Shark fights 13

[edman5555]

No line yet...but with this card I'll bet there will be one at the last minute.


Light Heavyweight bout: Keith Jardine vs. Trevor Prangley[1]
Light Heavyweight bout: Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Houston Alexander[1]
Welterweight bout: Paul Daley vs. Jorge Masvidal
Middleweight bout: Joey Villasenor vs. Drew McFedries[1]
Welterweight bout: Brock Larson vs. Tarec Saffiedine[1]
[edit] Preliminary card
Featherweight Championship bout: Douglas Evans (c) vs. Ronnie Mann[1]
Middleweight bout: Paul Bradley vs. Johnny Rees[1]
Heavyweight bout: Devin Cole vs. Aaron Rosa[1]
Lightweight bout: Karen Darabedyan vs. Marcus Hicks[1]
Welterweight bout: Pete Spratt vs. Eric Davila[1]

[SPX]

I'll be on Soko and Darabedyan unless their lines are just stupid.

If the Dean's an underdog, then I'll put something on him just cuz. God, I hope he wins. I really do. I'll cry if he doesn't, but Prangley's no joke.

[Luke]

Prangley 100 units no matter what the line is

[SPX]

Prangley 100 units no matter what the line is

I'm not impressed with your performance.

[Luke]

Prangley 100 units no matter what the line is

I'm not impressed with your performance.


I'm not impressed with ANY of Jardines performances ,ever

[SPX]

I'm not impressed with ANY of Jardines performances ,ever

And he's not impressed with your performance! You non-apostrophical-possessive-knowing motherfucker!

[Luke]

Lets be honest SPX whats the differnce in me saying bet Prangley just because he's fighting Jardine than you saying you're betting Jardine "just because?"

[SPX]

Lets be honest SPX whats the differnce in me saying bet Prangley just because he's fighting Jardine than you saying you're betting Jardine "just because?"

Nigga, you know that's just my way of saying "I support Jardine."

He can lose 1000x in a row, but I'm not jumping ship.

[Luke]

^^^^I'd stay away until he gets a win under his belt

[poopoo333]

The only way I would bet on Soko/Alexander is if one of them is a +200 underdog.

[SPX]

The only way I would bet on Soko/Alexander is if one of them is a +200 underdog.

Both are underwhelming, but I think Soko's gonna fuck Alexander up. Both guys have the same problem: Cardio. So if it makes it to the second round, they'll both be sucking wind, it won't just be Soko this time.

Provided Soko doesn't get KOd with a crazy punch--and he's only been straight KOd once--then I think he wins. Alexander has zero ground game and Soko should be able to easily get it to the ground with his judo and get his GnP on.

I actually like Soko a lot here, but for god's sake, don't listen to me because he'll probably lose.

[MMA_scientist]

Sok should win, but he has a way of finding a way to lose. I am never betting Sok again, I don't care if he wins 20 in a row.

Larson could be a good bet. Villesenor could be bettable depending on the line.

[poopoo333]

Now that I think about it, Soko should win. But he should of beat Minowaman as well. Soko is bigger and has fought better competition, he even was competitive with Mousasi in the first round. I kind of overrated Alexander here. But my original reasoning was "how can you make a good bet on a fight that will be a slugfest/gasfest?" Then I remembered I have already placed a bet on Beltran/Mitrione

[zY|]

Sokoudjou should smash Houston, but Sokoudjou lost to Minowa. Nuff said.

[SPX]

Sokoudjou should smash Houston, but Sokoudjou lost to Minowa. Nuff said.

Yeah, but some think that shit was fixed, and if not then Minowa has a way of beating people. It's odd.

[doublearmbar]

Love him or hate him Minowaman has heart for days.

[zY|]

That was me saying that.

Real talk. It wasn't fixed. It just went the way all of his fights go. Either he finishes quick in the first round or he shuts down completely. Now the ref may have stopped the fight early to get Minowa the win, that's possible. But he was likely going to win the decision anyways.

[zY|]

Love him or hate him Minowaman has heart for days.

Minowaman heelhooked my mom in 8 seconds. Tru story.

[Luke]

Minowaman heelhooked SPX's mom in 8 seconds. Tru story.


fixed it for you ::handshake::

[SPX]

Minowaman heelhooked SPX's mom in 8 seconds. Tru story.


fixed it for you ::handshake::

Luke likes dicks.

True story.

[doublearmbar]

not sure whats going on

[Luke]

not sure whats going on


::lmao::

[zY|]

not sure whats going on


::lmao::

Wait, is that not another one of Zak's aliases?

[Luke]

not sure whats going on


::lmao::

Wait, is that not another one of Zak's aliases?


No I just checked. Besides its 11:30pm Zaks been in bed for 3 hours by now

[zY|]

Awesome.

Well hello then, doublearmbar.

[Luke]

Awesome.

Well hello then, doublearmbar.


So wait ,you thought he was a troll account so you said "Minowaman heelhooked my mom in 8 seconds?"


Thats awesomely awesome ::thumbup::

[zY|]

Awesome.

Well hello then, doublearmbar.


So wait ,you thought he was a troll account so you said "Minowaman heelhooked my mom in 8 seconds?"


Thats awesomely awesome ::thumbup::

Not really. I would've said it anyways. The only thing more awesomely awesome than a double armbar (besides Pat Audinwood, of course) is a double rainbow.

[Luke]

not sure whats going on


Just us screwing off is all ::handshake::

[Havis Jr]

I'll be on Soko and Darabedyan unless their lines are just stupid.

If the Dean's an underdog, then I'll put something on him just cuz. God, I hope he wins. I really do. I'll cry if he doesn't, but Prangley's no joke.

Dean is 34 Prangly 38.Deans last 2 fights were bader and hamill, I watched both. He showed really good TDD he stopped 4 of 6 bader takedowns. He got back up quickly on one and shut down bader enough to get Rosenthal to stand them up on the other. Does Prangly have better striking? becuase if not I think Jardine should win.

[Ludo]

Jardine should win because his takedown defense tends to be good enough. But I don't trust his chin or his wierd ass hand placement when he's setting up strikes. Dude hangs his hands like Butterbean after four rounds.

[Luke]

Does Prangly have better striking? becuase if not I think Jardine should win.

Well Matt Hamil(whos a wrestler) just outstruck Jardine so.....

[Havis Jr]

Does Prangly have better striking? becuase if not I think Jardine should win.

Well Matt Hamil(whos a wrestler) just outstruck Jardine so.....

Hamil has good hands.

[Ludo]

[quote="Havis Jr":3u5elgwu] Does Prangly have better striking? becuase if not I think Jardine should win.

Well Matt Hamil(whos a wrestler) just outstruck Jardine so.....

Hamil has good hands.[/quote:3u5elgwu]

For a deaf guy.

[Havis Jr]

Sok should win, but he has a way of finding a way to lose. I am never betting Sok again, I don't care if he wins 20 in a row.

Larson could be a good bet. Villesenor could be bettable depending on the line.

Tarec is really good. He was a good striker and had good bjj then he went to team quest(3 years) to get the wrestling. He is 23 only one dec loss to a good opponent. Larson is on the tail end of his career.

[Mr. IWS]

No I just checked. Besides its 11:30pm Zaks been in bed for 3 hours by now

10 o'clock news for life!

[MMA_scientist]

Prangley is just the kind of fighter that beats Jardine. A wrestler with heavy hands and a solid chin.

Havis, I know Tarec, I expect the line to be pretty close... but I still think Larson will get on top of him and pound on him or win a decision. The guys who beat Larson to get him out of the UFC turned out to be pretty damn good (Foster and Pierce). He is 28-4 qand all of his losses have come to total badasses (Foster, Pierce, Condit, Fitch). All but 1 came to a superior wrestler.

[Havis Jr]

Besides kennedy, Prangly has been fighting cans. He has 2 kos in 40 fights. Keith has been wrestling with rashad for how many years at greg jacksons? as far ass mma goes keith is the better wrestler.

[Luke]

Hamil has good hands.





.......

[Luke]

No I just checked. Besides its 11:30pm Zaks been in bed for 3 hours by now

10 o'clock news for life!



I was just joking man.

[SPX]

.......

Hamill really isn't a bad striker. If you think differently, then I think you're not giving him his due credit.

[Mr. IWS]

I was just joking man.

LOL, I know bro.

::handshake::

[Luke]

.......

Hamill really isn't a bad striker. If you think differently, then I think you're not giving him his due credit.


You know Jardine has been fighting worse and worse strikers every fight trying to get a win and still has been losing .From Rampage to Silva to Bader to Hamil

[Ludo]

.......

Hamill really isn't a bad striker. If you think differently, then I think you're not giving him his due credit.


He's in the 205lb division. I wouldn't favor him to out strike anyone in the top 15. His striking may not fit the definition of "bad" but at 205 you need better than just "decent" striking to make something of yourself nowadays.

[SPX]

He's in the 205lb division. I wouldn't favor him to out strike anyone in the top 15. His striking may not fit the definition of "bad" but at 205 you need better than just "decent" striking to make something of yourself nowadays.

Well, first off, I don't think anyone's under any illusions about Hamill being the LHW champ one day or anything. He just won't be. He's a solid mid-level guy and that's going to remain his place in the division. So if you compare his striking to Shogun's, for instance, and declare that to be the standard of "good" then not many fighters are going to have "good" striking. I look at guys like Shogun and Machida as having not just good, but great, striking, at least in terms of MMA.

Guys like Hamill have good striking.

Guys like, oh, we'll say Vinny Maghalaes have poor striking.

Hamill has 6 (T)KOs in 9 wins. He's taken guys out with punches . . . he's taken them out with kicks. . .

For him to outstrike Jardine (and I haven't seen that fight yet, so I'm just going off what everyone else is saying), I think says more about Hamill than it says about Jardine.

[Ludo]

He's in the 205lb division. I wouldn't favor him to out strike anyone in the top 15. His striking may not fit the definition of "bad" but at 205 you need better than just "decent" striking to make something of yourself nowadays.

Well, first off, I don't think anyone's under any illusions about Hamill being the LHW champ one day or anything. He just won't be. He's a solid mid-level guy and that's going to remain his place in the division. So if you compare his striking to Shogun's, for instance, and declare that to be the standard of "good" then not many fighters are going to have "good" striking. I look at guys like Shogun and Machida as having not just good, but great, striking, at least in terms of MMA.

Guys like Hamill have good striking.

Guys like, oh, we'll say Vinny Maghalaes have poor striking.

Hamill has 6 (T)KOs in 9 wins. He's taken guys out with punches . . . he's taken them out with kicks. . .

For him to outstrike Jardine (and I haven't seen that fight yet, so I'm just going off what everyone else is saying), I think says more about Hamill than it says about Jardine.

I wasn't talking about title aspirations either, I was talking about a spot in the top ten is all. The only guy he (T)KO'd with kicks is Mark Munoz who had no business at 205 to begin with and who's striking is about as technical as a "greatest hits" collection from Bum Fights. Compare his striking even to guys like Rashad, Rampage, Rogerio, Forrest, Bones, Matyushenko, Thiago Silva. He would lose the striking battle with all of these guys.

[Havis Jr]

Hamil LOST the striking in round 1. In round 2 one judge gave it too keith the other 2 gave it too Hamil. Keith was deducted a point in the second round for accidental eye poke so he lost, but it would have been 29-28, 29-28, 28-29 split dec for Hamil.
I watched the both of keiths last 2 fights against fighters with better wrestling and hands. He did well.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/310.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Luke]

Prangley for me I thought Jardine would open at -160 and I thought that was a high guess .

[Luke]

Am I the only one that thinks this line is way too high?

[poopoo333]

Am I the only one that thinks this line is way too high?

No. I think it should be more like -130 -110 or something like that.

[Luke]

Am I the only one that thinks this line is way too high?

No. I think it should be more like -130 -110 or something like that.


Thats what I was thinking poopoo .

[zY|]

Yeah I might bet against Jardine for the first time here. Of course then he'll win.

[Luke]

Maybe the lines higher than expected because every mma fan knows Jardine but not alot of people know who Prangley is

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I have to think anyone who bets on MMA knows who Prangley is. He has several UFC fights and dude has been around forever. He is getting old though... the line is about what I thought it would be. Jardine should win, but Prangley is not much different than Bader or Hammil IMO. He may be a slightly better wrestler with slightly worse hands. But for all intents and purposes, he is the same guy for the 3rd straight fight for Jardine.

[Havis Jr]

^^ I have to think anyone who bets on MMA knows who Prangley is. He has several UFC fights and dude has been around forever. He is getting old though... the line is about what I thought it would be. Jardine should win, but Prangley is not much different than Bader or Hammil IMO. He may be a slightly better wrestler with slightly worse hands. But for all intents and purposes, he is the same guy for the 3rd straight fight for Jardine.

Bader/hamil by AGE alone are the better wrestlers. Its not like when your 38 years old your the same wrestler as when your 26. Besides that bader and hamil both had better college wrestling careers.

[SPX]

Goddamn, KJ at -265 now?

[poopoo333]

Goddamn, KJ at -265 now?

Yeah, ridiculous lol.

[MMA_scientist]

I think he will win, but yeah, that's a rip off.

[SPX]

Hopefully he'll live up to that line.

He SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY needs a win here. Like, big time.

[Luke]

Goddamn, KJ at -265 now?



Jesus WTF ? It stayed still for days and then jumped to that ? Heck I was thinking about Prangley at +155 ,+185 looks even better. Maybe that shit will rise even more

[SPX]

Jesus WTF ? It stayed still for days and then jumped to that ? Heck I was thinking about Prangley at +155 ,+185 looks even better. Maybe that shit will rise even more

I hate to say it, but Prangley at +185 is probably not a bad bet.

[edman5555]

I will probably be on Soko if the line is decent

[Luke]

Lol now the lines back to -190

[Luke]

Now its at -270 .WTF is going on with this line?

[zY|]

Now its at -270 .WTF is going on with this line?

It looks like they're only moving it between the 2 positions. The graph on Bestfightodds shows it going right from -270 to -190 and back again.

[Luke]

Now its at -270 .WTF is going on with this line?

It looks like they're only moving it between the 2 positions. The graph on Bestfightodds shows it going right from -270 to -190 and back again.


They probably have 50 dollar limits. Everytime someone bets the limit it bounces like that

[Luke]

Drew McFedries, Marcus Hicks scratched from Shark Fights 13 event

http://bit.ly/b3MWuD

[SPX]

Motherfucker!

And I was going to make some money off of Darabedyan, too.

[zY|]

He probably wouldve gotten white belt armbarred again anyways.

[Luke]

Danillo Villefort in vs Joey Villasenor at Shark Fights 13


http://bit.ly/aeWSKa

[SPX]

He probably wouldve gotten white belt armbarred again anyways.

He looked so good against Razor Rob. I thought he was going to be the next big thing in the division. Hopefully he'll work on those ground skills and get back into the WEC.

[Luke]

Villasenor vs. Villefort, Darabedyan vs. Straus official for Shark Fights 13

http://bit.ly/aDfG2r

[SPX]

Soko at -500.

Very disappointing.

[Ludo]

.527u to win 1u on Prangley

[Luke]

Soko at -500.

Very disappointing.


figures

[zY|]

Where the lines for Shine fights? ::thumbup::

[SPX]

figures

Houston just getting NO respect, even against a fighter as inconsistent as Soko. I was hoping for -300 or better.

[zY|]

figures

Houston just getting NO respect, even against a fighter as inconsistent as Soko. I was hoping for -300 or better.

So bet on Houston.

[SPX]

So bet on Houston.

I don't have the faith that Houston will land that KO shot.

At this point it's just a good ol' fashioned no bet.

[zY|]

So bet on Houston.

I don't have the faith that Houston will land that KO shot.

At this point it's just a good ol' fashioned no bet.

Agreed.

Houston is pretty terrible all around. He's only really dangerous in the clinch where he can punch really hard with horrible technique. And if it gets there Soko will flip him on his ass with extra extreme ease. If it goes past 7 minutes Soko will fade fast, but Houston likely even faster. If there's no finish in the first round it probably goes to a decision with Soko looking slightly less awful than Houston.

[SPX]

Agreed.

Houston is pretty terrible all around. He's only really dangerous in the clinch where he can punch really hard with horrible technique. And if it gets there Soko will flip him on his ass with extra extreme ease. If it goes past 7 minutes Soko will fade fast, but Houston likely even faster. If there's no finish in the first round it probably goes to a decision with Soko looking slightly less awful than Houston.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. To his credit, all of Soko's losses are to guys who are pretty good to great. But he does have a lot of problems that he seems to refuse to address.

If Soko was a fighter who was living up to his potential, then I could see -500. But under the current circumstances, it's way too high.

[Ludo]

If he was fighting to his full potential he wouldn't be wasting his time with Houston Alexander in the first place. Even still -500 is insane for someone of even Sokodjou's potential calliber. Thats usually a line reserved for the most dominant of dominant champions. The Matt Hughes', BJ Penn's, Anderson Silva's and GSP's.

[SPX]

I'm actually surprised the line hasn't moved at all. I would think there would be some people who would say, "Houston at +350? Fuck it. Soko is so questionable."

[Ludo]

Probably because Houston is also very questionable. Not to mention his last fight wasn't exactly the kind that builds confidence in bettors.

[poopoo333]

I want Jardine to win, but the line is a little off imo. 0.5u on Prangley @+200

[MMA_scientist]

.5u on Devin Cole @ +150.

Betting on the wrestler. Look at the guys he has lost to, they are all total BA's and better wrestlers.

[Havis Jr]

.5u cole
.5u tarrec
2u jardine @-190

[MMA_scientist]

Been looking more at this card. I seriously think every dog on the card is live... they all have legitimate paths to victory. I am thinking about just dropping enough to win 1u on every dog on the card.

[SPX]

Been looking more at this card. I seriously think every dog on the card is live... they all have legitimate paths to victory. I am thinking about just dropping enough to win 1u on every dog on the card.

What do you know about Daniel Straus?

[MMA_scientist]

He's a wrestler. He has decent well rounded skills, but he can't hang with Darebdayan on the feet. He is going to be looking for takedowns all night

[SPX]

He's a wrestler. He has decent well rounded skills, but he can't hang with Darebdayan on the feet. He is going to be looking for takedowns all night

Karen's wrestling has seemed pretty good from what I remember. He just lacks sub defense, apparebtly.

Can Straus sub him?

[MMA_scientist]

He's a wrestler. He has decent well rounded skills, but he can't hang with Darebdayan on the feet. He is going to be looking for takedowns all night

Karen's wrestling has seemed pretty good from what I remember. He just lacks sub defense, apparebtly.

Can Straus sub him?

Karen is a stud judoka. I doubt he will be getting subbed, he should win easy IMO... but then again, I didn't the Bart would sub him either. His armbar defense is a mystery. All of the other Hayastan guys have awesome submission defense. I tend to think he HAS to have plugged that hole by now.

[SPX]

Karen is a stud judoka. I doubt he will be getting subbed, he should win easy IMO... but then again, I didn't the Bart would sub him either. His armbar defense is a mystery. All of the other Hayastan guys have awesome submission defense. I tend to think he HAS to have plugged that hole by now.

But you don't think he's worth the line?

[MMA_scientist]

It is over my cap of -250 (even though I break it a lot). I am not willing to go to -315, because Straus does have a path to victory via top control. He was only a HS wrestler, but apparently he is pretty good. Of course, he hasn't been fighting anyone of any real consequence either.

[SPX]

It is over my cap of -250 (even though I break it a lot).

What's up with this cap?

[MMA_scientist]

I broke down all of my bets for the year... and if I would have only bet up to -250 (instead of -400) I would have done A LOT better. So I am trying it out for a while. Its not firm, I cheat it all the time.

But if it is over -300, it has to go in the locks parlay. That is how certain it needs to be for me to go to -300 or so.

What do you think of Karen's striking?

[SPX]

What do you think of Karen's striking?

I think his striking is bad ass. I was shocked by how he totally outclassed Razor Rob and he was also beating Bartimus's ass before the armbar.

[MMA_scientist]

Screw it. 4u on Karen @ -315.

Straus doen't have a lot of outs here. Karen's judo should be good enough to at least neutralize Straus' wrestling., and probably take top if he wants it. Kerr is a really good bjj competitor (not world class, but very good). Bart is a high level fighter.

[SPX]

I might ride with you on that one after doing a little research tonight.

Then we can get overeager and do Soko, too.

[MMA_scientist]

Then we can get overeager and do Soko, too.

Never that.

[Havis Jr]

watson,daley,cole,darbedyan .25u for 2u

taylor,daley,cole,darbedyan .5u for 2u

[Havis Jr]

I don't know about cole, I think aaron could sprawl and brawl to dec. Aaron trains with good wrestlers, cole probably trains with better wrestlers and he is the better wrestler. But is cole's gas tank good enough to dominate aaron with wrestling for at least 2 rounds?

[MMA_scientist]

Aaron will probably win. Cole has to pin him for 3 rounds... but Cole is a way better wrestler so it could happen. I think we will know about 20 seconds into the fight who is going to win. If Cole struggles with the takedown, no way he will win.

[SPX]

I might do a Darabedyan-Soko-KJ parlay @ +157.

[MMA_scientist]

That should hit. I looked at Straus again... he has really strong takedowns. I hope Karen can get up, because I think Straus is going to put him on his back. Regretting the bet now.

[SPX]

That should hit. I looked at Straus again... he has really strong takedowns. I hope Karen can get up, because I think Straus is going to put him on his back. Regretting the bet now.

I guess you could hedge out if you wanted to. You'd take a hit, though, unless the line moves.

[MMA_scientist]

nah, I am going to let it ride. He's going to win.

[SPX]

Where do you put Houston's chances to win?

[MMA_scientist]

Slim to none. But I don't bet on Sok.

[SPX]

I'm thinking I can get Soko for -435, and -500 is probably more accurate, if even that. So there's value there.

Right? RIGHT?!?!

[Luke]

I'm thinking I can get Soko for -435, and -500 is probably more accurate, if even that. So there's value there.

Right? RIGHT?!?!



::thumbdown::

[SPX]

::thumbdown::

At least give me a counter-argument.

[zY|]

::thumbdown::

At least give me a counter-argument.

http://www.yorkblog.com/mma/minowa450.jpg

[SPX]

http://www.yorkblog.com/mma/minowa450.jpg

Yeah, I lost money on that one, but Minowa would fuck Alexander up, too.

[SPX]

BTW, I read that KJ and Houston were originally supposed to rematch but couldn't because Houston was set up to fight Soko.

[MMA_scientist]

I set my general "puncher's chance" on any given fight @ about 15-20%. So that is where I put Houston. He can only win by lucky flailing punch. But then again, Sok takes dives, so who knows.

[Svino]

What do you guys think about Larson vs. Saffiedine? Is Strikeforce overhyping Saffiedine? There's been strong line movement in his direction and I've been thinking of betting Larson. Larson really hasn't been fighting good guys lately though, look at this dude:

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nick-Almen-16762

[MMA_scientist]

I thought about Larson in the beginning, but then backed out of it. Larson has only lost to real badasses though. At the time his losses to Foster and Pierce were enough to get him booted from the UFC, but as it turns out, they are both pretty good. Larson has some very solid wins to his credit, so I don't think we can discredit him because he has been can smashing lately (Carlo Prater is good, Alessio is good, Pyle).

I watched Tarec against Terry. He got taken down pretty easily by Terry in Round 1, and his ground game doesnt look all that dynamic.

he did stuff Nate Moore several times and Moore is a D1 wrester. But that was after he wobbled Moore with a punch and Moore was just desperation shooting.

I think you might be right here. Larson is going to gorilla him

[SPX]

Daley misses weight, and forfeits 10% of his show purse as well as any chance at a FOTN bonus.

[Thewiseman]

Larson .85u to win .5u.

[poopoo333]

0.5u on Prangley @+200
0.5u on Darabedyan, Daley, Villasenor @+113
0.2u on Houston @+325
1u on Larson @-165

[SPX]

Thoughts on Daley/Masvidal?

[doublearmbar]

With Daley missing weight and not looking so hot in Australia I think Masvidal is a live dog. I took him for 1u.

[SPX]

With Daley missing weight and not looking so hot in Australia I think Masvidal is a live dog. I took him for 1u.

It's possible Daley missing weight is a GOOD thing for him, though. He could rock it out Anthony Johnson-style.

[doublearmbar]

I think he isn't taking his career seriously, just going in there to land one punch. I think a smart game plan can beat him quite easily.

[Svino]

With Daley missing weight and not looking so hot in Australia I think Masvidal is a live dog. I took him for 1u.

It's possible Daley missing weight is a GOOD thing for him, though. He could rock it out Anthony Johnson-style.

It's not like he missed it by 8 pounds and just said, "fuck it". It really seems like he tried to cut the weight and failed. I think Daley has enough weaknesses and there's enough uncertainty about the quality of his training to make a dog bet on Masvidal worthwhile.

[SPX]

Just watched Masvidal vs Kitaoka and Imada, and Daley vs Acacio.

I do think Daley will probably win, but at +285 I went ahead and took Masvidal. Daley's line is probably higher than it should be.

[poopoo333]

Davila missed weight by 6.5 lbs. But I can't find myself to bet on a 39 year old, 21-17 journeyman...although he did look good against Luigi.

[edman5555]

Jorge Masvidal looks to be a striker more or less. I would not want to be anyone in a striking battle with Paul Daley. His last 13 of 13 wins have come from strikes.

[edman5555]

Masvidal has only submitted one person in his entire career.

[edman5555]

I sherdoggg'd all the guys Tarec Saffiedine has fought. Some so so guys. One guy that beat him is a 38 year old high level judo guy. The other guys he beat were mostly cans. Some with many fights but barely winning records. All the guys he submitted were guys with 2-5 fights and losing records for the most part. Brock Larson is a vet with 19 submission wins. I think he should take this. Tarec is onyl 24 years old by the way.

[edman5555]

Tarec is an amateur kickboxer with a record of 12-1. He has only knocked out one person in mma. Brock has only been knocked out once.

[edman5555]

I'm thinking of a parlay. Brock Larson, Keith Jardine, Paul Daley. What do you guys think?

[edman5555]

Davila has 12 wins via submission and Pete Spratt has like 13 losses via submission.

[SPX]

Davila missed weight by 6.5 lbs. But I can't find myself to bet on a 39 year old, 21-17 journeyman...although he did look good against Luigi.

He looked good against Nathan Gunn, too.

My biggest concern would be that most of Davila's wins are by sub and Spratt likes to be subbed apparently, with 12 of his last losses coming by submission.

Still, Davila seems to suck a lot. If you research it, you'll see that most (all?) of his wins are against guys who have pretty lackluster records (like Spratt's, I suppose) and he loses against just about anyone who actually has a name people have heard of. At least many of Spratt's losses have come to pretty notable guys.

[SPX]

Soko/Alexander preview. Actually looks pretty good. It's obvious that Shark Fights has put a ton of money into this event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aguQcZ_1vkw

[SPX]

Undercard stream now going on Sherdog.

[Svino]

Undercard stream now going on Sherdog.

Looks like they're having some technical difficulties. Did you see them do the intro and then stop, listen to their earpieces for a minute, and then go back and redo it?

[SPX]

Looks like they're having some technical difficulties. Did you see them do the intro and then stop, listen to their earpieces for a minute, and then go back and redo it?

Yeah, and Bas didn't know they were live and totally fucked shit up.

And we got Don Frye in his awesomely tacky American flag shirt.

[SPX]

Soko down to -360 now. . .

Hmm. . .

[poopoo333]

Soko down to -360 now. . .

Hmm. . .

HMM.

[SPX]

HMM.

Are you mocking me, or equally tempted?

[poopoo333]

HMM.

Are you mocking me, or equally tempted?

I'm on Alexander because I think +300 or better in a potential slugfest is worth a small play. But I think Soko will probably win, but I am trying to not bet fights -300 or more. If Daley comes down a little bit I might throw something on him

[SPX]

Goddamn, Devila's head really is fucking huge.

[zY|]

Damn. Spratt got ruined.

[SPX]

Damn, Spratt got tapped.

[poopoo333]

That was nice, I am glad I decided to stay away from Spratt.

[SPX]

Should've been on Devila. I really didn't see him winning that fight until right at the very end, though.

[SPX]

That was nice, I am glad I decided to stay away from Spratt.

Word. Me too.

[poopoo333]

Should've been on Devila. I really didn't see him winning that fight until right at the very end, though.

I was going to put 0.25u on him before the fight when I saw on BFO he was +230 but then I saw 5dimes took down all of the undercard lines down already.

[SPX]

Looked like Spratt was going to recover, too.

[poopoo333]

SPX, you have no bets on this card?

[SPX]

SPX, you have no bets on this card?

.5u on Masvidal
Might take the plunge on Soko. Still deciding.

[edman5555]

Davila has 12 wins via submission and Pete Spratt has like 13 losses via submission.


I called it but didn't bet it. Whoops

[poopoo333]

Jardine's line is dropping

[zY|]

I took Jardine earlier.

Bad Boyz 4 lyfe.

[SPX]

I hope Darabedyan wins this, but I couldn't bring myself to bet it.

I know Scientist has some money on it.

[SPX]

Jardine's line is dropping

Where?

[poopoo333]

I took Jardine earlier.

Bad Boyz 4 lyfe.

I took Prangley @+200 for 0.5u, no bad boyz 4 lyfe here...


wanna ride together or die together and bet on Daley?

[SPX]

That's funny. Straus was announced as being 5'5" on the Bellator broadcast. Nigga must've hit a growth spurt last month.

[zY|]

I took Jardine earlier.

Bad Boyz 4 lyfe.

I took Prangley @+200 for 0.5u, no bad boyz 4 lyfe here...


wanna ride together or die together and bet on Daley?

I meant me and Keith ride together and die together.

And yeah I'm considering Daley.

[SPX]

I've give it to Darabedyan, but it was pretty close.

[poopoo333]

Ronnie Mann is down to -300 and he opened at -800....weird

[Luke]

If my boxing bet comes through I might throw .25 to .5 on Prangley

[MMA_scientist]

Karen's striking looks really tenative. I think the lefty is throwing him off.

19-19

[SPX]

Karen's striking looks really tenative. I think the lefty is throwing him off.

19-19

I agree.

He needs to come out here and just do his thing this round.

[Luke]

Where are you guys watching this?

[SPX]

Where are you guys watching this?

Sherdog

[poopoo333]

I foresee a split decision here.

[SPX]

Hmm. . .

[poopoo333]

I foresee a split decision here.

Nevermind, they scored the fight 10-9.

[MMA_scientist]

shit.

[SPX]

Damn. Sorry, Scientist. I feel somewhat responsible for that one.

[doublearmbar]

time to chase guys.

[Luke]

time to chase guys.


::shake::

[SPX]

::shake::

Are you actually going to be around tonight or are you being gay again?

[MMA_scientist]

5u on KJ @ -205

[doublearmbar]

5u on KJ @ -205

Im tailing Scientist.

[SPX]

5u on KJ @ -205

Really?

[edman5555]

If my boxing bet comes through I might throw .25 to .5 on Prangley


Don't man. Hes 38 and he doesnt really have much knockout power..JArdine can beat this guy.

[poopoo333]

If my boxing bet comes through I might throw .25 to .5 on Prangley


Don't man. Hes 38 and he doesnt really have much knockout power..JArdine can beat this guy.

But on the contrary, Jardine has lost 5 of his last 6 with his last 4 being in a row. I have a small play on Prangley because I thought the line was a little off....but I do want to see Jardine get a win

[Luke]

Don't man. Hes 38 and he doesnt really have much knockout power..JArdine can beat this guy.


I've heard that same arguement about Jardines last 3 fights

::handshake::

[SPX]

I've heard that same arguement about Jardines last 3 fights

::handshake::

Someone said Bader doesn't have knockout power? Rampage?

Stop being a liar.

[poopoo333]

I've heard that same arguement about Jardines last 3 fights

::handshake::

Someone said Bader doesn't have knockout power? Rampage?

Stop being a liar.

Rampage falls under "last 4 fights". ::praise::

[Luke]

Rampage falls under "last 4 fights". ::praise::


::handshake::

[SPX]

Rampage falls under "last 4 fights". ::praise::

Thiago Silva, too.

I know no one said he doesn't have KO power. Nor did anyone accuse him of being 38.

[Luke]

I probably wont even bet it but I think theres way more of a argument NOT to take Jardine than to take him .Maybe at the -130 range but not over -200

[SPX]

I probably wont even bet it but I think theres way more of a argument NOT to take Jardine than to take him .Maybe at the -130 range but not over -200

I'm not on him . . . yet.

[poopoo333]

Rampage falls under "last 4 fights". ::praise::

Thiago Silva, too.

I know no one said he doesn't have KO power. Nor did anyone accuse him of being 38.

Thiago Silva was 38 at the time...but he is younger now and that is all that matters.

[doublearmbar]

fuck. Cole.

[Luke]

I probably wont even bet it but I think theres way more of a argument NOT to take Jardine than to take him .Maybe at the -130 range but not over -200

I'm not on him . . . yet.


Dont get me wrong I think Jardine wins but he's lost 4 in a row ,personally I think his chin is gone ,and I think the line is too high.

But I do think he "should" win

[doublearmbar]

Hmm i refreshed this thread and got some weird php errors then windows security essentials detected a trojan. I dont know but you guys might want to scan just in case, it might be me but this was the only site i had open.

[poopoo333]

Dont get me wrong I think Jardine wins but he's lost 4 in a row ,personally I think his chin is gone ,and I think the line is too high.

But I do think he "should" win

I agree.

[MMA_scientist]

What do you think Prangley's record would look like if he fought the same guys Jardine had been fighting?

sideloaded, don't follow me... I am chasing like a damn fool. I might add another bet to recoup the 4u too

[doublearmbar]

Why would i quit following now, I want to make the u's back too. lol.

[SPX]

Fuck it!

My balls. I just grabbed them.

4u on Soko to win 1.1u

[doublearmbar]

I just hope Soko bank account isnt full of money for the dive.

[SPX]

I just hope Soko bank account isnt full of money for the dive.

He's gonna take a dive like Timmy against Pudz.

[poopoo333]

What do you think Prangley's record would look like if he fought the same guys Jardine had been fighting?

14-10

[doublearmbar]

I just hope Soko bank account isnt full of money for the dive.

He's gonna take a dive like Timmy against Pudz.
::swifty::

[SPX]

::swifty::

You had to be there. . .

[Luke]

What do you think Prangley's record would look like if he fought the same guys Jardine had been fighting?






15-8

[Luke]

Hey doublesideloaded is that your sister in your avatar?

[MMA_scientist]

fuck. Cole.

what happened in the Rosa/Cole fight?

[MMA_scientist]

guess what?

4u on Larson @ -190

[MMA_scientist]

Me? Oh, just committing bankroll suicide.

[poopoo333]

Me? Oh, just committing bankroll suicide.

*Is tempted to pull out the graph you showed me the other day about my bank roll*

[SPX]

what happened in the Rosa/Cole fight?

Close fight, but the judges gave it to Rosa.

[doublearmbar]

Yeah thats my step sister luke.

[MMA_scientist]

Me? Oh, just committing bankroll suicide.

*Is tempted to pull out the graph you showed me the other day about my bank roll*

I need a 12 step program.

[doublearmbar]

3u on Larson.

[zY|]

Damn the free stream is still on?

[Luke]

Yeah thats my step sister luke.


you're a liar

[SPX]

Damn the free stream is still on?

Did you leave . . . and . . . go do something else?

[poopoo333]

http://pro-streams.com/

channel 3

[SPX]

Stream:

http://pro-streams.com/

Channel 2

[zY|]

Damn the free stream is still on?

Did you leave . . . and . . . go do something else?

Guilty as charged. I'm also trying to watch 4 football games so this is rather difficult.

[Luke]

[quote="zY|":3jqlkg9s]Damn the free stream is still on?

Did you leave . . . and . . . go do something else?

Guilty as charged. I'm also trying to watch 4 football games so this is rather difficult.[/quote:3jqlkg9s]


::lmao:: Now you see why its so hard for me to pay attention on thursdays and I never know whats going on in Bellator

[SPX]

Fuck football.

And if you're missing the Don Frye commentary then that's a really bad thing.

[SPX]

"Paul Daley returns in his first fight since being cut by the UFC."

LOL

[Luke]

"Paul Daley returns in his first fight since being cut by the UFC."

LOL


Out of country fights must not count.

[SPX]

Out of country fights must not count.

That's because no one counts except America.

[zY|]

Out of country fights must not count.

That's because no one counts except America.

Goddamn right.

In that case, I guess Paul Daley doesn't count at all.

[Svino]

Well, my internet went out, didn't get it back on until the prelims were over. Happy with the results though.

[SPX]

The fact that they're airing this fight better not mean that we get to the main event and they run out of PPV time or some stupid shit like that.

[doublearmbar]

The fact that they're airing this fight better not mean that we get to the main event and they run out of PPV time or some stupid shit like that.

What?

[SPX]

What?

Don't you remember in the old school UFC days when they would get to the end of their allotted broadcast time and the main event wouldn't get aired on PPV?

[zY|]

LOL at huge Coors Light logo. Brock Lesnar approves.

[doublearmbar]

I watched old UFC's on VHS my shitty ass cable didnt have ppv.

[Svino]

Yeah, I think it was UFC 4 where the dramatic ending to Royce's fight with Severn got cut off. My friends ordered it and got burned.

[zY|]

And the UFC 33 disaster, Zuffa's first PPV.

[SPX]

Yeah, I think it was UFC 4 where the dramatic ending to Royce's fight with Severn got cut off. My friends ordered it and got burned.

I think there was at least one more, too. Like an epically big fuck up. For some reason I want to say Tito was involved but I am probably wrong.

[SPX]

And the UFC 33 disaster, Zuffa's first PPV.

This has gotta be what I was thinking of.

[zY|]

And the UFC 33 disaster, Zuffa's first PPV.

This has gotta be what I was thinking of.

Yeah, Tito vs Matyushenko cut off in the middle of the fight.

[Luke]

boxing bet not looking good early spx ::thumbdown::

[zY|]

Look at Larson using Matt Hughes' walkout song. Hope he gets smashed.

[SPX]

boxing bet not looking good early spx ::thumbdown::

Gay

[Luke]

boxing bet not looking good early spx ::thumbdown::

Gay


He's a boxer trying to brawl with a brawler .He's going to get KO'd

[zY|]

Brock Larson looks ALOT like Gray Maynard.

[SPX]

He's a boxer trying to brawl with a brawler .He's going to get KO'd

What round are we in?

[Svino]

Brock Larson looks ALOT like Gray Maynard.

He's not looking so similar in terms of how much he sucks.

[zY|]

Brock Larson looks ALOT like Gray Maynard.

He's not looking so similar in terms of how much he sucks.

Yeah. He's on his back for one.

[Luke]

Boxing bet is done for

Sorry X

[SPX]

Boxing bet is done for

Sorry X

Oh well.

[poopoo333]

I am not paying attention really, it sounds like Larson sucks tonight.

[Svino]

I can't believe how bad Larson looks. It's like he was gassed out before the fight started.

[SPX]

I can't believe how bad Larson looks. It's like he was gassed out before the fight started.

Larson has looked like shit ever since he was pulled from the WEC.

I don't ever seen him win a fight since then. I mean, I know he's won some. But I haven't seen it. If I'm watching, then he loses.

[poopoo333]

2.9u on Daley @-290

I AINT SKURRED

[doublearmbar]

my god have i lost a lot of money tonight. ::baghead:: ::baghead:: ::baghead::

[poopoo333]

LOL at Don Frye making fun of Tito's excuse list.