Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale

[Luke]

Stephan Bonnar vs. Igor Pokrajac set for The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale


http://sbnation.com/e/1433343

[Luke]

Kendall Grove vs Damien Maia

[poopoo333]

Kendall Grove vs Damien Maia

WHAT?!?!? Awesome.

[zY|]

Kendall Grove vs Damien Maia

WHAT?!?!? Awesome.

Yeah that's quality matchmaking right there.

[Ludo]

Who's the jonesin' crack head that came up with that matchup?

[SPX]

An odd matchup for sure.

[zY|]

What's wrong with the matchup? I think it's great.

[Ludo]

Maybe whats wrong with it is Grove's takedown defense leaves plenty to be desired and his long limbs are just begging to be broken by someone who taps blackbelts on the regular.

[zY|]

Lol

You're nuts, junior.

[poopoo333]

Hendricks/Story

http://mmajunkie.com/news/20611/rick-st ... n-card.mma (http://mmajunkie.com/news/20611/rick-story-vs-johny-hendricks-tapped-for-the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale-main-card.mma)

[SPX]

Hendricks/Story

http://mmajunkie.com/news/20611/rick-st ... n-card.mma (http://mmajunkie.com/news/20611/rick-story-vs-johny-hendricks-tapped-for-the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale-main-card.mma)

This is Scientist's cue to come in here and tell us about how Hendricks is going to Dominate and this is another fight on his path to beating GSP and dominating the WW division.

[poopoo333]

Hendricks/Story

http://mmajunkie.com/news/20611/rick-st ... n-card.mma (http://mmajunkie.com/news/20611/rick-story-vs-johny-hendricks-tapped-for-the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale-main-card.mma)

This is Scientist's cue to come in here and tell us about how Hendricks is going to Dominate and this is another fight on his path to beating GSP and dominating the WW division.

Hendricks will beat Story though.

[Mr. IWS]

^^^^^^^^^Tru dat.

I see Hendricks raping and pillaging

[SPX]

I would honestly take Story as a decent dog.

Hendricks has looked good, but not incredible. And Story has proved that he's pretty bad ass himself.

[Havis Jr]

Maia v grove is a joke. Will they give us maia -250??


I like Hendricks. Story is more well rounded, but he didn't start wrestling till he got to college. Hendricks already beat Brenneman (better wrestler then story). How is story going to win? I am going to post rick story v Jake Ellenberger in the vid section later.

That's the only guy Story has beat with better wrestling.

[poopoo333]

Maia v grove is a joke. Will they give us maia -250??

I don't know, let me call Mr. Las Vegas and ask.

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/330.png


Maia -500 ? Sheeesh

[MMA_scientist]

Damn. Kendall getting no respect. I guess I was really delusional, because I thought I could get Maia @ -250.

This card gives me a boner. Maia and Hendricks on the same card for free!

Hendricks is getting too much respect. Foster is a beast, that is a competive fight.

[SPX]

Hendricks is getting too much respect. Foster is a beast, that is a competive fight.

You confuse me, son.

[MMA_scientist]

You confuse me, son.

How is that?

[SPX]

How is that?

Hendricks will one day beat GSP, but he's getting too much respect against Story?

[MMA_scientist]

Hendricks will one day beat GSP, but he's getting too much respect against Story?

I just said that he has the style that is most likely to beat GSP of anyone in the near future. I said I would still make GSP at least -225. I just think his style of fighting forces you to brawl. You can't hold him down, he can take you down, he swings for the fences. I think mixing it up and creating variables is the only way to beat GSP right now. Hendricks takes guys out of their control zones and out of rhythm.

But I am realistic too. Hendricks lost the first round against Brenneman (who is pretty good though), he also nearly lost to Grant. I wouldn't make him a 4:1 favorite over a guy who is better than or eqial to both those guys. Story is kind of a bad ass if you didn't notice. I think Story would give any welterweight trouble.

[MMA_scientist]

pissballs. I just realized this is the same night as SF with Roger. Maia vs. Roger, - I loathe the UFC and their counter programming.

[sbjj]

Wow! really surprise at the line on Story. I do not think he should even be +140 or +150.

[MMA_scientist]

Wow! really surprise at the line on Story. I do not think he should even be +140 or +150.

Yeah, Story is a great bet at that line. I don't have Bodog, but if I did, I would be on him.

[SPX]

If that line holds until I get home, I will be on Story.

[zY|]

Damn.

I think Story is going to win straight up.

[SPX]

Damn.

I think Story is going to win straight up.

Elaborate on that. . .

[zY|]

Damn.

I think Story is going to win straight up.

Elaborate on that. . .

Nothing really specific, but just like Scientist said, he's kind of a badass. He's been more impressive to me than Hendricks. He made a fight of it with Hathaway, who has absolutely mauled everyone else. I'm not saying it's a lock or anything, but the odds are WAY off. Should probably be a pick-em imo.

[sbjj]

[quote="zY|":f914ua4y]Damn.

I think Story is going to win straight up.

Elaborate on that. . .

Nothing really specific, but just like Scientist said, he's kind of a badass. He's been more impressive to me than Hendricks. He made a fight of it with Hathaway, who has absolutely mauled everyone else. I'm not saying it's a lock or anything, but the odds are WAY off. Should probably be a pick-em imo.[/quote:f914ua4y]

I agree.

[edman5555]

Story is good but the wrestling difference is pretty big and Hendricks Knocks out more than 50% of the guys he fights. The line is not worth it.

[zY|]

Story is good but the wrestling difference is pretty big and Hendricks Knocks out more than 50% of the guys he fights. The line is not worth it.

I'm not sure Hendricks has ever knocked out anybody. His 2 finishes in the UFC were both bad stoppages.

[SPX]

.5u on Story at +285

I'm actually amazed that that line held until I got home.

[Luke]

.5u on Story at +285

I'm actually amazed that that line held until I got home.


Cant you place bets on your phone?

[SPX]

Cant you place bets on your phone?

Not at Bodog. My phone gets all fucked up when I have to log into secure sites.

[Luke]

Cant you place bets on your phone?

Not at Bodog. My phone gets all fucked up when I have to log into secure sites.


Oh I was just wondering . I've placed many bets at 5dimes and matchbook on mine. Sometimes matchbook is a little slow but it always goes through

[SPX]

Oh I was just wondering . I've placed many bets at 5dimes and matchbook on mine. Sometimes matchbook is a little slow but it always goes through

Bookmaker and Sportsbook have a special text-only mobile site that I can use, but Bodog is gay like that.

[MMA_scientist]

Story is only +190 on 5dimes.

I was just getting ready to bet him @ +260... then I saw that he is only +190. I haven't funded my Bodog account in at least a year. But I might have to do it here... because there is an arb opp on the board right now. Hendricks is -250 @ 5dimes and Story is +260

I think Story SHOULD be about +170, I don't actually think he will beat Hendricks. But I would not be surprised at all. The one thing that concerns me is his fight with Osipczac. After seeing Nick in his last fight (which I bet mostly because he was so competitive with Story), I know for sure that Hendricks can decide where to take the fight. He doesn't use his wrestling that much, but there is no way he will be getting held down of gnp'd by Story. Story will have rock him and finish him or just outstrike him.

[Luke]

Dave Branch vs. Rich Attonito set for The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale

http://bit.ly/c9XicU

[poopoo333]

So what do you guys think about this guy's fight?

http://i50.tinypic.com/4j9s40.jpg

[MMA_scientist]

^ I think Bonnar will win a decision. I think it will be close and ugly.

This card is shaping up nicely.


You can usually get some good opportunity on the TUF finales. Some of my best cards have been TUF finales.

Maia will win. At this point, I think Maia can beat him standing. Every other fight is hard to call for me.

Hendricks/Story is good, I think Hendricks will win, but Story has (had) the value.

Bonnar/Igor is close too.

I think Branch will beat Attonito. Branch is good and I still think he will make a decent MW in the UFC.

I think Toner will beat Garcia. And I will probably be making my tri-annual bet on Paixao (I have been riding that wave all of 2010).

I am guessing the final will be Brookins/Nam. Brookins will probably be favored a lot.

[Luke]

Leonard Garcia out, Ian Loveland in against Tyler Toner for Dec. 4 TUF 12 Finale

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[edman5555]

^ I think Bonnar will win a decision. I think it will be close and ugly.

This card is shaping up nicely.


You can usually get some good opportunity on the TUF finales. Some of my best cards have been TUF finales.

Maia will win. At this point, I think Maia can beat him standing. Every other fight is hard to call for me.

Hendricks/Story is good, I think Hendricks will win, but Story has (had) the value.

Bonnar/Igor is close too.

I think Branch will beat Attonito. Branch is good and I still think he will make a decent MW in the UFC.

I think Toner will beat Garcia. And I will probably be making my tri-annual bet on Paixao (I have been riding that wave all of 2010).

I am guessing the final will be Brookins/Nam. Brookins will probably be favored a lot.


What makes you think that Branch will win? What if Attonito puts him on his back every round? He did it to Rafael Natal, a BJJ BB with 7 sub wins.

[Havis Jr]

^^ This is how I see it going down also. Rich will win with takedowns. He trains with ATT, and has already shown he can hang with really good bjj guys without getting subed.

[MMA_scientist]

What makes you think that Branch will win? What if Attonito puts him on his back every round? He did it to Rafael Natal, a BJJ BB with 7 sub wins.

I don't think Attonito will be able to put him down and keep him down. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Branch take Attonito down. I think Branch also has the striking edge. Basically, I just think Branch is a better fighter. Attonito also lost a round to Natal, and he was 1 flurry away from losing round 1 in that faight too. I just don't think Attonito is very good, while I think Branch is a solid MW gatekeeper type. That said, I thought Branch was going to beat Harris too, so take it for what it is worth...

[poopoo333]

I need to watch all the TUF episodes.. I didn't watch this season.

[MMA_scientist]

Maia prayer vigil still going strong: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/maia- ... l-1037892/ (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/maia-prayer-vigil-1037892/)

War jiu jitsu jesus

[poopoo333]

Grove via triangle

























http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/13/75378-TrollFace.png

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Grove nearly subbed Almeida fwiw. He also came pretty close to locking up Munoz in a darce IIRC. It could happen.

Maia by RNC rd 2.

not Grove by knees from the clinch.

But seriously, I don't see how Grove can win.

[SPX]

You gonna be on Maia for this one, Scientist?

[poopoo333]

^^ Grove nearly subbed Almeida fwiw. He also came pretty close to locking up Munoz in a darce IIRC. It could happen.

Maia by RNC rd 2.

not Grove by knees from the clinch.

But seriously, I don't see how Grove can win.

Yeah, I remember that. That armbar was close. I guess I can see Grove keeping Maia at a distance with his reach, but not for 15 minutes.

[MMA_scientist]

You gonna be on Maia for this one, Scientist?

I have him rounding out a Davis/Maia parlay.


his line has dropped into bettable territory now though. He is -360, and I seriously do not see a path to victory for Grove here. I think Grove's best bet is to try to take top position and gnp. Maia is content to work off his back, but everyone is scared to go down with him. It took him 2.5 rounds to sub McDonald, and it took him a long time to sub Herman too. I think there is a good chance Grove can avoid the submission. If he gets some takedowns, he could concievably win a decision. I doubt he will hurt Maia standing and I doubt he can stop the takedowns. So I think the chances are slim that he will willingly roll the dice and try to win a grappling match and it is just not how Grove fights, but I think that is his best option honestly.

[zY|]

Maia prayer vigil still going strong: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/maia- ... l-1037892/ (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/maia-prayer-vigil-1037892/)

War jiu jitsu jesus

This thread was created right before Nate sent him into orbit. The jinx is in.

Grove by 6'6" murderous knees in the clinch.

[MMA_scientist]

Grove by 6'6" murderous knees in the clinch.


Grove will be a-scared to clinch, just like Anderson. Anderson probably could have put him away with knees, but he didn't want his limbs any where within reach. Maia will put him down if he tries to clinch IMO. I am more concerned about a jumping knee or some freak thing because Grove can get into crazy exchanges. But not that worried, because Maia can take it like a champ. I seriously doubt Grove will be putting him away. And since he really can't win a decision either... Maia is going to win.

SPX, I read Maia was all kung fu and karate back in the day, also he has a journalism degree (I am trying to turn you).

[edman5555]

Grove can hit punch pretty hard though can't he? I thought he dropped Munoz with a punch, not that Munoz is Mr. Technique or anything. I think Maia will also, I am just not sure whether he will get a sub or win a D. Another point of note, Maia is getting better everywhere. I seriously think so. He outwrestled Miranda pretty well, and he was a decorated Greco Roman wrestler. His striking is looking better. Is it just me or does it seem like is working really hard and getting better in all areas? I am thinking that the Anderson Silva fight embarrassed him.

[MMA_scientist]

^ I think he always had good wrestling. He comes from a judo base as well. I think he was just unable to close the distance on Silva, so I think he started working on his shot and head movement. His hands have clearly improved and everyone says he hits surprisingly hard. Even Silva said he got rocked by a punch early on and that is why he didn't want to risk it.

Maia is actually pretty damn intense... by far the most intense "jj guy" I have met. He is definitely putting in the time and trying to be a full on mma fighter now.

As for Grove's power, I didn't think he had much. He did drop Munoz with an uppercut... but Munoz did what he does and just clung to his leg and let Kendall hammer away at his head.

But I guess Grove's wrestling is better than I thought, because Munoz was having a hard time getting and keeping him down. Maybe Kendall will be able to stuff Maia's takedowns and win striking decision.

[MMA_scientist]

Grove/Maia goes the 3 round distance -140
Fight does not go the distance +100

Story/Hendricks goes the 3 round distance -130
Fight does not go the distance -110

Pok/Bonnar goes the distance +115
Fight does not go the distance -155

[poopoo333]

I like the Bonnar/Igor decision prop

[SPX]

SPX, I read Maia was all kung fu and karate back in the day, also he has a journalism degree (I am trying to turn you).

Source?

[SPX]

My thoughts on Maia/Grove:

First, it's worth noting that Grove has only been submitted once in 19 fights, and that was 5 years ago. Granted, he hasn't fought a BJJ guy like Maia, but it's something to consider. Most of his losses have come by KO, and we know that Maia's not KOing anyone. With that said, Maia's striking has obviously improved and it's at least functional now.

Second, Grove's wrestling is pretty good. Everyone's struggled to get him down. He has those long legs and can just sprawl out and be like fuck you and then guys have to work real hard get him off his feet. Seeing how well a similar strategy worked for Dan Miller, I'm not overly confident that Maia's just gonna come in and get a takedown. He may get it eventually, but precious minutes might fall off the clock before he does.

Now, I think we all know that Grove has about as good of a shot of subbing Maia as Maia has of knocking Grove out. That is, not much. So I think there are two likely possibilities here: Maia makes the decision to turn this into a grappling war and follows that plan to its conclusion, eventually getting Grove down and either subbing him or winning a decision. Or it ends up staying on the feet and turning into mostly a striking battle, a lot like Maia/Miller, and if that happens I think it could go either way.

So I do favor Maia, but I wouldn't feel comfortable about betting him until the line got down to at least -300, if not better.

[Mr. IWS]

I think the combination of Grove's long limbs, and Maia's sub game, its a recipe for disaster.

Chael has some solid wrestling, and maia had that nigga twisted up like a twizzler.

[MMA_scientist]

Source?

I have read it before, but it is on wikipedia.

Maia has managed ot get every one down (except Silva) including several accomplished wrestlers in Herman, Sonnen, and Miranda... and a very good wrestler in Miller. His gameplan was to strike with Miller for whatever reason (or so he said). Kendall does have underrated wrestling, but so far, all who have tried have gotten him down, iirc.

Kendall is well rounded though and I don't think it is an easy fight by any means. I have sold Kendall short several times and always get the ass end of it. I think if Maia can get him down and keep him there for any length of time, he will eventually catch him. But It could easily go to a decision.

[edman5555]

Yeah I was thinking with those long ass arms and legs he would catch something but then I thought of Roger Gracie.

[Ludo]

Gracie is also a very accomplished grappler whereas Grove, while being a jack of all trades due to his length and height, is a master of none. On the ground Maia turns him into Hawaiian ground chuck.

[Thewiseman]

4u on Maia @-350
Story .6u @ +180

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah I was thinking with those long ass arms and legs he would catch something but then I thought of Roger Gracie.

True and Roger has never been subbed. Also, he is much broader that Grove...

But Maia doesn't go after limbs that much. He only has one submission via non-choke. Even in his bjj matches he goes after the choke. A lot of bjj guys believe that chokes are superior techniques to limb locks (because it requires more strength and also because a choke ends the fight 100% of the time, a hyperextended elbow may not even be felt until hours later).

[MMA_scientist]

1u on Grove wins via decision @ +503 (hedge against my Maia parlays)

[MMA_scientist]

If anyone cares:

1003 Pokrajac/Bonnar goes 3 round distance +115
8:00PM 1004 Fight won't go 3 round distance -155
Sat 12/4 1005 Pokrajac wins inside distance +346
8:00PM 1006 Not Pokrajac inside distance -517
Sat 12/4 1007 Pokrajac wins by 3 round decision +464
8:00PM 1008 Not Pokrajac by 3 round decision -790
Sat 12/4 1009 Bonnar wins inside distance +139
8:00PM 1010 Not Bonnar inside distance -179
Sat 12/4 1011 Bonnar wins by 3 round decision +215
8:00PM 1012 Not Bonnar by 3 round decision -295
Sat 12/4 1013 Pokrajac/Bonnar draw +8000
8:00PM 1014 Fight not a draw -21500

Sat 12/4 1103 Grove/Maia goes 3 round distance -140
8:00PM 1104 Fight won't go 3 round distance +100
Sat 12/4 1105 Grove wins inside distance +571
8:00PM 1106 Not Grove inside distance -1112
Sat 12/4 1107 Grove wins by 3 round decision +503
8:00PM 1108 Not Grove by 3 round decision -907
Sat 12/4 1109 Maia wins inside distance +162
8:00PM 1110 Not Maia inside distance -212
Sat 12/4 1111 Maia wins by 3 round decision +123
8:00PM 1112 Not Maia by 3 round decision -163
Sat 12/4 1113 Grove/Maia draw +6000
8:00PM 1114 Fight not a draw -15000

Sat 12/4 1203 Story/Hendricks goes 3 round distance -130
8:00PM 1204 Fight won't go 3 round distance -110
Sat 12/4 1205 Story wins inside distance +397
8:00PM 1206 Not Story inside distance -597
Sat 12/4 1207 Story wins by 3 round decision +363
8:00PM 1208 Not Story by 3 round decision -547
Sat 12/4 1209 Hendricks wins inside distance +184
8:00PM 1210 Not Hendricks inside distance -264
Sat 12/4 1211 Hendricks wins by 3 round decision +170
8:00PM 1212 Not Hendricks by 3 round decision -230
Sat 12/4 1213 Story/Hendricks draw +6000
8:00PM 1214 Fight not a draw -15000

[SPX]

1u on Grove wins via decision @ +503 (hedge against my Maia parlays)

If he wins, I do have to believe that that's the way he does it.

[poopoo333]

"Even some of my closest friends, when I told them who I was fighting, they were like 'oh (Demian) Maia, oooohhh'. That kinda pisses me off, and what a lot of people don’t know is that I asked for this fight."

"The secret is letting go. I’m taking this seriously and I’m confident in what I have. Two, three months is not gonna put me on the same level of jiu-jitsu as Demian Maia, so why am I gonna let that get in my head? It’s a fight and we start standing. Obviously he’s been working on his standup, he’s got great wrestling, and unbelievable jiu-jitsu, some of the best in the sport. Look, he made Anderson Silva fight cautious, and he went five rounds with him. But I’m gonna go out there and I’m gonna fight because that’s my reputation. I’m gonna put on a good show in victory or defeat."

"I’m just having fun, enjoying my time here, and I’m living my dream. I’m getting to fight one of the UFC’s top ten middleweights, and I can’t ask for anything more."

[MMA_scientist]

I like Kendall, I like his attitude. But I just think he is in over his head here. Maia is the best fighter that Kendall has ever faced. I mean, he just won split decision against Reljic and lost to Munoz, and now he wants to fight a top 5 MW? Spunky.

[SPX]

Maia is actually pretty damn intense... by far the most intense "jj guy" I have met.

Maia v Jacare

Who takes it?

[MMA_scientist]

Maia v Jacare

Who takes it?

In MMA, I think Jacare would beat him in a 3 rounder.

In bjj, even though Maia has beaten him, I would still favor Jacare.

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/330.png

[MMA_scientist]

Here is everyone's chance on Attonito... + odds. I was hoping to get Branch @ + odds.

Probably going to be taking my ritual bet on Paixao...

here is Garza's elimination bout on TUF. He was also subbed in his last fight by the chinese WEC guy.
http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-vi ... el-johnson (http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-videos/tuf-12-pablo-garza-michael-johnson)

He is mostly a grappler from what I can gather, and Paixao is a much better grappler. But Garza is long so he could win the striking. Still, I think the line is a gift.


does anyone know anything about Loveland?

[SPX]

Weird to see WEC fighters listed for a UFC card.

[MMA_scientist]

Damn, I went to bet on Paixao and he was already down to -160... going to wait now.

[SPX]

Damn, I went to bet on Paixao and he was already down to -160... going to wait now.

Not everything's about you, Scientist!

[MMA_scientist]

Not everything's about you, Scientist!

Why do you want to hurt?

[edman5555]

On the flip side Rich Attonito is looking pretty good. Why do you think Branch should win again Scientist?

[edman5555]

Anyone know how the MMA awards are decided? Is it from online votes by any chance?

[MMA_scientist]

I think Branch has more tools, is a better grappler, better striker, and the takedowns will be comparable. Branch was doing pretty well with Harris until the slam KO. He was losing, but it was competitive. I just don't think Attonito is as good. But if Branch comes in with the wrong gameplan, I Attonito could totally win a decision.

I think someone said it was an online poll for the awards in the other thread

[edman5555]

I don't know if takedowns will be comparable. Gerald did get Branch down every single round. Attonito is a former D1 wrestler as well, I don't know how good though. BJJ advantage obviously goes to Branch though. Striking could too, I have no idea.

[edman5555]

Harris is a pretty good wrestler though. I think I may just stay away from this one. I may be changing my betting strategies a bit, though I just placed a bunch of dumb bets on the mma awards. I hope they at least even out.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Degenerate. Who did you take?

[edman5555]

fight of the year Brock Lesnar Shane Carwin. This one got a lot of attention and it probably had the most people watching it. I think that should equal out to more votes.

Sub of the year. Anderson Silva over Chael. who knows who will win

Best media pub of the year. Inside MMA. it was +475. I should not have bet any of this crap.

[edman5555]

My new betting strategy is/should be going heavy on a couple of fights I think are "locks". Like Jon Jones over Ryan Bader and Kenny Florian over Evan Dunham. I can place 10 little bets on diff fights or 2 bigger bets on 2 different fights..I see placing the smaller number of bets as the best idea because I am putting everything in the bets that I feel most confident in.

[SPX]

My new betting strategy is/should be going heavy on a couple of fights I think are "locks". Like Jon Jones over Ryan Bader and Kenny Florian over Evan Dunham.

I'm with you on Jones, but I think going heavy on Florian could come back to fuck you. My view on that fight is that the right play is whoever comes in as a dog.


I can place 10 little bets on diff fights or 2 bigger bets on 2 different fights..I see placing the smaller number of bets as the best idea because I am putting everything in the bets that I feel most confident in.

I hear you, but this strategy just backfired on me with Machida over Rampage.

[MMA_scientist]

Edman, basically doing an anchor system... a lot of people bet this way.

For me 2011 is the year I get serious. It was supposed to be 2010, but I had 2 or 3 times I lost it and went crazy chasing. I still had an ok return for the year (about 50%), but I have made a comeback lately to mitigate the damage I did on the Sharkfights debacle and I did some stupid shit along the way (all in on lil Nog) that just happened to go my way.

I am still experimenting with my parlay project, but if I lose my bankroll I have set aside for that, that's it. But so far, I sort of believe in the magic parlays. Trying to be picky about my bets and just be patient. But, it is on.

[SPX]

I am still experimenting with my parlay project, but if I lose my bankroll I have set aside for that, that's it.

Haven't you done that twice already? Once on Soko and again on Hathaway?

[Luke]

I think risking your whole parlay bankroll everytime is going to be a disaster . I mean say you win 15 in a row and lose the 16th you still lose everything .

Thats why I bet 2-3 fighter parlays to win 1 unit per parlay . Most are around -150

[MMA_scientist]

I am still experimenting with my parlay project, but if I lose my bankroll I have set aside for that, that's it.

Haven't you done that twice already? Once on Soko and again on Hathaway?

Two separate things. I lost the never ending parlay bankroll on Soko. It died there. But then I created a 10u bankroll for parlays (40u for regular plays) as part of the recovery from trauma plan. I lost 5u of that on Hathaway and a bunch of boxers, but I have won several other parlays, and the project bankroll is up well over 10u now. So it lives on. It gets taken down after every 5u and multiplies. I can't remember all of them, but Faber/Davis and the props ones were part of it. I also had several smaller test runs that I never posted (I actually have BJ/Munoz/Davis/Maia rounding out Saturday too, just for like 20 bucks though testing the strategy).

See it here for reference: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=8388&start=120 (http://investwithsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=8388&start=120)

[MMA_scientist]

I think risking your whole parlay bankroll everytime is going to be a disaster . I mean say you win 15 in a row and lose the 16th you still lose everything .

Thats why I bet 2-3 fighter parlays to win 1 unit per parlay . Most are around -150

yeah, I stopped doing it that way, I lost all of it on Sokodjou (even though that fight was not something I would have even considered for the parlay without the tilt). I may revive the never ending parlay at some point when I am doing better... but I got my ass kicked doing some dumb stuff and gave away like 40u, so I am still re-building from the tilt fueled binge I went on. I am trying to build the parlay bankroll into a full bankroll to compete with my regualr bankroll. I am doing a lot of 2-3 fight parlays and a lot of magic prop parlays.

[Luke]

. I am doing a lot of 2-3 fight parlays and a lot of magic prop parlays.


good idea imo

[edman5555]

My new betting strategy is/should be going heavy on a couple of fights I think are "locks". Like Jon Jones over Ryan Bader and Kenny Florian over Evan Dunham.

I'm with you on Jones, but I think going heavy on Florian could come back to fuck you. My view on that fight is that the right play is whoever comes in as a dog.


I can place 10 little bets on diff fights or 2 bigger bets on 2 different fights..I see placing the smaller number of bets as the best idea because I am putting everything in the bets that I feel most confident in.

I hear you, but this strategy just backfired on me with Machida over Rampage.




Well I am trying to stay clear of betting the dog in close fights unless it is for a small amount of money. Why risk anything significant on a fighter unless you think he is going to win? My reasoning for betting Kenny is that he is a much better standup fighter than Dunham, I think he will pick him apart actually. Dunham's wrestling isn't really that special from what I have seen, I wouldn't be suprised to see Kenny take him down.I am just hoping for a good line. I think Kenny will be favored but I am not sure which way the line will move.

Do you guys mind taking a little poll?

Do you think Dunham wins or Kenny? If you had to pick.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Florian. But it is extremely close IMO

[SPX]

I'm actually going with the upset. Dunham. But I agree with Scientist that it's close and could go either way.

[Luke]

I'm taking fightmetric's stance on all close fights : It will be a draw

[SPX]

I'm taking fightmetric's stance on all close fights : It will be a draw

Honestly, we should probably have more draws.

[poopoo333]

Every one of Kongo's fight is worth a bet on the draw prop. It's -750 that he does something illegal so it just depends on the ref.

[Mr. IWS]

I would go Florian in that one.

[MMA_scientist]

Any thoughts on Brookins vs. Johnson in the finals? I thought Nam won, but damn Koscheck is an ass. Koscheck calling guys out for being boring wrestlers now? Did he not see his fight with Daley?

[poopoo333]

Maia via sub +180..hmm

[MMA_scientist]

Magic Parlay:

Not Pokrajac by sub/Not Grove ITD/Not Story by sub
4 to win 1

[poopoo333]

What makes you think that Branch will win? What if Attonito puts him on his back every round? He did it to Rafael Natal, a BJJ BB with 7 sub wins.

Umm, I just got done watching all of Attonito and Branch's recent fights. Attonito didn't get one takedown on Natal. Natal went for a very halfassed TD and ended up on his back in the 3rd round, and Attonito followed him down. Attonito was on top in the first round as well, but it wasn't from a TD, it was from a knockdown.

[poopoo333]

Ok some thoughts about Branch/Attonito:

-Branch had a pretty offensive guard against Harris..which will be different for Attonito compared to Natal. Natal had a very lackluster guard and was using it to stall the majority of the time. Attonito has a loss by armbar from Isidro Gonzalez but I cannot find video so I don't know if it was from the guard or what. Gonzalez has 13 sub wins and 9 sub losses for the record.

-Attonito seems to have some heavy hands, and Branch's chin still hasn't been tested from what I've seen. Attonito takes awhile to get going in the stand up with taller/longer reach opponents (such as Natal and Yager). Branch is taller, but I cannot find Branch's reach.

-Attonito looks to be well conditioned, and Branch was slowing down against Drawl, even in a stalemate of a match up.

-Branch wasn't able to takedown Harris, but Harris is a good wrestler..Branch was able to take down Drawl and control him the entire fight. I am not sure how Attonito will be from his back against Branch, since I've only seen him on his back against Natal (He was taken down easily and recovered from half guard into full guard to close out the first round).

-Branch was throwing a good amount of kicks against Harris, and Attonito was getting a little susceptible to kicks from Yager and Natal.

-Branch landed most of his TDs against Drawl from the fence, when they were on the feet his TDs were pretty slow, uncommitted, and telegraphed (Like Natal's against Attonito)

So with some random shit out of the way, I think this fight is going to be pretty close, and Branch has the edge on paper. I think the stand up is close, and I think Branch is the better grappler. I just don't know if Branch can put it together in a fight to make it effective against Attonito.

Thoughts?

[edman5555]

Really? Damn I didn't even watch it. I assumed he did because he won a Decision and he is a wrestler.

[edman5555]

My thought is no bet.

[MMA_scientist]

Poopoo, I see it pretty much how you do. I think I was underestimating Attonito's hands a little and maybe giving Branch too mush credit for his strikes. BUt I think it is close, edge to Branch because I think he has more tools and could win it standing, by control, or by submission. Attonito could TKO or win a close decision via up and down.

At this point, it is a no bet for me because I think Branch will win, but I do not like his line.

[poopoo333]

Poopoo, I see it pretty much how you do. I think I was underestimating Attonito's hands a little and maybe giving Branch too mush credit for his strikes. BUt I think it is close, edge to Branch because I think he has more tools and could win it standing, by control, or by submission. Attonito could TKO or win a close decision via up and down.

At this point, it is a no bet for me because I think Branch will win, but I do not like his line.

Yep, same here. The old poopoo from 2 days ago (December 1st=poopoo's stray away from being an action junkie) would have bet Branch already to win a unit. But the new poopoo is staying away.

But yeah, I basically see the same outcomes as you.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ all grown up. Now if I can just follow suit...

[poopoo333]

^^ all grown up. Now if I can just follow suit...

Yeah let's just say I recently pulled a "no no". I am basically "starting over" after learning my lesson.

[MMA_scientist]

^ what did you do?

[poopoo333]

^ what did you do?

I basically did what you did on shark fights but worse.

[MMA_scientist]

Details, there is nothing to be ashamed of... we are all learning together here.

[poopoo333]

Details, there is nothing to be ashamed of... we are all learning together here.

Basically betting too much on stuff I had no business betting.....college football. Then I made a big bet to chase, lost, chased with a bigger bet, lost, then chased the following day with the same types of bets on nfl. What sucks is that I have been doing decent on nfl with my regular/regular sized bets.

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/330.png



more lines out

[MMA_scientist]

I like Wilkinson and Johnson a lot there. Wilkinson especially. He showed stout TD defense and he just needs to watch out for the McKenzietine.

Brookins doesn't look like he can strike at all. Johnson might have the wrestling to keep it standing. Dana's usual hyperbole might have blown the line up on Brookins.

[MMA_scientist]

After research on Johnson, I think Brookins will beat him. Still the line seems off to me.

[Ludo]

Nam will likely take Garcia out with better cardio and better technical striking, possibly even finish him late when Garcia gasses out.

[edman5555]

Dude I know how you feel. I have won thousands and then lost thousands. Sometimes I get drunk and make bets, I do dumb shit. This is why I am moving towards "Anchor Bets" as Scientists calls them. I am just going to go with fights I feel confident in and only bet on guys I have personally watched fight multiple fights. I bet on fights I have no business betting on sometimes and I talk myself into bets, often chasing.

[Svino]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

[Ludo]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

Should you really be trusting your betting slate to second hand information on a topic you yourself have no interest in?

[Svino]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

Should you really be trusting your betting slate to second hand information on a topic you yourself have no interest in?

I wouldn't say I have no interest in it. I might as well start watching these guys now that they're grouped into the UFC.

[ManBoobKilla]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

Dont know much about Loveland but Toner has some great stand up with a lot of power. Im taking toner rd 1 tko most likely

[zY|]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

I heard an interview with Loveland and he said he's going to win. Hope that helps.

[Svino]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

I heard an interview with Loveland and he said he's going to win. Hope that helps.

I want to hear someone tell the interviewer, "I'll be honest with you; I'm just going to go in there, get my ass kicked, and pick up a paycheck."

[MMA_scientist]

svino, I looked at Loveland myself after no one else would give me any feedback or opinion. It is most likely going to be a kickboxing affair, where Toner has the edge. Toner is the guy that couldn't get cleared to fight because his vision was too bad. Loveland is on a streak, but from what I have gathered he just doesn't have the ability and athleticism that Toner has.

As for whether the line is justified, I don't think so. But then again, I never think the line should be that steep on striking matches. But being that they are little guys, the sudden KO is not as much of an issue.

[poopoo333]

Hendricks is @ -185. If anybody could help me out in the video thread, that would be awesome. I can't find shit/10.

[edman5555]

I just looked at Cody McKenzie's record. Ha

[MMA_scientist]

Poopoo, I couldn't find a single vid. But it is silly how much that line has dropped. I think he opened at like -340?

Edman, McKenizie and Lyle Beerbohm train together, they are the masters of the prayer choke (becoming known as the McKenzie-tine by mat nerds), Beerbohm just put a guy to sleep with it last weekend.

[edman5555]

BeerBohms record is looking pretty good. 12-0 amateur and 15-0 pro. 27-0

[edman5555]

He has beaten some good guys too.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, he beat Shaolin at the SF event I went to (I lost 4u on Shaolin). I don't think he is a top top prospect personally, but he is definitely tough. And he has one of the best nick names in all of mma. That goes a long way

[edman5555]

What do you guys think Groves chances are of upsetting Maia? He has pretty good takedown D and a big reach advantage.

[MMA_scientist]

25%

Grove has good takedown defense sometimes. But then he gets taken down by the same guy he just stuffed. Reljic, Munoz, and Almeida all took him down. He also stuffed those guys some.

I think it will look like the Almeida fight, but more lopsided. Maia is better than Almeida in every way, including being bigger. Almeida has some horrible striking (Hughes dropped Almeida) and Grove never could get anything going... So I don't think he will be hurting Maia. Reljic passed his guard. I think Grove is going to be on the defense the entire time.

Maia is going to walk through him IMO.

[edman5555]

Yeah I was really thinking Maia would sub him but then I hear King MO on MMA Live saying he thinks Grove will win a Decision. My instinct is Maia. He took down Miranda and got his back many times. I see him subbing Grove honestly, I don't do BJJ though. What do you think? It seems like he should be able to grab one of those long ass limbs and crank it.

On another note. Johnny Hendricks has a good looking line.

[MMA_scientist]

King Mo also said that James Toney was a good wrestler and subbed him. At this point, I really think Maia is competitive standing with Grove. Miranda was just balling up and trying not to get subbed the whole time, it really hard to sub a guy that does that, and Miranda is a damn fine grappler in his own right, aside from Maia and Palhares, he is probably the best grappler in that division.

Maia goes for the choke a lot more than he goes for limbs and long limbs are sometimes harder to submit as well, because they are usually more flexible and the leverage point is off where you are used to it being. But he went for several armbars on Miranda. I think it is about 50/50 whether he subs him or wins by decision. I put Maia at about -300 and Grove at about +300. So it is a no bet for me. But Grove by decision is interesting @ nearly +500, because I seriously doubt Grove can stop him.

Aside from all of the technical aspects, Maia is a step up in competition for Grove. He has never fought a top 10 guy, and he has not been looking particularly good lately. He was even talking about retirement not too long ago. SD scored the Grove/Reljic fight for Reljic, FWIW. http://www.sherdog.com/news/r/UFC-116-R ... Play-25286 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/r/UFC-116-Results-amp-Live-Play-by-Play-25286) He is 12-7 overall (but could easily be 11-8). He is 4-4 in his last 8, and could be 3-5. He just is not that good. he gets beat by Munoz, takes a split from Reljic, and loses to Maia-lite, I don't see why he should beat Maia. But he does show flashes...

[edman5555]

Yeah he has some power in his hands and reasonable takedown defense.

[edman5555]

The only good lines on Damien are props. This one is hard. I don't see him knocking out Grove. The sub is a def pos though.

[edman5555]

I am thinking Bonnar might be good bet but I am not sure how good Pokrajac is at wrestling. I know he is a greco roman wrestler, but how good. This is important because Bonnar's main weakness is his wrestling.

[poopoo333]

Just watched Grove/Munoz...Munoz was unable to take Grove down once. Grove ended up on his back in round 2 because he caught Munoz with a knee on a TD attempt, worked for an armbar and Munoz escaped so Grove ended up on his back before getting pounded out... just pointing that out because I think I read Scientist saying Munoz was able to take Grove down.

[MMA_scientist]

You might want to watch round 1 again. Munoz takes him down with a double leg on the first try. Grove got back up after a couple of shots, but still.

[poopoo333]

You might want to watch round 1 again. Munoz takes him down with a double leg on the first try. Grove got back up after a couple of shots, but still.

God damnit you're right. It was quick but Munoz hanging onto Grove's leg for 90% must have taken that out of my mind.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, Munoz was getting his ass kicked for sure. And after the first TD, which only lasted a second, he resorts to his usual technique of clinging to a leg while he gets punched repeatedly.

[Luke]

I am thinking Bonnar might be good bet but I am not sure how good Pokrajac is at wrestling. I know he is a greco roman wrestler, but how good. This is important because Bonnar's main weakness is his wrestling.


That would be nice to know considering Bonnar got outwrestled by a 100 year old Coleman

[Ludo]

Yeah but if it's Greco the shot isn't much of a concern and the shot is the real weakness here. Bonnar does just fine in the clinch.

[MMA_scientist]

MOst of the international wrestlers dont have the top control like Americans do. International wrestling styles (freestyle and greco) barely have any mat wrestling in them. I think Bonnar will be able to get to his feet if he is taken down. Plus Bonnar actually has a really good ground game, which he should use more often.

[Ludo]

MOst of the international wrestlers dont have the top control like Americans do. International wrestling styles (freestyle and greco) barely have any mat wrestling in them. I think Bonnar will be able to get to his feet if he is taken down. Plus Bonnar actually has a really good ground game, which he should use more often.

Except for Kamal Shalorus.

[MMA_scientist]

Except for Kamal Shalorus.

I dont remeber Shalorus ever being on top for any extended period of time. The only fight I can think of that he went to the mat is his fight with Jansen, and he couldn't hold Jansen down at all. Shalorus actually helps prove my theory. He is really good at getting takedowns, not so much at grappling on the mat. It is just not a part of those sports. There is no "riding" in international wrestling. There are no escapes or reversals to speak of... they just get takedowns and then try to lift or roll the guy while the other guy lays on his belly and tries not to get lifted or rolled.

[edman5555]

I am thinking about betting on Bonnar. I think he is a pretty decent fighter and I am getting the impression that Pokrajac is not that good.

[Luke]

When are these weigh ins?

[poopoo333]

When are these weigh ins?

7 est

[poopoo333]

http://i56.tinypic.com/1ymhsg.jpg

Garza towers over Paixao.

[zY|]

LOL you sure that's not Antonio McKee? Looks just like Mandingo.

[Luke]

http://i56.tinypic.com/1ymhsg.jpg

Garza towers over Paixao.



Lol ::lmao::

[Luke]

More pictures please. I posted the strikeforce weighins but missed this one

[poopoo333]

The Hendricks/Story staredown was hilarious. They shook hands and Story did that whole "put your forehead on his forehead and look really mean thing", and Hendricks started laughing at him while Story kept the same facial expression.


http://i52.tinypic.com/14ltv2x.jpg

[Ludo]

Actually Shalorus was on top of Varner for almost half the third round when they fought. I get what your saying, but Kamal was able to keep Varner grounded pretty good and even landed a few good shots from the top. Shalorus is probably a bad example either way because it isn't that he can't hold anyone down if he wants to, he prefers to stand.

[Luke]

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/cody-mckenzie.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/vendetta_07.jpg

[MMA_scientist]

The Hendricks/Story staredown was hilarious. They shook hands and Story did that whole "put your forehead on his forehead and look really mean thing", and Hendricks started laughing at him while Story kept the same facial expression.

Hendricks is hilarious. If and when he ends up getting some spotlight, he is going to garner a following for the shit he says and does.

For me, tomorrow's card is one of the best of the year, simply because there are only 3 guys I really pull for in MMA, and 2 of them are fighting tomorrow. I am glad that Roger got moved off of the SF card, that would have been too much.

[Svino]

LOL at Cody's facial hair. I'm not optimistic about his chances in the UFC, but I'm definitely pulling for him. It'd be awesome if he guillotined Wilkinson.

[poopoo333]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/rich-attonito-dave-branch.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/fredson-paixao-pablo-garza.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/will-campuzano-nick-pace.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/sako-chivitchian-kyle-watson.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/tyler-toner-ian-loveland.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/cody-mckenzie-aaron-wilkinson.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/nam-phan-leonard-garcia.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/johny-hendricks-rick-story.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/stephan-bonnar-igor-pokrajac.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/the-ultimate-fighter-12-finale/jonathan-brookins-michael-johnson.JPG

Grove/Maia staredown not working

[Mr. IWS]

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/cody-mckenzie.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/vendetta_07.jpg


::lmao:: ::lmao:: ::lmao:: ::lmao:: ::lmao:: LMAO!

[poopoo333]

What do you guys think about Phan/Garcia?

[MMA_scientist]

^ I think they both kind of suck, it will probably be a slug fest, but at least Garcia hits hard.

[edman5555]

Anyone else considering a bet on Paixao? How is Pablo Garzas wrestling?

[MMA_scientist]

Garza is stepping on to the big stage for the first time, taking a step up in comp, and he is going to have to win in a different way that he normally does (by avoiding the ground). Garza usually wins by grappling, and he is a solid grappler. But Paixao is better. I posted a vid of Garza on TUF fighting wrestler Michael Johnson on page 5. I think Paixao will be able to get him down, personally. But I do think it will be close.

here's the fight http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-vi ... el-johnson (http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-videos/tuf-12-pablo-garza-michael-johnson)

[Luke]

Anyone else considering a bet on Paixao? How is Pablo Garzas wrestling?


Did you see the picutres? He's 2 foot shorter than Garza

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Yeah I saw it. Pretty funny, but not relevant to me.

[MMA_scientist]

Starting to think Hendricks is worth a bet. He should have the striking edge, wrestling edge, his submission defense is airtight... If he goes to his wrestling, he would win easily. But he won't. Still, he can't be controlled on the mat and sets a high pace. Story has gassed in a couple fights.

[SPX]

^^ Yeah I saw it. Pretty funny, but not relevant to me.

Yeah, you're right, size isn't something you should ever consider in a fight.

[Luke]

^^ Yeah I saw it. Pretty funny, but not relevant to me.

Yeah, you're right, size isn't something you should ever consider in a fight.


::lmao::

[Ludo]

Final Plays:

1u to win 1.6u on Story
2u to win 2.9u on Phan
1u to win 1.5u on Chivitchian

[poopoo333]

Prelims are starting now

[poopoo333]

Round 1 - Referee Josh Rosenthal in the cage for the evening's first fight. Touch of gloves gets us started. Circling early, and Branch moves into the clinch. Small crowd to start, and you can actually hear the broadcasters call in the silence as the two jockey for position. Attonito finally breaks free and moves away. Branch rushes in again, but Attonito sidesteps. Attonito fires a few bombs. A right hand scores, but Branch uses the close range to get a takedown. Half-mount against the cage for Branch. Halfway in. Branch pulls Attonito's head away from the cage and looks for a D'arce choke. Attonito pulls away and tries to stand, but Branch stays on top in half-mount. Branch delivers a few shots from the top. Attonito stands, and Branch goes with him. He locks in a guillotine on the feet. He lets it go as he moves to the ground, but he looks for mount. Attonito spins and scrambles out the back and moves to the feet. Into the clinch again, where the round ends. MMAjunkie.com scores it for Branch, 10-9.

[poopoo333]

Round 2 - Attonito stalk from the center and lands a nice lead left. Branch clinches up again, and delivers a knee to the gut. Branch pushes Attonito to the cage. Attonito lands a nice right hand inside, and the two jockey for the underhooks. Knee inside from Attonito. Branch pushing in. Attonito trying to slide away, but Branch ducks down and scores the takedown. Attonito pops right back up. Slow pace right now. Attonito trying to work free, but Branch slides around to the back. Branch turns in as he lands against the cage again. Two minutes left. Branch ducks down again. Attonito looks for a choke from the front, but Attonito slides out and scores another takedown. Side control for Branch. He spins and looks for mount, though he settles for a half version. Attonito scrambles and again works to his feet, but Branch controls the head and lands a few knees before the bell. MMAjunkie.com awards it to Branch, 10-9.

[Luke]

Branch -160 4.8 units to win 3

[poopoo333]

Branch -160 4.8 units to win 3

Are you looking at anything for tonight?

[poopoo333]

Round 3 - Attonito again in the center. Branch drives in for a takedown. Attonito scrambles when he hits the floor and works back to his feet. Branch takes the back, though Attonito stalls from the front and prevents an advance. Attonito tries to escape from the hold, but Branch scores another takedown and works from his opponent's guard. Branch passes to half-mount and then out to the side. Attonito regains half-guard quickly. Attonito's corner calling for a standup from Rosenthal, but Branch continues to work for position and eventually works to the back as Attonito rolls. He's looking for the choke, but he does take time to posture up and pepper Attonito's head with punches. One minute left, and Branch has both hooks in. Attonito postures and tries to pull out the back. Branch does fall, but he moves immediately back into the clinch. Attonito tries to fire elbows, but it's not going to be enough. The bell sounds, and MMAjunkie.com sees it for Branch, 10-9, and awards him the fight, 30-27.

Dave Branch def. Rich Attonito via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27).

[Luke]

Branch -160 4.8 units to win 3

Are you looking at anything for tonight?


Lawler,Hendo and Bonnar but I'm not sure what I'm going to bet if anything

[edman5555]

Branch wins. Good thing I listened to you guys about Attonito.

[edman5555]

Mma junkie is way quicker than sherdog at updating its play by play. They don't even have R1 up yet.

[edman5555]

I've been thinking about betting Hendricks for a while now too Scientist. I may do it. Then I may bet Maia. Then Bonnar. Maybe I will.

[poopoo333]

Holy crap! Garza really blasts Paixao and kncoks him out seconds into the first round. Unreal knee to the face!!! #MMA #UFC #TUF 2 minutes ago via web

Unbelievable job by referee Steve Mazzagatti diving in. His body blocked Garza from going for ground-and-pound. Stretcher coming into cage. 1 minute ago via web



wow.....


so, the 2 fights I strongly considered betting would have been winners already

[Luke]

^^ Yeah I saw it. Pretty funny, but not relevant to me.

Yeah, you're right, size isn't something you should ever consider in a fight.


Plaxico got Ko'd just a few seconds into the fight by a knee. I guess being a foot shorter does make a difference lol

[poopoo333]

They have a cervical collar on Paixao. He sat up while on the stretcher. They're giving him oxygen too. He looks to be OK less than 5 seconds ago via web





Round 1 - The UFC's first featherweight contest is officiated by Steve Mazzagatti. Paixao takes the center. He shoots in from distance, but the much taller Garza sidesteps and delivers a straight right. Garza working from distance, and he delivers a leaping knee as Paixao moves in. Paixao is out before he hits the floor. Garza pounces with hammerfists, and Mazzagatti dives in to shove him off. Brutal knockout.

[edman5555]

I just threw down about 5u on Johnny Hendricks.

[Luke]

They have a cervical collar on Paixao. He sat up while on the stretcher. They're giving him oxygen too. He looks to be OK less than 5 seconds ago via web





Round 1 - The UFC's first featherweight contest is officiated by Steve Mazzagatti. Paixao takes the center. He shoots in from distance, but the much taller Garza sidesteps and delivers a straight right. Garza working from distance, and he delivers a leaping knee as Paixao moves in. Paixao is out before he hits the floor. Garza pounces with hammerfists, and Mazzagatti dives in to shove him off. Brutal knockout.



^^^ cant wait to see that on TV

[poopoo333]

Campuzano vs Pace next. Campuzano should win this

[SPX]

Plaxico got Ko'd just a few seconds into the fight by a knee. I guess being a foot shorter does make a difference lol

LOL. Plaxico.

Damn, I actually meant to go back and bet that shit but forgot about it.

[poopoo333]

Round 1 - With Pace missing weight on Friday, this fight is a 138-pound catchweight contest. Both fighters trading early. Campuzano seems to be landing a bit heavier, but Pace backs away, changes level and shoots in. The takedown works, and Pace sets up on top. Pace in a very low mount, and Campuzano tries to work to a knee. Pace scoots up a bit, but Campuzano does have his back against the cage. He eventually works up to his feet. Pace stays tight and dumps him right back down. Pace again works to mount. Two minutes remain. Pace stands, and Campuzano uses the moment to stand. Pace immediately back to the bodylock. Pace picks the ankle and drives Campuzano down. Pace slides around to the back and then rolls over to the top when nothing presents itself. Pace just smothering Campuzano. Not the most exciting round, but it's one that's unquestionably for Pace on the MMAjunkie.com card, 10-9.

[poopoo333]

Round 2 - Campuzano takes the center, and his corner implores him to stay there. He lands a few punches and backs away. Pace comes on with a body kick and another to the leg. Campuzano throws a few crisp three-punch combinations. Campuzano slips a right and delivers to the body. Pace covers up and delivers a nice left hand. Paces tries a kick. Campuzano counters over the top. They clinch, and Campuzano is driven into the cage after defending a trip attempt well. Two minutes in, and Pace pulls Campuzano's legs out from under him. Campuzano sits against the cage. He works to his feet, but Pace maintains a bodylock against the cage. Campuzano with a wide base against the cage, but Pace wraps the body and pulls him to the floor again. Campuzano again sits up against the cage. Campuzano reaches under the leg and pulls Pace off to the side. It's enough room to stand, and Campuzano scores his own takedown attempt in the closing seconds. A right hand scores. MMAjunkie.com sees a close one for Campuzano, 10-9, though we won't be surprised if the judges award Pace for top position, though he did nothing with it.

[Mr. IWS]

Two live events tonight. Mayhem in the IWS forum. ::thumbup::

[Mr. IWS]

BRB, checking my daughter for a penis.

We are watching the Ulitmate fighter, she just asked me if I would sign her up for MMA.

Maybe she can fight in that super flyweight divison X was talking about?

[SPX]

^^^ Strawweight!

[poopoo333]

Round 3 - Campuzano comes out swinging. Pace fires back, but Campuzano is doing work early. Crowd loves it. Campuzano slips a right and delivers a counter. Pace circles away. As Campuzano follows, Pace drives in for a takedown. Middle of the cage, but Campuzano posts on the floor with both arms and sits up. Pace tries to move to the back, but Campuzano takes advantage of the scramble and sweeps to the top. Pace pulls guard underneath. Campuzano posturing up with punches and elbows. Pace defending well underneath, but he's certainly absorbing damage. Campuzano stands and dives back in with a punch. Pace pulls rubber guard for a moment, but he lets it go and Campuzano again stands. Another diving punch, and Pace pushes his right leg up around the neck. Campuzano is in tight against the body and in a very precarious position.Corner wants him to pull away as Pace locks up a very tight choke, which Pace creates by not locking up the triangle, but rather pushing down on his own leg and holding a Gable grip around the neck. Campuzano tries to circle to release the pressure, but he's forced to tap with just 27 seconds left.

[Mr. IWS]

^^^ Strawweight!

LOL yeah.

[Luke]

BRB, checking my daughter for a penis.

We are watching the Ulitmate fighter, she just asked me if I would sign her up for MMA.

Maybe she can fight in that super flyweight divison X was talking about?


She's probably a foot taller than Faber or Serra so sign her up ::thumbup::

[Mr. IWS]

She's probably a foot taller than Faber or Serra so sign her up ::thumbup::

LMAO

inb4SPX

[SPX]

She's probably a foot taller than Faber or Serra so sign her up ::thumbup::

I will not allow myself to be provoked by you and your wisecracks tonight.

[SPX]

inb4SPX

Only by seconds. . .

[Mr. IWS]

I will not allow myself to be provoked by you and your wisecracks tonight.
::munch::

[Luke]

^^^^^LOL

[poopoo333]

Round 1 - Referee Herb Dean in charge of the first set of "The Ultimate Fighter 12" contestants to enter the cage. Watson kicks to the body then offers a hew to the legs. Into the clinch, and Chivitchian circles off and pushes Watson into the cage. He reverses quickly and fires a knee to the body. Watson grabs a high crotch but can't score the takedown. The two continue two jockey inside, They break briefly, but they clinch up again quickly. Watson finally gets a takedown. Chivitchian pops up, but Watson moves to the back and scores another takedown. Chivitchian again up immediately, and he pulls away and delivers a few crisp straights. Watscon answers with knees. Chivitchian really coming alive. Watson shoots in to nullify the strikes and gets another takedown. Chivitchian scrambles up but eats a few shots to the face. Chivitchian pulls away and finds a home for his jab. Watson retreats, and he trades punches with Chivitchian briefly. Watson kicks in the final seconds. MMAjunkie.com scores it for Watson, 10-9, but Chivitchian had some nice moments on the feet.

Rond 2 - Watson opens with a low kick Chivitchian moving in, and Watson lands a counter, but Chivitchian really starting to look comfortable. Watson clinches up. and drives a knee inside. Chivitchian pulls away and takes the center of the cage. Watson with an inside leg kick. Chivitchian works a jab, and he follows it with another. Watson rushes in with a telegraphed takedown, and Chivitchian easily avoids. Chivitchian pushes in against the cage before backing away to reset. Chivitchian has a high kick blocked. Chivitchian fires a wide punch, and a little of the zip is disappearing. Right hand scores inside for Chivitchian. Two minutes left. Watson kicks low and misses a Superman punch. Clinch, and Watson knees to the cup. Chivitchian takes a brief break with Dean's permission, but they're back quickly. Both fighters trade ineffectively and move into the clinch. Chivitchian circles and drives Watson into the cage. Chivitchian tries a hip toss in the closing seconds. Watson avoids it and takes the back. Round ends, and MMAjunkie.com sees it for Chivitchian, 10-9.

[poopoo333]

Round 3 - Chivitchian opens with a few straight punches, and the pop is back for now. Watson fakes a low kick and lands square on the chin. Chivitchian moving forward. Watson ducks for a takedown and grabs the legs, but he can't finish it. Traded low kicks. Chivitchian lands a short right. Watson working to counter, but Chivitchian has the best strikes right now. Watson clinches up and scores a takedown, but it falls on the side, and both fighters leap up immediately. Chivitchian with a low kick that staggers Watson. Both fighters moving the head well and searching for openings. Two minutes remain. Chivitchian walks into a counter. Watson kicks high again. Watson clinches up and tries for an outside trip, but Chivitchian retreats to the cage and stays upright. Chivitchian circles away and lands a short right hand. Hands traded inside before Watson retreats and resets. Watson kicks the body, but Chivitchian drives in a few more punches in the closing seconds. Another close round, but MMAjunkie.com gives it to Watson, 10-9, and gives him the fight, 29-28.


Kyle Watson def. Sako Chivitchian via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28).

[poopoo333]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

Not really, Loveland has value.

oh and...

Ian Loveland def. Tyler Tone via unanimous decision (30-27, 29-28, 30-26).

[Luke]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

Not really, Loveland has value.

oh and...

Ian Loveland def. Tyler Tone via unanimous decision (30-27, 29-28, 30-26).


::lmao:: poopoo

[poopoo333]

Mckenzie/Wilkinson up next. WAR MCKENZIETINE

[poopoo333]

Cody McKenzie def. Aaron Wilkinson via submission (guillotine choke) - Round 1, 2:03.

starting the night off with a win is good

[Svino]

Do you WEC-followers who like to watch the little dudes have an opinion on the Loveland / Toner odds? Does Loveland deserve to be that much of a dog?

Not really, Loveland has value.

oh and...

Ian Loveland def. Tyler Tone via unanimous decision (30-27, 29-28, 30-26).

LOL. Yeah, guess I should have made that bet.

And go Cody!

[poopoo333]

LOL. Yeah, guess I should have made that bet.

And go Cody!

I was actually going to bet Toner, I am glad I stayed away.

[SPX]

And we're off!

If anyone needs it, there's a great stream here:

http://atdhe.net/28854/watch-the-ultimate-fighter

[poopoo333]

WAR NAM PHAN!

[SPX]

War featherweights in the UFC!

[Mr. IWS]

Wake me up when these straweights are done please.

[poopoo333]

Ok, over/under 15 for telegraphed windmill hooks by Garcia in this fight?

[Luke]

Wake me up when these straweights are done please.

::lmao::

[Mr. IWS]

Ok, over/under 15 for telegraphed windmill hooks by Garcia in this fight?

LOL, was just saying that shit.

[Luke]

Ok, over/under 15 for telegraphed windmill hooks by Garcia in this fight?


Is that just for rd 1 or the whole fight?

[SPX]

Is it just me or has there been like 2 minutes of broadcast time and 10 minutes of commercials?

[Luke]

Nebraska killing Oklahoma good thing I chickened out of betting them ::thumbup::

[Luke]

Is it just me or has there been like 2 minutes of broadcast time and 10 minutes of commercials?


When was the 2 minutes of broadcast time? I must have missed that

[SPX]

Okay, Phan just won me over coming out in a karate gi.

[poopoo333]

Is it just me or has there been like 2 minutes of broadcast time and 10 minutes of commercials?

lol we will probably get to comfortably watch the Strikeforce fights tonight with all of these commercials

[SPX]

lol we will probably get to comfortably watch the Strikeforce fights tonight with all of these commercials

The UFC isn't usually this bad with their TV events.

[zY|]

lol we will probably get to comfortably watch the Strikeforce fights tonight with all of these commercials

The UFC isn't usually this bad with their TV events.

Uhh...

[poopoo333]

10-9 Phan imo

[Luke]

10-9 rd for Cung Le

[zY|]

Nam is going to win all 3 rounds and lose a split decision.

[SPX]

Uhh...

I remember EliteXC events on CBS. . .

[Mr. IWS]

10-9 rd for Cung Le

hahahaha

Funny shit in here the last couple days.

[Mr. IWS]

My wife said, that Pham must not have jerked off before this one. LOL

[Luke]

20-18 Cung Le


Did no one teach Le how to slap a damn choke on?

[poopoo333]

My wife said, that Pham must not have jerked off before this one. LOL

Unaware. I heard a joke similar to this though about Phan. I watched all the fights but didn't have time to watch all of the full episodes of TUF

[SPX]

Shit, I missed whatever it was that rocked Garcia.

[Mr. IWS]

If I see another fuckin Mike Rowe commercial, I'm going to kick my dog.

[Mr. IWS]

My wife said, that Pham must not have jerked off before this one. LOL

Unaware. I heard a joke similar to this though about Phan. I watched all the fights but didn't have time to watch all of the full episodes of TUF

You want me to spoil it?

[SPX]

Did no one teach Le how to slap a damn choke on?

As much as we talk shit about Garcia, he's still been in the game a long time and would kill most FWs. I think Phan was doing fine, but Garcia knew how to defend.

[Luke]

If I see another fuckin Mike Rowe commercial, I'm going to kick my dog.


Kick my dog LMAO ::lmao::

[Luke]

Shit, I missed whatever it was that rocked Garcia.


I think it was a kick or a punch , not sure though

[SPX]

Damn, really wishing I had bet on Phan now.

[SPX]

I think it was a kick or a punch , not sure though

Well that narrows it down.

[Mr. IWS]

I think it was a kick or a punch , not sure though

Well that narrows it down.

LOL

[poopoo333]

[quote="IWS Zak":2tszkzyj]My wife said, that Pham must not have jerked off before this one. LOL

Unaware. I heard a joke similar to this though about Phan. I watched all the fights but didn't have time to watch all of the full episodes of TUF

You want me to spoil it?[/quote:2tszkzyj]

Yeah I doubt I will go back and watch. I may go watch the Koscheck/fat black guy confrontation one though if I get bored. But yeah go ahead

[Luke]

[quote="IWS Zak":3cb4de4d]My wife said, that Pham must not have jerked off before this one. LOL

Unaware. I heard a joke similar to this though about Phan. I watched all the fights but didn't have time to watch all of the full episodes of TUF

You want me to spoil it?[/quote:3cb4de4d]


Yes please explain because I'm lost

[Dr_Ngo]

Garcia must be scared of Asians now, Zombie then Phan!

[Mr. IWS]

Pham was taking these long showers, so they snuck into the bathroom to see what he was doing, with the cameraman, and caught him jerking off in the shower. They could see him doing it because the shower was clear glass.

[SPX]

Oh, Dr. Negro. How nice you to join us.

[Mr. IWS]

Garcia must be scared of Asians now, Zombie then Phan!

LOL