MMA/Boxing parlay thread

[Luke]

This thread is going to be for parlays. Fights that the odds are too high for us to bet the fight on its own but is such a lock its not worth trying to make some money off


For my first input I say:

Lil Nog in MMA -550

and

Steve Cuningham in boxing -450

Parlayed they equal -227



I'll look more later tonight

[edman5555]

lil nog and diego sanchez

[Mr. IWS]

Steve Cuningham in boxing -450



U.S.S ftw

Philly boy right there.

[Luke]

Steve Cuningham in boxing -450



U.S.S ftw

Philly boy right there.

Didnt realize he was from Philly


I like Cunningham . Troy Ross stands no chance imo. He's too slow and doesnt have close to the skill Cunningham does.For whatever odd reason the fight is in Germany .

[Luke]

lil nog and diego sanchez



Sanchez's odds are low enough I'd bet it by itself if I were betting him. I'm only planning on parlays fights with odds so high I wouldnt bet them on there own

[MMA_scientist]

Luke, what do you think about Andre Ward, on 6/19. He is -600...

For me, Nog's opponent is too legitimate for me to lay -550 on him. I save my -500 for guys that just flat out can't lose. Brilz is not a pushover, he will come to fight and does have a path to victory. That said, Nog is going to kill him.

[Luke]

Luke, what do you think about Andre Ward, on 6/19. He is -600...

For me, Nog's opponent is too legitimate for me to lay -550 on him. I save my -500 for guys that just flat out can't lose. Brilz is not a pushover, he will come to fight and does have a path to victory. That said, Nog is going to kill him.


Andre Ward is 10X better than Green . Green should lose this fight somewhere around 118-110(10 rounds to 2).When the odds first came out at -450 I was going to bet Ward by himself the only thing stopping me is he's coming off a knee injury that has been bothering him now for years.

If his knee is fine this should be a blowout win for Ward but I want to hear how the knee is doing before I say go

[MMA_scientist]

Thinking about adding Lashle4y @ -600 for the parlay.

Maybe Ward and Lashley

[MMA_scientist]

Screw it. 5.58 on Lashley @ -600 for the never ending locks parlay.

[Luke]

Screw it. 5.58 on Lashley @ -600 for the never ending locks parlay.



Cunningham at -450 or Ward at -600 are both perfectly fine to parlay together. I havent bet anything yet but still think I'm sticking to Lil nog -Cuningham. If Nog wins this week end I might also bet a Cunningham-Ward Parlay ::handshake::

[MMA_scientist]

Screw it. 5.58 on Lashley @ -600 for the never ending locks parlay.



Cunningham at -450 or Ward at -600 are both perfectly fine to parlay together. I havent bet anything yet but still think I'm sticking to Lil nog -Cuningham. If Nog wins this week end I might also bet a Cunningham-Ward Parlay ::handshake::

When is Cunningham's fight? its not offered on BM

Wait, are you giving to official "go" on Ward?

[Luke]

When is Cunningham's fight? its not offered on BM

Wait, are you giving to official "go" on Ward?


Cunninghams fight is June 5th.

Yes from what I read Wards knee is fine.

I'll be betting a nog-cuningham parlay and after Nog wins betting a cunningham-ward parlay ::handshake::

[MMA_scientist]

Cool. If an when the offer Cunningham on BM, I am going to drop 5.58 on him @ -450.

Then roll that into Lashley, then roll that into Ward.

9.2u by mid june. The parlay project is going to be huge. HUGE!

I am going to be making 30u bets before fall.

[Luke]

Cool. If an when the offer Cunningham on BM, I am going to drop 5.58 on him @ -450.

Then roll that into Lashley, then roll that into Ward.

9.2u by mid june. The parlay project is going to be huge. HUGE!

I am going to be making 30u bets before fall.


Sometimes bookmaker is just slow with odds,sometimes they have them first. The Cunningham fight should be up within a week.Hell thegreek has is it up to I dont know what bookmaker is waiting for

[MMA_scientist]

Change of plans. I am going to bet on Kid. He is @ -1100 now, so I am going to wait and see if he moves at all. That is a lock, it is free money.

[MMA_scientist]

GARY SYKES -440
KEVIN O'HARA +350

LIBRADO ANDRADE -1500
ERIC LUCAS +800

Luke, anything to see here?

[Luke]

first official play locked in just now.


Lil nog -Cunningham -234

2.34 units to win 1


after nog wins I will be adding Cunningham-Ward

[Luke]

GARY SYKES -440
KEVIN O'HARA +350

LIBRADO ANDRADE -1500
ERIC LUCAS +800

Luke, anything to see here?


No . Dont know enough about Sykes or O'Hara

This is basically a paycheck fight for Lucas imo. Andrade should win rather easily but I wouldnt call it a lock. I'd pass on both ::handshake::

[MMA_scientist]

I am going to follow on Cunningham/Ward. Going to sit out Nog though.

[MMA_scientist]

Alright, break down Ward for me...

I am definately putting him in the parlay, but I am also considering a pretty big bet.

[Luke]

Alright, break down Ward for me...

I am definately putting him in the parlay, but I am also considering a pretty big bet.


Ward is so much faster than Green it shouldnt even be a contest. He uses angles to hit you,counter punches well and has a very fast jab. Ward is just so much better of a fighter than Green.Green is slow ,doesnt box well,doesnt counter well and doesnt do anything really good.

The only chance Green has to win this fight is a left hook KO which is his only weapon .I think Ward will stop Green personally .As long as he stays aways from the one punch KO he should have no problems easily taking this

[Luke]

first official play locked in just now.


Lil nog -Cunningham -234

2.34 units to win 1


after nog wins I will be adding Cunningham-Ward


Just added Cunningham/Ward parlay -234 also

2.34 units to win 1


and

I have Lil NOG/Cunningham 2.34 to win 1 pending on Cunningham

[MMA_scientist]

Thanks for that Luke.


Not for the parlay, but what about:


MIGUEL ANGEL COTTO -200
YURI FOREMAN +160

[Luke]

Thanks for that Luke.


Not for the parlay, but what about:


MIGUEL ANGEL COTTO -200
YURI FOREMAN +160


Still looking at it

[zY|]

Thanks for that Luke.


Not for the parlay, but what about:


MIGUEL ANGEL COTTO -200
YURI FOREMAN +160

Isn't the big question is Cotto shot or not?

[Luke]

[quote="MMA_scientist":15mx0rb0]Thanks for that Luke.


Not for the parlay, but what about:


MIGUEL ANGEL COTTO -200
YURI FOREMAN +160

Isn't the big question is Cotto shot or not?[/quote:15mx0rb0]



Yeah but more than just that. Cotto is jumping up a weight class and will be fighting at 154 for the first time ever. Foreman will have a 4 inch height adv and a 5 inch reach adv.

[poopoo333]

Cotto fight this weekend to go over 10.5 rounds...sound good?

[Luke]

Cotto fight this weekend to go over 10.5 rounds...sound good?


I dont do O/U's that often so I really dont have an opinion on this one.



If Cunningham pulls through for me at 2pm I'll probably be playing the Cotto-Foreman fight

[Luke]

Thanks for that Luke.


Not for the parlay, but what about:


MIGUEL ANGEL COTTO -200
YURI FOREMAN +160


Cotto down to -170

[Luke]

first official play locked in just now.


Lil nog -Cunningham -234

2.34 units to win 1


after nog wins I will be adding Cunningham-Ward


Just added Cunningham/Ward parlay -234 also

2.34 units to win 1


and

I have Lil NOG/Cunningham 2.34 to win 1 pending on Cunningham


Steve Cunningham wins by 5th round tko.Easy win.

+1.0 unit on the Lil nog-cunningham parlay ::moneybag::


Cunningham-Ward parlay still pending on Ward

[Mr. IWS]

U.S.S ::winna::

[Mr. IWS]

Luke, you doing anything with the Cotto fight?

[Luke]

Luke, you doing anything with the Cotto fight?


I bet Cotto -160


.8 unit to win .5 I hadnt posted it yet because I didnt think anyone cared lol


Every expert and boxing writer I seen have picked Foreman by decision and the line has plummeted from -220 to -160 but I just cant pick against Cotto in this one he's so much faster and skilled. I think Cotto will stalk Foreman all night and easily punch him. I see Foreman running and tying up all night. I wasnt even going to bet it at with everyone picking Foreman but decided to put a half unit down on it because I have Cotto winning ::handshake::

[Mr. IWS]

I was leaning foremans way myself. If you were on him, I would have played it.

Ill root Cotto in for ya bro.

GL.

[Luke]

I was leaning foremans way myself. If you were on him, I would have played it.

Ill root Cotto in for ya bro.

GL.
'


Thanks man ::handshake::

[poopoo333]

1u on Cotto @-158
1u on the fight going over 10.5 rounds

[Luke]

1u on Cotto @-158
1u on the fight going over 10.5 rounds


Best of luck tonight poopoo ::handshake::

[poopoo333]

1u on Cotto @-158
1u on the fight going over 10.5 rounds

This injury better not stop the fight

[Luke]

1u on Cotto @-158
1u on the fight going over 10.5 rounds

This injury better not stop the fight


I got Cotto up 6-1 after 7 .

[Luke]

::haptime::


The fights stopped


The fights not stopped WTF ::haptime::

[poopoo333]

FACK! Great, -0.37u....basically all because of an injury.

[Luke]

FACK! Great, -0.37u....basically all because of an injury.


Sorry man one of the many reasons I dont do O/U

[Luke]

Luke, you doing anything with the Cotto fight?


I bet Cotto -160


.8 unit to win .5 I hadnt posted it yet because I didnt think anyone cared lol


Every expert and boxing writer I seen have picked Foreman by decision and the line has plummeted from -220 to -160 but I just cant pick against Cotto in this one he's so much faster and skilled. I think Cotto will stalk Foreman all night and easily punch him. I see Foreman running and tying up all night. I wasnt even going to bet it at with everyone picking Foreman but decided to put a half unit down on it because I have Cotto winning ::handshake::



COTTTTTOOOOO!!!!!!!


Cotto was the better fighter and wasnt shot.Had this fight pegged perfect. Wish I had bet more on Cotto like I wanted too but with everyone saying Foreman was going to win I was chicken

Props to Foreman trying to fight through the injury

Oh well +.5 units ::moneybag::

[Mr. IWS]

Good call bro.

[Luke]

Good call bro.



Thanks man it was also an entertaining fight to watch.


It cracks me up that the guys in here always complain that the boxing matches they watch are boring but the last two times they were good fights no one was around LOL

[Mr. IWS]

That Jewish kid showed some serious heart in that fight. Fighting on one leg like that, that was pretty impressive.

[Luke]

That Jewish kid showed some serious heart in that fight. Fighting on one leg like that, that was pretty impressive.


Yeah he had heart for sure .I got more respect for Foreman now. I think he picked up more fans for that than he would have had he won

[Luke]

That Jewish kid showed some serious heart in that fight. Fighting on one leg like that, that was pretty impressive.




NEW YORK -- Former junior middleweight champion Yuri Foreman will need surgery on his right knee after tearing his meniscus and stretching ligaments Saturday night at Yankee Stadium.



::handshake::

[zY|]

How do you hurt your knee in a boxing match?

I watched it after the fact but the quality sucked and it looked like he just fell down. Fun fight though.

I see Kevin Iole scored it like a blind retard. Looked pretty cut and dry to me and I don't know shit.

[Luke]

How do you hurt your knee in a boxing match?

I watched it after the fact but the quality sucked and it looked like he just fell down. Fun fight though.

I see Kevin Iole scored it like a blind retard. Looked pretty cut and dry to me and I don't know shit.


Foreman has had problems with his knee in the past he said ,thats why he was wearing a knee brace . I was watching it and it looked like as he was moving sideways his knee just gave out on him.

Yeah Iole really had the score F-uped on this fight. He had it 4-4 after 8 I had it 7-1 for Cotto.
Personally I think he's biased toward a fighter when he picks them to win because he doesnt want to look dumb

[sbjj]

Hey Luke, nice to find another guy that really seems to be a fan of the sweet science. Been an avid fan of the sport for over 20 years, and been betting boxing for about as long.

I pretty much said the same thing about the Cotto-Foreman fight on a different site. I just could not bet it, because everyone that I respected seemed to be all over Yuri. I really think the media did its job by selling him long, and selling Cotto off. Funny to see very knowledgeable cappers even get this fight WAY wrong. As someone who actually watched many of Yuris fights, I had big time questions about how good he was.

I think the fight with Cotto proved 2 things. He is a tough kid with heart. But he is not an elite fighter, not close.

[Luke]

Hey Luke, nice to find another guy that really seems to be a fan of the sweet science. Been an avid fan of the sport for over 20 years, and been betting boxing for about as long.

I pretty much said the same thing about the Cotto-Foreman fight on a different site. I just could not bet it, because everyone that I respected seemed to be all over Yuri. I really think the media did its job by selling him long, and selling Cotto off. Funny to see very knowledgeable cappers even get this fight WAY wrong. As someone who actually watched many of Yuris fights, I had big time questions about how good he was.

I think the fight with Cotto proved 2 things. He is a tough kid with heart. But he is not an elite fighter, not close.


Nice to see a boxing fan around.I'm a huge boxing fan.I've been watching boxing for almost 20 years and have been betting it around 10.
I know what you mean about the Foreman-Cotto fight I was almost too scared to bet it. I ended up putting a complete min. bet down on Cotto just because every respected boxing writer and trainer said Foreman was going to win ,I just couldnt see it though.

keep coming back I need more guys to talk boxing with ::handshake::

[Luke]

2.34 units to win 1

Cunningham-Ward parlay still pending on Ward


Got this parlay pending going into this weekend.Cunningham won so all I need is Ward this weekend for this to cash.

MMAscientist I thought you were going to parlay things too?


Looking at more right now

[SPX]

Got this parlay pending going into this weekend.Cunningham won so all I need is Ward this weekend for this to cash.


I foresee Ward via TKO in the 4th.

[Luke]

I foresee Ward via TKO in the 4th.


OMG SPX

I laughed my ass off when I seen this

Good one man I needed that ::handshake::

[SPX]

OMG SPX

I laughed my ass off when I seen this

Good one man I needed that ::handshake::

Just trying to be supportive, homey!

Now watch me be right. . .

[Luke]

OMG SPX

I laughed my ass off when I seen this

Good one man I needed that ::handshake::

Just trying to be supportive, homey!

Now watch me be right. . .


It could happen .Ward is going to dominate Green so a 4th round TKO is possible

[SPX]

It could happen .Ward is going to dominate Green so a 4th round TKO is possible

You owe me a dollar if it happens.

[Luke]

It could happen .Ward is going to dominate Green so a 4th round TKO is possible

You owe me a dollar if it happens.


Deal ::handshake::

[sbjj]

Luke, check out the Budler-Rubillar and Bolling-Chilemba fights. i think both dogs(Rubillar and Bolling) could have value. Budler and Rubillar fought already, and Juanito was robbed.

I want to bet Ward-Green, but can not make up my mind if ward stops him or not.

[Luke]

Luke, check out the Budler-Rubillar and Bolling-Chilemba fights. i think both dogs(Rubillar and Bolling) could have value. Budler and Rubillar fought already, and Juanito was robbed.

I want to bet Ward-Green, but can not make up my mind if ward stops him or not.


I'll be honest man I dont know alot about those fighters and it would take me some time to watch video and break down the fighters.I dont want to give any opinions unless I have researched the fighters really well or it would just be a shot in the dark.I have been looking at TUF all week and I havent looked at boxing one bit. Give me a little more heads up next time and I'll be glad to help out

GL whatever you bet ::handshake::

[Luke]

2.34 units to win 1

Cunningham-Ward parlay still pending on Ward


+1 unit

Ward won every round of the 12 round fight ::winna::

2-0 in the parlays so far.

MMAscinetist I thought you were making a big bet on Ward?

[SPX]

Congrats, Luke.

I guess I was wrong about the TKO in the 4th, though.

[Luke]

Congrats, Luke.

I guess I was wrong about the TKO in the 4th, though.


yeah it went all 12 rounds ,you dont get your dollar

[SPX]

yeah it went all 12 rounds ,you dont get your dollar

Fuck you.

[MMA_scientist]

bump

[sideloaded]

This thread rocks, I was thinking about doing the same thing. Lombard and Fujii definitively fit this thread.

[SPX]

Lombard and Fujii definitively fit this thread.

I actually think Fujii might lose during this tournament.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ yeah, we sort of got sidetracked, but the premise is good. Luke tanuted me into the Davis bet, but I am back now until it fails.

6.4u on Couture @ -700 to win .91u


Parlay history:
5u on Cullem @-800 = +.62
5.62u on Phil Davis @ -715 = +.78
6.42u on Couture @ -700 =

[Luke]

I will start looking for boxing near locks again for this thread

[MMA_scientist]

Adding to the parlay:

6.4u on Hornbuckle @ -360 to win 1.7 = 8.1

8.1u on Cormier @ -1400 to win .58

[MMA_scientist]

The parlay LIVES!

[sbjj]

Boxing play

2 units on the Huck-Godfrey over 10 1/2 @ +190.

[Luke]

The parlay LIVES!



great job man . ::clap::

[Luke]

Boxing play

2 units on the Huck-Godfrey over 10 1/2 @ +190.



best of luck SBJJ ::handshake::


I never got around to looking at boxing this week .I've made like one play in boxing in the past few months (Johnson-Cloud over) .I need to get my ass back in gear

[MMA_scientist]

Parlay is up to 8.78 and it is starting to get interesting. I am thinking about Couture as the next lock.

I might need to start thinking about an exit strategy. I am thinking of letting it ride until 15u, then taking 50% down after each win. Any other suggestions?

[Mr. IWS]

I am thinking of letting it ride until 15u, then taking 50% down after each win. Any other suggestions?

I like that idea.

[SPX]

Pretty interesting, Scientist.

I might folllow your lead and start my own "locks" parlay. I'll have to get brave enough to risk 5u on the project, though. I mean, -1200 Lashley did just fucking lose, after all.

[Luke]

I'll look during MNF tonight

[MMA_scientist]

Is Randy parlay worthy? He certainly seems like an absolute lock. But for some reason, there is a black cloud of doom in my mind about this fight.

[Havis Jr]

Is Randy parlay worthy? He certainly seems like an absolute lock. But for some reason, there is a black cloud of doom in my mind about this fight.

what about fight doesn't go the distance prop?

[zY|]

[quote="MMA_scientist":2jvwv0rt]Is Randy parlay worthy? He certainly seems like an absolute lock. But for some reason, there is a black cloud of doom in my mind about this fight.

what about fight doesn't go the distance prop? that seems like a near-lock.[/quote:2jvwv0rt]

What are the odds on that?

[poopoo333]

[quote="Havis Jr":1834sq0f][quote="MMA_scientist":1834sq0f]Is Randy parlay worthy? He certainly seems like an absolute lock. But for some reason, there is a black cloud of doom in my mind about this fight.

what about fight doesn't go the distance prop? that seems like a near-lock.[/quote:1834sq0f]

What are the odds on that?[/quote:1834sq0f]

-1350

[Luke]

-1350


::lmao::

[SPX]

-1350

LOL

What the fuck?

[MMA_scientist]

I think I like the -1350 for an inside the distance. There is literally no way this fight goes to the cards. I would actually be surprised if it lasts more than 2 minutes. Either Randy is going to thrown him down and choke him out or Toney is going to plug him on the way in.

Toney being somewhat of an unknown, and Randy having no chin... I think I am going to do that instead. Thanks.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't think -1350 is bad. It really is a virtual lock. I guess it is possible that Randy's chin hold up and Toney just picks at him for 15 minutes. But realistically, no. Randy is going to go out clinch, drop him, mount him, Toney will give his back and get RNCd. I would take that exact sequence of events at -300.

Then there is about a 10% chance that Toney really can circle away and Randy can't catch him. In that case Toney will drop him early and often.

[Luke]

^^^^ you guys are nuts laying -1350 on that .

[MMA_scientist]

How is that fight going to go to the cards?

[Luke]

How is that fight going to go to the cards?


Why couldnt it?


I'm not saying its likely too but -1350 really?

[MMA_scientist]

How is that fight going to go to the cards?


Why couldnt it?


I'm not saying its likely too but -1350 really?

There is no way Toney is going to keep Randy from advancing position on him. If Randy gets him down, its over. I mean is Toney going to play guard? If he tries to stand up Randy is going to jump on his back. Toney is a whitebelt... he is dead in the water on the ground. I don't care what anyone says... Toney has not had time to learn to grapple. I don't care if he is a 50 year old BJ Penn level prodigy, he would still be dead in the first round. The greatest grappling prodigies in the world would not survive Randy with 1 year of training.

Randy has a better chance at surviving on the feet IMO... but I still think that Toney will put him to bed if Randy is forced to stand in the first. If by some act of God it goes out of the first round, Toney is going to gas and get taken down and pounded/choked.

[Ludo]

[There is no way Toney is going to keep Randy from advancing position on him. If Randy gets him down, its over. I mean is Toney going to play guard? If he tries to stand up Randy is going to jump on his back. Toney is a whitebelt... he is dead in the water on the ground. I don't care what anyone says... Toney has not had time to learn to grapple. I don't care if he is a 50 year old BJ Penn level prodigy, he would still be dead in the first round. The greatest grappling prodigies in the world would not survive Randy with 1 year of training.

Randy has a better chance at surviving on the feet IMO... but I still think that Toney will put him to bed if Randy is forced to stand in the first. If by some act of God it goes out of the first round, Toney is going to gas and get taken down and pounded/choked.


He speaks the truth.

[zY|]

I don't really see how Randy can lose period. Even if the stars align and Toney drops Randy, then what? Do you think he's really going to follow him down and finish him? Nog dropped him like 800 times and couldn't get the job done, no matter what he did.

[Luke]

There is no way Toney is going to keep Randy from advancing position on him. If Randy gets him down, its over. I mean is Toney going to play guard? If he tries to stand up Randy is going to jump on his back. Toney is a whitebelt... he is dead in the water on the ground. I don't care what anyone says... Toney has not had time to learn to grapple. I don't care if he is a 50 year old BJ Penn level prodigy, he would still be dead in the first round. The greatest grappling prodigies in the world would not survive Randy with 1 year of training.

Randy has a better chance at surviving on the feet IMO... but I still think that Toney will put him to bed if Randy is forced to stand in the first. If by some act of God it goes out of the first round, Toney is going to gas and get taken down and pounded/choked.



Toney is going to gas? LMAO seriously? ::lmao::

Toney has fought 12 round boxing matches for the past 20 years and not once have I ever seen him get tired. Now he's going to be "gassed " after one 5 minute round ?

[Luke]

If you are so strong on this fight ending quickly why not take under 1.5 rounds at -250?

I'm not arguing the fight is going the distance I'm just saying at -1350 I wouldnt touch it

[MMA_scientist]

There is no way Toney is going to keep Randy from advancing position on him. If Randy gets him down, its over. I mean is Toney going to play guard? If he tries to stand up Randy is going to jump on his back. Toney is a whitebelt... he is dead in the water on the ground. I don't care what anyone says... Toney has not had time to learn to grapple. I don't care if he is a 50 year old BJ Penn level prodigy, he would still be dead in the first round. The greatest grappling prodigies in the world would not survive Randy with 1 year of training.

Randy has a better chance at surviving on the feet IMO... but I still think that Toney will put him to bed if Randy is forced to stand in the first. If by some act of God it goes out of the first round, Toney is going to gas and get taken down and pounded/choked.



Toney is going to gas? LMAO seriously? ::lmao::

Toney has fought 12 round boxing matches for the past 20 years and not once have I ever seen him get tired. Now he's going to be "gassed " after one 5 minute round ?

Wrestling is way more tiring than boxing. That is why wrestling matches are only 6 minutes long. And he has never conditioned his wrestling muscles. Anyone who has grappled can tell you it is a whole different kind of conditioning.

I guarantee you Toney gasses long and hard if Randy clinches him.

[MMA_scientist]

If you are so strong on this fight ending quickly why not take under 1.5 rounds at -250?

I'm not arguing the fight is going the distance I'm just saying at -1350 I wouldnt touch it

I might consider that... but not for the parlay. The parlay is for things that are going to happen.

[Luke]

Wrestling is way more tiring than boxing. That is why wrestling matches are only 6 minutes long. And he has never conditioned his wrestling muscles. Anyone who has grappled can tell you it is a whole different kind of conditioning.

I guarantee you Toney gasses long and hard if Randy clinches him.


I wrestled in middle school and high school. I've also boxed and KB. I've never boxed a full 12 rounds but I assure you its harder than a 6 minute wrestling match

[Luke]

If you are so strong on this fight ending quickly why not take under 1.5 rounds at -250?

I'm not arguing the fight is going the distance I'm just saying at -1350 I wouldnt touch it

I might consider that... but not for the parlay. The parlay is for things that are going to happen.


So how high are you willing to bet odds wise?

I was capping these plays out around -500 to -600.

[Luke]

I wrestled in middle school and high school. I've also boxed and KB. I've never boxed a full 12 rounds but I assure you its harder than a 6 minute wrestling match


Let me clarify .It takes more endurance to go 12 rounds of boxing but you dont use anywhere near the muscle strength you use in wrestling/grappling

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I would agree that 12 rounds of boxing is more taxing than 6 minutes of wrestling. But wrestling is like sprinting stairs... it just works a different set of muscles. You see college wrestlers gas all the time in the final period. Its not cardio, it is muscle endurance. You can only get grappling cardio by grappling. I won't say one is more difficult that the other, but they are totally different kinds of endurance. I can grapple for hours, but I gas boxing.


As for how high I am willing to go... there is no cap. I just bet Cormier @ -1400... it was good for almost half a unit. That is the whole point, no cap on the odds- just has to be a lock.

[MMA_scientist]

...

[Luke]

...



I like that idea ::thumbup::

[Luke]

As for how high I am willing to go... there is no cap. I just bet Cormier @ -1400... it was good for almost half a unit. That is the whole point, no cap on the odds- just has to be a lock.


Ok then I will look for locks at any amount .

[poopoo333]

I agree with Scientist. Even if Toney has never gassed in a boxing match, he WILL gas in a MMA fight if (when) Randy grapplefucks him. If Randy pushes him against the fence for even a minute, Toney's arms are going to die and he will be that much more ineffective in the stand up.

[SPX]

Toney


Will



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[Luke]

^^^^^^^I think Toney should drop back to 160 so he can beat Jens Pulvers ass.That should be an easy MMA win for Toney

[SPX]

^^^^^^^I think Toney should drop back to 160 so he can beat Jens Pulvers ass.That should be an easy MMA win for Toney

http://www.visitallan.biz/neowin/fail-anime.gif

[poopoo333]

^^^^^^^I think Toney should drop back to 160 so he can beat Jens Pulvers ass.That should be an easy MMA win for Toney

Toney via any submission, even the peruvian necktie.

[Luke]

^^^^^^^I think Toney should drop back to 160 so he can beat Jens Pulvers ass.That should be an easy MMA win for Toney

Toney via any submission, even the peruvian necktie.


::lmao::

[Luke]

In all seriousness I want to see Toney winjust for the look on Dana's face. Dana has been making fun of strikeforce for the Hendo and Fedor's losses and I think it would be great if this backfired on him.
That said I've already seen reports that Toney has a boxing match lined up for later this year so this is probably a one and done thing for him and I have wonder how serious he's taking it

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I think it would be great. I despise Dana and I dislike Randy as well.

But I don't know if it os worth having to hear Toney and all the boxing idiots. I think I have to pull for MMA here, I am with X on that.

[zY|]

I'm pulling for the chaos.

[SPX]

I think I have to pull for MMA here, I am with X on that.

Nice.

[Ludo]

Honestly it doesn't even matter one way or another. If Toney wins he's still irrelevant in Boxing and even less so in MMA. If Randy Wins he beat a guy he was supposed to beat and he's still almost 50 years old as well as filling the gap between obscurity and "my god enough is enough man!".

[Luke]

I think I like the -1350 for an inside the distance. There is literally no way this fight goes to the cards. I would actually be surprised if it lasts more than 2 minutes. Either Randy is going to thrown him down and choke him out or Toney is going to plug him on the way in.

Toney being somewhat of an unknown, and Randy having no chin... I think I am going to do that instead. Thanks.


its -1800 now

[SPX]

its -1800 now

Still some value there, Luke. Get it while it's hot.

[Luke]

its -1800 now

Still some value there, Luke. Get it while it's hot.



You're stupid ::handshake::

[Mangoo]

Toney


Will



http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/red_gas_pump.jpg



And then TAP

[MMA_scientist]

8.78u on Randy @ -580

I am not letting Toney talk me out of what I know to be true. Randy by RNC Rd 1.

Then Toney will mouth about the gayness of hugging. Randy should resond that he could have went to sleep like a man... but he won't. He will just laugh all the way to the bank... and so will I.

[MMA_scientist]

+ 1.51

Brings the parlay to 10.29u

The never ending parlay is the greatest idea I have ever had. Roll on.

[Luke]

+ 1.51

Brings the parlay to 10.29u

The never ending parlay is the greatest idea I have ever had. Roll on.


::thumbup::

[poopoo333]

I'm thinking about joining you on this never ending parlay.

[Mr. IWS]

Nice job brochacho ::thumbup::

[MMA_scientist]

As some of you know, the never ending locks parlay technically never died. I foolishly lost the entire stake on Sokodjou though. Anyway, I am rebooting it in a new long term format.

I am going to have two 5u stakes for it to start. I am going play each stake until I double it, then take it down and start over. The goal is to build this into a totally separate bankroll (50u) and eventually measure it against my true bankroll which I use for regular value plays up to a cap of -300 (-400 in special circumstances). Anything over -300 has to go in the locks parlay.
Just placed my first mixed boxing and MMA parlay to kickstart the never ending locks parlay re-boot:

5u to win 2.9u on:
10/15/2010 9:00 PM Boxing Fighting 502 Lucian Bute* -1300 vs Jesse Brinkley
10/15/2010 8:00 PM Boxing Fighting 522 Adrian Diaconu* -1200 vs Omar Sheika
10/16/2010 4:00 PM Boxing Fighting 502 Vitali Klitschko* -1950 vs Shannon Briggs
10/23/2010 4:00 PM Boxing Fighting 502 Paul Smith* -1500 vs Paul David
10/16/2010 2:00 PM UFC Fighting 1302 John Hathaway* -475 vs Mike Pyle


And we are off.

[brooks85]

i dont know shit about boxing but im gonna add those into a parlay

[poopoo333]

I don't follow boxing, but I was wondering... how often do the huge favorites (-800 or worse) actually lose?

[MMA_scientist]

I have noticed that any big favorite in boxing is automatically -1000. The lines on favorites are much steeper in boxing than MMA IMO. But I have heard a lot of guys can beat boxing, so I am getting more into it.

They do lose. I asked around about every fight in the parlay (paul smith/davis) has been cancelled. I think they are are pretty much locks. I am a little worried about Diaconu, because I heard is sort of hot and cold.

[Luke]

I don't follow boxing, but I was wondering... how often do the huge favorites (-800 or worse) actually lose?


Top 20 fighters you see on HBO and Showtime rarely lose as -800 or above favs but on ESPN FNF's or Showbox or untelevised fights where fighters have 10 or less fights it happens alot

[sbjj]

Diaconu won, and Bute is beating the shit out of Brinkley.

[Luke]

Diaconu won, and Bute is beating the shit out of Brinkley.


I saw the Bute fight . Brinkley had no chance in that one. Watching the Tarver fight right now

[brooks85]

i wish i knew boxing like I did mma, the frequency of events is mouthwatering. I look forward to UFC to expand its promo into asia and brazil. I was pumped when I read about that but last I heard the pres said they might wait until the 2016 olympics in brazil for the first event, hopefully they kickstart the international brand a lot sooner.

[MMA_scientist]

Well all of my boxing bets came through, but Hathaway ruined it.

[SPX]

Well all of my boxing bets came through, but Hathaway ruined it.

That fight was a shocker. Pyle came in and did work and Hathaway got his hype train derailed.

[MMA_scientist]

yeah, Pyle did some work on his takedowns. He flat out wrecked Hathaway. I thought Story and Diego were better wrestlers than Pyle, apparently not anymore.

[Luke]

Juan Manuel Lopez -400
Amir Khan -290

parlayed

1.47 units to win 1

[Luke]

Juan Manuel Lopez -400
Amir Khan -290

parlayed

1.47 units to win 1


Lopez won now I need Khan to finsish it out. I'll probably bet Khan straight also

[sbjj]

I was looking at a possible Faber-Pac Man-Machida parlay.

[edman5555]

Machida by dec?

[MMA_scientist]

I was looking at a possible Faber-Pac Man-Machida parlay.

I am going to do Davis and something... maybe Faber/Davis.

[Luke]

I was looking at a possible Faber-Pac Man-Machida parlay.


I'm going to stick to boxing parlays but gl man

[MMA_scientist]

4 to win 2 on Faber/Davis