View Full Version : KOS -GSP odds
GSP -360
KOS +280
Give me GSP please ::thumbup::
Mr. IWS
06-09-2010, 04:28 PM
GSP via Riddum. I hope that shit dont go up any more. I could see Kos tricking people into driving that down a bit with his big mouth.
Well shit, if that line holds then I'll be on him for 5u as soon as I get home.
Whats with bodog being the first to put out lines? Bookmaker is starting to look the fools with their"where the line orginates" bs
poopoo333
06-09-2010, 04:39 PM
Wow. If only I still used bodog.
MMA_scientist
06-09-2010, 04:53 PM
So you guys think GSP is good @ -360?
I am not on board. I am on Kos or nothing. Probably nothing.
Svino
06-09-2010, 04:56 PM
Yeah, I'd take GSP at those odds.
So you guys think GSP is good @ -360?
I am not on board. I am on Kos or nothing. Probably nothing.
Yes GSP is good no doubt. I was thinking -350 so -360 is fine .As long as it doesnt shoot through the roof I'm on it
MMA_scientist
06-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Why? I don't see it. The first fight was not an absolute demolition. I think Koscheck's wrestling is going to be a lot stiffer this time, and he does have power in his strikes. I wouldn't be surprised to see some takedowns from Koscheck. Don't get me wrong, GSP should win... but I would't go over -200 or so.
Thewiseman
06-09-2010, 05:19 PM
Why? I don't see it. The first fight was not an absolute demolition. I think Koscheck's wrestling is going to be a lot stiffer this time, and he does have power in his strikes. I wouldn't be surprised to see some takedowns from Koscheck. Don't get me wrong, GSP should win... but I would't go over -200 or so.
Thats kind of what im thinking.
Mr. IWS
06-09-2010, 05:49 PM
Why? I don't see it. The first fight was not an absolute demolition. I think Koscheck's wrestling is going to be a lot stiffer this time, and he does have power in his strikes. I wouldn't be surprised to see some takedowns from Koscheck. Don't get me wrong, GSP should win... but I would't go over -200 or so.
Your underestimating the Riddum.
^^^^ geez you two (wiseman and MMAscientist) are already falling for the hype. KOS beats two guys with zero ground game and now your giving him a chance against the best wrestler in the UFC,wow I say
poopoo333
06-09-2010, 05:54 PM
^^^^ geez you two (wiseman and MMAscientist) are already falling for the hype. KOS beats two guys with zero ground game and now your giving him a chance against the best wrestler in the UFC,wow I say
I don't think they are falling for the hype, they just think Kos will be able to do something that he probably won't be able to do haha. And really I haven't seen much hype for Kos, there was more for Hardy.
poopoo333
06-09-2010, 05:54 PM
Oh and GSP up to -450.
Oh and GSP up to -450.
looks like GSP will be visting the MMA/boxing parlay thread then
GSP is going to mop the floor with Koscheck.
-360 is great, but this probably isn't happening until NYE at least. I can't wait that long.
Thewiseman
06-09-2010, 06:08 PM
I think GSP will win, but If Koscheck can defend the takedown or maybe get a few of his own, it will be interesting. When they fought the first time, he wasnt working his wrestling and im sure he is now. I just dont like -360. And now its -450, plus that is way too long to wait.
I think GSP will win, but If Koscheck can defend the takedown or maybe get a few of his own, it will be interesting. When they fought the first time, he wasnt working his wrestling and im sure he is now. I just dont like -360. And now its -450, plus that is way too long to wait.
I don't even care if he does stop the takedowns (he won't). GSP will beat his ass standing up too. Kos is like the diet coke of GSP. He has all the physical tools but lacks the knowledge and attitude to put it all together properly. Plus he's older and less skilled.
He's -340 at sportsbook.
How is it falling for the hype to say Koscheck can in theory stop some of GSP's takedowns and even take GSP down himself? The guy was a Four time All American Division 1 Wrestler. He won the PSAC Wrestler of the year award three times in college. There is NO ONE in that division with a better Wrestling pedigree than Koscheck. He has (since losing to GSP) hired a new strength and conditioning coach, as well as gotten back to working on his wrestling instead of stand up all the time. Lets not forget that even the Koscheck GSP fought the first time who was lazy, unconditioned, and not working his wrestling with any kind of frequency was able to sweep GSP from the bottom. If anyone in the division can pose a problem for GSP it's a motivated Josh Koscheck.
Anyone who thinks GSP beats Koscheck standing is full of it. In a pure striking match GSP gets eaten alive by anyone with inside skills. His straight boxing is garbage and he's all reach, kicks, and superman punches. Why do you think He got clipped by Serra(other than the fact that it was a lucky shot)? Serra is very good at getting inside because of his short reach. But don't get it twisted like GSP is gods gift to Welterweight striking. It's because of the constant threat of a takedown that causes his opponents to drop thier hands in an attempt to stuff a takedown that allows him to look better with his hands. If you don't believe me watch the tape from his fight with Fitch, the second fight with penn, and even the fight with Alves. They all started out strong with their hands up until he landed a couple takedowns and then they kept their hands lower to help stuff a shot and thats when he came in over the top with a superman punch, or a kick.
Im with you Ludo...I will be on Koscheck when this fight comes around. Hopin to get him at +350 or better.
poopoo333
06-09-2010, 10:26 PM
GSP has gotten better since the first Kos fight, he gets better with every fight. I just don't see Kos winning. He may be worth a bet at like +400 though, but I would expect that to be money down the drain.
GSP by decision.
LOL Ludo
Even if you're right about GSP's striking(you're not), all Koscheck Does is throw telegraphed fast balls like he's Nolan Ryan.
Kos will likely put up a good fight and won't go down easily, but I don't see him having a great chance of actually winning because GSP is better at everything.
Also he didn't sweep GSP, he stood up and grabbed a leg then fought for a takedown. Big difference.
MMA_scientist
06-10-2010, 12:34 AM
The guy was a Four time All American Division 1 Wrestler. He won the PSAC Wrestler of the year award three times in college. There is NO ONE in that division with a better Wrestling pedigree than Koscheck.
Dont want to beat a dead horse, but Hendricks has a better wrestling pedigree than Kos, and would also beat his ass in a wrestling match.
I disagree that GSP can't beat Kos standing.
That said, Kos has a chance.
That said, Kos has a chance.
Yeah about as much as Llyod Christmas did
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Dont want to beat a dead horse, but Hendricks has a better wrestling pedigree than Kos, and would also beat his ass in a wrestling match.
So when's the wedding?
That said, Kos has a chance.
Yeah about as much as Llyod Christmas did
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Jacob Volkmann? He's not on this card.
The guy was a Four time All American Division 1 Wrestler. He won the PSAC Wrestler of the year award three times in college. There is NO ONE in that division with a better Wrestling pedigree than Koscheck.
Dont want to beat a dead horse, but Hendricks has a better wrestling pedigree than Kos, and would also beat his ass in a wrestling match.
I disagree that GSP can't beat Kos standing.
That said, Kos has a chance.
Scientist you are absolutely delusional if you think that hendricks is that much better of a wrestler than koscheck. Having been a D1 wrestler myself at the same time as these two guys and watched both of them compete on a weekly basis I can tell you first hand there is a huge difference between the 2 weight classes these two wrestled (157/174). Secondly koscheck would of beat his ass in a match back then and i would put my money that he would still beat his ass now.
So when's the wedding?
LOL
MMA_scientist
06-10-2010, 09:35 AM
Scientist you are absolutely delusional if you think that hendricks is that much better of a wrestler than koscheck. Having been a D1 wrestler myself at the same time as these two guys and watched both of them compete on a weekly basis I can tell you first hand there is a huge difference between the 2 weight classes these two wrestled (157/174). Secondly koscheck would of beat his ass in a match back then and i would put my money that he would still beat his ass now.
Well Hendricks graduated in 2007 and Koscheck in 2002... So unless you had a hella long wrestling career, you didn't see them wrestling at the same time. You might have seen the last couple of years of Koscheck's career and the first couple of Hendricks'. Still it would be hard to compare a senior to a sophmore, even though Hendricks was already better than Koscheck by his Sophmore year, IMO.
I know Hendricks was lighter then, but he is not now. He has added muscle, and they both weight 170 now. I don't think that 174 is somehow inherently tougher than 157 and that makes him better.
Hendricks clearly has a better pedigree than Koscheck, having won it all 2x (and really, he was the best 3 times, having gone like 6-1 against Perry the year Perry won his first).
So I guess we are just going to have to disagree. I think Hendricks would handle Koscheck pretty easily in a wrestling match. Koscheck is also 33 years old... his wrestling always based on his poweful shot, which is starting to wane...
We are never going to know who would win a wrestling match. Koscheck is the more accomplished MMA fighter at this point. But there is no argument about who is a more accomplished wrestler.
MMA_scientist
06-10-2010, 09:40 AM
Also for the record, Hendricks wrestled 165 in 2007, not 157.
I wrestled @ 167 myself. I know the weight classes. There is not a big difference between 165 and 174, IMO.
I see this fight being much more even than people are thinking. GSP will have a harder time landing takedowns this time around. Koscheck did not expect takedowns WHATSOEVER in the first fight and that's why it ended the way it did. Nevertheless, GSP still mixes up takedowns and striking so much better at this point, I see him mixing it up for a decision victory. Koscheck will not be the one to dethrone GSP, but GSP's days are numbered. I pray to God they are.
I see this fight being much more even than people are thinking. GSP will have a harder time landing takedowns this time around. Koscheck did not expect takedowns WHATSOEVER in the first fight and that's why it ended the way it did. Nevertheless, GSP still mixes up takedowns and striking so much better at this point, I see him mixing it up for a decision victory. Koscheck will not be the one to dethrone GSP, but GSP's days are numbered. I pray to God they are.
If KOS isnt going to beat GSP who is? He already beat Serra,Alves,Fitch Huges,Penn and KOS so whos left?
I see this fight being much more even than people are thinking. GSP will have a harder time landing takedowns this time around. Koscheck did not expect takedowns WHATSOEVER in the first fight and that's why it ended the way it did. Nevertheless, GSP still mixes up takedowns and striking so much better at this point, I see him mixing it up for a decision victory. Koscheck will not be the one to dethrone GSP, but GSP's days are numbered. I pray to God they are.
If KOS isnt going to beat GSP who is? He already beat Serra,Alves,Fitch Huges,Penn and KOS so whos left?
Martin Kampmann ::lmao::
poopoo333
06-16-2010, 02:31 PM
GSP's days as champ are not numbered. At all.
Mr. IWS
06-16-2010, 02:42 PM
GSP's days as champ are not numbered. At all.
This
Martin Kampmann ::lmao::
Martin Kampmann continues to surprise. . .
GSP's days as champ are not numbered. At all.
Only because they haven't set up the Serra/GSP rubber match yet. . .
Mr. IWS
06-16-2010, 02:59 PM
^^^^ You bear false treason here.
^^^^ You bear false treason here.
Bear false . . . treason?
Mr. IWS
06-16-2010, 03:12 PM
Yup
I see this fight being much more even than people are thinking. GSP will have a harder time landing takedowns this time around. Koscheck did not expect takedowns WHATSOEVER in the first fight and that's why it ended the way it did. Nevertheless, GSP still mixes up takedowns and striking so much better at this point, I see him mixing it up for a decision victory. Koscheck will not be the one to dethrone GSP, but GSP's days are numbered. I pray to God they are.
If KOS isnt going to beat GSP who is? He already beat Serra,Alves,Fitch Huges,Penn and KOS so whos left?
A younger guy who we probably haven't heard of yet that will become better than GSP at MMA.
A younger guy who we probably haven't heard of yet that will become better than GSP at MMA.
good luck finding that guy
A younger guy who we probably haven't heard of yet that will become better than GSP at MMA.
good luck finding that guy
Yup. WWs have their work cut out for them when the champion, who is only 29 himself and already far more skilled than everyone, works harder at improving than anyone in the division.
Svino
06-16-2010, 09:31 PM
I'd give Kos as good a chance as anyone against GSP right now, but that's not saying much. Their first fight was not close at all. The two judges that gave Kos round 1 were crazy, IMO. I'm also not feeling his excuse about why he lost it. Even if he was losing the wrestling game because had over-focused on his striking, there's another problem: GSP was destroying him in the stand-up as well! So if he focuses more on the wrestling this time around, that's not going to help his striking problem. If Kos is going to win this, he needs to not just equal GSP in wrestling, but to surpass him. He needs to take GSP down consistently and smother him like he did to Daley. Obviously, I can't see it happening.
Rematches don't always go the same way, but I see nothing that tells me Koscheck has improved his game much more than St.-Pierre has improved his. If it weren't for the need to throw someone at GSP, I doubt anyone would be clamoring to see this fight again.
I see this fight being much more even than people are thinking. GSP will have a harder time landing takedowns this time around. Koscheck did not expect takedowns WHATSOEVER in the first fight and that's why it ended the way it did. Nevertheless, GSP still mixes up takedowns and striking so much better at this point, I see him mixing it up for a decision victory. Koscheck will not be the one to dethrone GSP, but GSP's days are numbered. I pray to God they are.
If KOS isnt going to beat GSP who is? He already beat Serra,Alves,Fitch Huges,Penn and KOS so whos left?
A younger guy who we probably haven't heard of yet that will become better than GSP at MMA.
That was what I was pretty much getting at... it's a long shot but it will happen.
MMA_scientist
08-10-2010, 11:33 AM
GSP is going to win IMO. But I think Koscheck has a realistic chance. I think the wrestling is going to be a lot closer this time. Kos won't be able to hold GSP down even if he gets him down. I think GSP is going to have a tougher time takeing Kos down this time... Striking still goes to GSP in my book. GSP is just flat out the man, there are no holes in his game.
I considered the wrestling and this is pretty much where I'm at:
Kos couldn't take Alves down. He didn't really try in the first round, but did make some attempts in the second and third. He got nothing. GSP, however, got Alves down several times. Also, Fitch DID take Alves down, but Fitch could not take GSP down.
So I just don't see Kos's wrestling really mattering that much. If he gets GSP down, it won't count for much because it will be momentary.
poopoo333
08-10-2010, 11:36 AM
The thing about the Kos/Alves fight was that Kos took the fight on like 2 weeks notice and IIRC his legs got battered in the first round which hindered his TDs in the rest of the fight.
The thing about the Kos/Alves fight was that Kos took the fight on like 2 weeks notice and IIRC his legs got battered in the first round which hindered his TDs in the rest of the fight.
That's true, and I'm sure it effected him, but how much is the question.
poopoo333
08-10-2010, 11:54 AM
The thing about the Kos/Alves fight was that Kos took the fight on like 2 weeks notice and IIRC his legs got battered in the first round which hindered his TDs in the rest of the fight.
That's true, and I'm sure it effected him, but how much is the question.
I don't know, let me call him and ask.
I don't know, let me call him and ask.
Okay, let us know what he says.
After seeing Sonnen knock down Silva, I wouldn't be surprised if Kos comes out and flying kimuras GSP.
After seeing Sonnen (R-Or) knock down Silva, I wouldn't be surprised if Kos comes out and flying kimuras GSP.
LOL
poopoo333
08-10-2010, 12:17 PM
I don't know, let me call him and ask.
Okay, let us know what he says.
He wants to know if you accidentally the whole thing.
He wants to know if you accidentally the whole thing.
He wants to know what. . .?
poopoo333
08-10-2010, 12:22 PM
He wants to know if you accidentally the whole thing.
He wants to know what. . .?
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He wants to know if you accidentally the whole thing.
He wants to know what. . .?
I think SPX is a pretty cool guy, eh misses every meme and doesn't afraid of anything...
I think SPX is a pretty cool guy, eh misses every meme and doesn't afraid of anything...
You're gay.
Mr. IWS
08-10-2010, 01:03 PM
You're gay.
Son, I am dissapoint.
You're gay.
Son, I am dissapoint.
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Thewiseman
08-10-2010, 08:24 PM
I considered the wrestling and this is pretty much where I'm at:
Kos couldn't take Alves down. He didn't really try in the first round, but did make some attempts in the second and third. He got nothing. GSP, however, got Alves down several times. Also, Fitch DID take Alves down, but Fitch could not take GSP down.
So I just don't see Kos's wrestling really mattering that much. If he gets GSP down, it won't count for much because it will be momentary.
Kos didnt try and take Alves down until after he was rocked.
Kos didnt try and take Alves down until after he was rocked.
He made some clean attempts in the second and third.
Unless you think he was just rocked for the whole fight since he got hit in the first.
Thewiseman
08-11-2010, 02:48 PM
I think a fresh Kos that wasnt rocked or battered with leg kicks takes Alves down.
MMA_scientist
08-11-2010, 03:03 PM
I would favor Koscheck in the rematch. It was an anomaly. Koscheck hasn't been stuffed like that since, and Alves has never really stuffed anyone like that befor or since. I think Koscheck had a bad gameplan and was unprepared for the fight. I would be on Kos @ even odds in a rematch
Yea, I agree about Kos-Alves. BTW, anyone else notice the physical difference in the look of Alves from when he fought Karo, Hughes, and Kos, and when he fought Fitch. Much thinner, and not as pumped up.
Mr. IWS
08-11-2010, 03:26 PM
Yea, I agree about Kos-Alves. BTW, anyone else notice the physical difference in the look of Alves from when he fought Karo, Hughes, and Kos, and when he fought Fitch. Much thinner, and not as pumped up.
Lack-o-roids
BTW, anyone else notice the physical difference in the look of Alves from when he fought Karo, Hughes, and Kos, and when he fought Fitch. Much thinner, and not as pumped up.
Don't get Scientist started.
BTW, excellent avatar. Turtle Power.
Yea, it is kinda funny. i was sitting next to my brother in law. And when Alves entered the cage, i said Fitch has this one. And before that I had no clue. He did not even look like the same fighter to me.
Yea, it is kinda funny. i was sitting next to my brother in law. And when Alves entered the cage, i said Fitch has this one. And before that I had no clue. He did not even look like the same fighter to me.
I think he looks like he used to before he became Super Alves. Maybe he was on the roids and now he's off. I'm not sure. Scientist, though, is convinced he was on the roids, and will be happy to produce photographic evidence as well as charts and graphs to prove it.
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