Bellator 27

[edman5555]

Joe Warren -120 vs Joe Soto -110.

Anyone else think Joe Warren takes this?

[poopoo333]

He will probably win. But 5 rounds is along time for Warren to avoid getting caught with something. All of his fights he gets in some sort of trouble.

[zY|]

No bet

[MMA_scientist]

I am going to look at Soto... I actually haven't seen too much of him.

[doublearmbar]

1.5u on Soto at even odds. He has the wrestling to frustrate Warren, his cardio is on par with Warren and he is a more complete fighter on the feet and on the ground.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Warren wins it in the usual fashion. Not going to bet it though. We have seen Warren against dynamic fighters- he has already beaten guys that are better than Soto. Soto's best win is against Reis. We have never seen Soto against a better wrestler. I do think Reis would beat Warren though.

[edman5555]

I hope I am getting an unbiased analysis from you. I respect your opinion on this, your the resident grappling expert. Your not just saying this because you hate Joe Warren are you? Wilson Reis Couldnt take Soto down, if I remember that fight correctly. He kept trying for the entire fight and failed, kinda gassing during it. Why couldn't Warren beat him. I'd bet he could take him down. Unless Reis could submit him off his back I doubt Warren would have much of a problem with him.

I'm leaning towards a bet on Warren here. He has been fighting good comp from the beginning. His first fight was against a guy that was 12-4 and a WEC vet. He won.

Then he fights a 17-2 guy..Then he loses to Bibiano Fernandez and takes a fight with an 18-2 guy. Next guy is 13-2.

Then he fights the pitbull. That guy almost killed him in the first round. I would say Pitbull did the most damage in that fight but I can see why the judges gave it to Joe.

Do you think Joe's wrestling will hold up against Warren?

Joe doesn't seem like he has big Ko power. I looked up the guys he KO'd. Ben Greer had a winning record and had been ko'd twice before. The other two guys were straight up cans. He beat Diego Savaria by cut stoppage. Joe took a beating from Pitbull and kept on fighting, he seems pretty tough.

Joe soto seems like he is a mid level juco wrestler with some other skills. He can strike a little and submit..am I correct about this?


Joe was all american in freestyle and a world champ in greco and a tough, durable guy.

It seems to me like he should be the favorite.

Someone please tell me their thoughts.

I just lost on ufc 118. I don't want to just bet ufc and strikeforce because there is so much money to be made on these other smaller promotions.

[SPX]

Then he fights a 17-2 guy.. .

Kid Yamamoto. His name . . . is Kid Yamamoto.

Not 17-2 guy. Not Mr. 17-2. Not a 17-2 guy.

Kid Yamamoto.

[edman5555]

Whatever. That Kid with the 17-2 record. Yamahoto-moto-whatever.

[SPX]

Whatever. That Kid with the 17-2 record. Yamahoto-moto-whatever.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/553/kidlatest0rl.jpg

[MMA_scientist]

Edman,

I think Wilson would beat Warren by repeated sweeps or submission, as his defense is not very good. He got caught by a bunch of guys that are not great grapplers, Reis is a very good grappler. Reis could not take Soto down, so he lost. But Reis is a better striker than Warren IMO... so Joe would have to take him down, where I do not think he would be able to control him. Pitbull would have beaten Warren if he didn't blow his wad trying to finish, IMO. Actually, I think Pitbull won round 1 10-8... so I scored it a draw. Warren may be able to beat Reis, but I doubt he would be able to control him on the mat... I think it would look like Shad Lierley, only more competitive. Reis would get taken down, and then Warren would regret it. Reis is the best bjj guy he would have faced, except Bibiano... these guys are very hard to just hold down.

I think Soto is going be getting taken down by Warren. The only issue is if Warren can contain him on the mat. I looked at a lot of Soto's fights... but he hasn't fought alot of grapplers. So it is really hard to say what he will do from bottom. Even though Soto was a decent wrestler, there is a universe of difference between him and Warren. I will be pretty schocked if he can stuff Warren. He might be able to get up though and create enough to do some damage on his feet.

Soto has shown some nice submission skills, even hitting the vaunted gogoplata once. But Warren thus far has been able to avoid subs. My guess is that Soto is going to be trying to scramble back to his feet, not play guard. I think Warren will just keep taking him down.

That said, I don't know that I am going to bet it. I might change my mind, but as of now, I think it is a very close fight, but I do think Warren will be able to get the takedowns.

Kid Yamamoto was like the Jose Aldo of that weightclass for years... he is/was a badass. I win over Kid is huge... and unfathomnable for a guy with 2 fights.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Soto was a pretty good Juco guy... but Warren is literally the very best wrestler in all of MMA. He and Mo are the only world champions that I can think of. He is miles ahead of Soto in pure wrestling. He should have a significant takedown edge. OF course, Pitbull did take him down and stuff him several times... so who knows.

[doublearmbar]

Warren would win a wrestling match no doubt.

[edman5555]

where does world champion compare to olympic champion? Can you really say consistenly?

[doublearmbar]

Who just doesn't like Joe Warren's shitty attitude?

[MMA_scientist]

where does world champion compare to olympic champion? Can you really say consistenly?

I really think it is about the same, skill wise. But you have to put olympic champion above FILA world champion, just because of the stakes... Also half of the battle is making the olympic team. Cael Sanderson lost an olympic trials match in the U.S. and barely won a best of 3... he came about 1 point from not even making the team. Then he won Gold. Warren would have been the favorite to win Gold in 2008 had he not shit on America.

[SPX]

Warren would have been the favorite to win Gold in 2008 had he not shit on America.

What's this all about?

[MMA_scientist]

Who just doesn't like Joe Warren's shitty attitude?

I can live with his attitude... but when you merge his shitty attitude with his no-attempt-to-finish fighting style, I find it pretty unbearable. He is also a pretty massive douche IRL, btw.

[MMA_scientist]

Warren would have been the favorite to win Gold in 2008 had he not shit on America.

What's this all about?

he got banned from the 2008 olympics for weed.

[SPX]

he got banned from the 2008 olympics for weed.

Oh.

I was hoping he was being a legitimately unpatriotic douche.

[MMA_scientist]

he got banned from the 2008 olympics for weed.

Oh.

I was hoping he was being a legitimately unpatriotic douche.


Nah, he is really patriotric. Like overboard.

[SPX]

Nah, he is really patriotric. Like overboard.

War America

[poopoo333]

1.15u on Warren @-115

[MMA_scientist]

I might have talked myself into it. I am going to see what the line does though. I suspect Warren is going to become more of a favorite. Is it 5 rounds? Because Warren can't finish to save his life

[MMA_scientist]

War America
Indeed.

[doublearmbar]

I might have talked myself into it. I am going to see what the line does though. I suspect Warren is going to become more of a favorite. Is it 5 rounds? Because Warren can't finish to save his life
Its a 5 round fight. I like Soto to finish late with a RNC.

[MMA_scientist]

A longer fight certainly gives Soto more chances to finish, because Warren probably won't be finishing.

BUt I think Soto's best strategy will be to try to get up from the takedowns... you see guys fade in late rounds with that. Usually by round 3 they give up and are content to play guard.

I don't know. Hard fight to call for me.

[doublearmbar]

Don't you see Soto sweeping Warren late in the 4th and 5th round and taking his back?

[zY|]

I think Warren has straight up LOST his last 2 fights. No bullshit.

That said, the judges just love to slobber on his cock for some reason. Now that I think about it he may be worth a bet at close to even money. The 5 round fight is my only hesitation. Is he going to fade? Will it matter? The guy is sloppy enough when he's fresh and has almost been subbed by literally everyone he's ever fought.

[doublearmbar]

I really feel that Soto is going to be something in his career, whereas I think Warren has pretty much topped out to what he's ever going to achieve.

[zY|]

I really feel that Soto is going to be something in his career, whereas I think Warren has pretty much topped out to what he's ever going to achieve.

Possible. We definitely haven't seen anything from Warren in the way of improvement. He still begs people to armbar him like Bibiano did.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Soto is a better fighter for sure. But Warren might have the style to beat him.

I don't see Soto sweeping him. Soto has shown some nifty guard work, but I seriously doubt he can compromise Warren's base. I think it is more likely he subs him.

[Luke]

Fight lines added


http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/314.png

[poopoo333]

War Ulysses!

[poopoo333]

Just looking at the records, level of competition, etc, I think Ed West should win

[MMA_scientist]

Ulysses knocked out Fernando Vargas in a bar brawl, fyi: http://www.nhbgear.com/forum/index.php? ... 167.0;wap2 (http://www.nhbgear.com/forum/index.php?topic=73167.0;wap2)

[MMA_scientist]

Just looking at the records, level of competition, etc, I think Ed West should win

Goldsby already screwed me once by somehow beating Jeff Curran. No way I am betting against him now.

[MMA_scientist]

Luke, Useless/Vargas never happened. Just a troll attempt... you can go back to worshipping your secret midnight lover- boxing.

http://www.gladiatorchallenge.com/news.asp?ID=171

It is funny though, there are about 20 different sites that report it as legit... its even on yahoo http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world- ... 62210.html (http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/gomez-gives-usa-fighting-spirit--fbintl_ro-gomezbrothers062210.html)

[Havis Jr]

nm.

[Luke]

Luke, Useless/Vargas never happened. Just a troll attempt... you can go back to worshipping your secret midnight lover- boxing.

http://www.gladiatorchallenge.com/news.asp?ID=171

It is funny though, there are about 20 different sites that report it as legit... its even on yahoo http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world- ... 62210.html (http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/gomez-gives-usa-fighting-spirit--fbintl_ro-gomezbrothers062210.html)


Did it or didnt it happen? 20 sites reporting it did happen is a lot . I read up on everything about boxing and you'd think I'd hear something like that but who knows

[MMA_scientist]

Every site reports that it did happen, with multiple accounts. But Useless says in that interview link that it never happened.

[Luke]

Every site reports that it did happen, with multiple accounts. But Useless says in that interview link that it never happened.


Maybe he doesnt want to make a big deal of it /doesnt want to get in trouble or whatever.

If that many people/sites are reporting it I'd guess it really happened

[SPX]

Maybe he doesnt want to make a big deal of it /doesnt want to get in trouble or whatever.

If that many people/sites are reporting it I'd guess it really happened

Could be, but a lot of times one site will report news and everyone else will run with it.

Remember . . . Kimo's dead.

[zY|]

Maybe he doesnt want to make a big deal of it /doesnt want to get in trouble or whatever.

If that many people/sites are reporting it I'd guess it really happened

Could be, but a lot of times one site will report news and everyone else will run with it.

Remember . . . Kimo's dead.

Dude, he IS dead.

[Luke]

Remember . . . Kimo's dead.

Most legit sites werent reporting that .

[SPX]

Most legit sites werent reporting that .

Legit like who?

I remember EVERYONE was reporting that.

[zY|]

Most legit sites werent reporting that .

Legit like who?

I remember EVERYONE was reporting that.

Junkie, Sherdog, Weekly.

Ya know, the sites who actually do research before posting nonsense.

[SPX]

Junkie, Sherdog, Weekly.

Ya know, the sites who actually do research before posting nonsense.

Seems I remember at least one of them saying something about it, but who knows.

I just remember that shit was everywhere.

Kimo was fucking DEAD. Everyone knew it.

Then he wasn't.

[Luke]

ESPN reported immediately he wasnt dead

[Mr. IWS]

ESPN reported immediately he wasnt dead

Who Ulysses?

[Luke]

ESPN reported immediately he wasnt dead

Who Ulysses?


No Jardine after his last fight

[SPX]

ESPN reported immediately he wasnt dead

I don't pay attention to ESPN.

[zY|]

ESPN reported immediately he wasnt dead

Immediately like 5 hours later.

[Luke]

ESPN reported immediately he wasnt dead

Immediately like 5 hours later.


Well considering everyone else was still saying he was still dead I consider that pretty fast .

[SPX]

Well considering everyone else was still saying he was still dead I consider that pretty fast .

Interesting and relevant:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... itter-hoax (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100831/sp_yblog_upshot/washington-post-suspends-columnist-for-twitter-hoax)

[Luke]

Well considering everyone else was still saying he was still dead I consider that pretty fast .

Interesting and relevant:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20 ... itter-hoax (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100831/sp_yblog_upshot/washington-post-suspends-columnist-for-twitter-hoax)


Hardly anyone checks sources anymore .The douchebags just want to be on fo the first ones to break a story whether its a legit story or not

ESPN just did it a month ago reporting Favre retired

[SPX]

Hardly anyone checks sources anymore .The douchebags just want to be on fo the first ones to break a story whether its a legit story or not

ESPN just did it a month ago reporting Favre retired

Journalism has some issues, just like it always has. A lot of times there's a gap between the way things are and the way things should be . . . between the reality and the ideal.

Still, I think the journalist in this case was working off something of a falacy. When a publication like the Washington Post, New York Times, etc. breaks a story, they are themselves considered a legitimate source and are assumed to have done the necessary fact-checking. So it's not a surprise that others followed and I'm not sure they were wrong to do so.

[Havis Jr]

1.5u on Gomez.

[MMA_scientist]

1.5u on Gomez.

Anything you want to share?

I am worried about the size difference and therefore the takedown.

[Havis Jr]

Gomez is a strong up and comer, he has fought at lower weights but says he strugles to make weight at 125. http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Sherdo ... omez-26134 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Sherdog-Prospect-Watch-Ulysses-Gomez-26134)

I still like his chances of getting the fight to the ground. Gomez has been training with very good wrestlers at kobra kai, and has high school wrestling background. http://www.mmaspot.net/index.php/redbla ... ses_gomez/ (http://www.mmaspot.net/index.php/redblack/comments/39100819_on_the_spot_ulysses_gomez/)

Reddinger tall (5'10) for 135 so maybe he could out point on the feet, but being tall will make him an easier target for the TD.

[poopoo333]

Gomez posts in the bodybuilding.com mma section forum and he was cutting from a pretty high weight. He is usually like 160 IIRC.

[Mr. IWS]

Gomez posts in the bodybuilding.com mma section forum and he was cutting from a pretty high weight. He is usually like 160 IIRC.

You post over there? I read the misc all the time. Shit is teh lulz

[poopoo333]

Gomez posts in the bodybuilding.com mma section forum and he was cutting from a pretty high weight. He is usually like 160 IIRC.

You post over there? I read the misc all the time. Shit is teh lulz

Yeah, I am usually in the powerlifting/strongman/mma section. Actually that's basically the only place I post. I have a training log in that section as well. And the misc can be funny sometimes, but some of them are fucking retarded.

[MMA_scientist]

Reddinger has fought some CANS. of his last 5 wins, 2 guys are 0-3 and one guy is 0-15, on guy is 0-5, and one guy is 1-1. That's right... 15 losses, no wins. Dude, quit. Then he beat a guy that is 3-32.

True fact: Reddinger has fought 16 times. 13 guys have losing records. He is 1-2 against +.500 comp.

Here is the problem though... Gomez is just as bad. He just went to a 5 round decision with a 2-3 guy. He has only fought 2 guys with .500 records and went 1-1.

I can't base anything off of this... But at least Gomez has won some grappling competitions, so we at least know he can grapple a little bit.

I favor Gomez on credentials, but Reddinger is going to be about 5 inches taller... so should have the striking edge

No bet.

1.25u on Warren @ -125

[SPX]

Reddinger has fought some CANS. of his last 5 wins, 2 guys are 0-3 and one guy is 0-15, on guy is 0-5, and one guy is 1-1. That's right... 15 losses, no wins. Dude, quit. Then he beat a guy that is 3-32.


You know, I've always wondered why guys like this keep going. I would be discouraged as a motherfucker by the time I was 0-3.

Do they just need the money? Do they just like to fight? Or do they feel that eventually their day will come and things are going to click for them?

[MMA_scientist]

You know, I've always wondered why guys like this keep going. I would be discouraged as a motherfucker by the time I was 0-3.

Do they just need the money? Do they just like to fight? Or do they feel that eventually their day will come and things are going to click for them?

I know a guy that used to train, but now he just shows up to fight for like $200. He doesn't train at all, and he loses every time. He does it for the $200. He even gets drunk first sometimes. Some of these small orgs will literally let anyone in the ring.

[Mr. IWS]

Reddinger has fought some CANS. of his last 5 wins, 2 guys are 0-3 and one guy is 0-15, on guy is 0-5, and one guy is 1-1. That's right... 15 losses, no wins. Dude, quit. Then he beat a guy that is 3-32.



Holy shit, that is a fuckin Bum Hunter right there.

[MMA_scientist]

Do they just need the money? Do they just like to fight? Or do they feel that eventually their day will come and things are going to click for them?

I realized a few years back that it is pointless to question teh motives of most people... they don't think about it, they just do shit. When I first got out of school I did a lot of criminal defense work... I had tons of horrible cases, even a couple murders. I used to think that criminals would sit around and think of how they were going to do things... but the bottom line is that most of them are just really really damn stupid. And also usually high. Ask someone why they did something, they don't know... they never know. I have to think it is teh same way with most other assinine behavior. These guys just keep doing it because... they don't know, they just do it.

[MMA_scientist]

Holy shit, that is a fuckin Bum Hunter right there.

yeah, you have to seek out fights like that... Reddinger is 14-2, what the fuck is he doing fighting 0-3 guys?

[SPX]

I realized a few years back that it is pointless to question teh motives of most people... they don't think about it, they just do shit. When I first got out of school I did a lot of criminal defense work... I had tons of horrible cases, even a couple murders. I used to think that criminals would sit around and think of how they were going to do things... but the bottom line is that most of them are just really really damn stupid. And also usually high. Ask someone why they did something, they don't know... they never know. I have to think it is teh same way with most other assinine behavior. These guys just keep doing it because... they don't know, they just do it.

Interesting. Did you ever have any moral issues with defending dudes that you KNEW were guilty?

I imagine that something like cage fighting probably attracts a lot of crazy motherfuckers anyway. Granted, it attracts all types, but you know there's a segment that's particularly crazy and/or dumb.

[MMA_scientist]

Interesting. Did you ever have any moral issues with defending dudes that you KNEW were guilty?

I imagine that something like cage fighting probably attracts a lot of crazy motherfuckers anyway. Granted, it attracts all types, but you know there's a segment that's particularly crazy and/or dumb.


Nah, they are all more or less guilty of more or less what they are charged with... You don't get a lot of straight up innocent defendants. I had a couple that I think got hosed... but usually they are all guilty. The issue is over-charging. The prosecutor wants to be "tough on crime" (you get a lot of db's that want to be prosecutors). So A lot if guys charged with dealing when it was really just possession... the drug laws are fuckin draconian (this from a guy that has never so much as taken too many aspirin). You give your buddy one of your vicodin for his headache, you are charged the same way as a guy selling on the street corner. So it was a lot of "technicalities"... The murderers I had, they both got caught red handed, so it was just trying to get them out of the death penalty. I had several disgusting child molesting cases, thank god I was able to plead all of them out.

But for the most part, my job was about making sure the State didn't overstep its authority and turn us into Cuba. If that means a few guys get to run free for dealing meth, I can live with that.

Crazies... yeah, about once a month a craxy guy wanders into my gym, and we are not even an MMA gym, we are straight up bjj (though we have a lot of fighters).

[zY|]

1.25u on Warren @ -125

I'm with you on that now. I'm taking the homosexual midget wrestler dickhead to win another undeserved decision at -130.

[doublearmbar]

I guess I'm riding alone with Soto.....

[edman5555]

Interesting. Did you ever have any moral issues with defending dudes that you KNEW were guilty?

I imagine that something like cage fighting probably attracts a lot of crazy motherfuckers anyway. Granted, it attracts all types, but you know there's a segment that's particularly crazy and/or dumb.


Nah, they are all more or less guilty of more or less what they are charged with... You don't get a lot of straight up innocent defendants. I had a couple that I think got hosed... but usually they are all guilty. The issue is over-charging. The prosecutor wants to be "tough on crime" (you get a lot of db's that want to be prosecutors). So A lot if guys charged with dealing when it was really just possession... the drug laws are fuckin draconian (this from a guy that has never so much as taken too many aspirin). You give your buddy one of your vicodin for his headache, you are charged the same way as a guy selling on the street corner. So it was a lot of "technicalities"... The murderers I had, they both got caught red handed, so it was just trying to get them out of the death penalty. I had several disgusting child molesting cases, thank god I was able to plead all of them out.

But for the most part, my job was about making sure the State didn't overstep its authority and turn us into Cuba. If that means a few guys get to run free for dealing meth, I can live with that.

Crazies... yeah, about once a month a craxy guy wanders into my gym, and we are not even an MMA gym, we are straight up bjj (though we have a lot of fighters).


lawyer?

[Luke]

lawyer?


Yes he's a lawyer

[SPX]

Yes he's a lawyer

a "greasy fucking" lawyer, according to zY.

[MMA_scientist]

Yes he's a lawyer

a "greasy fucking" lawyer, according to zY.

is there another kind?




danger. Grave danger?...

[MMA_scientist]

I guess I'm riding alone with Soto.....

That is usually a good sign around here. Anytime we all agree on a fight, we lose... we like to refer to that as being Marquarted. If SPX jumps in, it is pretty much a guaranteed win for Soto.

[SPX]

I guess I'm riding alone with Soto.....

That is usually a good sign around here. Anytime we all agree on a fight, we lose... we like to refer to that as being Marquarted. If SPX jumps in, it is pretty much a guaranteed win for Soto.

Funny. And I was just thinking earlier today about following on this one.

[MMA_scientist]

Funny. And I was just thinking earlier today about following on this one.

September is going to be money in the bank... I think you should jump in. We have a close fight here... and Warren is a world class athlete, even if he is a smug little troll bastard that shits on America.

[poopoo333]

The only time we have not been Marquart'd was Pudz/Sylvia.

[Luke]

^^^Mayweather-Molsey

[poopoo333]

^^^Mayweather-Molsey

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I was terrified in the 2nd round (I think it was 2nd round)

[Luke]

^^^Mayweather-Molsey

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I was terrified in the 2nd round (I think it was 2nd round)


Yeah I about shit myself also .

[Mr. IWS]

The only time we have not been Marquart'd was Pudz/Sylvia.

Handy/toney as well.

we did sink when Roy Jones lost to Crocodile Dundee though.

[edman5555]

Funny. And I was just thinking earlier today about following on this one.

September is going to be money in the bank... I think you should jump in. We have a close fight here... and Warren is a world class athlete, even if he is a smug little troll bastard that shits on America.


Money in the bank? Which fights?

[edman5555]

4u-ish on Warren. To win 4u

[poopoo333]

3u on Warren @-110, 1.15u on Warren @-115
0.75u on Gomez @-140
0.85u on Gomez, West, Warren, Makovsky @+1238

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Makovski is a solid dog. i have been looking at that fight. Mamalis is a wrestler, wrestled 1 year Juco and was a national runner up... But Makovski wrestled at Drexel and still is the strength and conditioning coach there. He also won the world grappling championships in no gi (which is not that big a deal- Volkmann won it too if that tells you anyting). Still, I think this fight comes down to cardio and striking. Makovski being an active strength and conditioning coach, and being a BW, should have cardio for days.

[Ludo]

1.25u to win 1u on Warren

[MMA_scientist]

Money in the bank? Which fights?

I don't know, but there are a lot of fights... there are probably 100 fights this month. Any money SPX lost on UFC 118 can be easily regained in September. It was really more of a pep talk comment.

[zY|]

FSN has decided to show Illinois vs Iowa State college football today instead of Bellator in my area. This is really stupid considering I live in the southeast, not the midwest. Who gives a shit about those bad teams? Dumb.

[Ludo]

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-bel ... ships.html (http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-bellator-fighting-championships.html)

Just watch that.

[zY|]

I will. But it's not the same as watching MMA in HD glory.

[Luke]

FSN has decided to show Illinois vs Iowa State college football today instead of Bellator in my area. This is really stupid considering I live in the southeast, not the midwest. Who gives a shit about those bad teams? Dumb.


LOL they think more people want to watch illinois-iowa st than MMA

[SPX]

I don't know, but there are a lot of fights... there are probably 100 fights this month. Any money SPX lost on UFC 118 can be easily regained in September. It was really more of a pep talk comment.

They made a documentary about UFC 118, I think. Churned it out really fast.


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51E64PDP40L.jpg

[SPX]

Fuck it. Jumping on the Joe Warren bandwagon for no good reason.

1.25u to win 1.18u

[Ludo]

Excellent, SPX, now we'll know who to blame if he loses. Get ready to play jesus.

[Luke]

Warren is now the dog at 5dimes

-125/+105

[SPX]

Excellent, SPX, now we'll know who to blame if he loses. Get ready to play jesus.

If he loses, I accept that it will be all my fault.

[Luke]

Whats going on that Im missing ? Soto is now -145

[doublearmbar]

People are realizing Joe Warren can't fight that bad and keep winning.

[SPX]

Anyone got a non-shitty stream?

[SPX]

^^^ Seriously, this shit's choppy as a motherfucker. No one's got anything?

[zY|]

Sopcast is offline

[SPX]

Sopcast is offline

Yes, I know.

[SPX]

Sideloaded . . . uh, I mean doublearmbar . . . I know you got something.

Give it up.

[zY|]

It says Bellator 27 "technical difficulties"

wtf is this shit?

[zY|]

What a fail by Bellator. It's like listening to the radio.

[SPX]

It says Bellator 27 "technical difficulties"

wtf is this shit?

I was using the channelsurfing stream. It crashed and there was a message that said "it was the illegal satellite that went down."

[SPX]

I see the "technical difficulties" message now. Really? I wish someone who's watching it on TV would confirm that they're getting the same thing. If so, they should've just stopped that match from going forward until they got their shit together.

[zY|]

It's on their end. Look at the Sherdog chat.

[zY|]

LOL now the guy streaming it just put up

"wow fuck this people ima just show the real hd stream @ 12 am/est"

[Luke]

stand ups are soo gay

[zY|]

stand ups are soo gay

Are you actually watching this somewhere?

[Luke]

stand ups are soo gay

Are you actually watching this somewhere?



On the TV

[SPX]

On the TV

Well what the fuck? Why isn't it fucked up for you?

[Luke]

On the TV

Well what the fuck? Why isn't it fucked up for you?

I dont know .I didnt realize it was fucked up

[zY|]

I'm in the sherdog chat and thread on the forums and not a single person can see it. What the fuck channel are you watching?

[Ludo]

Is it Me or is Jordan Breen quite possibly the worst chat based color commentator on the planet?

[zY|]

Ok it's on now. And the stream still blows ass.

[SPX]

Is it Me or is Jordan Breen quite possibly the worst chat based color commentator on the planet?

"chat based color commentator"

[zY|]

Is it Me or is Jordan Breen quite possibly the worst chat based color commentator on the planet?

How can you tell? It's not like he could see the fight either.

[SPX]

Ok it's on now. And the stream still blows ass.

Yeah, that stream's fucked. Go find a better one.

[Luke]

I'm in the sherdog chat and thread on the forums and not a single person can see it. What the fuck channel are you watching?


Lol I wasnt watching it . I'm watching football

[zY|]

I'm in the sherdog chat and thread on the forums and not a single person can see it. What the fuck channel are you watching?


Lol I wasnt watching it . I'm watching football

I hate you so much. ::handshake::

[SPX]

Lol I wasnt watching it . I'm watching football

Goddamn it, I knew you were trolling. . .

[Luke]

Lol I wasnt watching it . I'm watching football

Goddamn it, I knew you were trolling. . .




::lmao:: ::lmao:: ::lmao::

[Luke]

What link are you guys watching?

[zY|]

Ok it's on now. And the stream still blows ass.

Yeah, that stream's fucked. Go find a better one.

I got nothing here. Anythign?

[Ludo]

What link are you guys watching?

the one where your mom shows us how she makes zuchinni wrapped in ham.

[Ludo]

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-bel ... ships.html (http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-bellator-fighting-championships.html)

The dude just said he switched to an HD stream or some shit. I've yet to see the event since then it's all commercials, It just came on and looks alot better than before.

[Luke]

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-bellator-fighting-championships.html

The dude just said he switched to an HD stream or some shit. I've yet to see the event since then it's all commercials, It just came on and looks alot better than before.


I just found one also in case the one ludo posted goes down

http://squabbles.com/2010/09/watch-bellator-27-right-here-right-now-totally-free/

[doublearmbar]

Sideloaded . . . uh, I mean doublearmbar . . . I know you got something.

Give it up.
? ::swifty::

[Ludo]

Sideloaded . . . uh, I mean doublearmbar . . . I know you got something.

Give it up.
? ::swifty::

::rolling::

[Luke]

Sideloaded . . . uh, I mean doublearmbar . . . I know you got something.

Give it up.
? ::swifty::



Everyone already knows

[zY|]

Oh is that him? Or is this another 'sbjj = southbaysurf debacle'?

[doublearmbar]

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8850/27xge1g1.gif

[Luke]

Oh is that him? Or is this another 'sbjj = southbaysurf debacle'?


you had doubt it wasnt him?

[zY|]

How should I know?

[SPX]

How should I know?

Dude, if you don't know, we're not gonna tell you.

[SPX]

I just found one also in case the one ludo posted goes down

http://squabbles.com/2010/09/watch-bellator-27-right-here-right-now-totally-free/

This stream rocks. Even has support for dual-monitors.

Thanks, Luke.

[Luke]

Cant resist


Soto -130 .65 to win .5

[Luke]

I just found one also in case the one ludo posted goes down

http://squabbles.com/2010/09/watch-bellator-27-right-here-right-now-totally-free/

This stream rocks. Even has support for dual-monitors.

Thanks, Luke.

Just trying to help a little for fucking with you guys earlier ::handshake::

[SPX]

So why are we betting on Warren tonight?

[doublearmbar]

Cant resist


Soto -130 .65 to win .5
I like it.

[Luke]

Cant resist


Soto -130 .65 to win .5
I like it.


thanks Sideloaded but I do lose alot of mma fights

[SPX]

thanks Sideloaded but I do lose alot of mma fights

You're off-setting the curse . . . taking one for the team . . .

[Luke]

thanks Sideloaded but I do lose alot of mma fights

You're off-setting the curse . . . taking one for the team . . .


lol I liked Soto all week .

[zY|]

So why are we betting on Warren tonight?

Point blank. We are betting on bad judging.

[SPX]

I'm glad he reminded them that this is Bellator.

Important to know these things. . .

[SPX]

Point blank. We are betting on bad judging.

Sounds good.

[zY|]

This is the worst stream ever.

[SPX]

This is the worst stream ever.

If you have TVU, use this:

http://squabbles.com/2010/09/watch-bell ... ally-free/ (http://squabbles.com/2010/09/watch-bellator-27-right-here-right-now-totally-free/)

[SPX]

Damn, Warren sucks.

I want to change my bet.

[Ludo]

That was pretty horrible for My bet...

[Havis Jr]

haha nice.

[zY|]

LOL

Remember though he almost got choked out and was dominated in the first round by Pitbull as well.

[Ludo]

HOLY SHIT!

[SPX]

Goddamn, I didn't see that coming.

[Luke]

sigh....

[zY|]

LOL WTF?

I was switching streams and came back on to Warren donkey konging on Soto?

[Ludo]

Dude. This guy is starting to give Scott Smith a run for his money on the "comeback kid" title.

[zY|]

Haha omfg that knee!

[Ludo]

+1u

[SPX]

sigh....

Sorry, Luke. At least you didn't have much on it.

[zY|]

I guess I'll take it, I'm not sure if I'll call that a successful handicap though.

[poopoo333]

What the fuck, I get home from work and the fight is already over?! The Gomez fight has not happened yet?

[SPX]

I guess I'll take it, I'm not sure if I'll call that a successful handicap though.

The only Warren fight I'd ever seen was his fight with Kid and I'd never seen Soto fight. So it was a pure follow.

I'm just glad to know that God hasn't cursed me to never win again.

[zY|]

What the fuck, I get home from work and the fight is already over?! The Gomez fight has not happened yet?

Gomez fight wasn't televised I don't think.

[SPX]

Well . . . looks like he's ready for Aldo.

[poopoo333]

What the fuck, I get home from work and the fight is already over?! The Gomez fight has not happened yet?

Gomez fight wasn't televised I don't think.

I think it is the same situation as last week, it isn't going to be televised and it hasn't happened yet.

[zY|]

I guess I'll take it, I'm not sure if I'll call that a successful handicap though.

The only Warren fight I'd ever seen was his fight with Kid and I'd never seen Soto fight. So it was a pure follow.

I'm just glad to know that God hasn't cursed me to never win again.

LOL. I've seen all of Warren's fights but I've never seen Soto fight either. ::thumbup::

[Ludo]

Yeah I don't think anyone saw that coming after the first round. I expected MAYBE Warren would find a way to catch a takedown and ride the round out, rinse and repeat. This is what happens when a guy gets too fucking cocky in there. Soto deserved what he got to be honest. You'll make it back, Luke. UFN 22 and UFC119 are right around the corner.

[zY|]

What the fuck, I get home from work and the fight is already over?! The Gomez fight has not happened yet?

Gomez fight wasn't televised I don't think.

I think it is the same situation as last week, it isn't going to be televised and it hasn't happened yet.

I think you're right, but I wish they'd show it. They've got 30 minutes left.

[Ludo]

Yeah I'll be honest here I never saw Warren or Soto fight, I just followed most of ya'll.

[edman5555]

Nice.

[zY|]

w00t more fights

[SPX]

Yeah I'll be honest here I never saw Warren or Soto fight, I just followed most of ya'll.

LOL

Well shit, who actually did any real research for this one?

[poopoo333]

Looks like they are showing the Gomez fight now!

And I have never seen Warren or Soto fight, LOL and I put a big play on Warren. I always miss the main Bellator fights because of work, but I read the play by plays and figured out Warren is the luckiest guy ever with a great wrestling game. That usually wins fights.

If Gomez wins, I win that parlay and win like 10u.

[zY|]

If Gomez wins, I win that parlay and win like 10u.

Well let me ruin the suspense for you.

This fight is tape delayed and Gomez did in fact win a split decision. ::thumbup::

[poopoo333]

If Gomez wins, I win that parlay and win like 10u.

Well let me ruin the suspense for you.

This fight is tape delayed and Gomez did in fact win a split decision. ::thumbup::

Seriously?

[zY|]

If Gomez wins, I win that parlay and win like 10u.

Well let me ruin the suspense for you.

This fight is tape delayed and Gomez did in fact win a split decision. ::thumbup::

Seriously?

Yep.

From the Sherdog chat thing


8:07

Jordan Breen: At any rate, Ulysses Gomez won a split decision over Travis Reddinger, using his superior grappling game to threaten Travis Reddinger. Despite slowing down, and actually being in some danger from Reddinger's bottom game later in the fight, the usual flyweight Gomez held on to take two judges scorecards and advance in the tournament.
8:08

Jordan Breen: End spoiler.

[SPX]

You're an asshole, zY.

[zY|]

You're an asshole, zY.

How am I an asshole? Would you really want to sweat out a split decision if you had a 10u parlay on the line?

[poopoo333]

FUCK YEAH! I see 5dimes already has Gomez as the winner so it's legit.


3u on Warren @-110, 1.15u on Warren @-115
0.75u on Gomez @-140
0.85u on Gomez, West, Warren, Makovsky @+1238


Won all my bets tonight, +14.8 units. ::hammertime::

[Ludo]

I think we know who did the research on this one.^^^

[SPX]

How am I an asshole? Would you really want to sweat out a split decision if you had a 10u parlay on the line?

Well the rest of us didn't know the result and Gomez was going to win anyway.

PP could've had his HELL YEAH! moment.

[zY|]

LOL, you can't be serious.

We do nothing but follow play by plays and post massive spoilers in every other thread. Get real.

[poopoo333]

I think we know who did the research on this one.^^^

I didn't. I just went on a limb and bet Warren because of his whole being a good wrestler thing while always getting out of trouble, bet on Gomez because I just support him because he posts on a forum I post on (and he is a known prospect and the other guy has fought 3-36 guys his whole life), and I just bet on them and west on my parlay because I kind of researched West/Goldsby's records, ways of wins/losses, etc. So I just threw them together in a parlay and added the underdog in the Makovsky fight for value!

So basically I just got lucky tonight.

[SPX]

LOL, you can't be serious.

We do nothing but follow play by plays and post massive spoilers in every other thread. Get real.

Yeah, that's true.

Oh well. I guess you have a point. You stole all my desire to watch that fight though, you bastard.

[Ludo]

I think we know who did the research on this one.^^^

I didn't. I just went on a limb and bet Warren because of his whole being a good wrestler thing while always getting out of trouble, bet on Gomez because I just support him because he posts on a forum I post on (and he is a known prospect and the other guy has fought 3-36 guys his whole life), and I just bet on them and west on my parlay because I kind of researched West/Goldsby's records, ways of wins/losses, etc. So I just threw them together in a parlay and added the underdog in the Makovsky fight for value!

So basically I just got lucky tonight.

Couldn't you just take the fucking compliment? ::doh::

[zY|]

I apologize. I don't want to watch it anymore either.

[poopoo333]

I wish I would have waited to put all my money on Warren when he was +120 though. I guess it doesn't matter, I was at work anyways.

[MMA_scientist]

I need to start betting more on the Bellator cards... I never lose on them. If it wasn't for Jeff Curran I would be undefeated on Bellator cards.

I definitely did not see that coming from Warren. But I sort of expected him to lose the first round. I thought he would start getting his takedowns more as the fight wore on... I will take it but I really sort of wish the fight would have went on so I could see if I capped it right.

I knew I should have bet on Makovski, I pretty much had that fight pegged but just never pulled the trigger.

Poopoo... you badass. You just cleared like half of my haul for the YEAR.

[Thewiseman]

+1u

[poopoo333]

Poopoo... you badass. You just cleared like half of my haul for the YEAR.

Lol I had to restart my bankroll because I bet like an idiot during the NBA playoffs and didn't end up catching my losses. But since I restarted July 23rd I have almost doubled my bank roll so I am almost caught up to what I lost!

[MMA_scientist]

Poopoo... that is nice work. Volatility is your enemy though.

you shit looks like this: http://static.businessinsider.com/~~/f?id=4a913bdbcc639d2720be77b9

it should look like this:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_03/images/tacinv112203d.gif

[poopoo333]

I know, if I can do good for about 3-4 more months, that is what my shit is going to eventually look like... I hope.

[SPX]

I know, if I can do good for about 3-4 more months, that is what my shit is going to eventually look like... I hope.

You need a defined bankroll and need to bet in proportion to that bankroll. Winning 14 nights in one night is awesome, but not if the losses are equally as dramatic.

It's a marathon . . . not a sprint.

[doublearmbar]

Poopoo... that is nice work. Volatility is your enemy though.

you shit looks like this: http://static.businessinsider.com/~~/f?id=4a913bdbcc639d2720be77b9

it should look like this:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_03/images/tacinv112203d.gif

I like gambling mma because it has maybe one million variables, whereas the stock market has a trillion variables many of which are hidden.

[MMA_scientist]

I like gambling mma because it has maybe one million variables, whereas the stock market has a trillion variables many of which are hidden.

I am in the stock market too, but I agree that we actually have more information on mma fighters than we have on an equity...

If you have't read Mark Cuban's blog entry about a sports betting hedge fundit, you should. Incidentally, he basically said the information was more available and that he knew people that would whup the S&P 500. It has become reality now: http://www.cnbc.com/id/36218041/Sports_ ... es_Reality (http://www.cnbc.com/id/36218041/Sports_Betting_Hedge_Fund_Becomes_Reality)

[doublearmbar]

I like gambling mma because it has maybe one million variables, whereas the stock market has a trillion variables many of which are hidden.

I am in the stock market too, but I agree that we actually have more information on mma fighters than we have on an equity...

If you have't read Mark Cuban's blog entry about a sports betting hedge fundit, you should. Incidentally, he basically said the information was more available and that he knew people that would whup the S&P 500. It has become reality now: http://www.cnbc.com/id/36218041/Sports_ ... es_Reality (http://www.cnbc.com/id/36218041/Sports_Betting_Hedge_Fund_Becomes_Reality)
Thats great man. I think boxing really put a black eye on gambling combat sports. I would rather gamble mma right now then mess around in real estate. At least where I live.

[MMA_scientist]

So far, I have made a way better return, and with way less volitility. Betting on MMA, I have only had one dip of more than 10%... whereas in the stock market, I have barely broken even over 5 years. I still believe in the stock market over the long run, but I think the returns are going to look more like 7-8% p/a than 10-12% that you used to bank on. Its just not enough. That's actually why I started betting on mma, as an investing alternative.

[Mr. IWS]

I like Warren. That mutherfucker has fought nothing but top guys since he started his career. Not 1 can on his record.

I slap my fingers like Ali-G and say respekt!

[SPX]

^^^ I say give him Aldo to knock some humility into his ass.

[Mr. IWS]

^^^ I say give him Aldo to knock some humility into his ass.

Warren via fire pit.

[MMA_scientist]

^ at least he actually tried to finish the damn fight this time. I got no problem with bravado if you back it up. I could not stomach him walking around saying he was the baddest man on the planet after dry humping for 15 minutes and doing no damage.

[SPX]

He was getting lit the fuck up in a bad way in the first. Didn't even come close to getting his hands on Soto for the takedown.

I didn't see how he was going to win it.

[Mr. IWS]

That pez despenser knee was an OH Shit! moment.

[MMA_scientist]

I finally got around to watching the Soto/Warren fight in its entirety... I didn't realize how badly Warren was getting his ass kicked. Why was Soto showboating? Warren looked like he was in slow motion. I will give it to Warren, he has some heart. He was straight getting humiliated.

[Luke]

Why was Soto showboating? .


Stupidity ::handshake::