Lawler/Manhoef fight turned out. I still see Overeem taking it however he wants though. If he opens at less then -200, I think I will be splurging on him.
Arlovski/Bigfoot: Arlovski should take this one. Bigfoot could definitely knock him out though. Does Arlovski training at Jackson's/AKA mean anything? I think it does and I will be putting some on Arlovski.
ManBoobKilla
05-07-2010, 04:56 PM
Arlovski -195
Overeem- -130
Gracie -200
Jacare -300
Those are my guesses. I will be on Roger. He is green, but he is also the best grappler in the entire world, and he is fighting another grappler. He is like 6'6 and Randleman is like 5'9. Even though Roger cannot strike to save his life, his legnth alone will be enough to control the standup and entice Randleman to take him down. As soon as it hits the mat, it will be over in 30 seconds (if there was a prop bet, how long can Randleman survive on the ground, I would go under 1 minute @ even money). That is how much of a bad ass Roger is.
I will be on Jacare most likely.
I will take AA if he is under -170.
Also, i hope you guys know I am just messing around with all the steroid stuff, just trying to annoy.
Roger is second best grappler in the world. Rickson is number one but I could be a little biased
MMA_scientist
05-07-2010, 08:58 PM
Roger is second best grappler in the world. Rickson is number one but I could be a little biased
Agreed. Rickson is the man. Why would you be biased though?
Agreed. Rickson is the man. Why would you be biased though?
Do you also believe that he would beat Fedor and that he has a perfect 450-0 record?
Agreed. Rickson is the man. Why would you be biased though?
Do you also believe that he would beat Fedor and that he has a perfect 450-0 record?
get it right moron its 400-0
get it right moron its 400-0
Nigga, I KNOW you're not talking to ME with that tone. . .
get it right moron its 400-0
Nigga, I KNOW you're not talking to ME with that tone. . .
::lmao::
MMA_scientist
05-07-2010, 09:29 PM
Agreed. Rickson is the man. Why would you be biased though?
Do you also believe that he would beat Fedor and that he has a perfect 450-0 record?
Well he is like 56 and weighs about 180; so no, I don't think he would beat Fedor.
I don't believe he is 400-0. There is certainly some mythology going on there.
That said, he lost only once in all of his recorded grappling or mma fights. Ron Tripp beat him in a Sambo match by a takedown that stopped the match. Rickson claimed he did not know that a takedown would stop the match. Also, every one, EVERYONE, that has rolled with him says that he is the best. Even current mma and bjj guys say that Riskson could still beat their asses. You would think after 30 years, there would be at least one guy that came out and said that Rickson isnt that good. But it is the opposite, everyone who trains with him says that it is incredible and he does whatever he wants. Even guys like Roger and Jacare claim that Rickson could still beat them.
I have also personally seen Rickson chain-tap other blackbelts.
So there is some bs around him, but I know for a fact that he is legit.
^^^^ I just wish that, if he REALLY believes that he is "100% sure" that he could beat Fedor and all these other guys out there today that he'd step up and do it.
I'm sure he's a great BJJ guy, even at his age, but he runs his mouth too much without backing anything up for my taste.
Rickson could have been one of the greatest fighters in MMA history had he been born later and the sport developed earlier. He was the absolute shit.
MMA_scientist
05-07-2010, 09:53 PM
^^^^ I just wish that, if he REALLY believes that he is "100% sure" that he could beat Fedor and all these other guys out there today that he'd step up and do it.
I'm sure he's a great BJJ guy, even at his age, but he runs his mouth too much without backing anything up for my taste.
I agree. I really wish he would STFU.
The way these second generation Gracie guys think though, they own MMA. Since the family brought MMA to the world they think everyone that does mma now is their student. So they feel like they can criticize, and say "you're not doing right."
I can't remember if Rickson said he woudl beat Fedor or just if Fedor has poor technique (which to be fair, he kind of does have shitty technique in both grappling and striking). Either way, they have giant egos. Except Royler, who is cool as hell and doesn't have an ego at all.
I actually watched Strikeforece (Fedor/Rogers) with Royler. True story.
Rickson has raised the anger of some in the MMA community by criticizing the abilities of current top fighters, claiming that he could beat them easily. In an interview with Tokyo Sports, Rickson argued that Fedor Emelianenko is a great athlete, but possesses "so-so" technical ability, and that he (Rickson) is "100% sure" that he would defeat him. Previous comments of this sort that Rickson made about Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (claiming that Nogueira has no "guard") prompted Wanderlei Silva to say that Rickson is "living in a fantasy world."
::fight::
I can't remember if Rickson said he woudl beat Fedor or just if Fedor has poor technique (which to be fair, he kind of does have shitty technique in both grappling and striking).
He said he would beat him. Not only said he would beat him, but said he was "100% sure" he would beat him. I'm pretty sure he also said he would beat Brock.
Either way, they have giant egos. Except Royler, who is cool as hell and doesn't have an ego at all.
Renzo has always seemed like the nicest guy to me.
I know I've heard that Wandy's full fantasy world comment was "Rickson is living in a fantasy world . . . like Star Wars." And that shit just cracks my ass up.
Svino
05-07-2010, 10:19 PM
I actually watched Strikeforece (Fedor/Rogers) with Royler. True story.
Really? Cool.
I have all the respect in the world for Rickson's BJJ skills. (If Jacare says it, I'll believe it.) I was never impressed by his attitude, though. He seems like a sore loser (like against Tripp), and a bully (like against Duarte and Anjo). I'm not sure he had a mindset that would have let him become great in MMA. He was always too insecure to admit that he was beaten or that he might be beaten. He always picked his fights, and never got away from the "BJJ is all you need" mantra of the Gracie family.
There was a scene in "Choke" where Rickson was playing chess with a member of his family. When he starts to lose, he just messes up the board. Pretty much sums up how I see his personality.
MMA_scientist
05-07-2010, 10:47 PM
I actually watched Strikeforece (Fedor/Rogers) with Royler. True story.
Really? Cool.
I have all the respect in the world for Rickson's BJJ skills. (If Jacare says it, I'll believe it.) I was never impressed by his attitude, though. He seems like a sore loser (like against Tripp), and a bully (like against Duarte and Anjo). I'm not sure he had a mindset that would have let him become great in MMA. He was always too insecure to admit that he was beaten or that he might be beaten. He always picked his fights, and never got away from the "BJJ is all you need" mantra of the Gracie family.
There was a scene in "Choke" where Rickson was playing chess with a member of his family. When he starts to lose, he just messes up the board. Pretty much sums up how I see his personality.
agreed on all counts. Unfortunately, what I think makes him so good is an innate sense of timing and balance, rather than repetition and perfect technique.
Still, until I hear otherwise, Rickson is the GOAT.
I agree though, I don't care for him.
And, yes Royler came in to do a seminar and he came over that night and watched the fights. It was pretty BA.
Did you guys see when Rickson fought Maia?
http://i42.tinypic.com/11ahj7a.jpg
ManBoobKilla
05-08-2010, 03:25 PM
Roger is second best grappler in the world. Rickson is number one but I could be a little biased
Agreed. Rickson is the man. Why would you be biased though?
Because I am in the rickson gracie association and train under one of his black belts. The guy is absolutely insane. He is coming to my bjj school end of may for a private 40 person seminar. He is not 400-0 though he is 400-1 and that one was from a sambo match. About him beating fedor i think he would submit him if it was a grappling match but in an mma match probably not
MMA_scientist
05-08-2010, 03:53 PM
^^
Cool
I have been to an "invisible jiu jitsu" Rickson seminar.
ManBoobKilla
05-08-2010, 03:56 PM
^^
Cool
I have been to an "invisible jiu jitsu" Rickson seminar.
Nice!! where was it? Tennessee? i love the whole invisible jiu jitsu that rickson does and teaches
MMA_scientist
05-08-2010, 04:14 PM
yep nashville
What the fuck is invisible jiujitsu?
What the fuck is invisible jiujitsu?
juijitsu you cant see with your eyes ,only your mind ::handshake::
What the fuck is invisible jiujitsu?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=invisible+jiu+jitsu
ManBoobKilla
05-08-2010, 04:42 PM
What the fuck is invisible jiujitsu?
Rickson believes in teaching the invisible techniques that you cant see with your eyes. It sets him apart from a lot of people.
Rickson believes in teaching the invisible techniques that you cant see with your eyes. It sets him apart from a lot of people.
I still don't know what you're talking about.
"invisible techniques you can't see with your eyes?"
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=invisible+jiu+jitsu
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zY+is+a+douche
Rickson believes in teaching the invisible techniques that you cant see with your eyes. It sets him apart from a lot of people.
I still don't know what you're talking about.
"invisible techniques you can't see with your eyes?"
No clue
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=invisible+jiu+jitsu
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zY+is+a+douche
Haha it links to some thread on Sherdog where I told someone "GTFO, you size 12 douche. I hope you die of AIDS and octagon related injuries."
zY, you are such a charmer. . .
[quote="zY|":34sv685i]
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=invisible+jiu+jitsu
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=zY+is+a+douche
Haha it links to some thread on Sherdog where I told someone "GTFO, you size 12 douche. I hope you die of AIDS and octagon related injuries."[/quote:34sv685i]
So who were you pissing off at sherdog?
ManBoobKilla
05-08-2010, 06:19 PM
Rickson believes in teaching the invisible techniques that you cant see with your eyes. It sets him apart from a lot of people.
I still don't know what you're talking about.
"invisible techniques you can't see with your eyes?"
I guess im not doing a good job explaining here is a link to what invisible jiu jitsu means and is.
http://elementsfitness.blogspot.com/2009/01/invisible-jiu-jitsu.html
MMA_scientist
05-08-2010, 06:38 PM
^ its a lot obout breathing and positioning your body in the most advantageous position biomechanically. Basically Rickson is all about taking bjj back to its roots. He doesn't believe in a bunch of stupid rubber guard techiniques. He believes that you when you get the leverage advantage, the move WILL create a chain reaction that will inevitable lead to your demise. Its badass.
He is all about the positional heirarchy of bjj. Like you said SPX, the moves are not what makes bjj. The moves have been around for centuries. Its about refinement, leverage, efficiency, and a positional hierarchy.
It is everything I love about grappling. Where someone else sees a guy laying on top of a guy, I see a micro battle for posture or just trying to get the hips offset in guard.
ManBoobKilla
05-10-2010, 01:23 PM
This event is on in 5 days and there are still no odds out?? whats going on?
This shit always happens with Strikeforce for some reason.
ManBoobKilla
05-10-2010, 01:28 PM
Any guesses on the betting odds?
Arlovski= -190
Overeem= -220
Gracie= -250
Jacare= -150
poopoo333
05-10-2010, 01:36 PM
Any guesses on the betting odds?
Arlovski= -190
Overeem= -220
Gracie= -250
Jacare= -150
If Jacare is -150 I will be a very happy person.
MMA_scientist
05-10-2010, 01:40 PM
agreed, I expect Jacare to be in the -359 range. I need to look at Villesignor's TD defense.
also, Gracie will be like -400 IMO>
-359
That's a very specific prediction.
ManBoobKilla
05-10-2010, 01:42 PM
o ok. what about overeem arlovski??
MMA_scientist
05-10-2010, 01:51 PM
-359
That's a very specific prediction.
well, the "0" is next the "9"...
My guesses that were posted earlier in this thread
Arlovski -250
Overeem- -200
Gracie -400
Jacare -450
MMA_scientist
05-10-2010, 01:53 PM
I think AA will be -200 to -250
Overeem a slighter favorite, my guess: -170
but then again, I horrible at guessing opening lines.
poopoo333
05-10-2010, 01:54 PM
AA:-175
Overeem:-200
I really think Overeem will win, but this article may have influenced me:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/5/5/146 ... on-overeem (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/5/5/1460070/a-different-perspective-on-overeem)
well, the "0" is next to the "9"...
Ha ha, okay.
^^I think that article is patently false about his chin. Make no mistake if Rogers hits him flush he's likely going to crash and burn.
Still, Overeem at -200ish would be a solid bet. He's the far more skilled fighter.
southbaysurf
05-10-2010, 03:40 PM
Overeem IS -280. (as of last Thurs)
Overeem IS -280. (as of last Thurs)
What about everyone else on the card ? You got any of the other lines?
ManBoobKilla
05-10-2010, 05:29 PM
Overeem IS -280. (as of last Thurs)
Where did you get that from?
MMA_scientist
05-10-2010, 05:30 PM
Overeem IS -280. (as of last Thurs)
Where did you get that from?
From his secret Vegas casino that he won't tell you about.
But that does not necessarily mean the line will open at the online books in the same place.
From his secret Vegas casino that he won't tell you about.
I still say source or it didn't happen.
From his secret Vegas casino that he won't tell you about.
I still say source or it didn't happen.
Palazzo Las Vegas ::handshake::
MMA_scientist
05-10-2010, 05:43 PM
From his secret Vegas casino that he won't tell you about.
I still say source or it didn't happen.
Palazzo Las Vegas ::handshake::
That was what I guessed, but he never confirmed it.
ManBoobKilla
05-10-2010, 05:45 PM
I was looking at the card and am kinda bummed that Fancy pants isnt on the main card. That is going to be a good fight. I think Fancy pants take this. what do you guys think. Ribeiro or Beerbohm?
Well he won't be submitting Shaolin.
MMA_scientist
05-10-2010, 05:49 PM
Ribiero.
poopoo333
05-11-2010, 10:35 PM
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/261.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
.5u on Rogers at +245 immediately. He is underrated.
My guesses were from earlier in the thread:
Arlovski -250
Overeem- -200
Gracie -400
Jacare -450
The only one I dont agree with is Overeem which I thought would be lower the rest are just about what I thought
I'll be on Gracie for a unit for sure at -450
poopoo333
05-11-2010, 10:46 PM
I may end up doing a grappling extraordinaire parlay of Jacare/Gracie.
Wow AA's line going down .Didnt expect that. I might end up bitting on that one
poopoo333
05-11-2010, 11:06 PM
Is it just me or is the Ribeiro line off?
High5
05-11-2010, 11:09 PM
Is it just me or is the Ribeiro line off?
And getting better......now at -115
poopoo333
05-11-2010, 11:17 PM
Wow AA's line going down .Didnt expect that. I might end up bitting on that one
-155 now, it keeps dropping. I hope it stays like this when I get the line
AA at -155 now I'll officially be on him as soon as 5dimes opens the lines.
I had this at -250.How can AA only be -155 against a big,dumb,slow animal?
Wow AA's line going down .Didnt expect that. I might end up bitting on that one
-155 now, it keeps dropping. I hope it stays like this when I get the line
Just saw that too.I'm going to be on AA now for sure
High5
05-11-2010, 11:41 PM
Overeem is also dropping and now -250.....
poopoo333
05-11-2010, 11:43 PM
Besides the Britt fight (I don't know much about them), I think all the favorites will win on this card.
Overeem is also dropping and now -250.....
I agree with that line movement
High5
05-11-2010, 11:54 PM
AA is on his way back up...
I took him for 4u @ -160, he is now -165.
AA is on his way back up...
I took him for 4u @ -160, he is now -165.
GL man I wonder where its going to settle?
I grabbed him for 1.5u at -155.
I grabbed him for 1.5u at -155.
You grab him I'll grab your mom
You grab him I'll grab your mom
Your mom thought that was a pretty funny joke. I just asked her. She's right here. In my kitchen.
You grab him I'll grab your mom
Your mom thought that was a pretty funny joke. I just asked her. She's right here. In my kitchen.
::shake::
poopoo333
05-12-2010, 07:58 AM
2u on AA @-165
Thewiseman
05-12-2010, 08:32 AM
Im not sure about AA. Im worried Silva will take him down, and I wonder about AA chin.
Villasenor .12u to win .5u
Randleman .15u to win .5u
Rogers .47u to win 1u
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 11:26 AM
5u on Arlovski @ -177
I am disappointed in Roger and Jacare's lines.
I reallt did not expect Roger to open @ -450. That is insane. I am a huge fan, but he has 2 fights.
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 11:30 AM
I think AA has the takedown defense to stave off Silva. Plus Silva gassed against Werdum. Silva pretty much needs to take him down, mount him and pound him out in round one to beat him. I think the line on AA is a gift because of his recent spectacular layoffs.
Werdum was -150 against Silva (I remember because I also took Werdum for 5u).
Anyone think Jacare is worth taking even at his current price?
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 11:42 AM
I am a huge fan of Jacare and Roger... but I just can't get behind those lines. Villesenor is no clown. He could beat Jacare by avoiding the ground and standing up quickly when he gets taken down, which he will because Jacare is the man. Randleman only has to grapple with Roger if he wants to, which he should know that he is going to get subbed if he grapples with him. The good news for Roger is that he is much taller, like 6'5 or so. But Roger even admits that he can't strike for shit.
In other news, I am going to this event... and the word is that I might get to be backstage w/ Roger. Watch to make sure I am not in his corner. I will flash you a sign if I am ringside.
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 11:44 AM
Anyone think Jacare is worth taking even at his current price?
If anyone would supoprt Jacare, it would be me... but I cannot get behind him @ nearly -500. Recall that in his second fight with Mayhem, he was not able to close the distance enough to get the takedown. Yes, it was in a ring. But Mayhem can't strike either.
In other news, I am going to this event... and the word is that I might get to be backstage w/ Roger. Watch to make sure I am not in his corner. I will flash you a sign if I am ringside.
Damn, you got all kinds of contacts and shit, don't you?
Mr. IWS
05-12-2010, 11:53 AM
Im gonna probably just parlay Jacare and Hoger.
Mr. IWS
05-12-2010, 11:53 AM
In other news, I am going to this event... and the word is that I might get to be backstage w/ Roger. Watch to make sure I am not in his corner. I will flash you a sign if I am ringside.
Nice. Flash us a crip sign if your there.
I am a huge fan of Jacare and Roger... but I just can't get behind those lines. Villesenor is no clown. He could beat Jacare by avoiding the ground and standing up quickly when he gets taken down, which he will because Jacare is the man. Randleman only has to grapple with Roger if he wants to, which he should know that he is going to get subbed if he grapples with him. The good news for Roger is that he is much taller, like 6'5 or so. But Roger even admits that he can't strike for shit.
In other news, I am going to this event... and the word is that I might get to be backstage w/ Roger. Watch to make sure I am not in his corner. I will flash you a sign if I am ringside.
If you are ringside I want you to have a sign that says "SPX is a bitch"
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 12:10 PM
In other news, I am going to this event... and the word is that I might get to be backstage w/ Roger. Watch to make sure I am not in his corner. I will flash you a sign if I am ringside.
Damn, you got all kinds of contacts and shit, don't you?
BJJ: Its how I roll.
Mr. IWS
05-12-2010, 12:13 PM
BJJ: Its how I roll.
no he didnt.
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 12:15 PM
[quote="MMA_scientist":p1d0s9w6]
BJJ: Its how I roll.
no he didnt.[/quote:p1d0s9w6]
I just stuck a pun right in your face. And I was like, there it is. Pun on the internet. Boom.
So since you guys rub cocks on the regular, do you call him Roger or Hoger?
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 12:57 PM
He wants to be called Roger. But in portugese I think it is pronounced hoe-shur.
I've wondered about that, because I know that Mir called him "Roger" in the American pronunciation. I don't know that much about Portuguese, but it made me wonder if sometimes Rs are pronounced like American Rs or if Mir was just fucking it up.
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 01:16 PM
I've wondered about that, because I know that Mir called him "Roger" in the American pronunciation. I don't know that much about Portuguese, but it made me wonder if sometimes Rs are pronounced like American Rs or if Mir was just fucking it up.
I think Roger is just like, well, we are speaking english. So pronounce it in english. In english it is pronounced Roger. Just like jesus is gee-zuz. We don't pronounce is hay-seus.
I think Roger is just like, well, we are speaking english. So pronounce it in english. In english it is pronounced Roger. Just like jesus is gee-zuz. We don't pronounce is hay-seus.
Yeah, but most people still say "Hoyce" and "Henzo."
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 01:45 PM
I think Roger is just like, well, we are speaking english. So pronounce it in english. In english it is pronounced Roger. Just like jesus is gee-zuz. We don't pronounce is hay-seus.
Yeah, but most people still say "Hoyce" and "Henzo."
True, but there is not really an english counterpart to those names. It is Roger's preference, that's all I really know, I am guessing at his reason for the preference.
True, but there is not really an english counterpart to those names. It is Roger's preference, that's all I really know, I am guessing at his reason for the preference.
Indeed. Well it makes sense.
Ok good. Pronouncing it Hoger like many people do makes me want to stab my eyes out. It's even worse than 'Hyan' Gracie, or 'Fuh-door'.
Ryan's another one that's always fucked me up. I've always been like, "Am I supposed to just pronounce it like it looks or keep doing the H thing. . ."
edman5555
05-12-2010, 04:43 PM
Anyone think randleman might be worth a small bet? his striking must be better than Gracies but I only say that because gracie is so new. He is much shorter though so i'm assuming his reach is crap compared to rogers. Thoughts?
If you are ringside I want you to have a sign that says "SPX is a bitch"
First off, for some reason I had some strange, real life deja vu when I ran across this post. I really did have the sense that I had been here before. Which lead to a long string of thought regarding the nature of deja vu, and wondering if possibly in our dreams we precognitively glimpse the future, but fail to remember the dream. Then when the actual event occurs, our subconsious brings back the memory of the dream and allows us to make the conscious correlation, even if we don't actually know what we're correlating the experience with. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
Second off, Luke, you're stupid.
Mr. IWS
05-12-2010, 04:51 PM
If you are ringside I want you to have a sign that says "SPX is a bitch"
First off, for some reason I had some strange, real life deja vu when I ran across this post. I really did have the sense that I had been here before. Which lead to a long string of thought regarding the nature of deja vu, and wondering if possible in our dreams we precognitively glimpse the future, but fail to remember the dream. Then when the actual event occurs, our subconsious brings back the memory of the dream and allows us to make the conscious correlation, even if we don't actually know what we're correlating the experience with. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
Second off, Luke, you're stupid.
hahaha
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 04:53 PM
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
I have a thought: You're high.
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 04:54 PM
I promise you that I won't have a SPX is a bitch sign when I get cage side.
It will say SPX is a punk ass bitch. So your future memory theory is obviously wrong.
I have a thought: You're high.
No, I'm being serious. I really do believe that humans have an innate, if generally uncontrollable, precognitive ability.
Do you have a better explanation for deja vu?
It will say SPX is a punk ass bitch. So your future memory theory is obviously wrong.
Look, motherfucker. . .
My deja vu was of finding Luke's post . . . not of you holding a sign at a UFC.
So shut the fuck up.
Mr. IWS
05-12-2010, 05:00 PM
This thread is spiraling out of control.....
Mr. IWS
05-12-2010, 05:03 PM
Anyone think randleman might be worth a small bet? his striking must be better than Gracies but I only say that because gracie is so new. He is much shorter though so i'm assuming his reach is crap compared to rogers. Thoughts?
a small bet, probably.
But I think you have to take into account, the bout of staph that Randleman had. It had to effect his training, and he has been notorious lately for gassing. I think Roger will win, but thats purely me betting AGAINST Randleman, because to be honest, there isnt enough to go on in terms of video for Roger.
This thread is spiraling out of control.....
It's chaos theory.
http://www.slook.co.uk/shop/product_thumb.php?img=images/chaos.jpg&w=130&h=130
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 05:04 PM
I have a thought: You're high.
No, I'm being serious. I really do believe that humans have an innate, if generally uncontrollable, precognitive ability.
Do you have a better explanation for deja vu?
yes. my mind has beeb taken over by aliens and they planted a rewind button in my brain. About once every 6 months they just test the rewind button to make sure it works. So when I feel like it happened before, it did.
No, I am like Billy Pilgrim and I become momentarily "unstuck in time." I have briefly visited my other home on Tralfamador.
Equally valid theory wouldn't you agree?
Zak, can you change my user name to Billy Pilgrim? I want it.
^^^^ I don't think it's equally valid at all. I think there's solid evidence to suggest that that humans do have such an ESP ability. It's pretty well documented, in fact.
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 05:18 PM
^^^^ I don't think it's equally valid at all. I think there's solid evidence to suggest that that humans do have such an ESP ability. It's pretty well documented, in fact.
Wait- what?
I don't think there is a singel shred of credible evidence for esp.
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/is_esp_real_harvard_scientists_say_they_have_settl ed_the_debate
as for aliens, well obviously its a government conspiracy.
MMA_scientist
05-12-2010, 05:19 PM
and why hasn't my user name been changed. I am BillyPilrim now and that is all there is to it.
The problem with ESP, and establishing its existence scientifically, is it that it's often a random phenomenon that can't be captured in a bottle and, therefore, does not lend itself to being easily replicated in a laboratory setting.
Let me share one story with you and take it for what it's worth. It didn't happen to me, but it did happen to my dad, a person that I trust more than anyone else on this earth:
One night he went to sleep and had a dream. He dreamed that he was going to work and was walking up to the security gate. While doing so, one of his supervisors came out and told him that there had been an explosion at the plant (he worked at a chemical plant) and that one particular individual had died. Then he woke up and looked at the clock and it was 3:32 AM.
The next day, he was going to work, and yes, he was walking up to the security gate and his supervisor--the same one from the dream--came out to meet him and told him that there had been an explosion the night before. He then said that the individual my dad had dreamed about was involved . . . though there was one difference: instead of dying in the explosion, the guy made it out okay. My dad asked what time and the supervisor said it was sometime after 3 AM.
Being of a skeptical nature myself, I'm sure you either think my dad is either a) lying, b) it's a coincidence, or c) the fact that there's a difference between the dream and the actual encounter means the whole thing has to be thrown out. But I would state my life on the fact that my dad is sincerely relating this story and I also think that's far too much to chalk up to coincidence.
Also, that's not the only story I've been told of similar--if less powerful--happenings.
So yes, I believe that instances of precognition and other psychic phenomena are real, and I believe that they are actually fairly common in society.
First off, for some reason I had some strange, real life deja vu when I ran across this post. I really did have the sense that I had been here before. Which lead to a long string of thought regarding the nature of deja vu, and wondering if possibly in our dreams we precognitively glimpse the future, but fail to remember the dream. Then when the actual event occurs, our subconsious brings back the memory of the dream and allows us to make the conscious correlation, even if we don't actually know what we're correlating the experience with. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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One flew over the cuckoos nest
SPX has lost it ::haptime::
It will say SPX is a punk ass bitch. So your future memory theory is obviously wrong.
::lmao::
This thread is spiraling out of control.....
You aint shitting me .I leave for a few hours and these loons start talking ESP,deja vu,and aliens
::haptime:: ::haptime:: ::haptime::
One flew over the cuckoos nest
SPX has lost it ::haptime::
I would not expect a simpleton to understand such lofty ideas. . .
One flew over the cuckoos nest
SPX has lost it ::haptime::
I would not expect a simpleton to understand such lofty ideas. . .
you spelled looney wrong ::handshake::
you spelled looney wrong ::handshake::
LOL
you spelled looney wrong ::handshake::
LOL
your mom
your mom
I'm too busy arguing with Scientist about ESP right now to worry about you. . .
Svino
05-12-2010, 07:06 PM
I don't think there is a singel shred of credible evidence for esp.
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/is_esp_real_harvard_scientists_say_they_have_settl ed_the_debate
Furthermore, research studies have been reported that appear to support the existence of ESP, including an influential series of experiments analyzed by psychologist Daryl Bem of Cornell University.
LOL, I remember him - kind of a strange guy. He actually used to come in and give a guest lecture to the Psych 101 class on his "psi" research. His experiments showed that if a picture were flashed in one room and then you quizzed a person in a different room about it, they would have like a 27% chance of getting the right one out of four choices. Sometimes, there would be a "sender". Anyway, I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of scientists think psychic phenomena are not the most likely explanation for his results.
Don't let that deter you though, SPX. ESP is in your blood. Tonight I want you to try to dream about "Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery" and then get back to us on the fight results.
your mom
I'm too busy arguing with Scientist about ESP right now to worry about you. . .
Where's this war going on at?
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Don't let that deter you though, SPX. ESP is in your blood. Tonight I want you to try to dream about "Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery" and then get back to us on the fight results.
He's to busy dreaming about me and my posts to worry about Strikeforce
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