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poopoo333
06-29-2010, 12:02 AM
Rumored card:
- Shinya Aoki vs. Tatsuya Kawajiri
- Gesias "JZ" Cavalcante vs. Katsunori Kikuno
- Alistair Overeem vs. TBA
Light-heavyweight grand prix opening round
- Melvin Manhoef vs. Tatsuya Mizuno
- Gegard Mousasi vs. Jake O'Brien
Another reason of the many to like Strikeforce more than the UFC. They let their fighters fight in other promotions rather than signing your life away with the UFC
Good card would like to see it if these things werent on at 3am
Yeah, the problem with that is it can prove more hassle than it's worth. Case in point: Overeem and the Heavyweight title. two years between title defenses and it left Strikeforce in the lurch. Yes it has been substantiated that he was in fact injured during the time in which he was supposed to be fighting in Strikeforce, but I cannot help but wonder if he would have been injured had he not been competing in K-1 and Dream instead.
Also, imagine what would happen to the belts already limited credibility if Overeem had lost outside Strikeforce. All of a sudden the belt means nothing because the Champion lost outside the organization.
Svino
06-29-2010, 12:34 AM
All of a sudden the belt means nothing
It's a good point, but I don't think that particular belt has meant anything for a while now.
I know that, but you get the point. You can substitute it with the Light Heavyweight, Middleweight, Welterweight, or Lightweight belt for added effect. It's a generous business practice but in the long run thats alot of variables to account for when it comes to your champions.
Svino
06-29-2010, 12:48 AM
It's a generous business practice but in the long run thats alot of variables to account for when it comes to your champions.
True. I kind of see it as: smaller promotions helping each other out so that they can all compete better with the evil UFC empire. The difference between the way Dream, Sengoku, and Strikeforce treat each other and the way the UFC treats rival top promotions is amazing.
Mr. IWS
06-29-2010, 08:32 AM
I thought they cancelled the Ubereem fight?
It's a good point about the belt meaning something. I mean, how much of a champion does Zaromskis look like now after getting knocked out twice in a row in another promotion?
Cardspace is the major reason for copromoting. Dream is just happy to get these guys fights so they'll stfu while dream is off sucking it's own cock.
Same with Strikeforce.
It's a good point about the belt meaning something. I mean, how much of a champion does Zaromskis look like now after getting knocked out twice in a row in another promotion?
that he was overrated to begin with
Alistair Overeem vs. Ricco Rodriguez
LOL, back to can crushing!
LOL, back to can crushing!
Thats former UFC HW champ to you.
Last I seen Ricco he had lost alot of weight and was about 220 pounds. Whether he still is I dont know(that was about 8 months ago)
LOL, back to can crushing!
seconded. Overoids > Riccoroids.
Svino
06-30-2010, 02:51 AM
Alistair Overeem vs. Ricco Rodriguez
Meh. Probably couldn't have hoped for much more from Dream. Considering that Barnett's fighting elsewhere and I doubt they're bringing in Aleks.
Alistair Overeem vs. Ricco Rodriguez
Meh. Probably couldn't have hoped for much more from Dream. Considering that Barnett's fighting elsewhere and I doubt they're bringing in Aleks.
They tried bringing in Aleks but he wouldn't sign for the fight unless Overeem agreed to take a dive ::thumbup::
Mr. IWS
06-30-2010, 08:26 AM
Dam, I like Ricco too. Ubereem via large Traps.
Trainer: Overeem out of DREAM.15
::handshake::
Mr. IWS
07-01-2010, 01:42 PM
Trainer: Overeem out of DREAM.15
::handshake::
Reports surfaced online late Tuesday evening that Alistair Overeem vs. Ricco Rodriguez was all but signed for the DREAM.15 card on July 10.
However, a source close to Overeem told MMA Fighting that the fight isn't close to being official and that there is a "90%" chance that Overeem won't be fighting on the card altogether.
In addition, Overeem's trainer, Martijn de Jong, told The Fight Show's Mauro Ranallo Wednesday afternoon that Overeem is "definitely not" fighting Rodriguez at DREAM.15.
The trainer added that Overeem is currently in Sweden, and his camp will officially decide whether he will fight on the card Friday.
On the flip side, DREAM officials and Rodriguez's camp have informed MMA Fighting that contracts have been sent out and that both camps have verbally agreed to the fight.
There was talk at one time of having Overeem fight Andrei Arlovski, Ikuhisa Minowa or Tim Sylvia at DREAM.15, but those plans all fell through for different reasons. It appears as though matchmaking is one of the major hurdles affecting the Strikeforce heavyweight champion's participation on the card.
Of course, this is Japan, and as we all know by now, things can change on a dime when it comes to DREAM matchmaking.
poopoo333
07-01-2010, 01:59 PM
Overeem is ducking Rodriguez guys.
Wouldn't be surprised. He only fights one top 50 guy every 5 years.
Wouldn't be surprised. He only fights one top 50 guy every 5 years.
::lmao::
Nakamura vs. Amoussou
Omigawa vs. Jung
Ishida vs. Hata
added
First fight for Ishida in almost a year. . .
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/273.png
Svino
07-06-2010, 12:52 PM
Should Kawajiri really be favored over Aoki?
Mr. IWS
07-06-2010, 01:20 PM
I like Mousasi, but dam, I get a little scared with Obrien just holding him down for 3 rounds.
MMA_scientist
07-06-2010, 01:39 PM
.5u on O'Brie @ +305
MMA_scientist
07-06-2010, 01:49 PM
Amassou is probably worth a bet too... but Dream is fixed so I hesitate.
Thewiseman
07-06-2010, 07:21 PM
.5u on O'Brie @ +305
Same bet for me.
sideloaded
07-07-2010, 04:51 PM
What about betting agianst Manhoef he is seriously punch drunk.
His opponent isn't anything special. I wouldn't bet against him here.
sideloaded
07-08-2010, 01:26 AM
Well I took Kikuno for 2u, this is dream so Im only taking underdogs and japenese guys.
Didn't Cavalcante or whatever the fuck his name is just beat the shit out of Antwan Britt like two months ago?
ManBoobKilla
07-08-2010, 03:03 AM
I think that I will lay a bet on Kikuno and I am really heavy on the Crusher! I think that that is a horrible matchup for Aoki. Might lay 5U on him
sideloaded
07-08-2010, 03:32 AM
Didn't Cavalcante or whatever the fuck his name is just beat the shit out of Antwan Britt like two months ago?
Pretty sure its a diff guy, because this a lightweight fight, and that one has LHW.
MMA_scientist
07-08-2010, 09:05 AM
^^ that what Rafael Cavalcante.
This is Gesias Cavalcante aka JZ.
jebus, you guys are some tuf noobs.
^^ that what Rafael Cavalcante.
This is Gesias Cavalcante aka JZ.
jebus, you guys are some tuf noobs.
Seriously, Feijao and JZ are not the same at all.
Mr. IWS
07-08-2010, 01:33 PM
[quote="MMA_scientist":r0rmg0wf]^^ that what Rafael Cavalcante.
This is Gesias Cavalcante aka JZ.
jebus, you guys are some tuf noobs.
Seriously, Feijao and JZ are not the same at all.[/quote:r0rmg0wf]
JZ, he is that black rapper guy right?
JZ, he is that black rapper guy right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8
::thumbup::
[quote="zY|":379ireow][quote="MMA_scientist":379ireow]^^ that what Rafael Cavalcante.
This is Gesias Cavalcante aka JZ.
jebus, you guys are some tuf noobs.
Seriously, Feijao and JZ are not the same at all.[/quote:379ireow]
JZ, he is that black rapper guy right?[/quote:379ireow]
One and the same.
Thewiseman
07-08-2010, 07:09 PM
.5u on obrian, 1u on Kawajiri
.5u to win 1.6u on O Brien. I don't think O Brien has much less trouble taking Mousasi down as King Mo did, given his size advantage.
Obrien is not even On the same planet as Mo in terms of wrestling. Mo was internationally ranked and was extremely close to going to Beijing and likely medalling, while Obrien was going 14-18 one season in the NCAA. On top of that, this is DREAM. Even if Obrien gets takedowns at will, he has no offense from the top and Mousasi will win a decision off his back.
Thewiseman
07-08-2010, 10:29 PM
Obrien is not even On the same planet as Mo in terms of wrestling. Mo was internationally ranked and was extremely close to going to Beijing and likely medalling, while Obrien was going 14-18 one season in the NCAA. On top of that, this is DREAM. Even if Obrien gets takedowns at will, he has no offense from the top and Mousasi will win a decision off his back.
I didnt think about that.
I never said O Brien was anywhere near Mo in wrestling skills, I just don't think Mousasi's takedown defense is great and I doubt it's grown in leaps and bounds since he fought Mo. This is another classic example of the eastern European Kickboxer vs the American Wrestler.
And the Japanese scoring system.
Svino
07-09-2010, 02:00 AM
Even if Obrien gets takedowns at will, he has no offense from the top and Mousasi will win a decision off his back.
Warren did get the nod over Kid Yamamoto. But yeah, Dream judges would have had Mousasi beating Mo, I bet.
ManBoobKilla
07-09-2010, 07:43 PM
anyone know what time dream 15 is on, on the west coast?
anyone know what time dream 15 is on, on the west coast?
midnight I think. Its 3am eastern from what I've heard
I really want to take Kawajiri but I aint staying up till 5am to watch it
Will catch in the morning. Not staying up past midnight to watch anything.
I really want to take Kawajiri but I aint staying up till 5am to watch it
not betting anything .I was going to use my boxing winnings from tonight on this fight but that didnt work out as expected .....
Kawajiri is taking this fight and the title.
sideloaded
07-10-2010, 05:46 AM
Well Manhoef lost as I predicted.
sideloaded
07-10-2010, 07:03 AM
Aoki broke another one. These guys got to learn take down defense.
ManBoobKilla
07-10-2010, 11:27 AM
Fuck Parlays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am done with Parlays from now on!!! I can never win a parlay EVER!! FUCK YOU AOKI!!! and you to Asian guy who beat Manhoef!!!
Really wishing I had jumped on Mousasi and Aoki, but I was scared away considering they both fucked me in their last fights.
Fuck Parlays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am done with Parlays from now on!!! I can never win a parlay EVER!! FUCK YOU AOKI!!! and you to Asian guy who beat Manhoef!!!
It's a good lesson to learn.
My parlay record is atrocious. Definitely way behind overall when it comes to parlays and props.
Round 1: O'Brien immediately shoots in, leaving his head fully exposed. Mousasi briefly falls down, grabs the guillotine that's been waiting for him, stands back up and gets the tap. Pretty sure I saw Mousasi shrug afterward.
Gegard Mousasi (29-3-1) def. Jake O'Brien (13-4) via submission (guillotine choke) R1, 0:31
This is really funny to me. I have got to see this.
Round 1: O'Brien immediately shoots in, leaving his head fully exposed. Mousasi briefly falls down, grabs the guillotine that's been waiting for him, stands back up and gets the tap. Pretty sure I saw Mousasi shrug afterward.
Gegard Mousasi (29-3-1) def. Jake O'Brien (13-4) via submission (guillotine choke) R1, 0:31
This is really funny to me. I have got to see this.
LOL
::lolzorz:: O' Brien
I really thought Aoki was going to get beat
I really thought Aoki was going to get beat
I haven't seen the fight, but the ring is a big factor in Aokis success. Even if he can't get takedowns it's far easier to trap a guy in the corner and pull guard.
I just watched O Brien-Mousasi and damn I knew O' Brien missed weight but it looks like he missed it by 30 pounds
I think it was literally 21 pounds
That O'Brien fight was dreadful.
I think it was literally 21 pounds
You could tell.Just pathetic .
That O'Brien fight was dreadful.
Wow what the hell was he doing?
That guillotine was there the entire time and finally Mousasi was like well fuck it.
Just watched the Aoki fight. Kawajiri was caught in the submission literally 15 seconds into the fight and just never got out of it and finally tapped after almost 2 minutes
That O'Brien fight was dreadful.
Wow what the hell was he doing?
That guillotine was there the entire time and finally Mousasi was like well fuck it.
I don't know WTF Jake O'Brien was even doing but there was no doubt that the fight was Mousasi's.
And now it's Mousasi vs. Mizuno for the title?!?! They might as well give Mousasi the belt and call off the fight. Unless they are going to bribe Mousasi into losing the fight for tons of money. No way Mousasi would accept it.
Yeah I don't even know who Mizuno is.
Yeah I don't even know who Mizuno is.
This is Mizuno. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlqBS0XgLjw
Havis Jr
07-14-2010, 01:17 PM
Supposedly Jake came in on 12 days notice.....
This seems like a fight dream put together as an easy win for mousasi after the king mo fight.
I will not bet JMMA again, way to much shady shit going on.
MMA_scientist
07-14-2010, 01:22 PM
^^ His belly looked ridiculous. He didn't look in shape at all.
I can win a Japanese event... I always pick the guy that is taking a dive. I have always said about 50% of Japanese MMA is fixed. I still maintain that the entire SuperHulk Tourney was a work
Havis Jr
07-14-2010, 01:29 PM
The underground forums have a fighter posting there who had trained with jake and he basically said jake hadn't been training for like 3 months and was working 2 jobs, he took the fight solely for money. Maybe not a dive, but he definitely didn't have his head in the fight and I'm sure the Dream big wigs wanted it that way.
SO many ways to fix fights in JMMA with the arbitrary standups, resets in the middle of the ring, judging criteria like rewarding fighter who is "trying to finish"(whatever that means), and selective matchmaking. ehh im staying away in the future.
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