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Svino
07-03-2010, 08:25 PM
Woah! I didn't realize the undercard had started already. I just won two bets (2U on Madsen, and 1U on Roberts) without realizing it. Yay.
(also have 2U on Krzysztof)
[Edit: Whoops, it seems I fell for the old "bet X" vs. "bet to win X" trap. So I actually have a little over 4U on Krzysztof. I feel silly.]
My bets, for the record:
Carwin: 1u to win 1.7u
Bonnar: .5u to win 1u
Akiyama: 2.25u to win 1.1u
Pellegrino: .5u to win .8u
Grove: .5u to win .68u
OMFG Harris has been on fire!!!
Why the fuck is Sherdog always so far behind Junkie in their PBP?
edman5555
07-03-2010, 08:52 PM
because sherdog kinda sucks. In all areas.
Svino
07-03-2010, 08:58 PM
Grove / Reljic sounds close.
Groveeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
via split decision. . .
Mr. IWS
07-03-2010, 09:04 PM
Anyone rocking a link?
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-02/art/oot-link07.gif
Svino
07-03-2010, 09:04 PM
Anyone rocking a link?
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-ufc-116.html
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-ufc-116.html
Awesome, thanks!
Petruzelli throws the wierdest looking punches. He sort of throws a straight and then right before it would hit he loops his arm out and then back in like he's trying to get a whiplash on the punch or something.
Jesus Petruzelli has some shit cardio. He just tapped out AFTER the buzzer after slumping over while stepping out of a takedown attempt.
Mr. IWS
07-03-2010, 09:11 PM
Did Seth just tap?
Damn, Petruzelli has no gas tank. If he had great cardio then he probably would've finished this already.
Holy shit he about ripped that arm right off.
Thanks to Romero for winning me some cash after many nervous moments.
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I actually seen that fight even though I might miss most of them .Both those guys has shit gas tanks
added .7u to win 1.5u on Tuchschererererer
"You're facing your first significant test in Shane Carwin."
I wonder how Mir and Couture feel about that shit.
Svino
07-03-2010, 09:33 PM
"You're facing your first significant test in Shane Carwin."
I wonder how Mir and Couture feel about that shit.
Did he say that? Yeah, that's kind of fucked up.
Did he say that? Yeah, that's kind of fucked up.
Yeah, Rogan said it while he was interviewing Lesnar.
Mir is probably watching tonights main event while jacking off using his own tears for lubricant.
Couture is no doubt hunting for wayward youths so he can drink they're blood for sustenance.
Crowbar looks fit for a change. Well, fit for him.
Crowbar looks fit for a change. Well, fit for him.
I'm not sure I'd be calling the nigga fit and shit. . .
Damn, that was easy money for anyone who bet Schaub.
Svino
07-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Well, maybe we'll get to see one of the undercard fights.
Well, maybe we'll get to see one of the undercard fights.
I wanna see the Gerald Harris KO.
Ha ha ha ha ha aha hahaahfshf
LOL at Tuschererer. Sry but everyone was on his bandwagon for this fight so badly.
It wasn't so much being on Tuchscherers bandwagon so much as Shaub was untested against a full sized heavyweight who was a good wrestler and wasn't afraid to stand up(barring Nelson, cause he knocked Shaub the fuck out).
It wasn't so much being on Tuchscherers bandwagon so much as Shaub was untested against a full sized heavyweight who was a good wrestler and wasn't afraid to stand up(barring Nelson, cause he knocked Shaub the fuck out).
Well he got taken down by Madsen on TUF, got up and knocked him out.
I thought the stoppage was kinda lame, only about 2 good shots really landed. But meh, Tuch was probably done anyways.
I think it mostly just had to do with the fact that Tuch was turtled up and not doing anything.
Very nice.
Branch didn't know where the fuck he was at.
Damn I love how Gerald crossfaced him to push his head back then slammed him right on it.
That's brutal, brutal shit right there.
Harris has beaten 3 undefeated fighters consecutively. No easy fights!
My stream's getting choppy. Anyone got a good one?
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
Awesome, homey. 'Preciate it.
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
Thanks.
Damn, Pinot Grigio got fucked up that round.
This is gay.
Agreed. Snuffleupagus is beast.
Watching him pass guard is a thing of beauty.
Kurt needs to get crazy and go for broke.
Total shutout.
You wouldn't give Pellegrino the third?
Wow Kurt, where was that the first 14:58?
Total shutout.
You wouldn't give Pellegrino the third?
Before the last 3 seconds, no. After that, maybe.
I posted that with 15 seconds left, lol.
If Sotiropoulos was hurt that bad he wouldn't have gotten up automatically when buzzer sounded.
I knew we weren't getting a good ol' fashioned screwjob when I heard those scores.
Svino
07-03-2010, 10:34 PM
For a second there I thought the ref was stopping the fight within the distance and I was going to be pissed.
If Sotiropoulos was hurt that bad he wouldn't have gotten up automatically when buzzer sounded.
Probably not, but I would've liked to have had another 30 seconds on the clock.
Well that pretty much cancels out my Grove win.
This shit is funny.
http://twitter.com/JudgeCecil_P
who has won since the PPV card started? Fireworks just got over
anyone got a good link so I dont have to search for one?
who has won since the PPV card started? Fireworks just got over
Snuffleupagus just dominated PelicanRhino to a decision.
Bonnar/Sos is coming up.
anyone got a good link so I dont have to search for one?
That's a damn good question because mine died.
Try the veetle one.
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
Try the veetle one.
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
'
thanks ::handshake::
If Bonnar loses this one, does he get cut?
If Bonnar loses this one, does he get cut?
he should but I dont know
he should but I dont know
Oh really? You didn't talk to Dana earlier about this?
LOL fun round.
10-9 Krystoff I guess.
he should but I dont know
Oh really? You didn't talk to Dana earlier about this?
haha
Entertaining fight so far.
Really close round.
Yeah I had it for Bonnar until the last 30 seconds where he just stood there and got punched a lot.
Svino
07-03-2010, 10:54 PM
Damn, I have to admit this is closer than I thought it would be. Not feeling good about that accidently-large bet.
Svino
07-03-2010, 10:55 PM
Damn.
Damn, I have to admit this is closer than I thought it would be. Not feeling good about that accidently-large bet.
Sucks, dude. Sorry you lost those dollars.
I had money on Bonnar, but it sucks to lose money.
BTW Bonnar looks fucked up.
Haha goddamn. war Bonnar
WAR BONNAR!!!!!!!!!
Time for Bonnar/Coleman II. . .
Svino
07-03-2010, 10:57 PM
Damn, I have to admit this is closer than I thought it would be. Not feeling good about that accidently-large bet.
Sucks, dude. Sorry you lost those dollars.
I had money on Bonnar, but it sucks to lose money.
BTW Bonnar looks fucked up.
Well, grats. Bonnar was definitely the right side of that one.
Bonnar's face looks fucked up. He looks like some shit out of Lord of the Rings.
SPX please text me the results of the fights till I text you back. I'm heading home from the fireworks .I lost your number or I would have texted you
Please start with the Bonnar fight
tell him Lesnar won and then raped Joe Rogan in the middle of the octagon or something crazy...
Svino
07-03-2010, 11:14 PM
Decided to lose more $ tonight. 1U on Carwin.
Svino
07-03-2010, 11:18 PM
That was a good little fight.
Did he verbally tap or did Mazz just stop it?
So my connection said fuck it. What happened?
So my connection said fuck it. What happened?
Lytle just locked up sub of the night that's what happened.
And by that I mean straight armbar with a mounted triangle.
Jesus Christ.
What the FUCK! Why did I have to miss that?
BOL. Akiyama is walking out to Por Ti Volare???
Akiyama's entrance is epic.
I really like Leben, but Sexyama's gotta win this one for me.
Closer round than I was hoping but it's gotta go to Akiyama.
Closer round than I was hoping but it's gotta go to Akiyama.
Judo FTW.
Svino
07-03-2010, 11:37 PM
Heh. I would have laughed if we saw back-to-back mounted-inverse-triangle-armlocks.
Ok, as awesome as that just was, Akiyama does NOT need to brawl with Leben. I don't care how hurt he is.
just got home link anyone?
Ok, as awesome as that just was, Akiyama does NOT need to brawl with Leben. I don't care how hurt he is.
Ha ha.
Word.
Win or lose this one though, Leben has once again proven that he comes to fight.
just got home link anyone?
If you have Veetle. . .
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
What the fuck am I watching?
Akiyama better get a jolt of energy.
Svino
07-03-2010, 11:42 PM
Ah. Nothing like a great defensive chess-match.
God these fans are idiots.
Junkie gives both rounds 1 and 2 to Akiyama.
I would probably give #2 to Leben.
Junkie gives both rounds 1 and 2 to Akiyama.
I would probably give #2 to Leben.
I wouldn't argue either way. I think these scores will be all over. :fingerscrossed:
Fuck it.
I had money on Akiyama, but that was fucking sick.
Well that just kills my night right there.
Svino
07-03-2010, 11:49 PM
Nice sub. I wasn't expecting that.
Fuck it.
I had money on Akiyama, but that was fucking sick.
Real money or fake money?
And yes, Leben's fucking awesome. I've always liked Leben.
The gayness is that that was a textbook underdog bet that I would've taken if I could've gotten him before the line got pounded.
That was fucking AWESOME. I haven't been that pumped at the end of a fight in a LONG time. WAR LEBEN!!!!
I bet Akiyama wishes he hasn't taken this fight now.
Fuck it.
I had money on Akiyama, but that was fucking sick.
Real money or fake money?
And yes, Leben's fucking awesome. I've always liked Leben.
Both.
LOL I think I'm down to like 25 bucks in the game now. Maybe Brock will win.
so Leben won ? I still cant get a working link
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
And yeah, he won by Triangle choke.
so Leben won ? I still cant get a working link
dude, I gave you a working link.
Install Veetle, and. . .
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
so Leben won ? I still cant get a working link
Yes
I can't believe you're missing this card.
Leben/Akiyama was probably the fight of the year so far.
At least Akiyama he's going to be getting an FOTN bonus.
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
And yeah, he won by Triangle choke.
thanks Ludo
and thanks
Why are Goldberg and Rogan touching each other?
via twitter, rofl
"WarMachine170
Oh ya watching UFC for FREE online!!!! Hahahaha! Never will pay to watch gay lesnar fight"
I thought he was in jail?
Harley-Davidson Prep Point
I thought he was in jail?
Not yet I don't think.
Or who knows, he probably gets a free laptop with wifi in county.
BOL. Last I heard he was in jail for going all christfuck on a bunch of pornstars at some party or something.
Okay, well fuck. ..
Someone want to help with a stream?
Lets go Lesnar you big dumb animal. Dont make me look like an ass
Try sopcast, channelsurfing i dunno. I ordered this one.
Svino
07-04-2010, 12:06 AM
Okay, well fuck. ..
Someone want to help with a stream?
the veetle channel is still working for me:
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c14214ad456a
Okay, well fuck. ..
Someone want to help with a stream?
http://wweuniverso.net/
Lesnar's a bad mofo no matter what happens .I thought he was done for on his back
http://wweuniverso.net/
Thanks, got it.
Svino
07-04-2010, 12:14 AM
Looked good, but I'm worried that Carwin blew all his energy.
Svino
07-04-2010, 12:15 AM
Nothing but orthodox stance for Brock, BTW.
Lesnar with the takedown COME ON you stupid animal
Svino
07-04-2010, 12:17 AM
Damn. Good win Luke.
Who would have thought that Lesnar would win by ARM TRIANGLE?
Damn. Good win Luke.
Thanks
+2.2u on the night.
great job Ludo
+3 units
Thanks Lesnar ::winna::
Hell yeah. I was waiting for Lesnar to get to -120 to drop another 1.2u on him but he never did. I wish I'd gone for another unit or so off him.
Good going, Luke.
I guess that answers the question about Carwin's gas tank.
1 and done.
Well, fuck it.
Later, dudes.
Off to put a bullet in my head.
Svino
07-04-2010, 12:25 AM
Ended up -2U after a very promising start. Good job to all who came out ahead.
Well, fuck it.
Later, dudes.
Off to put a bullet in my head.
What?
did you have a bad night? I wasnt around most of the night I didnt even see what you bet
I guess that answers the question about Carwin's gas tank.
1 and done.
I'd chalk it up to inexperience. He should've let up after Brock didn't die with the first 30 punches.
Cain is going to bash Brock's head in. Bank on it.
Hell yeah. I was waiting for Lesnar to get to -120 to drop another 1.2u on him but he never did. I wish I'd gone for another unit or so off him.
Good going, Luke.
I'll admit I thought seriously thought Lesnar was in deep shit in the first
What?
did you have a bad night? I wasnt around most of the night I didnt even see what you bet
Lost a little over 2u. Akiyama really fucked me.
I should've just bet on Leben and rolled with it.
Hell yeah. I was waiting for Lesnar to get to -120 to drop another 1.2u on him but he never did. I wish I'd gone for another unit or so off him.
Good going, Luke.
I'll admit I thought seriously thought Lesnar was in deep shit in the first
LOL he WAS in deep shit!
I'd chalk it up to inexperience. He should've let up after Brock didn't die with the first 30 punches.
Cain is going to bash Brock's head in. Bank on it.
LOL hows that?Cain cant pound out a fly on the ground.If Carwin couldnt stop Lesnar while on the ground no way Cain can
Cain is going to bash Brock's head in. Bank on it.
I actually think he might.
But I still think JDS is the future champ.
LOL he WAS in deep shit!
I'll never question his chin again. He took some bombs on the ground and stayed alive
Lost a little over 2u. Akiyama really fucked me.
I should've just bet on Leben and rolled with it.
2 units and you're for the gun ? seriously?
I didnt see the Akiyama fight .I'll have to watch it tomorrow with the rest i missed
I'd chalk it up to inexperience. He should've let up after Brock didn't die with the first 30 punches.
Cain is going to bash Brock's head in. Bank on it.
LOL hows that?Cain cant pound out a fly on the ground.If Carwin couldnt stop Lesnar while on the ground no way Cain can
Because he'll do that for 5 rounds if he has to.
2 units and you're for the gun ? seriously?
I didnt see the Akiyama fight .I'll have to watch it tomorrow with the rest i missed
I feel like I have some invisible force keeping me from meeting my goals. Everytime I start to break out, some shit like this happens.
that Akiyama fight was reminiscent of the Korean Zombie/Garcia at times. Akiyama fought a smart fight at times and an utterly stupid one at others. The fact that he gassed out had alot to do with him losing.
2 units and you're for the gun ? seriously?
I didnt see the Akiyama fight .I'll have to watch it tomorrow with the rest i missed
I feel like I have some invisible force keeping me from meeting my goals. Everytime I start to break out, some shit like this happens.
Don't sweat it, SPX. Take it from Me you can come back and make up for it. I was -17u on the year a couple months ago and now I'm in the positives. Now granted it took going on tilt to the max and tossing 9u on Franklin to get Me most of the way there. But the more you stress how much your down the more it will make you second guess your picks. Just chill on it and remember that you can make money doing this. You'll make it back, dude.
Leben's on a serious roll now and has a secure position within the UFC.
Kind of funny since he was worried about his job just a few fights ago.
Don't sweat it, SPX. Take it from Me you can come back and make up for it. I was -17u on the year a couple months ago and now I'm in the positives. Now granted it took going on tilt to the max and tossing 9u on Franklin to get Me most of the way there. But the more you stress how much your down the more it will make you second guess your picks. Just chill on it and remember that you can make money doing this. You'll make it back, dude.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I'm up about 9 units for the year, but my goal was to make 25 units by Dec. 31. Doesn't look like that shit's happening at this rate.
Just glad I didn't move to my 20-unit bankroll for this event, like I considered doing.
Don't sweat it, SPX. Take it from Me you can come back and make up for it. I was -17u on the year a couple months ago and now I'm in the positives. Now granted it took going on tilt to the max and tossing 9u on Franklin to get Me most of the way there. But the more you stress how much your down the more it will make you second guess your picks. Just chill on it and remember that you can make money doing this. You'll make it back, dude.
Yeah like Ludo said SPX dont sweat it. I was down 5 units in the hole just a little while ago and now I'm back up almost 5 . There's ups and downs X you just got to roll with them. You got to stop letting one not so bad night get you down ::handshake::
Chin up chief ::thumbup::
Yeah like Ludo said SPX dont sweat it. I was down 5 units in the hole just a little while ago and now I'm back up almost 5 . There's ups and downs X you just got to roll with them. You got to stop letting one not so bad night get you down ::handshake::
Chin up chief ::thumbup::
Thanks, homey.
Just not sure how I'm going to rely on this being a significant source of income at this rate.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I'm up about 9 units for the year, but my goal was to make 25 units by Dec. 31. Doesn't look like that shit's happening at this rate.
Just glad I didn't move to my 20-unit bankroll for this event, like I considered doing.
dont worry about where you're at "right now" I wanted to make 20 units and I'm only at 4.6 and I'm not worried. Yes I want to make 20 units but I dont have to .I'd be happy with 10.
You never know when you'll hit 7 in a row and go on a 10 unit streak real fast ::handshake::
Thanks, homey.
Just not sure how I'm going to rely on this being a significant source of income at this rate.
It takes time man. I've bet boxing for 10 years but only seriously for about 4 and I'm just finally getting really good at it . Give it time ::handshake::
It takes time man. I've bet boxing for 10 years but only seriously for about 4 and I'm just finally getting really good at it . Give it time ::handshake::
Shit, I need some money NOW.
Not sure how much longer I'm going to have my day job.
Link in case you want to rewatch Lesnar-Carwin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5AxnSuXI6A
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I'd chalk it up to inexperience. He should've let up after Brock didn't die with the first 30 punches.
Cain is going to bash Brock's head in. Bank on it.
LOL hows that?Cain cant pound out a fly on the ground.If Carwin couldnt stop Lesnar while on the ground no way Cain can
Because he'll do that for 5 rounds if he has to.[/quote:17aeajau]
Can he ? Cains never went 5 rounds or faced someone as strong as Lesnar .Holding Kongo down for 3 rounds isnt the same as holding Lesnar down for 5
After rewatching the Lesnar-Carwin fight two more times Lesnar was hurt alot more from the punches on their feet then he was from the ones on the ground. When he was on his back he did a good job for the most part covering up and not taking too much damage
Harris earned the "Knockout of the Night" award, Lesnar earned the "Submission of the Night" bonus, and Bonnar, Soszynski, Leben, Akiyama all earned "Fight of the Night" honors.
Each got 75k
MMA_scientist
07-04-2010, 01:57 AM
+1.06u
I am redefining my strategy. Going back to my old "no gambling" ways... only betting + fighters where I feel they will actually win, and also no bets over -250.
I feel like I have my mojo back from the extended break-even streak I have been on. I just need to be more selct about my bets.
Cain will beat Brock.
Fedor would wreck Brock in the first 20 seconds.
I missed every fight except for Romero -Seth and Lesnar-Carwin .Were the Bonnar-Soszynski and Leben-Akiyama fights that good?
Any other fights that were really good also?
MMA_scientist
07-04-2010, 01:58 AM
Lesnar earned the "Submission of the Night" bonus
Each got 75k
gay. Lytles submission > Lesnar's by far.
Give it the guy that gets $400k... and has a run of the mill sub... wrong.
MMA_scientist
07-04-2010, 01:59 AM
I missed every fight except for Romero -Seth and Lesnar-Carwin was the Bonnar-Soszynski and Leben-Akiyama fights that good?
Any other fights that were really good also?
The Leben fight was good. The Bonnar fight was not my cup of tea. IMO the FOTN was Lytle/Brown.
Svino
07-04-2010, 02:02 AM
My conclusions, after a 2nd viewing:
1) Carwin with energy > Lesnar.
2) Carwin gasses sooner, especially when he wastes more energy than he should.
Svino
07-04-2010, 02:04 AM
I thought Leben's sub deserved SotN, because it was not only a come-from-behind sub, but was landed on a good judoka.
MMA_scientist
07-04-2010, 02:04 AM
My conclusions, after a 2nd viewing:
1) Carwin with energy > Lesnar.
2) Carwin gasses sooner, especially when he wastes more energy than he should.
clearly Carwin lost because he blew his wad. He was totally gassed. I would take Carwin in a rematch at even odds.
I think Cain will beat Brock and I will bet on it @ + odds
+1.06u
I am redefining my strategy. Going back to my old "no gambling" ways... only betting + fighters where I feel they will actually win, and also no bets over -250.
I feel like I have my mojo back from the extended break-even streak I have been on. I just need to be more selct about my bets.
Cain will beat Brock.
Fedor would wreck Brock in the first 20 seconds.
Cain's like 6'0" and 240 pounds he's going to look like a midget beside Lesnar
Svino
07-04-2010, 02:09 AM
I really doubt Brock outwrestles Cain consistently. Brock would probably have to win on his feet, and I'm not sure he can do that either.
Well
1) Streams are gay as fuck. I was so distraught with all the streams I was watching I decided to go play basketball with some friends for almost 2 hours instead.
2) Horrible night. Lost way too much. Requested a payout before I blow anymore money trying to pick upsets.
3) I cannot believe that on a countdown show from the past, Carwin's trainers said that the 5th round was his best round. A lightweight with a full gas tank would have finished him in that 2nd round.
edman5555
07-04-2010, 03:35 AM
How do you see Cain beating Brock?
How do you see Cain beating Brock?
Well what do you think would happen in Cain vs Brock?
4 for 4 ,+ 6 units
The fights were awesome. Thank you Leben, Grove, and Madsen.
4 for 4 ,+ 6 units
The fights were awesome. Thank you Leben, Grove, and Madsen.
You really seem to be good at calling fights. Can you break down how you selected those 3?
I thought Grove should have been favored from the start. leben was sort of a value play, but I thought the lay off would effect Sexy, and it did(I think he wins if he does not gas), but then again, he seemed to gas against belcher. Madsen should have been an even bigger bet after i finally watched a few of Karlos's fights. the guy is as crude as shit.
As for picking fights right, keep in mind that I recently lost 9 units on Paulo. I would have bet even more tonight, but that bet is still in my mind. I was just so damn wrong on that fight. it played out so differently than I imagined in my head.
Mr. IWS
07-04-2010, 09:41 AM
I thought he was in jail?
LOL, he acutually just got a fight coming up, before he reports to jail.
Mr. IWS
07-04-2010, 09:43 AM
I lost another hundred. Won on Brock, lost on Krystof. I am having a brutal year in MMA.
I lost another hundred. Won on Brock, lost on Krystof. I am having a brutal year in MMA.
I lost near the same. Ugly night which ruined the entertainment of great fights.
I lost another hundred. Won on Brock, lost on Krystof. I am having a brutal year in MMA.
I lost near the same. Ugly night which ruined the entertainment of great fights.
I missed every fight but 2 of them.
So what is everyone's analysis of Cain vs. Brock? I'm interested to see what you guys think.
So what is everyone's analysis of Cain vs. Brock? I'm interested to see what you guys think.
Brock but depends on the line
edman5555
07-04-2010, 02:23 PM
I think Cain is much better on the ground than Carwin. Cain has better stand up than Brock as well.
edman5555
07-04-2010, 02:24 PM
Cain
Junior college nation champ
two time all american arizona state
excerpt from Wiki:
Velasquez, who trains at AKA, won the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blue belt championships roughly a year after starting submission grappling.[19] He currently holds a purple belt under Dave Camarillo.
The fight between Cain and Brock will depend on the wrestling IMO. If Cain can stuff the takedowns from Brock he will win EASILY IMO. I think Cain is a good play.
edman5555
07-04-2010, 02:42 PM
Carwin was doing a decent job of stuffing Lesnars takedowns until he gassed. I think that bodes well for Cain.
Carwin was doing a decent job of stuffing Lesnars takedowns until he gassed. I think that bodes well for Cain.
Yes and reports of Cain having better cardio than guys at 170 gives me great belief that he will come out on top. And we've seen him go past 1 round already at a fast pace.
edman5555
07-04-2010, 02:54 PM
I just don't know how it balances out with Cains cardio advantage vs Brocks size. Which guy wears out first? I'm guessing brock but I don't know. Cain has a lot more tools in his arsenal in my opinion. He could probably wear brock out with a lot of strikes to the body. I'm sure that will be a part of his plan, I'm sure he can sneak some leg kicks in..If the fight survives the first 2 rounds I think Cain will have the advantage. Another thing, brocks takedowns.. As good of a wrestler as he is his striking is so shit it makes it hard for him to set them up. I know people call Cain Pillow hands but he has 8 of 9 wins by tko so he CAN hurt brock but I don't know about putting him away.
Cain Velasqueza by Decision??? I bet the line would be nice.
Statement by Carwin:
“I appreciate the outpouring of support and everyone who showed up at The Foundation Room last night after the fight. You guys know how to make a man feel like a winner even on his lowest of days. I really do want to thank #TeamCarwin. You guys pushed me up this mountain and many of you have been with me for a long time. I will need your help to climb back to the top so I appreciate you standing by me.
The game plan last night was to be patient and let the fight come to you. When I had him in trouble the ref keep saying he was going to stop it and then towards the end of the 1st my body began to seize up. In between rounds I could not move my legs and had what felt like a whole body cramp. My cardio was fine but my body was not. What can you do? You have to stand up and face your opponent.
Heading into the second I knew I need to finish the fight or I was going to be in trouble. Much like the Champion he is I am sure Brock was thinking the same thing. I had zero take down defense as my legs were dead to me and the rest is as they say history.
Brock was a good guy through this entire fight. He did not talk a bunch of smack and he fought like a warrior. He did what he needed to do to keep his belt and that is what being a Champion is all about. I am going to have to claw my way back to the top but I wouldn’t want it any other way. I know I belong with the very best; all I need to do is prove it again.
Loosing is what happens on the way to winning. I will be back and better from the lessons learned in this fight.
Thank you to my Coaches, Sponsors, Manager, Family, Friends and Fans.
-Carwin”
Svino
07-04-2010, 03:34 PM
I lost another hundred. Won on Brock, lost on Krystof. I am having a brutal year in MMA.
I lost near the same. Ugly night which ruined the entertainment of great fights.
I missed every fight but 2 of them.
I guess it's all about how you bet. I only called 2 fights on the card wrong, but went 2-2 in my betting. Oops. Overall, it was a pretty good night for favorites.
Wasn't expecting to lose on Krystof. Maybe Bonnar just came out hungrier knowing it was must-win.
I just don't know how it balances out with Cains cardio advantage vs Brocks size. Which guy wears out first? I'm guessing brock but I don't know. Cain has a lot more tools in his arsenal in my opinion. He could probably wear brock out with a lot of strikes to the body. I'm sure that will be a part of his plan, I'm sure he can sneak some leg kicks in..If the fight survives the first 2 rounds I think Cain will have the advantage. Another thing, brocks takedowns.. As good of a wrestler as he is his striking is so shit it makes it hard for him to set them up. I know people call Cain Pillow hands but he has 8 of 9 wins by tko so he CAN hurt brock but I don't know about putting him away.
Cain Velasqueza by Decision??? I bet the line would be nice.
That's the thing that everyone is saying. 'Pillow fists'. He doesn't have to have power to beat Brock. BUT picking apart Brock for 5 rounds is more than good enough to win!
I guess it's all about how you bet. I only called 2 fights on the card wrong, but went 2-2 in my betting. Oops. Overall, it was a pretty good night for favorites.
Wasn't expecting to lose on Krystof. Maybe Bonnar just came out hungrier knowing it was must-win.
LOL no ,I meant I missed watching all but 2 of the fights .I was with the family yesterday .I didnt mean I picked every fight wrong but two
I just don't know how it balances out with Cains cardio advantage vs Brocks size. Which guy wears out first? I'm guessing brock but I don't know. Cain has a lot more tools in his arsenal in my opinion. He could probably wear brock out with a lot of strikes to the body. I'm sure that will be a part of his plan, I'm sure he can sneak some leg kicks in..If the fight survives the first 2 rounds I think Cain will have the advantage. Another thing, brocks takedowns.. As good of a wrestler as he is his striking is so shit it makes it hard for him to set them up. I know people call Cain Pillow hands but he has 8 of 9 wins by tko so he CAN hurt brock but I don't know about putting him away.
Cain Velasqueza by Decision??? I bet the line would be nice.
That's the thing that everyone is saying. 'Pillow fists'. He doesn't have to have power to beat Brock. BUT picking apart Brock for 5 rounds is more than good enough to win!
Pillow hands knocked Nogueira smooth the fuck out.
Svino
07-04-2010, 03:45 PM
LOL no ,I meant I missed watching all but 2 of the fights .I was with the family yesterday .I didnt mean I picked every fight wrong but two
LOL, obviously that makes a lot more sense. Sorry, should have realized that.
Svino
07-04-2010, 04:14 PM
I feel really dirty for saying this, but I actually agree with the piece Snowden wrote over at Bloody Elbow:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/4/155 ... lesnar-and (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/4/1551642/best-in-the-world-brock-lesnar-and)
Question: I know Nog has been in some rough spots, as has Fedor, but has any champion ever lost a full 10-8 round before? (not counting stoppages)
After seeing Lesnar demolish Mir, I was starting to wonder if he was the best fighter in the world, even if he hadn't yet truly proven himself as such. After last night, I'd be hard pressed to rank him higher than 4th in terms of pure ability, after Fedor, Cain, and Carwin in some order. (And can you just imagine how badly Overeem would murder Brock in the standup?) His victory in the second round looked like it had more to do with Carwin falling apart than anything else. Admittedly, Brock's ability to show us something new in each fight was continued with his arm-triangle finish.
This fight contains another lesson for us: Remember how Lesnar was going to fight Southpaw? Remember how Carwin's best round is the 5th? Believe nothing you hear from guys' training camps before a fight, no matter how tempting it is to listen to it. If you're getting useful betting information, someone is screwing up.
Actually, I partially believe Carwin's excuse, in the sense that if he hadn't punched himself out, I'm sure he could have gone for a lot longer. But the fact that there is a physical tradeoff in terms of muscle mass vs. endurance raises an interesting question: is it even the best strategy to plan to go for 5 rounds? I mean, I wasn't even slightly reassured by the realization that Carwin had just won the first round by 2 points, because there was no way the fight was going the distance. Maybe sacrificing stamina for extra power in the first 5-10 minutes is a viable strategy; maybe heavyweights should be front-loading.
I feel really dirty for saying this, but I actually agree with the piece Snowden wrote over at Bloody Elbow:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/4/155 ... lesnar-and (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/4/1551642/best-in-the-world-brock-lesnar-and)
Question: I know Nog has been in some rough spots, as has Fedor, but has any champion ever lost a full 10-8 round before? (not counting stoppages)
After seeing Lesnar demolish Mir, I was starting to wonder if he was the best fighter in the world, even if he hadn't yet truly proven himself as such. After last night, I'd be hard pressed to rank him higher than 4th in terms of pure ability, after Fedor, Cain, and Carwin in some order. (And can you just imagine how badly Overeem would murder Brock in the standup?) His victory in the second round looked like it had more to do with Carwin falling apart than anything else. Admittedly, Brock's ability to show us something new in each fight was continued with his arm-triangle finish.
This fight contains another lesson for us: Remember how Lesnar was going to fight Southpaw? Remember how Carwin's best round is the 5th? Believe nothing you hear from guys' training camps before a fight, no matter how tempting it is to listen to it. If you're getting useful betting information, someone is screwing up.
Actually, I partially believe Carwin's excuse, in the sense that if he hadn't punched himself out, I'm sure he could have gone for a lot longer. But the fact that there is a physical tradeoff in terms of muscle mass vs. endurance raises an interesting question: is it even the best strategy to plan to go for 5 rounds? I mean, I wasn't even slightly reassured by the realization that Carwin had just won the first round by 2 points, because there was no way the fight was going the distance. Maybe sacrificing stamina for extra power in the first 5-10 minutes is a viable strategy; maybe heavyweights should be front-loading.
I don't want to listen to anything coming from camps anymore. That '5th round is Carwin's best' mythology really messed me up last night. :burn:
The only thing I took with a grain of salt from the camps is Lesnar would fight southpaw but I didnt factor it into by betting .I was already planning on betting Lesnar big and that info didnt change anything
edman5555
07-04-2010, 05:13 PM
I guess it's all about how you bet. I only called 2 fights on the card wrong, but went 2-2 in my betting. Oops. Overall, it was a pretty good night for favorites.
Wasn't expecting to lose on Krystof. Maybe Bonnar just came out hungrier knowing it was must-win.
LOL no ,I meant I missed watching all but 2 of the fights .I was with the family yesterday .I didnt mean I picked every fight wrong but two
Bonnar came into the first fight with a broken bone in one of his feet. The first fight was actually close to even.
Glad to see Bonnar get a win. He for damn sure needed it.
edman5555
07-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Yeah did you see his pose at the end? That guy is great. He is a good artist too. Google his drawings. They are pretty cool.
I thought Snowden's article was an absolute piece of shit, per the usual. To be honest, some of his points debatably (real word?) had some merit to them, but he comes off as such a pompous elitist arrogant cocksucker that I hope he chokes on his food. And some of you guys call ME an asshole. This dude is in his own league.
Have to agree with zY here(believe Me, that wasn't easy to type). Lesnar takes one of the most brutal beatings I've EVER seen a fighter take in the first round without having the contest stopped and comes back like it never happened and then shocks the world by winning the fight via submission, and this douche actually thinks he should be ranked 4th behind Carwin still? This whole argument about "if Carwin hadn't gassed he would have won" means jack shit because he did gas out. If the ref hadn't stopped the action Lesnar would have never lost to Mir and he'd be undefeated right now. But we don't live in a pretend world of good intentions where if's are reality.
No one should be trying to take anything away from Lesnar's win last night. He just got off a 51 week hiatus and a bout of Diverticulitis to take on a guy who is just about at big as he is, easily as powerful, and a better striker with comparable wrestling skills. He took a horrid beating the likes of which he has never seen before and was dominated to a clear cut 10-8 round with absolutely no question at all and turned it around showing that he not only had a hell of a chin, but a LOT of heart. It isn't Lesnars fault or doing that Carwin punched himself out and didn't train for/didn't fight for a fight that went past the first round.
On another note, Chris Leben vs Yoshihiro Akiyama should be a candidate for Fight of the Year honors. That shit was crazy.
edman5555
07-04-2010, 10:22 PM
On a seperate note:
Who else thinks Carwin would be pretty nasty if he dropped a little weight?
Say he went down to 255 or so, from 275-280. That would help his cardio a lot( I know he gassed from punching himself out) and I bet he would be able to maintain a lot of his power and pick up some speed. That might be a deadly combo for him.
Sadly if he starts dropping mass he loses the only thing he had going for him over Lesnar in punching power. Would he still be able to beat most other guys in the division? Sure. It's clear him throwing all those punches had alot to do with him gassing out. But at the same time alot of people were touting around how he had so much more experience than Lesnar and it was Lesnar who stayed calm cool and collected under adversity. Carwin made a huge mistake when he started standing up to rain punches down on Lesnar. He should have gotten back on him and put all his weight on Lesnar, make him work to breathe and wear him out. Carwin simply fought the wrong fight last night, either that or he didn't train for jack shit past the first and or second round worth of fighting.
If Carwin dropped weight, he would surely lose punching power but he would still have better standup technique than Lesnar. That will never go away.
Lesnar isn't getting any worse in his standup technique either. He's still only 6 fights into his career. He could also employ a less aggressive style and it would likely give Carwin more trouble. He only got hurt when he lunged in for a punch and got countered. If he sat back and let Carwin do the charging in he could likely get a counter of his own or change levels for a takedown.
Have to agree with zY here(believe Me, that wasn't easy to type).
::lmao::
Have to agree with zY here(believe Me, that wasn't easy to type). Lesnar takes one of the most brutal beatings I've EVER seen a fighter take in the first round without having the contest stopped and comes back like it never happened and then shocks the world by winning the fight via submission, and this douche actually thinks he should be ranked 4th behind Carwin still? This whole argument about "if Carwin hadn't gassed he would have won" means jack shit because he did gas out. If the ref hadn't stopped the action Lesnar would have never lost to Mir and he'd be undefeated right now. But we don't live in a pretend world of good intentions where if's are reality.
No one should be trying to take anything away from Lesnar's win last night. He just got off a 51 week hiatus and a bout of Diverticulitis to take on a guy who is just about at big as he is, easily as powerful, and a better striker with comparable wrestling skills. He took a horrid beating the likes of which he has never seen before and was dominated to a clear cut 10-8 round with absolutely no question at all and turned it around showing that he not only had a hell of a chin, but a LOT of heart. It isn't Lesnars fault or doing that Carwin punched himself out and didn't train for/didn't fight for a fight that went past the first round.
I agree .I have alot more respect for Lesnar than I did before that fight. Lesnar got hit with some huge shots ,shots that would have KO'd anyone else and held on long enough to recover. Gonzaga got KTFO by a shot just like Lesnar took and Mir got pounded out .
He was coming off a year layoff and an illness and still took everything Carwin threw.
Whether Carwin gasses in the very begining or the second round or not Lesnar was going to win the fight imo, he had already took everything Carwin could throw and kept coming. Either way Carwin would have got slower and slower in rounds 3,4 and 5 to the point Lesnar would have beat him .
I really want to know if Lesnar can go a full 5 rounds at a fast pace
Those people at bloodyelbow are complete morons .I was on Lesnar and agree the first round was a 10-8 round but 10-7 ? Come on
Our own Luke Thomas scored the round 10-7 for Carwin in the Bloody Elbow live blog.
Those people at bloodyelbow are complete morons .I was on Lesnar and agree the first round was a 10-8 round but 10-7 ? Come on
Our own Luke Thomas scored the round 10-7 for Carwin in the Bloody Elbow live blog.
Haha it was close.
Fightmetric has the extent of the asskicking.
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Lesnar-Carwin.html
What a blowout round.
It's very well possible it may have been a 10-7 round, that was the most clear cut 10-8 round I have ever seen in all My time watching MMA.
It's very well possible it may have been a 10-7 round, that was the most clear cut 10-8 round I have ever seen in all My time watching MMA.
Yet Glenn Trowbridge still scored it 10-9.
Svino
07-05-2010, 01:01 AM
Well, it's interesting to see the diversity of opinion on this fight. There are a lot of fights that improve my opinion of both fighters, this wasn't one of them. I'm not trying to be a jerk pissing on fighters accomplishments, just coming from this as a gambler trying to figure out what to take away.
If the ref hadn't stopped the action Lesnar would have never lost to Mir and he'd be undefeated right now. But we don't live in a pretend world of good intentions where if's are reality.
Again, thinking as gamblers, I'd say it's kind of our job to go after the "what if's". We need to be able to extract more information from the fight than just the outcome if we want to be successful. The Mir / Lesnar I fight that you bring up is a perfect example. Someone who watched that, and only took away "Mir > Lesnar" would have been pretty damn shocked at the second fight, but you could clearly see the seeds for Lesnar's future domination were there. The kneebar was an event that, while certainly tied to the fighter's strengths and weaknesses, was also a little flukish.
In the same way, it is very rare for a fight to spend so long in the verge of being stopped. If the ref keeps threatening to stop the fight, the right move is to flurry and try to finish, no matter how tired you are getting. Carwin was doing the right thing. Of course, it is to his discredit and Lesnar's credit that Carwin wasn't able to get the fight stopped, but that drawn-out sequence that caused Carwin to gas out early isn't something you would expect to see. Before the fight, the main arguments for Lesnar were that he could win the standup with better speed and technical striking, and that he could take down Carwin and GnP him. I'd say both of those have been shot down. Sure, Lesnar could get better, but so could Carwin and Cain. They're all newish to the sport.
Ultimately, I see "Carwin's stamina" as analogous to "Lesnar's submission defense" when comparing this fight to the first Mir / Lesnar. And accordingly, I would probably bet on a rematch to go in the opposite way.
And finally, on the subject of heart: I never want to bet on a fighter that everyone says has "heart". "That fighter has heart" is a euphemism for "that fighter is getting the crap beaten out of him". No one ever says Anderson Silva and GSP have "heart". Dan Hardy? Sure. But not GSP.
On another note, Chris Leben vs Yoshihiro Akiyama should be a candidate for Fight of the Year honors. That shit was crazy.
Yeah, I second this. Glad they got FotN, even if Leben didn't get the submission bonus.
Luke, as for guys calling the round 10-7, I think anyone who calls 10-7 rounds is basically just admitting that they use a completely different scale than actual MMA judges. It won't actually happen except for really crazy circumstances.
Heart isn't strictly used as a synonym for "he got his ass beat". GSP is often credited for having "the heart of a champion" with the way he came back from the flash KO Serra nailed him with to not only beat Serra in the rematch, but totally destroying him with relative ease. This is a combat sport and it takes courage to get back out there when you've lost in devastating fashion/being beaten in devastating fashion. Brock had the courage/heart to get out there in round two and keep at his game plan and ultimately win the fight. Nevermind the fact that he took all those shots that would have probably rendered anyone else close to comatose, the fact that Brock went back out and stuck to his guns despite having been brutalized for probably the first time in his adult life and handled his first "real" test of his mental toughness in a way that has probably earned alot of people's respect.
Another fighter who showed heart in a different way was Akiyama. He was so exhausted he could barely sit upright on his stool between rounds two and three and he went back out there anyway against someone he knew was fresher and the better striker who could potentially knock him out. It takes a certain courage to step back out there and go out on your shield when there is seemingly little to no hope in sight. This is what I meant by heart. The mental strength not to give up when all seems lost(like Akiyama), the courage to go back out there and risk getting manhandled again(like Brock).
Lesnar isn't getting any worse in his standup technique either. He's still only 6 fights into his career. He could also employ a less aggressive style and it would likely give Carwin more trouble. He only got hurt when he lunged in for a punch and got countered. If he sat back and let Carwin do the charging in he could likely get a counter of his own or change levels for a takedown.
I don't see Lesnar picking up the striking skills to compete with Carwin on the feet even a few months from now. Even if he's only 6 fights in his career he still has more cage/ring time than Carwin. The point is Carwin completely embarassed Brock on the feet and it wouldn't have looked much different even if Carwin dropped 10 or 20 pounds to gain more cardio.
Mr. IWS
07-05-2010, 10:33 AM
I feel really dirty for saying this, but I actually agree with the piece Snowden wrote over at Bloody Elbow:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/4/155 ... lesnar-and (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/4/1551642/best-in-the-world-brock-lesnar-and)
Question: I know Nog has been in some rough spots, as has Fedor, but has any champion ever lost a full 10-8 round before? (not counting stoppages)
After seeing Lesnar demolish Mir, I was starting to wonder if he was the best fighter in the world, even if he hadn't yet truly proven himself as such. After last night, I'd be hard pressed to rank him higher than 4th in terms of pure ability, after Fedor, Cain, and Carwin in some order. (And can you just imagine how badly Overeem would murder Brock in the standup?) His victory in the second round looked like it had more to do with Carwin falling apart than anything else. Admittedly, Brock's ability to show us something new in each fight was continued with his arm-triangle finish.
This fight contains another lesson for us: Remember how Lesnar was going to fight Southpaw? Remember how Carwin's best round is the 5th? Believe nothing you hear from guys' training camps before a fight, no matter how tempting it is to listen to it. If you're getting useful betting information, someone is screwing up.
Actually, I partially believe Carwin's excuse, in the sense that if he hadn't punched himself out, I'm sure he could have gone for a lot longer. But the fact that there is a physical tradeoff in terms of muscle mass vs. endurance raises an interesting question: is it even the best strategy to plan to go for 5 rounds? I mean, I wasn't even slightly reassured by the realization that Carwin had just won the first round by 2 points, because there was no way the fight was going the distance. Maybe sacrificing stamina for extra power in the first 5-10 minutes is a viable strategy; maybe heavyweights should be front-loading.
Haters gonna hate.
Brock gets the shit beat out of him for 3 minutes, and when the round ends, he is pushing Carwin up against the cage working a takedown. This guy needs to cover hot dog eating contests instead of MMA.
Mr. IWS
07-05-2010, 10:35 AM
So where does Carwin go from here? Who does he fight next? JDS/Nelson loser maybe?
So where does Carwin go from here? Who does he fight next? JDS/Nelson loser maybe?
That would be my guess or Kongo
So where does Carwin go from here? Who does he fight next? JDS/Nelson loser maybe?
That would be my guess or Kongo
Kongo is fighting Travis Browne at 120.
Although Carwin/Kongo would be a fun fight. I think Carwin overwhelms him though.
Svino
07-05-2010, 04:36 PM
It's cool; I get it now: Getting your ass beat in a fight is much more impressive than not getting your ass beat, because it shows your "heart" and your "chin". Makes perfect sense. So we're all on Russow to beat Duffee in a rematch, right?
Speaking of which, that might be the answer to the "What's next for Carwin?" question.
The UFC loves to match losers with losers and winners with winners so much that I think, depending on the length of layoff Carwin is going to have, he will either get Duffee or the loser of JDS / Nelson. You can just barely imagine him getting someone on their way up, like Rothwell, Russow, or Kongo if he wins, but I doubt it.
It's cool; I get it now: Getting your ass beat in a fight is much more impressive than not getting your ass beat, because it shows your "heart" and your "chin". Makes perfect sense. So we're all on Russow to beat Duffee in a rematch, right?
Taking a beating that no one else in the UFC could have took and coming back to win the fight IS much more impresive than gassing out in the first round of a 5 round fight
Svino
07-05-2010, 05:09 PM
It's cool; I get it now: Getting your ass beat in a fight is much more impressive than not getting your ass beat, because it shows your "heart" and your "chin". Makes perfect sense. So we're all on Russow to beat Duffee in a rematch, right?
Taking a beating that no one else in the UFC could have took and coming back to win the fight IS much more impresive than gassing out in the first round of a 5 round fight
Yeah, I'm not saying Carwin blew me away either. He's got problems to address, no doubt.
Yeah, I'm not saying Carwin blew me away either. He's got problems to address, no doubt.
I wonder if nerves had to do with him gassing or he just really cant go more than a round
I wonder if nerves had to do with him gassing or he just really cant go more than a round
I think he just can't do it. We all knew that was a possibility.
The question is whether or not he'll address that problem and fix it or if he's going to continue to be the guy who's good for one round and no more.
Svino
07-05-2010, 05:17 PM
Someone above mentioned Carwin possibly cutting down to 250 or so. He has fought in the 250's before. Of course, we don't know if his cardio was much better then or not.
I wonder if nerves had to do with him gassing or he just really cant go more than a round
I think he just can't do it. We all knew that was a possibility.
The question is whether or not he'll address that problem and fix it or if he's going to continue to be the guy who's good for one round and no more.
Well I was planning on him gassing when I made my bet but I was expecting it to happen in round 3 or 4 not round 1
Svino
07-05-2010, 05:29 PM
Well I was planning on him gassing when I made my bet but I was expecting it to happen in round 3 or 4 not round 1
The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we continue to see these big HW fights not make it to round 3. So how much brute strength do you really want to give up for the sake of cardio? A 4 min tank is not enough though, that's for sure.
I'm sure Carwin's cardio isn't bad really. He just put all his eggs in one basket going for the finish, especially with Rosenthal saying he's going to stop it several times. He just showed his inexperience and punched himself out.
Thewiseman
07-06-2010, 12:35 PM
I'm sure Carwin's cardio isn't bad really. He just put all his eggs in one basket going for the finish, especially with Rosenthal saying he's going to stop it several times. He just showed his inexperience and punched himself out.
+1
Thewiseman
07-06-2010, 12:36 PM
My buddy is giving me +250 for Velasquez, so 1u on Cain. I think he wins by dec or a late TKO.
I will continually be putting money against Brock until I make my money back from losing betting against him.
Disclosed payouts
Brock Lesnar ($400,000) def. Shane Carwin ($40,000)
Chris Leben ($86,000) def. Yoshihiro Akiyama ($45,000)
Chris Lytle ($52,000) def. Matt Brown ($10,000)
Stephan Bonnar ($50,000) def. Krzysztof Soszynski ($10,000)
George Sotiropoulos ($24,000) def. Kurt Pellegrino ($25,000)
Brendan Schaub ($20,000) def. Chris Tuchscherer ($12,000)
Ricardo Romero ($16,000) def. Seth Petruzelli ($10,000)
Kendall Grove ($50,000) def. Goran Reljic ($5,000)
Gerald Harris ($20,000) def. David Branch ($6,000)
Daniel Roberts ($12,000) def. Forrest Petz ($6,000)
Jonathan Madsen ($16,000) def. Karel Vemola ($8,000)
Total disclosed payouts: $898,000
Disclosed bonuses
Fight of the Night: Chis Leben vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama & Stephan Bonnar vs. Krzysztof Soszynski ($75,000 each)
KO of the Night: Gerald Harris ($75,000)
Submission of the Night: Brock Lesnar ($75,000)
Total disclosed bonuses: $450,000
Damn dude, if Leben keeps fighting this much, and picking up bonuses, the guy is going to be a millionaire.
Brock Lesnar: Suspended until August 18 for right eyelid and left eyebrow lacerations
Shane Carwin: Suspended until September 2 for precautionary reasons
Chris Leben: Suspended until August 3 for a tough fight
Yoshihiro Akiyama: Suspended until August 18 for a tough fight
Stephan Bonnary: Suspended until August 18 for facial lacerations
Krzysztof Soszynski: Suspended until December 31 unless cleared by doctor for left thumb; minimum suspension until September 2
Kurt Pellegrino: Suspended until December 31 unless cleared by doctor for left knee; minimum suspension until August 18
Chris Tuchscherer: Suspended until December 31 unless cleared by doctor for hearing loss in left ear; minimum suspension until September 2 for right cheek laceration
Ricardo Romero: Suspended until December 31 unless cleared by doctor for broken jaw; minimum suspension until September 2
Seth Petruzelli: Suspended until December 31 unless cleared by doctor for right elbow strain; minimum suspension until September 2
Dave Branch: Suspended until September 2 for precautionary reasons
Broken jaws,hearing loss and thumbs but the funniest suspensions are "tough fight " LOL
Mr. IWS
07-06-2010, 05:56 PM
Shane Carwin: Suspended until September 2 for precautionary reasons
It will probably take until them for him to get his second wind.
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