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poopoo333
06-16-2010, 11:03 PM
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ManBoobKilla
06-17-2010, 08:07 PM
Grispi, Varner, and Assuncao all look extremely good!!
Varner's overall skillset is definitely ahead of Shalorus's. But I honestly do not think that Varner can take Shalorus down, so his ground skills are a moot point. I think this fight will be contested on the feet (unless Shalorus wants to take it to the ground, which he never seems to want to do).
Varner's boxing is definitely more technically superb, but Shalorus has more power.
Interesting matchup. If money comes in on Varner, I will be on Shalorus. As it stands, I'll probably stay away.
MMA_scientist
06-18-2010, 09:46 AM
I was thinking about Shalorus, but he does not translate his wrestling to mma well at all. I think Varner will beat him.
on a side note, watch this video for a laugh. Shalorus is a db. He is in a grappling match, refuses to engage, and then the other guy starts making fun of him and they start throwing down in an elementary school gym:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUgbXuys94&feature=related
I was thinking about Shalorus, but he does not translate his wrestling to mma well at all. I think Varner will beat him.
What exactly do you mean, doesn't translate well? If you go back and watch Dave Jansen's fights, he never had a big problem taking people down, but he couldn't take Shalorus down for shit. In fact, I don't think Shalorus has been taken down at all, at least in the WEC, and I don't really think Varner's going to be able to do it either.
But like I said, Varner will have the more technical striking, which should win him the fight. But I don't really like him at -170, especially after I lost money on him against Bendo.
on a side note, watch this video for a laugh. Shalorus is a db. He is in a grappling match, refuses to engage, and then the other guy starts making fun of him and they start throwing down in an elementary school gym:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUgbXuys94&feature=related
Dude, that's funny as shit. Was dude's headbutt intentional, do you think? Because that seems to be what set the whole thing off.
Clearly it was intentional. That's what started the fight.
Shalorus think he's Chuck Liddell.
Clearly it was intentional. That's what started the fight.
Well, since I said, "Because that seems to be what set the whole thing off," I know that's what started the fight. But that doesn't mean it was intentional.
It looks like he may have been shooting in for a takedown and their heads collided. That shit happens in MMA all the time.
Clearly it was intentional. That's what started the fight.
Well, since I said, "Because that seems to be what set the whole thing off," I know that's what started the fight. But that doesn't mean it was intentional.
It looks like he may have been shooting in for a takedown and their heads collided. That shit happens in MMA all the time.
LOL watch it again.
That headbutt is UNMISTAKABLY intentional. He was shooting for a headbutt.
Also notice Kamal grabs a single after that. ::thumbup::
MMA_scientist
06-18-2010, 12:18 PM
Kamal gets in a grappling match then refuses to grapple... I would have been frustrated too. I lold when the guy tried to give him his back and Kamal wouldn't take it. It was clear that Kamal just wanted ot wait until 20 seconds were left, score a takedown, and get a W without having to grapple at all.
I am fine with trying to win on takedowns, but Kamal wouldn't even try to get a takedown... he was just stuffing teh other guy and not doing anything.
SPX, I said I do not think he translates his wrestling well as far as control. You see it a lot, these guys that come from international wrestling styles are not as good at controlling opponents. Freetstyle and greco are all about the takedowns and back exposure. There is almost no mat wrestling. So when he gets the takedowns, he doesn't do a very good job of holding it. And since I find his striking to be nothing more than wild brawling, he needs to do more than sprawl and brawl.
He is good at takedowns and even better at stuffing them though.
MMA_scientist
06-18-2010, 01:03 PM
^ and as to the headbutt, it looks like Kamal did it first, and they were both on purpose IMO.
Mr. IWS
06-18-2010, 02:19 PM
Also notice Kamal grabs a single after that. ::thumbup::
That was the funniest part of the vid.
Thanks for posting that scientist.
IMO this is a great card for underdogs!
ManBoobKilla
06-20-2010, 01:06 PM
1U on Varner and Karen parlay
1U on Grispi
1U on Yves
MMA_scientist
06-20-2010, 01:46 PM
1U on Varner and Karen parlay
1U on Grispi
1U on Yves
Why Grispi? He is a beast, but I think LC matches up favorably with him. Is Grispi's striking better than LC's?
I'm thinking Yves and LC myself. I think Grispi is being favored because all his fights are done by finish and 1st round.
.74u to win 1u on Shalorus
.69u to win 1u on Davis
I'm wondering if or if not to pull the trigger on Shalorus. Everyone likes him to win this fight it seems. ::headbanger::
Varner is going to have problems getting Shalorus down, his striking is better but Shalorus has more power. This is a fairly even fight but I see Shalorus deciding where it takes place which could play a major factor if it goes to decision. Shalorus is just a bad matchup for Varner really.
I'm wondering if or if not to pull the trigger on Shalorus. Everyone likes him to win this fight it seems. ::headbanger::
That means Varner will beat his ass.
I think if Shalorus has intentions to take him down he's got a good shot at winning. If he just wants to throw bombs he's probably going to lose.
If Shalorus were to want to make this fight a complete wrestling and top control match, then he takes it. It's just the unpredictability of whether he's going to decide to throw bombs with Varner and his cardio. I haven't seen enough footage on Shalorus to judge his cardio and honestly, I'm not in the mood to go find and watch all of his previous fights right now ::rolling::
His cardio is decent, but it's only a 3 round fight remember. Even if he wants to play top control he should have no issue with cardio.
Whoever put money on Diego Nunes just barely lucked out by split decision. I'll put money on Shalorus if both Davis and Yves win.
anyone know where I can see weigh in pictures from last night?
edman5555
06-20-2010, 09:28 PM
I bet
Diego nunes
Wagnney Fabbianno
Renan Barao
Kamal Shalarous
LC Davis
Dan Downes(1 small bet)
Yves Jaboin(1 small bet)
I threw a lot of these guys in two fight parlays. 3 for 3 right now. Pretty nice night so far.
If I keep winning I might throw down a little extra on Shalorous. I read he was an Olympic Wrester..? How is his BJJ?
His Jiu Jitsu we really haven't seen yet. He doesn't spend much time on the ground in his fights. His wrestling is world class though, his takedowns are sharp as hell and his takedown defense is even better. The only question now is can he land a big shot on Varner and not get picked apart for three rounds.
I bet that gets FOTN right there.
edman5555
06-20-2010, 09:57 PM
I def didn't see Will Kerr winning. Would have been nice to bet him.
I def didn't see Will Kerr winning. Would have been nice to bet him.
Yeah true. I didn't bet him but I did in the contest. I assumed (mistakenly) that his last loss via armbar in the first round was just a mistake and he took the guy lightly and would not happen again, considering Karen is a legit grappler. Apparently there's more to it.
WEC 50 on a wed?
stupid
I dunno. I kinda like Wednesday cards. The UFC does Fight Nights during the week sometimes, and I thought Strikeforce the other night was cool.
poopoo333
06-20-2010, 10:08 PM
0.5u L.C. Davis @+180
Grispi got a sick guillotine.
Damn, that nigga went straight to sleep.
poopoo333
06-20-2010, 10:19 PM
0.5u on Yves @+155
Kenny doing some stellar commentary.
final countdown ::winna::
Kenny doing some stellar commentary.
Sarcasm?
Kenny doing some stellar commentary.
Sarcasm?
Nah I think he's onpoint tonight.
edman5555
06-20-2010, 10:46 PM
What do you guys think about Shal? Anyone on him?
poopoo333
06-20-2010, 10:49 PM
1u Kamal @+175
Yes.. trying to bet the dogs.
Hominick fight was exceptional.
Svino
06-20-2010, 10:50 PM
Woah, the ending to that Hominick / Jabouin fight was crazy.
[quote="zY|":4zbzevtt]Kenny doing some stellar commentary.
Sarcasm?
Nah I think he's onpoint tonight.[/quote:4zbzevtt]
I'm surprised he's doing commentary two nights in a row. He's definitely setting himself up for a career beyond the cage when he retires.
Now Yves cost me 1U!!!! Motherfffffff
I'm surprised by Darabedyan.
He looked like a bad ass against Razor Rob and now it's 0-2 in his last two.
Cecil Peoples ::haptime::
What the fuck is a freestyle fighter? What does that even mean?
What the fuck is a freestyle fighter? What does that even mean?
I think it means he knows a little of everything but not alot about anything.
Svino
06-20-2010, 11:20 PM
What the fuck is a freestyle fighter? What does that even mean?
Usually, it means "nonspecialized". Like for a lot of guys that started their training as mixed martial artists instead of starting with a heavy background in one of the specific wrestling / submission / striking arts.
gotta give that round 10-9 to Varner for the rocking
Shalorus/Varner fight is looking damn good!
gotta give that round 10-9 to Varner for the rocking
agree
I think it means he knows a little of everything but not alot about anything.
Usually, it means "nonspecialized". Like for a lot of guys that started their training as mixed martial artists instead of starting with a heavy background in one of the specific wrestling / submission / striking arts.
Thanks.
That's what I figured. It seems like all MMA fighters and kind of that, although I do get the distinction of someone who started in a specific discipline and someone who started in an actually MMA gym.
I cant pick a dog to save my life,good thing I'm not betting these and started my underdog picks just for the contest
I cant pick a dog to save my life,good thing I'm not betting these and started my underdog picks just for the contest
One more round to go. Shalorus could get the KO.
9-9 Shalorus 2nd round, 19-18
too bad this isnt a 5 round fight .I think Kamal would have this for sure if it were 5
Varner ain't having kids.
Why's Varner worried about points? It's not like Shalorus can win via points.
Why's Varner worried about points? It's not like Shalorus can win via points.
IMO Varner is looking for a way out
Why's Varner worried about points? It's not like Shalorus can win via points.
IMO Varner is looking for a way out
I don't blame him after being kicked in the jewels 3 times.
IMO Varner is looking for a way out
He always does that shit. He did get legitimately tagged, though.
What a bizarre fight.
29-27 Varner.
edman5555
06-20-2010, 11:40 PM
I see Shal forgot he is an olympic wrestler.
Fighters need to do shit to toughen their hands up.
Draw, Fuckin' Cecil Peoples
So are we counting a draw as a Push in the contest?
LOLWUT??
How in the bloody fuck can you score it 29-27 Shalorus?
Something is fucked up here.
Draw, Fuckin' Cecil Peoples
I knew he'd fuck this fight up
::lolzorz:: Peoples
Holy fucking shit!
I would've laughed my ass off if People's had given it to Shalorus. I bet Shalorus seriously regrets losing that point now.
LOLWUT??
How in the bloody fuck can you score it 29-27 Shalorus?
Something is fucked up here.
3 rounds to 0 ::lmao::
I knew he'd fuck this fight up
::lolzorz:: Peoples
I guess you didn't lose your bet. . .
So are we counting a draw as a Push in the contest?
yeah ::handshake::
Svino
06-20-2010, 11:44 PM
LOLWUT??
How in the bloody fuck can you score it 29-27 Shalorus?
Something is fucked up here.
I think someone deducted a point from Varner for getting kicked in the nuts.
LOLWUT??
How in the bloody fuck can you score it 29-27 Shalorus?
Something is fucked up here.
3 rounds to 0 ::lmao::
That's fucking laughable. Varner won the first 2 rounds all day.
Anyone catch whose scorecard that was?
I knew he'd fuck this fight up
::lolzorz:: Peoples
I guess you didn't lose your bet. . .
LOL the first fight I didnt lose in the contest and I get a draw lol
::wooo::
You deduct a point for every testicle lost. Varner lost one tonight so therefore he lost a point.
This event was long as shit, by the way.
Svino
06-20-2010, 11:47 PM
It's funny how Varner was all "Hey, lets be friends" with Shalorus after the fight, and then after the decision, was like "Fuck you, man".
Seriously, this is easily the robbery of the year.
Seriously, this is easily the robbery of the year.
You missed Garcia-Korean Zombie didnt you?
It's funny how Varner was all "Hey, lets be friends" with Shalorus after the fight, and then after the decision, was like "Fuck you, man".
Of course he did that ,he was only being nice because he thought he won.
I hope Varner takes the title or Kamal .I'd love to see these guys go at it for 5 rounds.
Seriously, this is easily the robbery of the year.
You missed Garcia-Korean Zombie didnt you?
This is far worse.
Cecil Peoples quote:
Look, if yall think judging MMA is easy then by all means, go to MMA law school and become a judge. I ain't hearing this no more
LOL @ Cecil
That's clearly a fake twitter account. Still funny though.
That's clearly a fake twitter account. Still funny though.
Shhhh....
That's clearly a fake twitter account. Still funny though.
Have you seen some of the other shit from that account? Its freaking hilarious
Overall I had it a draw, but the fact that Peoples was the DECIDING Judge in that mess, on top of his judging at Shogun/Machida 1 is starting to really grind on My nerves. I didn't lose money in the contest or otherwise because of him but I would prefer a winner over a draw. At least then we can figure out whats next for these guys other than a long layoff for Varner again.
Is UFC 116 where I earn my money back? It must......
Overall I had it a draw, but the fact that Peoples was the DECIDING Judge in that mess, on top of his judging at Shogun/Machida 1 is starting to really grind on My nerves. I didn't lose money in the contest or otherwise because of him but I would prefer a winner over a draw. At least then we can figure out whats next for these guys other than a long layoff for Varner again.
Seriously, Peoples is shit. But there are worse offenders. It really gets annoying that he is the scapegoat for bad decisions because he's goofy looking. The one judge that scored all 3 rounds for Shalorus, nobody even knows his name.
Svino
06-21-2010, 12:43 AM
Overall I had it a draw, but the fact that Peoples was the DECIDING Judge in that mess, on top of his judging at Shogun/Machida 1 is starting to really grind on My nerves. I didn't lose money in the contest or otherwise because of him but I would prefer a winner over a draw. At least then we can figure out whats next for these guys other than a long layoff for Varner again.
Seriously, Peoples is shit. But there are worse offenders. It really gets annoying that he is the scapegoat for bad decisions because he's goofy looking. The one judge that scored all 3 rounds for Shalorus, nobody even knows his name.
C-Peeps was't even the worst judge in Shogun-Machida 1. He had the first three rounds for Machida, each of which is individually defensible, but there was some other guy that gave actually round 4 to Machida.
Overall I had it a draw, but the fact that Peoples was the DECIDING Judge in that mess, on top of his judging at Shogun/Machida 1 is starting to really grind on My nerves. I didn't lose money in the contest or otherwise because of him but I would prefer a winner over a draw. At least then we can figure out whats next for these guys other than a long layoff for Varner again.
I wouldnt tell anyone I judged the fight the same as Cecil
the judge that had it 29-27 Kamal was Cameron Quwek
the judge that had it 29-27 Kamal was Cameron Quwek
Adding him to my douchemeter.
the judge that had it 29-27 Kamal was Cameron Quwek
Oh yeah, ol' Cameron. . .
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Varner-Shalorus.html
Fightmetric agreeing with my scorecard exactly, as usual.
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Varner-Shalorus.html
Fightmetric agreeing with my scorecard exactly, as usual.
Did you bet Varner?
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Varner-Shalorus.html
Fightmetric agreeing with my scorecard exactly, as usual.
Did you bet Varner?
Nope, Shalorus.
Nope, Shalorus.
ok I was just wondering. My people that get a gift decision to save them arent usually mad about it
Nope, Shalorus.
ok I was just wondering. My people that get a gift decision to save them arent usually mad about it
Hey I'll take it. Me calling it a shitty decision ain't gonna change it. Half the time they swing the other way so I'd rather they just fucking get it right.
Hominick and Jabouin each cashed in as the evening's "Fight of the Night" for their all-Canadian brawl, Wineland was awarded the "Knockout of the Night" award, and Grispi earned the "Submission of the Night" bonus for his first-round chokeout of L.C. Davis.
Each bonus was worth $10,000.
::handshake::
MMA_scientist
06-21-2010, 09:32 AM
Just watched this fight this morning and just want to say that Varner got totally jobbed.
He clearly won the 1st 2 rounds IMO. 10-9, 10-8...
Judges are really a problem. It is really damn bad.
WEC 49 ratings peak with 324,000 viewers but total audience lowest since 2008
With no titles on the line and most of the organization's biggest stars on the sidelines, ratings dipped for Sunday's Versus-televised WEC 49 event but peaked with 324,000 viewers for the night's Jamie Varner vs. Kamal Shalorus lightweight headliner.
MMAjunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com) today obtained the ratings estimates from an industry source.
The June 20 WEC 49 event, which took place at Rexall Place in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, averaged approximately 244,000 viewers.
The event – which followed "Strikeforce: Los Angeles" on Wednesday, Bellator 22 on Thursday, and The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale on Saturday – was the lowest-rated show since the WEC's record-breaking WEC 34 event (1.54 million viewers) in June 2008.
::handshake::
First off, not surprising. Even I wasn't particularly excited about this one. There were honestly not many fighters on this card that I really cared much about.
Second, I had no idea that ANY WEC event ever had over 1.5M viewers.
First off, not surprising. Even I wasn't particularly excited about this one. There were honestly not many fighters on this card that I really cared much about.
Second, I had no idea that ANY WEC event ever had over 1.5M viewers.
Yeah and it was still one of the best cards of the year.
WEC is so real.
First off, not surprising. Even I wasn't particularly excited about this one. There were honestly not many fighters on this card that I really cared much about.
Second, I had no idea that ANY WEC event ever had over 1.5M viewers.
I think it had to do with the UFC being on just the night before.In the summer you cant expect people to site at home both nights of a weekend
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