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Super Bowl Weekend
Lance Pugmire of The Los Angeles Times, one of the few in the media with UFC president Dana White’s direct cell number, is reporting that Chael Sonnen will be granted an immediate rematch against middleweight king Anderson Silva as soon as the Brazilian is good to go.
According to the report, the highly anticipated mulligan will either go down on the UFC’s New Year’s Eve or Super Bowl weekend card.
The Octagon is notorious for hosting spectacular end of the year shows (although some have fallen after the NYC ball has dropped due to timing issues), and 2010 would be no different if the scoop proves true. New Year’s Day coincidentally falls on a Saturday this year, the same day the UFC holds their pay-per-view broadcasts.
Christmas is the Saturday prior, so it’s highly unlikely Octagon brass would dare try and steal Jesus Christ’s thunder … isn’t it?
The rematch would also be a great opening act for Super Bowl XLV, which will be jumping off Sunday, February 5th inside Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.
UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta told Pugmire that Silva’s bruised – NOT BROKEN – ribs will be the determining factor on when the scrap will take place. He added that it’s possible the champ may require a layoff until early February in order to get right, which would be pushing pigskin time.
Prior to their UFC 117 showdown, Sonnen told anyone and everyone that they were going to witness an Anderson Silva they had never seen before. The chatty challenger more than kept his word by dominating the planet’s baddest 185-pounder for 23 minutes and 10 seconds. Unfortunately for the outspoken one, Silva’s prayers were answered when he miraculously slapped on a triangle-armbar submission just moments before the clock struck midnight.
Following their instant classic, it was discovered Silva had injured his ribs just six days before showtime but opted to keep his appointment regardless
That leaves Belfort possibly fighting Leben that I've seen
UFC 125 has been announced for New Years Day in Las Vegas
Mr. IWS
09-02-2010, 08:36 AM
UFC 125 has been announced for New Years Day in Las Vegas
could be kind of cool. Lots of good football on during the day, fights at night.
Belfort is fighting Okami.
Thiago Silva vs. Brandon Vera targeted for UFC 125 in January
http://bit.ly/afC5y6
Silva by Murder ::handshake::
poopoo333
09-07-2010, 10:20 PM
Thiago Silva vs. Brandon Vera targeted for UFC 125 in January
http://bit.ly/afC5y6
Silva by Murder ::handshake::
Wow, this is awesome. I hope it ends up being Vera by murder. I hate Silva's gay little throat slash.
I'll actually take Vera on this one if he's a dog. I say he keeps his distance and wins a decision.
Mr. IWS
09-08-2010, 08:38 AM
Thiago Silva vs. Brandon Vera targeted for UFC 125 in January
http://bit.ly/afC5y6
Silva by Murder ::handshake::
Cool.
I love "loser leaves town" matches.
http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3018.png
Mr. IWS
09-09-2010, 08:34 AM
Ill be on Andy fo sho
Zen Master say, "Only fool bet Silva at -275."
http://www.seoulzen.org/images/zm_seungsahn.jpg
Damn!!! Its down to -230 . Push it just a hair lower and I'll be on Silva also
Damn!!! Its down to -230 . Push it just a hair lower and I'll be on Silva also
I'm hoping Sonnen's going to go back over +200. I'm putting 10 American dollars on him if he does.
Damn!!! Its down to -230 . Push it just a hair lower and I'll be on Silva also
I'm hoping Sonnen (R-Or)'s going to go back over +200. I'm putting 10 American dollars on him if he does.
Its your own fault .I texted you 10 minutes after the line came out .
You snooze you lose
Its your own fault .I texted you 10 minutes after the line came out .
You snooze you lose
Yeah, not sure what happened there. I remember a text coming through last night, but for some reason I didn't check it out. I might have been half-asleep. Or masturbating.
In any case, I didn't see it until this morning and the line had already dropped.
Chris Leben vs. Brian Stann targeted for UFC 125 New Year's Day event
http://bit.ly/csaS88
Jesus.
Chris Leben beats Akiyama and he gets . . . Brian Stann? What the hell kind of matchmaking is that?
If this fight happens I think Leben will knock him the fuck out. Stann doesn't have the grappling skills to top control him, won't sub him, and can't hang on the feet.
I dunno. I think it's a well matched fight.
I dunno. I think it's a well matched fight.
Maybe, but kind of an insult to Leben unless he specifically requested to stay active.
I haven't seen Stann's fight with with Massenzio, but I hear he has gotten better. Nevertheless, I think Leben fucks him up.
An insult to Leben? I think you get too caught up in this kind of stuff sometimes. These two dudes are going to get in a cage and fucking fight, and they're going to get paid for it. Stann is no scrub, remember he came down from 205. Who would you have Leben fight? Yeah the Wanderlei fight is sexier, but the timing is wrong.
What do you mean I get too caught up in this stuff? There's something called a ladder in this sport and you're supposed to climb it. Every time you beat someone, at least theoretically, you're supposed to get a more difficult and more notable opponent, until eventually you reach the champ.
I'm just saying I think that, under these terms, Stann is a step back from Akiyama. With that said, fuck it. I agree that there aren't really any high-level middleweights who are available and I always like seeing Leben fight. I just hope we can get a decent line on this one.
What do you mean I get too caught up in this stuff? There's something called a ladder in this sport and you're supposed to climb it. Every time you beat someone, at least theoretically, you're supposed to get a more difficult and more notable opponent, until eventually you reach the champ.
Tell Couture that
James Toney> Mark Coleman > Brandon Vera
Brian Stann is a motherfucking war hero.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c171/zygote7/Untitled-1-2.jpg
Do you hate America? HUH? DO YA, BOY?
Tell Couture that
James Toney> Mark Coleman > Brandon Vera
Well Couture's different. He's doing his own thing. It's kind of like Lytle. Lytle's on the "Exciting Fights" and "Perennial Gatekeeper" circuits. He's not about climbing ladders and becoming champ.
But I think Leben would genuinely like another crack at Silva.
http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/2770.png
poopoo333
09-22-2010, 09:00 PM
Beat me to it Luke, was just coming in to post it.
Frankie Edgar to defend title against Gray Maynard at UFC 125 on Jan. 1 --
http://fanha.us/7RQ
MMA_scientist
09-29-2010, 04:24 PM
I will be on Belfort if the line holds.
edman5555
09-29-2010, 05:32 PM
If Chael can drop Anderson, Belfort should not be this big an underdog. He has power in his hands.
Belfort confirms likely UFC 127 title fight with champ Silva on Super Bowl weekend
http://bit.ly/brGQDo
Belfort -Silva wont happen at UFC 125 ::thumbdown::
poopoo333
10-02-2010, 05:27 PM
Antonio McKee vs. Jacob Volkmann Planned for UFC 125
Interesting first fight. I'd say they're wanting to bring McKee in with a win.
Shane Carwin Targets January Return at UFC 125
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/5/1732088/shane-carwin-set-to-return-at-ufc-125-on-january-1st
..
poopoo333
10-05-2010, 12:28 PM
Roy Nelson
Cain if he loses @ UFC 121
Kongo when he beats Browne
^^^^ I seen they were saying Pat Barry as a possible
poopoo333
10-05-2010, 12:39 PM
^^^^ I seen they were saying Pat Barry as a possible
I was also thinking maybe Big Nog? But I am guessing they will just go ahead and make Big Nog/Mir.
Pat Barry would get stomped, Carwin would just take him down and pound him out.
poopoo333
10-05-2010, 04:40 PM
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/10/05/u ... -on-jan-1/ (http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/10/05/ufc-eyeing-shane-carwin-vs-roy-nelson-on-jan-1/)
Carwin/Nelson...
MMA_scientist
10-05-2010, 04:43 PM
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/10/05/ufc-eyeing-shane-carwin-vs-roy-nelson-on-jan-1/
Carwin/Nelson...
Roy by cardio tap
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/10/05/ufc-eyeing-shane-carwin-vs-roy-nelson-on-jan-1/
Carwin/Nelson...
Makes sense .
poopoo333
10-06-2010, 09:23 PM
Diaz vs Dong Hyun Kim
Diaz vs Dong Hyun Kim
That will be an interesting fight for sure.
If Guida can beat Diaz just by smothering him, then DHK can certainly do the same.
poopoo333
10-11-2010, 10:53 AM
Guida/Gomi added
poopoo333
10-26-2010, 11:54 AM
Carwin out
Mr. IWS
10-26-2010, 01:12 PM
Carwin out
A back injury will force once-beaten heavyweight contender Shane Carwin to withdraw from his matchup with “The Ultimate Fighter” Season 10 winner Roy Nelson at UFC 125 “Resolution” on Jan. 1 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Carwin made the announcement on Tuesday.
“I am going to pull out of the fight with Roy Nelson,” Carwin wrote on his blog at www.shane-carwin.com (http://www.shane-carwin.com). “As many of you know, I have been having some back pain. I had an MRI yesterday, and I have some damage that may really require surgery. If the doctors do not have to perform surgery, then I will be out 8-12 weeks. If they do have to perform surgery, I do not know how long I will be out of action.”
Based out of the Grudge Training Center in Colorado, Carwin’s last appearance in the Octagon resulted in a second-round submission loss at the hands of former UFC heavyweight king Brock Lesnar at UFC 116 in July. Though not competing in the cage, Carwin has made headlines since that defeat. In August, his name was mentioned by a U.S. attorney as one of 22 professional athletes who had obtained steroids from an Alabama pharmacy. Carwin has never before tested positive for banned substances.
Before losing to Lesnar, Carwin had demolished each of his first 12 opponents. In fact, none of them even survived the first round. Since joining the UFC, Carwin has earned four lightning-quick knockouts, two of which came over divisional mainstay Gabriel Gonzaga and former UFC champion Frank Mir, respectively.
Nelson, a former International Fight League heavyweight champion, finds himself on the rebound following a decision loss to Junior dos Santos in a title-eliminator bout at UFC 117 in August. He holds knockout victories over Carwin’s teammate, Brendan Schaub, and Dutch standout Stefan Struve since joining the promotion. Known for his bulbous belly, Nelson owns more than half of his wins by knockout and carries a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
“I was really looking forward to fighting again, and, obviously, this is a very disappointing turn of events,” Carwin wrote. “My manager said, ‘You can’t fight the best fighters in the world with just heart. It is time to stop limping to the top of the mountain and get healthy so you can climb it on your terms.’ I have been up all night thinking about this decision and what I may be missing by making it.”
Mr. IWS
10-26-2010, 01:12 PM
Mir vs Nelson?
poopoo333
10-26-2010, 02:27 PM
When is Nog going to be healthy again?
Guida/Gomi added
Interesting fight. If Gomi can deal with Guida's wrestling, should be another win for him. I like Guida but I wouldn't mine seeing another KO.
Svino
10-26-2010, 07:16 PM
Guida/Gomi added
Interesting fight. If Gomi can deal with this wrestling, should be another win for him. I like Guida but I wouldn't mine seeing another KO.
Yeah, bad matchup for Guida, I think.
When is Nog going to be healthy again?
Around March I think
Mir vs Nelson?
Thats what I was calling for before the Carwin-Nelson match was made so I hope so
Cro Cop wants to take Carwins place
“I know nothing about it, this is the first I heard of it. But it would be an interesting fight for sure. I think Roy’s style matches very well with mine, we could have a good fight. I didn’t hear anything from the UFC yet, but lets see if they call me.”
poopoo333
10-28-2010, 10:35 AM
Cro Cop wants to take Carwins place
“I know nothing about it, this is the first I heard of it. But it would be an interesting fight for sure. I think Roy’s style matches very well with mine, we could have a good fight. I didn’t hear anything from the UFC yet, but lets see if they call me.”
Meh
Svino
10-28-2010, 10:37 AM
Sounds like a good opportunity for me to lose more money on Cro Cop.
Why the hell does Cro Cop want to keep fighting?
I mean, it's pretty obvious he doesn't want to keep fighting.
Why the hell does Cro Cop want to keep fighting?
I mean, it's pretty obvious he doesn't want to keep fighting.
I'd guess money
Jose Aldo Defends Featherweight Title Against Josh Grispi at UFC 125
http://sbn.to/d14vHD
Grispy, eh? I was thinking Mark Hominick, but that makes sense,too.
I bet Dana and the gang will be PISSED is Aldo loses. Not that he's likely to.
I'm sure the ufc will hedge their bets and roll with it like they always do. Grispi probably isn't winning though.
You think there's any chance Bendo beats Edgar/Maynard?
You think there's any chance Bendo beats Edgar/Maynard?
no and no
He's got a nice guillotine, but other than that, not really.
He's got a nice guillotine, but other than that, not really.
I think he's pretty well rounded overall--his TKO over Shane Roller was really nice--but, like Cain, I'm just not sold. Everytime I bet against him I lose, though.
poopoo333
11-09-2010, 03:51 PM
Daniel Roberts/Greg Soto
He's got a nice guillotine, but other than that, not really.
I think he's pretty well rounded overall--his TKO over Shane Roller was really nice--but, like Cain, I'm just not sold. Everytime I bet against him I lose, though.
Why do you keep bringing Cain up? You're 'not sold' on him, but you're blindly betting on some guy to beat him who has never in his life fought a wrestler of anywhere near the caliber of Cain and was submitted in one minute the last time he was on the ground. Contradictions.
edman5555
11-09-2010, 08:38 PM
Anyone else think Stun Gun has a good chace at beating Nate?
poopoo333
11-09-2010, 10:10 PM
Anyone else think Stun Gun has a good chace at beating Nate?
Yes. A very good chance.
Marcus Davis vs. Jeremy Stephens on tap for UFC 125
http://bit.ly/cdvBkg
poopoo333
11-23-2010, 06:36 PM
Injury forces new UFC champ Jose Aldo to withdraw from UFC 125
Injury forces new UFC champ Jose Aldo to withdraw from UFC 125
Goddamn it!
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According to Heavy.com, freshly minted UFC featherweight king Jose Aldo will be forced to back out of his New Year’s Day date with Josh Grispi. It is believed Aldo is suffering from a compacted vertebrae, which was causing tingling in his arms.
The unfortunate news comes just days after Octagon president Dana White handed the Brazilian his new bedazzled UFC belt. Aldo owns a dominant 18-1 professional record and has posted a perfect 8-0 mark in the WEC en route to capturing the title.
He was last seen putting Manny Gamburyan to sleep at WEC 51.
Grispi dons an impressive 14-1 resume and has ended all but one of his fights before the final horns have sounded. It’s likely his time line to return will coincide with Aldo’s ability to get back in the cage.
The January 1st show takes place inside the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. A lightweight title bout between champion Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard will headline the pay-per-view broadcast.
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poopoo333
11-23-2010, 07:41 PM
Update (From Josh Gross): Revise Aldo's "out" to the fight's in "jeopardy." Aldo just told his management he will fight regardless. I'm not so sure that happens.
poopoo333
12-03-2010, 03:34 PM
http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3185.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
poopoo333
12-06-2010, 12:50 PM
I like Maynard to beat Edgar....thoughts? I think Maynard will be able to do exactly what he did in his first fight. Edgar may have improved since then, but in his fights since then he has been taken down in every one except Franca/Penn 1. Maynard will be able to control/stay on top unlike BJ, Veach, and Sherk imo.
^^^ I'm not betting against Edgar. That's all I'll say. In fact, I already have 1u on him.
MMA_scientist
12-06-2010, 02:19 PM
I think Maynard takes it. I don't see what has changed since they fought last time. Edgar's hands may be improved. Maynard's hands have improved. Maynard hasn't lost since then either (or ever) so I don't know why he wouldn't be favored again.
5 round fight is to Edgar's advantage I'd think.
MMA_scientist
12-06-2010, 03:12 PM
^True, but he still has to win 3 of them. He lost every round last time, and they weren't close.
I think Edgar's wrestling has looked better in his last few fights.
Is Maynard that much better of a wrestler than Sherk? I know Sherk didn't go for a lot of takedowns, but he went for a few and got told to fuck off every time.
MMA_scientist
12-06-2010, 04:25 PM
Wrestling credential-wise, Maynard is better than Sherk. Maynard has taken one every down that he wanted to, but Edgar is the only other D1 wrestler he has faced... Gray gets to decide whether he wants to go down or not, which I have to think is a big advanatge in the fight. He may stand with him for a while... Edgar has not really hurt anyone standing that I can recall.
Mr. IWS
12-06-2010, 04:32 PM
Edgar has not really hurt anyone standing that I can recall.
Nigga hurt my wallet standing 10 rounds with BJ.
Edgar has not really hurt anyone standing that I can recall.
He rocked Veach, which lead to the choke.
edman5555
12-06-2010, 05:17 PM
Does the stance you have to be in to avoid takedowns affect your punching power? I would think it does. The reason I mention it is because Frankie is going to have to be avoiding the better wrestler the whole night. He doesn't normally punch with much power so he should be punching with even less for this fight because(compared to BJ) he has to be real wary of the takedown. Maynard seems to have some decent power standing as well. Not a huge amount though.
I'm not saying that Edgar doesn't have a path to V. He can move around quickly, he might be able to steal some rounds by being more active. If Gray can't take him down I don't see him landing more strikes, so if Gray can't take him down I don't see how Gray can win.
Also, Edgar has been in two 5 round title fights and dealt with the pressure. He might be a better Frankie because of that. This one is hard to call. I bet it goes the distance though. Probably Gray by decision, I haven't seen the first fight though.
If Gray can't get him down then I think Edgar boxes the shit out of his ears and wins a clear decision.
If Gray can't get him down then I think Edgar boxes the shit out of his ears and wins a clear decision.
I dont see whats going to change from their first meeting
poopoo333
12-07-2010, 08:36 PM
2u Kim +105
I tried to get him @+140 but the line would not stop dropping when placing the bet.
poopoo333
12-07-2010, 08:37 PM
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/332.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
Thewiseman
12-07-2010, 08:41 PM
3u on Kim @ +105
Thewiseman
12-07-2010, 08:45 PM
1u on Gomi @+145
I thought that Guida line was way too high and its going up .Am I missing something ?
1.75u on Leben @ -165
1u on Vera @ +120
.5u on Gomi @ +145
I definitely hate that I missed out on the opening line on DHK. If he wanders back into underdog territory I will take him.
MMA_scientist
12-07-2010, 09:14 PM
Seems high to me too. But if you take out the Tyson Griffin win, Gomi has not looked good in a long time. I think Guida will beat him with takedowns and gas tank.
I thought that Guida line was way too high and its going up .Am I missing something ?
I think it's high, but people probably assume he'll just stick to Gomi like glue and win a decision.
MMA_scientist
12-07-2010, 09:15 PM
1.75 on Leben @ -165
1u on Vera @ +120
.5u on Gomi @ +145
I definitely hate that I missed out on the opening line on DHK. If he wanders back into underdog territory I will take him.
Why do think Vera wins?
Seems high to me too. But if you take out the Tyson Griffin win, Gomi has not looked good in a long time. I think Guida will beat him with takedowns and gas tank.
Yeah Guida may just lay on him for 3 rounds . I'll probably just leave it alone
1.75 on Leben @ -165
1u on Vera @ +120
.5u on Gomi @ +145
I definitely hate that I missed out on the opening line on DHK. If he wanders back into underdog territory I will take him.
Why do think Vera wins?
He always does. Just like he always thinks Jardine and Pulver will win. I've told him since he signed up here to never bet on Jardine or Vera and he just keeps doing it
poopoo333
12-07-2010, 09:29 PM
DHK line dropped from +145 to +105 in a little over a minute. At least I still got him at + odds.
Why do think Vera wins?
I do think Vera should probably be favored. I see this as technical striker vs brawler. Provided Silva doesn't land a KO blow (Vera has never been straight KOd and his only TKO losses are to Werdum--arguably an early stoppage--and Jones's elbow from hell), I think Vera should win a decision in much the same way as he did against Krzystof. Also, I give him the wrestling edge. He's a good greco guy after all, and he's never been subbed.
He always does. Just like he always thinks Jardine and Pulver will win. I've told him since he signed up here to never bet on Jardine or Vera and he just keeps doing it
You're so full of shit.
Let's take a look at my three bets that have involved Brandon Vera:
Vera/Krzystof: Took Vera - Win
Vera/Couture: Took Couture - Win
Vera/Jones: Took Jones - Win
Go fuck yourself.
He always does. Just like he always thinks Jardine and Pulver will win. I've told him since he signed up here to never bet on Jardine or Vera and he just keeps doing it
You're so full of shit.
Let's take a look at my three bets that have involved Brandon Vera:
Vera/Krzystof: Took Vera - Win
Vera/Couture: Took Couture - Win
Vera/Jones: Took Jones - Win
Go fuck yourself.
::lmao:: Lol so sensitive
poopoo333
12-07-2010, 09:39 PM
LOL
poopoo333
12-07-2010, 10:04 PM
Kim is now the favorite.
poopoo333
12-07-2010, 11:18 PM
SPX, why Leben? I haven't looked at this fight at all, just wondering.
SPX, why Leben? I haven't looked at this fight at all, just wondering.
I think Leben's biggest hole is his questionable wrestling. But even that part of his game isn't bad. Leben is actually bad ass. He's good all around. Maybe not great. But definitely good.
Stann has obviously improved. I didn't expect him to beat Cantwell, but he did. I didn't expect him to beat Massenzio, but he not only beat him . . . he subbed him. Which I think is impressive.
I don't think Stann will take this one took the ground voluntarily. I think Leben will determine where the fight goes, which means that I'm expecting a striking competition. And under those circumstances I think Leben's experience edge and supernatural power will make the difference.
With that said, I'm nervous about this one. Stann could very well win.
poopoo333
12-07-2010, 11:36 PM
Yeah, all good points. What is kind of keeping me away from this fight is Leben's recent DUI. Who knows where his head is at/how his training is going?
Yeah, all good points. What is kind of keeping me away from this fight is Leben's recent DUI. Who knows where his head is at/how his training is going?
It's true. Who knows. I'm hoping for the best.
Svino
12-08-2010, 02:21 AM
Yeah, all good points. What is kind of keeping me away from this fight is Leben's recent DUI. Who knows where his head is at/how his training is going?
For Leben, isn't a DUI like, an average Friday?
poopoo333
12-14-2010, 03:06 PM
Sat 1/1 1111 Maynard wins by 5 round decision +122
edman5555
12-15-2010, 08:26 PM
SPX, why Leben? I haven't looked at this fight at all, just wondering.
I think Leben's biggest hole is his questionable wrestling. But even that part of his game isn't bad. Leben is actually bad ass. He's good all around. Maybe not great. But definitely good.
Stann has obviously improved. I didn't expect him to beat Cantwell, but he did. I didn't expect him to beat Massenzio, but he not only beat him . . . he subbed him. Which I think is impressive.
I don't think Stann will take this one took the ground voluntarily. I think Leben will determine where the fight goes, which means that I'm expecting a striking competition. And under those circumstances I think Leben's experience edge and supernatural power will make the difference.
With that said, I'm nervous about this one. Stann could very well win.
Lebens wrestling defense was good against Aaron Simpson.
Brian Stann hits hard as fuck. This will be a no bet for Me because it will likely be a slugfest and for once I'm not so sure Leben will get the better of it, Stann is strong as an ox.
Brian Stann hits hard as fuck. This will be a no bet for Me because it will likely be a slugfest and for once I'm not so sure Leben will get the better of it, Stann is strong as an ox.
I highly doubt Stann will knock Leben out. Leben doesn't really get knocked out, sans the Anderson Silva fight. But I guess it could happen.
Also, Stann hasn't really been doing the power thing lately. He's been more trying to be a technique guy. Watch his third fight with Steve Cantwell.
Mr. IWS
12-16-2010, 09:06 AM
I am thinking hard on getting something down on Leben. I always thought Stann was average at best.
Thewiseman
12-17-2010, 12:30 PM
Thoughts on Volkmann/Mckee? Brown/Nunes? Roberts/Soto?
Thewiseman
12-17-2010, 12:32 PM
Currently I have
Edgar/Maynard goes the distance 5.6u to win 2u
Vera 1u @ +135
Gomi 1u @ +145
Kim 3u @ +105
Dr_Ngo
12-17-2010, 12:55 PM
Which fight has the option to bet maynard/edgar goes the distance right now?
MMA_scientist
12-17-2010, 01:20 PM
^ 5dimes has it
Edgar/Maynard goes 5 round distance -300
Fight won't go 5 round distance +220
Edgar wins inside distance +473
Not Edgar inside distance -817
Edgar wins by 5 round decision +195
Not Edgar by 5 round decision -275
Maynard wins inside distance +449
Not Maynard inside distance -745
Maynard wins by 5 round decision +119
Not Maynard by 5 round decision -159
Edgar/Maynard draw +10000
Fight not a draw -30000
Thewiseman
12-18-2010, 08:11 AM
Edgar by decision @ +195 looks tempting. Probably wont bet it though.
Thewiseman
12-18-2010, 10:32 AM
LOL. Edgar/ Maynard a draw. .02u to win 2u. I wont be posting this on the bet tracker.
poopoo333
12-19-2010, 11:16 PM
Any thoughts on Roberts/Soto?
MMA_scientist
12-20-2010, 10:52 AM
Any thoughts on Roberts/Soto?
It is a grappler/grappler fight. They are both wrestler/bjj guys. Soto is a good HS wrestler with brown belt in BJJ. Roberts was an NAIA AA (not that big of a deal) and a purplein the gi, but has won some grappling tourneys and has more accomplishments in grappling than Soto. He also is faster and has better striking IMO. He is training with Cesar Gracie team now, so his submission defense should be up to par (IMO the best grappling mma camp out there- none of those Cesar Gracie guys has EVER been subbed- except Nate, once, fighting out of his league).
Soto's wrestling has gotten better, but he showed in the Riddle fight that he has to be on top to win against anotehr grappler. I think Roberts may put him on his back, but if not, Roberts still has a good chance.
Anyway, I got Roberts in that one via superior wrestling, bjj, and striking.
MMA_scientist
12-20-2010, 12:43 PM
My picks:
Maynard. They fought before, it wasn't that long ago and it wasn't close. Don't see why he doesn't do the same thing again. Fight probably goes the distance.
Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.
Thiago Silva. Silva fights like a wild man, and I just don't think Vera can catch him. Boring fight, won by aggression.
Diaz. Stun Gun has been getting by in very close decisions. I think Diaz stuffs a lot of his takedowns and peppers him, maybe subs him from his back.
Grispi. Probably more competive than people think it will be, but Grispi gets it done by being better everywhere.
McKee. Even though Volkmann is the more credentialed wrestler, McKee is clearly a better wrestler. McKee wins in the usual fashion
Mike Thomas Brown. Close and tough to call, but I will take Brown via having more time on top.
Roberts. See above.
Tavares. By default.
Possible bets: Edgar or Maynard by decision, Guida, Roberts (to -180), McKee (to -250), Diaz.
There wasn't anything really close about Stun Gun's win over Amir.
MMA_scientist
12-20-2010, 02:09 PM
^ true. I guess his fight with Grant wasn't thatclose either... but he hasn't done anything terribly impressive either...
^ true. I guess his fight with Grant wasn't thatclose either... but he hasn't done anything terribly impressive either...
Apparently his nickname is "Stun Gun" because he has a mean left hand. I'm still waiting to see that.
MMA_scientist
12-20-2010, 02:23 PM
I would love to see him beat Diaz, and KOing him be even better. But he seems like top control only guy to me. Then if he can't get top position, he loses. I would like to see him fight a strong wrestler. Karo beat him... but even Karo is not too tough to take down. Grant has no takedown defense, and Amir is getting better in that area, but I don't know how it was then. Diaz is obviously not great in that area either though... but at least he offers the threat of submission. I guess it is a good style matchup for Kim, but Diaz is getting good. Maybe I should just tack "Not Hyung ITD" on to all my bets as a booster.
I thought the Karo fight was too close to call . . . more of a draw really. I could see a case for saying either guy won that fight, although gun to my head I probably would've given it to Karo, too.
poopoo333
12-20-2010, 03:33 PM
Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.
Glad I'm not the only one.
Fuck ya'll and War Leben.
Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.
Glad I'm not the only one.
I also like Stann
Mr. IWS
12-20-2010, 04:01 PM
Fuck ya'll and War Leben.
::thumbup::
edman5555
12-20-2010, 04:54 PM
My picks:
Maynard. They fought before, it wasn't that long ago and it wasn't close. Don't see why he doesn't do the same thing again. Fight probably goes the distance.
Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.
Thiago Silva. Silva fights like a wild man, and I just don't think Vera can catch him. Boring fight, won by aggression.
Diaz. Stun Gun has been getting by in very close decisions. I think Diaz stuffs a lot of his takedowns and peppers him, maybe subs him from his back.
Grispi. Probably more competive than people think it will be, but Grispi gets it done by being better everywhere.
McKee. Even though Volkmann is the more credentialed wrestler, McKee is clearly a better wrestler. McKee wins in the usual fashion
Mike Thomas Brown. Close and tough to call, but I will take Brown via having more time on top.
Roberts. See above.
Tavares. By default.
Possible bets: Edgar or Maynard by decision, Guida, Roberts (to -180), McKee (to -250), Diaz.
I'm pretty much with you on most of those. I was originally on Stun Gun at first but after reading more about him I found what you noticed. He had close fights with Karo and Matt Brown, neither of whom are very good. Nate is also a different Nate at 170 pounds. He might be better suited for that weight class. He is 6 feet tall so he can fill out a little better there. His main weakness is wrestling/takedowns so I can definetly see him losing. He is pretty appealing as a dog though.
McKee lost to Karo Parisyan. I would like to see that tape. That is the one thing that stops me from betting him.
I think Stann can beat Leben also but Leben is always game for mid level guys. They both seem to be improving as well.
I think Guida beats Gomi. Guida has been at Jacksons now and he seems like he is getting good. I wish he was a dog.
I think Daniel Roberts will be Soto. Roberts seems like a beast.
I have to wonder how the weight cut will effect Marcus Davis. He gassed in his last fight at 170, blamed overtraining. Who knows. I can't see him winning this though.
Thiago is a beast. He has way more power standing. I would think he should be able to drop Vera but who knows how Vera will be after having his face smashed in. Maybe he will be all beasty now. I def think Vera can outpoint him standing regardless. He also has good wrestling.
The only bet I know I will be making is Maynard Decision.
MMA_scientist
12-20-2010, 04:58 PM
^ I forgot about Stephens/Davis. I think Stephens wins that pretty handily. Davis got old all of the sudden.
^ I forgot about Stephens/Davis. I think Stephens wins that pretty handily. Davis got old all of the sudden.
I don't think Davis got old so much as he started fighting better competition.
Hardy's pretty damn good, Saunders was too tall, and Diaz looks like he's going to be better at 170 than he is at 155. Somewhere in the middle there he fought Jonathan Goulet, who he TKOd.
edman5555
12-20-2010, 08:37 PM
He gassed in the diaz fight as well. Claimed it was overtraining which could be true. He cuts very easily also. He isn't bad, he has good hands. I think Jeremy's wrestling will be an issue for this fight as well. It should go a way towards wearing out Davis too. Davis's most feasible path to victory IMO is to end the fight in the first or second round. After that he might get worn out from the weight cut and pace of the fight. Stephens can wrestle him and I am sure he will. Why would he want to stand with Davis?
SPX made a good point about the competition getting better, I didn't think of that. All in all I think Davis's problems are as follows (age+weight cut+weight cut for the first time) + Jeremy stephens standup power + Jeremy Stephens wrestling ability.
Anyone disagree?
I think you've got it wrapped up pretty tightly, Edman. No arguments from me. I wonder what the line will be.
poopoo333
12-21-2010, 11:59 PM
Possible bets: Edgar or Maynard by decision, Guida, Roberts (to -180), McKee (to -250), Diaz.
Why Guida? (You didn't give that fight it's own little "bullet")
Svino
12-22-2010, 01:45 AM
I haven't done all my research yet, but I'll probably be on Maynard, Silva, Hyun-Kim, and Gomi.
MMA_scientist
12-22-2010, 09:42 AM
Possible bets: Edgar or Maynard by decision, Guida, Roberts (to -180), McKee (to -250), Diaz.
Why Guida? (You didn't give that fight it's own little "bullet")
Because I think Guida will put him on his back and wail on him. Gomi has been looking like shit for a few years now. He scored a KO over Griffin, who decided to kick box with Gomi for some reason. So now everyone thinks Gomi is back. I don't think he is, I think Guida will rough him up and Gomi will fold.
He is at -155 now, which I think is bettable. I am going to wait though.
poopoo333
12-23-2010, 12:37 AM
http://vimeo.com/18044033
^^Chris Leben Vblog
This was posted 2 days ago, so 12ish days out from the fight. Leben stated he needs to cut about 30 lbs.
Mr. IWS
12-23-2010, 08:47 AM
^^^^^LOL at 30lbs.
edman5555
12-25-2010, 06:09 PM
What if he is making it up.
poopoo333
12-25-2010, 06:46 PM
What if he is making it up.
Then he doesn't really have 30 lbs to cut.
edman5555
12-25-2010, 11:02 PM
Then he doesn't really have 30 lbs to cut.
Scientific.
Mr. IWS
12-26-2010, 09:39 AM
^^^^^^^^^^lol
poopoo333
12-26-2010, 11:58 AM
What is the key to winning your fight against Brian Stann at UFC 125 on New Year's Day?
Getting a lucky punch would be great but he's a good boxer and he's going to come out throwing big shots. He's not so good on the ground, though, so my plan is to capitalise on that and take him into deep water in the later rounds when he's not packing so much power.
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 08:17 PM
The rest of the lines are out. I would post them if I wasn't on my phone. Roberts has a good line imo, hopefully it holds when it opens on bookmaker or 5dimes
MMA_scientist
12-27-2010, 08:58 PM
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/332.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
I think Roberts is good at -115 and I like McKee a lot at -180
If zak didn't kill the forum we could have a discussion about all this.
Mr. IWS
12-27-2010, 09:16 PM
If zak didn't kill the forum we could have a discussion about all this.
Fuck you nigga!
I would have gotten on Leben, but now all this talk about his weight cut is scaring me off. I will be a spectator on this card.
Thewisemann
12-27-2010, 09:31 PM
I had to re-register. this sucks.
Thewisemann
12-27-2010, 09:32 PM
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/332.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
I think Roberts is good at -115 and I like McKee a lot at -180
If zak didn't kill the forum we could have a discussion about all this.
why roberts and Mckee at these odds??
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 09:40 PM
Guida by decison @+235 looks great to me
MMA_scientist
12-27-2010, 09:42 PM
why roberts and Mckee at these odds??
I just think McKee is going to out wrestle Volkmann. But if he had to, I think McKee could outstike him... McKee is good, I think his line is pretty generous to be honest. I don't see how Volkmann can beat him aside from showing some massively improved wrestling. Volkmann actually has a better wrestling pedigree, but McKee has shown stout wrestling, probably the best in that division. Maybe even better than Maynard.
Roberts is more of a gamble, I think that will be a back and forth fight. Roberts is slick on the ground though. He has strong takedowns and subs. Soto is a similar grappler, probably more powerful but not as many outs. Soto may have have tighter fundamentals though... I need to look at Roberts more I think. I may not pull the trigger there. It should be a grappling match though.
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 09:43 PM
1.5u on Stephens @ -135
Dang, you missed Stephens as the dog. I think Davis may come in and grapple. But I am weary of placing a bet on Davis, especially since this will be his 1st cut to 155.
MMA_scientist
12-27-2010, 09:48 PM
Guida by decison @+235 looks great to me
I considered that too... but Gomi's main issue has been that he gasses. He either KO's a fool in round 1 or he gasses. Guida sets a high pace, probably higher than anyone Gomi has faced except maybe Diaz. I think Gomi may be a ragdoll by round 3.
I might do Guida and Gomi by KO/TKO for the arb
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 09:49 PM
1u on Roberts @+110
MMA_scientist
12-27-2010, 09:57 PM
Roberts into + territory is much more appealing. I am going to wait it out though.
MMA_scientist
12-27-2010, 09:58 PM
5u on McKee @ -195... got ot go now, that is dropping fast
I had to re-register. this sucks.
.
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 10:02 PM
You didnt re-register you had to reset your password.
Sorry you had to take 30 seconds out of your busy schedule
lol he re-registered. Notice the extra "n" at the end of his name.
lol he re-registered. Notice the extra "n" at the end of his name.
Then why is his post count and join date the same? If he re-registered his sign up date would be within the last week and his post count would be zero
edman5555
12-27-2010, 10:09 PM
Your really that confident in Mckee Scientist? He did lose to Karo, granted it was back when he was doing well. McKee was also younger at the time.
lol he re-registered. Notice the extra "n" at the end of his name.
Zak must have fixed his stuff.
you have way too much time on your hands if you even knew how many N's were on the end of his name lol
MMA_scientist
12-27-2010, 10:17 PM
Your really that confident in Mckee Scientist? He did lose to Karo, granted it was back when he was doing well. McKee was also younger at the time.
I like McKee a lot here. Volkmann has to outwrestle him to win IMO, which I don't think he can. But then again... maybe Volkmann will outwrestle him. He hasn't really been fighting wrestlers, so maybe he just thinks he is a great wrestler and he sold me on it. Volkmann's MMA wrestling hasn't really been that impressive to me.
McKee beat Delson Heleno, so I know Volkmann won't be threatening him off his back. Prater is a big long guy with pretty good wrestling (and he is a ww).
But if Volkmann stands, I think he gets beat there too. Though they both suck at striking.
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 10:19 PM
you have way too much time on your hands if you even knew how many N's were on the end of his name lol
Well if you came on tomorrow with the username "lukee" I would notice too.
Well if you came on tomorrow with the username "lukee" I would notice too.
You didnt add another 3 to your name did you and I missed it did you?
On a real short name I'd notice but not if its a longer name, obv
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 10:30 PM
You didnt add another 3 to your name did you and I missed it did you?
On a real short name I'd notice but not if its a longer name, obv
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_woU5s2fwbZo/SqkGSx4PgNI/AAAAAAABL4E/LS3mzHY_w6s/s400/calm-down.jpg
^^^^^ lol my last post was a joke . Dont make me make you the first ban of the new forum
poopoo333
12-27-2010, 10:34 PM
^^^^^ lol my last post was a joke . Dont make me make you the first ban of the new forum
How many times are you and SPX going to ban me?
Thewisemann
12-27-2010, 10:34 PM
I did re-register. Been trying to get my password reste for a few days. Spent more like 30 min than 30 sec. Emailed a few times. Its all good though, im on here now.
Thewisemann
12-27-2010, 10:38 PM
1u on Volkmann @ +165.
Thewisemann
12-27-2010, 10:46 PM
The Irish hand grenade .85u to win 1.5u
poopoo333
12-28-2010, 12:13 AM
The Irish hand grenade .85u to win 1.5u
I'm not really disagreeing, but why Davis? Just looking for some input as I am considering a bet on Davis as well. The weight cut, age, and the fact that Davis cuts real easy is holding me back.
Stephens is a bad motherfucker. I think he'll have more power than Davis and he's also not terrible on the ground . . . even though those skills aren't displayed often.
I've often defended Davis at WW but I think Stephens may very well be too much for him. At the current odds, I have to go with Stephens.
Thewisemann
12-28-2010, 01:46 AM
I give Stephens the edge, but im not ready to write Davis off yet. I give him a 40-45% chance, so he has some value. His losses in the last couple years were guys who had reach advantages over him( Saunders, Hardy, and Diaz). Im not even so sure Stephens has the edge. This is gonna be a great fight.
MMA_scientist
12-28-2010, 09:04 AM
Your really that confident in Mckee Scientist? He did lose to Karo, granted it was back when he was doing well. McKee was also younger at the time.
also I think I will get an arb opp out of it after the weigh in
poopoo333
12-28-2010, 10:40 AM
I was considering arbing out of my Kim bet. But I will feel like an idiot if Kim wins.
Thewisemann
12-28-2010, 11:16 AM
Let it ride.
MMA_scientist
12-28-2010, 12:02 PM
Kim by decision @ +145 is solid IMO. He won't finish Diaz.
I think Kim by Decision or Diaz straight up are good bets.
poopoo333
12-28-2010, 07:19 PM
Davis @+215? Volkmann @+205?
I think Davis has value now. I can't really comment on Volkmann because I haven't seen much of Mckee except his more recent fights
MMA_scientist
12-28-2010, 08:13 PM
Davis @+215? Volkmann @+205?
I think Davis has value now. I can't really comment on Volkmann because I haven't seen much of Mckee except his more recent fights
I think I am going to take the arb opp on Volkmann. I dropped 5u on McKee @ -195. So I can lock in a free .25u. I was thinking that some money would come in on McKee after the weigh in after everyone sees how white and flabby Volkmann is compared to McKee...
MMA_scientist
12-28-2010, 08:14 PM
Davis @+215? Volkmann @+205?
I think Davis has value now. I can't really comment on Volkmann because I haven't seen much of Mckee except his more recent fights
I think Davis has value too. He has not been looking good, but to be fair, Diaz and Hardy would probably murder Stephens in much more decisive fashion.
Someone tell me why a 40 year old who's never fought UFC competition is -245 over a decent fighter in Volkmann .
A last-minute deal with Ion TV will see Saturday’s Phil Baroni vs. Brad Tavares, Marcus Davis vs. Jeremy Stephens, and Josh Grispi vs. Dustin Poirier UFC 125 prelims air at 9pm ET on what will technically be the UFC’s network debut.
UFC President Dana White told MMAjunkie (http://mmajunkie.com/news/21864/ion-television-lands-ufc-125-prelims-dana-white-promises-three-fights.mma) the broadcast was meant to pay back fans and hinted the 100-million home channel could become a regular broadcast partner, potentially joining the likes of Spike and Versus.
UFC Prelims, a one-hour broadcast featuring a pair of live undercard fights, debuted on Spike in 2009 and continued through 2010 before UFC pay-per-views, while UFC.com aired UFC 124′s prelims earlier this month. The popular series was expected to continue in 2011, but no details have been announced.
The UFC 125 prelims will also air live in Canada on Sportsnet at 9pm ET
Lol wtf ION?
I had to check my tv just to see if I had the channel, luckily I do
Mr. IWS
12-29-2010, 08:35 AM
Someone tell me why a 40 year old who's never fought UFC competition is -245 over a decent fighter in Volkmann .
Obviously, because he is the baddest Nigga on the planet.
Mr. IWS
12-29-2010, 08:35 AM
Lol wtf ION?
I had to check my tv just to see if I had the channel, luckily I do
I have no fuckin clue where that is. Do they have HD?
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 09:27 AM
Someone tell me why a 40 year old who's never fought UFC competition is -245 over a decent fighter in Volkmann .
Because "UFC level competition" is just a term Dana wants you to believe means something, but actually means nothing except you know someone who can get you into the UFC. New guys come in all the time and do quite well. McKee has been beating guys dominantly, guys that are every bit as good as "UFC competition."
And because it is a wrestler/wrestler matchup, and McKee has shown dominant wrestling, while Volkmann has not. And McKee probably has a striking edge too. He is black, so 40 is like 30 in white guy years.
edman5555
12-29-2010, 10:23 AM
Well he has fought a ufc guy before. Karo parisyan. He lost that fight. It was a long time ago though so I am not sure how relevant it is. Karo has been outwrestled in the ufc hasn't he? I think his line is high because of the hype and media attention that he gets, and he also has a solid record. I think he can win I am just not convinced volkmann can't pull it out. Mckee seems like he wins via wrestling for the most part which obv is vmns strongpoint. One thing worth mentioning is mckee might be the better mma wrestler because he has been relying solely on his wrestling within mma. But he did get beat by karo. Karo might be bigger but vman did compete at 170
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 10:49 AM
Karo used to be kind of a badass... around that same time frame he was about to fight Hughes for the title (he very well could have been UFC champ had he not gotten injured). McKee also fought and beat such UFC level stalwarts as- Edwin Dewees, Jason Black, and Marcus Aurelio.
I am not saying McKee is definitely going to win, there is a chance that Volkmann comes out and outwrestles him. But I take my bets where I know what the struggle is. Here, I know what the issue in this fight is: who is a better mma wrestler. That's the only real issue in this fight. Since I think it is McKee based on what I have seen, I set my own line at -250 before the line opened. When I saw it @ -180, i thought it was a bargain. I ended up dropping 5u @ -195, and I am not going to arb it.
edman5555
12-29-2010, 11:43 AM
Volkmanns standup isn't anything special from what I have seen. I thought about betting Kim also but I don't like betting against Nick. He is pretty good. I may place a bet on Mckee.
poopoo333
12-29-2010, 11:46 AM
I think Davis has a great shot to beat Stephens. If he isn't a zombie at the weigh ins I am going to bet him
edman5555
12-29-2010, 11:52 AM
Do you think he can stop Stephens takedowns?
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 11:52 AM
Volkmanns standup isn't anything special from what I have seen. I thought about betting Kim also but I don't like betting against Nick. He is pretty good. I may place a bet on Mckee.
I have thought a lot about the Kim/Diaz fight. I think it is a really close fight and impossible to envision for me. Kim had some KO's before he came to the UFC... but he has looked mostly like a top control guy in the UFC. Diaz has looked better, but he has been dropped by punches on several occasions. He is going to be the best guard player Kim has ever faced too... just too many variables. I was going to bet Diaz, but now I am either going to bet Kim via decision, or just sit it out. Probably just sit it out.
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 11:56 AM
Do you think he can stop Stephens takedowns?
probably, he is going to be a lot stronger that Stephens. I don't think Stephens is going to be looking for a takedown anyway. He just wants to bang. Davis will probably oblige him for a little while. For once, Davis is not going to be at huge reach disadvantage, so he may look a lot better @ LW. At +195, I have to agree that Davis the clear play.
edman5555
12-29-2010, 11:59 AM
You think he will be much stronger? Stephens has always looked to be pretty strong. Also the weight cut may hurt Davis. I will have to wait until the weigh ins. You can't count on him not shooting for a takedown. He lost his last fight. He needs a win.
You think he will be much stronger? Stephens has always looked to be pretty strong. Also the weight cut may hurt Davis. I will have to wait until the weigh ins. You can't count on him not shooting for a takedown. He lost his last fight. He needs a win.
I also don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Davis will be stronger. Stephens is pretty solid.
As for takedowns, it's not out of the question. I do believe I remember him taking Stout down more than once.
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 12:04 PM
You think he will be much stronger? Stephens has always looked to be pretty strong. Also the weight cut may hurt Davis. I will have to wait until the weigh ins. You can't count on him not shooting for a takedown. He lost his last fight. He needs a win.
I agree Stephens has looked pretty strong, but Davis has been a pretty strong WW... he is pretty thick. But you're right, we don't know how he will look after the cut. I read that he was leaning out some, trying to get a more classic boxer's build back. If Stephens puts him down, he has some flithy gnp...
poopoo333
12-29-2010, 12:13 PM
Do you think he can stop Stephens takedowns?
I think Stephens will stand, and Davis will be the one trying the TDs.
As for takedowns, it's not out of the question. I do believe I remember him taking Stout down more than once.
Just watched the fight, Stephens got the TD in round 1 from catching the kick and was stuffed everytime after that, except a quick TD he got at the end of the 3rd round where Stout got right back up.
edman5555
12-29-2010, 12:15 PM
What would concern me is Stephens taking one of the first two rounds with wrestling then being able to win last round just because he is worn out.
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 12:39 PM
What would concern me is Stephens taking one of the first two rounds with wrestling then being able to win last round just because he is worn out.
Well, any time you are on a 2:1 underdog, the other guy is going to have some outs. Stephens has a ton of outs here, he could win in a variety of ways. So could Davis. But at +195, the value is with Davis IMO
Well, any time you are on a 2:1 underdog, the other guy is going to have some outs. Stephens has a ton of outs here, he could win in a variety of ways. So could Davis. But at +195, the value is with Davis IMO
I agree that the value is in Davis here at this point.
I got Stephens at -135 and while I was a touch hesitant even at that line, I think the value was in Stephens probably up to -150.
I'm pretty surprised the line has moved as much as it has in Stephens' favor, though.
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 01:09 PM
I agree that the value is in Davis here at this point.
I got Stephens at -135 and while I was a touch hesitant even at that line, I think the value was in Stephens probably up to -150.
I'm pretty surprised the line has moved as much as it has in Stephens' favor, though.
Yeah, I slightly favor Stephens, just because Davis has not been looking good. At -150 I can see a case to be made for Stephens. But at 2 to 1 for Davis, that is the only play.
Because "UFC level competition" is just a term Dana wants you to believe means something, but actually means nothing except you know someone who can get you into the UFC. New guys come in all the time and do quite well. McKee has been beating guys dominantly, guys that are every bit as good as "UFC competition."
And because it is a wrestler/wrestler matchup, and McKee has shown dominant wrestling, while Volkmann has not. And McKee probably has a striking edge too. He is black, so 40 is like 30 in white guy years.
You act like Volkmann is a bad fighter or Mckee has actually fought anyone recently thats any good. Mckee might win I just think the line is way to high
I have no fuckin clue where that is. Do they have HD?
I have dishnetwork and its in the mid 200's and its not HD. I had to go through my channels one by one just to see if I had it lol
You act like Volkmann is a bad fighter or Mckee has actually fought anyone recently thats any good. Mckee might win I just think the line is way to high
In all fairness to McKee, he just made a statement against Azevedo, who not only holds a win over Din Thomas but also is the only guy to ever beat Aldo, who he subbed (and Aldo had already had 7 fights up to that point so it's not like he had never been in the ring before).
In all fairness to McKee, he just made a statement against Azevedo, who not only holds a win over Din Thomas but also is the only guy to ever beat Aldo, who he subbed (and Aldo had already had 7 fights up to that point so it's not like he had never been in the ring before).
Thats really stretching it X. Azevedo is 7-6 in the past 4 years against subpar competition not to mention the Aldo and Thomas fights were almost 5 years ago. Alot happens in 5 years
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 04:57 PM
Delson Heleno is very good as well, that was a few years ago, but still. Volkmann's crowning achievement is decisioning Paul Kelly, so let's not get carried away about his competition either.
I like Volkmann, I like how he rocks the chest hair, like he just don't care. I would love to see him beat McKee, who I do not like at all. But I don't think he will. Seems like Volkmann's plan is to tire him out from what I have read... that's usually not a good sign. He is basically conceding that he won't be able to stop the takedown, but saying that McKee won't be able to hold him there, which may be true... but what is Volkmann going to do if he stuffs the takedown? He can't strike very well either, and McKee will probably beat him there too. Volkmann can obviously win, but even at the current line I don't think McKee is a horrible bet.
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dana: "i go out & make this deal, & then fans are like, 'what's an ion?' 'they don't have hd...too f---ing bad. I got it done."
lol
Well what the fuck is an ion? I've got spike, vs, fx, mtv2, fsn. Ion? Nope.
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 09:11 PM
I have Ion... but MTV2 > Ion ?
Well what the fuck is an ion? I've got spike, vs, fx, mtv2, fsn. Ion? Nope.
"Some people are saying, 'I don't have ION.' You can get ION with rabbit ears. It's a broadcast network. Everybody gets it. Everybody gets this channel. Get a pair of the old rabbit ears out, and you'll pick it up. You don't need cable TV to get this
I looked at ION today and the only thing I saw on it was reruns of Ghost Whisperer ,Criminal Minds and Without a Trace .......I've never watched the channel before but thats all I saw on it
MMA_scientist
12-29-2010, 09:16 PM
I have watched it because Bodog used to be on it. That is the only reason I know it exists.
poopoo333
12-29-2010, 09:33 PM
What would you guys think of Leben vs Stann if Leben didn't have that little hot streak in those 2 weeks this year?
poopoo333
12-29-2010, 11:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6cU-JNTzI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGbfWY748EA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWMYsyq1HWIp
poopoo333
12-29-2010, 11:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWMYsyq1HWI
poopoo333
12-29-2010, 11:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPDS9MES6o
poopoo333
12-30-2010, 12:13 AM
Antonio McKee (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Antonio-McKee-515) has his critics, and UFC 125 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-125-Resolution-14530) opponent Jacob Volkmann (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jacob-Volkmann-24765) is one of them.
After watching some tape of McKee use wrestling and top control to outpoint opponents, Volkmann came away unimpressed.
“It was pretty boring,” Volkmann said during an October interview on the Sherdog Radio Network’s “Beatdown” show (http://www.sherdog.com/radio/Beatdown-Volkmann-Fisher-and-Phan-1661). “He just took the guy down, stayed in his guard and he did a little bit of ground-and-pound, and that’s it. He’s a very boring fighter.”
Volkmann meets McKee on Saturday in a preliminary lightweight bout. Although McKee’s style has proven dominant in the cage, Volkmann has the better wrestling resume. He was a three-time All-American at the University of Minnesota; McKee did not wrestle Division I but was a standout at a community college in California.
“He’s a wrestler and I don’t even know if he wrestled in college, did he? So he really doesn’t understand when it actually comes to wrestling that there’s a lot more than just what you learned from high school,” Volkmann said. “There’s finer points in wrestling, finer points on how to defend takedowns, and he doesn’t understand that. And how to shoot: He shoots with his head down. He reaches. It’s going to be actually pretty fun to sprawl on him and take his back.”
Volkmann was quick to state his belief that his wrestling is better than McKee’s. He doesn’t think that will keep McKee from shooting for takedowns, though.
“He shoots no matter what,” Volkmann said. “It doesn’t matter. He’s going to shoot even if he gets out of position. He’s still going for the legs. Even if he’s five feet away, he shoots. I’m assuming it’s going to get to the ground. It’s just a matter of who’s going to end up on top.”
Despite his confidence in his wrestling, Volkmann said he’s also prepared to be on the bottom. He’s been training with Paul Bradley (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Paul-Bradley-19726), a two-time All-American wrestler at Iowa, and does not think McKee can hold him down.
“Paul Bradley’s one of those guys that will take you down and he’ll hold you,” Volkmann said. “So I’ve been working a lot with him, just moving your hips and pushing his head down to your hips and moving. It’s pretty easy to get out. Eventually you’re going to get out. I’m not too worried about his punches, so as long as I’m not worried about his punches, I can get out of there pretty easy.”
While Volkmann may have the more impressive wrestling pedigree, McKee is vastly more experienced in the cage. Volkmann debuted in 2007, roughly eight years after McKee had scored his first win.
Volkmann did get to the Octagon first, though. The fight Saturday will be his fifth in the UFC but just the first for McKee, who had called out the promotion for not signing him despite a strong record. Volkmann was largely unaware of the route McKee has taken to the UFC and questioned why fans would have wanted him to get a shot in the big show.
“First of all, I didn’t even know he had fans,” Volkmann said. “I thought he was a very boring fighter. Whoever watches him probably doesn’t watch anybody else fight.”
poopoo333
12-30-2010, 12:16 AM
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poopoo333
12-30-2010, 12:16 AM
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Thats really stretching it X. Azevedo is 7-6 in the past 4 years against subpar competition not to mention the Aldo and Thomas fights were almost 5 years ago. Alot happens in 5 years
Point taken. I'm not saying McKee will win, but I do think that he will. But there are a lot of question marks here. I actually might throw something small on Volkmann.
Point taken. I'm not saying McKee will win, but I do think that he will. But there are a lot of question marks here. I actually might throw something small on Volkmann.
I expect Mckee to win .I've never once said I thought Volkmann will win ,I said I think the line is too high
MMA_scientist
12-30-2010, 02:24 PM
1.05u on Roberts to win 1
MMA_scientist
12-30-2010, 02:29 PM
arbed out 3u on Mckee for a small profit (.15u).
2u on Mckee to win 1.02
YoungTRK484
12-30-2010, 09:12 PM
Just watched the countdown show on Versus. Starting to get into this card now. Love the football by day, fights by night Saturday 1/1 lineup looking at me. Going to bet the Diaz/Dong fight, Frankie/Gray and probably throw something on Leben too. Might throw a lil something extra in there, depending how I do on the Rose Bowl, but going to try and throw a total of 2 units on the fights.
poopoo333
12-30-2010, 09:56 PM
arbed out 3u on Mckee for a small profit (.15u).
2u on Mckee to win 1.02
Are you done with the magic prop parlays? I wanted to try one at this event, but there is nothing that sticks out to me at all on this card to make one of them have value.
MMA_scientist
12-30-2010, 10:13 PM
^^ no I am not done with it. I was waiting for the rest of the props to come out. I am not going to do it every time... I think I might add 1 or 2 on to my bets as "boosters". Instead of just Mckee @ -195 for 2u, I might do something like 2u on Mckee/Not Kim by submission just to add a few bucks to each play. I wa
But if I do a parlay this time, these are the plays that stick out:
Not Maynard by sub/not Kim by sub/not silva by submission/overeem -- that would get your Overeem bet from -490 all the way down to -255 with not much risk... but then again you would be pissed if Overeem wins and Silva submits Vera. Edgar is not going to submit Maynard either, and the odds are better there (but Edgar has been working hard on his jj so I don't know).
I might even do that... but I am a little worried about Overeem getting clipped tbh.
Thewisemann
12-30-2010, 10:16 PM
Overeem is gonna get clipped. He is not worth the odds IMO. He is the superior striker, but he has been KO'd too many times to bet him with these odds vs a powerful, athletic guy like Duffee.
MMA_scientist
12-30-2010, 10:29 PM
My concern is that reem is used to having a massive physical advantage. Even though he has beaten powerful strikers in MMA recently (Hunt, CC, Rogers)... he is sort able to bully those guys around. Even in K! he was getting hit a lot, but he was just so much bigger and more powerful that it didn't matter. I am afraid Duffee is going to out-heart him.
That said, as much as Overeem has been KO'd... he never got KO'd by a wrestler with tits and love handles.
Overeem will probably hurt Duffee bad, but I can't see how it's worth the -500 or whatever. When Overeem gets hurt he gets finished.
MMA_scientist
12-30-2010, 10:44 PM
poopoo... also "not Gomi in rd 3"
not gomi in rd 3/not kim by sub/not edgar my sub/not silva by sub
That's probably what I will do
edman5555
12-30-2010, 10:44 PM
I think you give Duffee way too much credit. He is a big jacked dude that works at dairy queen. Overeem won the K1 WORLD GRAND PRIX.
MMA_scientist
12-30-2010, 10:46 PM
Overeem will probably hurt Duffee bad, but I can't see how it's worth the -500 or whatever. When Overeem gets hurt he gets finished.
agreed Overeem will win and probably easily. But with the KO chance (and it is extrapolated here because Duffee has a lot of KOs and Overeem has been KOd a lot) it just isn't worth it for me. If I am going to pay -500, the other guy has to have virtually no chance. I mean, Toney was only -600 to Couture.
poopoo333
12-30-2010, 10:48 PM
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poopoo333
12-30-2010, 10:49 PM
poopoo... also "not Gomi in rd 3"
not gomi in rd 3/not kim by sub/not edgar my sub/not silva by sub
That's probably what I will do
I was literally just looking at the props on 5dimes and thought "not Gomi in round 3" would be a great prop for one of those parlays. Weird.
MMA_scientist
12-30-2010, 10:51 PM
I think you give Duffee way too much credit. He is a big jacked dude that works at dairy queen. Overeem won the K1 WORLD GRAND PRIX.
True, but in MMA, Overeem has been KOd 6 times. And Dufee hits hard enough. Overeem is going to be more skilled, and he will win... but heavyweights swinging makes me nervous.
I liked it in the -300s but not @ -500
True, but in MMA, Overeem has been KOd 6 times.
That's true, but he hasn't been KOd in MMA since 2007.
edman5555
12-30-2010, 11:24 PM
I heard once Overerem used to gas when he was younger. I don't know how much credit i can give that and i am sure you can't write off all his ko's to that. BUT, i dont think all his ko's were from stand up fighting which is about all I think Duffee can offer. On top of that, Overem has been dedicating himself to K1 comp since then and he is now much much larger. He doesn't seem as skilled as other guys in K1 to me when he fights, but he makes up for that in size. Duffee has a lot of ko's, but it is mostly against rinky dink fighters. He went 3 rounds with a pudgy wrestler(russow) before getting knocked out. He is not that good. He is just a big beast guy that can slug. That is the exact type of guy Overeem should eat up. The prototype Overeem Cannon Fodder. No wrestling, no sub. Just a slugger. I am going to bet like 20u on this.
Thewisemann
12-30-2010, 11:24 PM
All those added muscles doesnt improve his chin. If Duffee lands, good chance its over. Reem should KO Duffee, but Duffee has value past @+300 and above.
I dont bet anything over -350 unless I think its a virtual lock.
Someone please explain to me why Maynard isnt a great bet ? I've watched the first fight over and over again and just dont see how Edgar wins.
Maynard is still bigger and stronger than Edgar and should be able to still take him down over and over,he's still the better wrestler and he's still very good at boxing . Not to mention in the first fight it was Edgar not Maynard gassing in the 3rd round .
Someone give me the other side of the arguement
poopoo333
12-30-2010, 11:35 PM
^^I can't. I think Edgar's style just matches up well with BJ's and I don't buy the whole "BJ was unmotivated" crap either. Edgar was tossed around by Veach who is also another bigger wrestler. I don't remember Edgar vs Griffin but I am sure he was put on his back in that fight as well. I am actually going to go watch that fight right now. Also, Edgar was taken down by BJ on BJ's first try in their 2nd fight. Edgar got back up, but Maynard and BJ are not the same guy when it comes to top control. I don't even think Maynard is at a significant disadvantage on the feet (if any disadvantage).
That's true, but he hasn't been KOd in MMA since 2007.
Fighters he's fought since 2007.
Buentello
Lee Tae-Hyun
Mark Hunt
Cro Cop
Gary Goodridge
Tony Sylvester
James Thompson
Fujita
Bart Rivers
Other than Brent Rutgers, you won't find a guy in the top20 he's fought.
edman5555
12-31-2010, 12:04 AM
todd duffee isnt in the top 20 and is bad stylistic matchup
I guess I'm the only one, but I think Edgar has improved significantly since his first fight with Maynard. Can't fighters change?
Maybe ya'll are right and both fights will look the same . . . but I think it's a bit of a fallacy to look at the first fight and make all your decisions on it. You have to look at everything.
edman5555
12-31-2010, 08:52 AM
Yeah I am with you on Edgar. I don't know who wins this though I lean towards Maynard.
On a seperate note, I have a question.
How hard is it to win the FILA World Grappling Championships? I am only curious because Volkmann did it. Is it a big deal?
Yeah I am with you on Edgar. I don't know who wins this though I lean towards Maynard.
All you have to do is look at Edgar/Penn I and II to know that rematches don't always look the same. I personally actually scored the first fight for BJ. Edgar clearly won the second.
There are plenty of fights where the first fight and the rematch went down very differently.
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