MFC 26

[Mr. IWS]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/331.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

3u on Taylor

I don't think Watson's going to have much for him. He won't be able to defend the takedown and once he's on the mat he won't have the submission skills to threaten Taylor.

I also think Ford will win, but I'm not taking him at that line.

[doublearmbar]

Taylor would be great if -200 or lower, I think -290 is too steep. But best of luck.

[SPX]

Taylor would be great if -200 or lower, I think -290 is too steep. But best of luck.

Watson's only chance to win, I think, is a KO. Maybe a freak sub, but Taylor hung in there for a round and a half with Bustamante before the odd ending to that fight, so I really doubt Watson--predominantly a striker--will be able to catch him with anything.

I don't think Watson would get his KO 1 time in 4. Taylor has actually NEVER been knocked out . . . all losses are by sub. So 1 in 5 is probably a little more like it, if that, so I think there's still value in the line.

[doublearmbar]

You might of changed my mind.

[poopoo333]

Watson is an English boxer. Taylor should win.

2.9u on Taylor @-290

[Havis Jr]

2.9u on Taylor.

[Havis Jr]

Antonio McKee(c) vs. Luciano Azevedo

I kinda like Azevedo +260 as a dog in this fight. Its a 5 rounder, that's a long time to not get subbed. Antonio's nick name is Mr. Decision and has only been subbed once, but the dude is 40 years old. Anyone else think Azevedo has a good chance here?

[poopoo333]

McKee is the guy who is better then GSP, never bet against him.

[SPX]

Anyone have thoughts on Ford/Lima?

I'm thinking Ford via (T)KO, but I don't know a whole lot about Lima and couldn't find a lot of video.

[MMA_scientist]

Lima could sub Ford. Lima is a decent prospect who just need to round out his game... I think he has value, but most likely Ford will overpower him.

http://genghiscon.wordpress.com/2010/09 ... glas-lima/ (http://genghiscon.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/the-prospect-douglas-lima/)

[SPX]

Lima could sub Ford. Lima is a decent prospect who just need to round out his game... I think he has value, but most likely Ford will overpower him.

http://genghiscon.wordpress.com/2010/09 ... glas-lima/ (http://genghiscon.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/the-prospect-douglas-lima/)

Cool, thanks. If he hits +200 then I might drop something small on him.

BTW, you betting on JT$?

[MMA_scientist]

3u on Taylor @ -290
.25 on Lima +190

[doublearmbar]

What are the chances this has a stream?

[SPX]

What are the chances this has a stream?

It's highly likely there will be a stream. MFC comes on HDNet so you can usually find something.

[zY|]

MFC shows on HDnet, so chances are high.

Shine Fights, not so much.

[SPX]

Shine Fights, not so much.

So they actually got sanctioned?

[MMA_scientist]

Can anyone tell me why Heath is favored over Hutcherson? I am thinking about just dropping a value bet there... Neither fighter is good, but Hutcherson actually has better wins and has fought better competition. I think he should be the favorite.

[zY|]

Shine Fights, not so much.

So they actually got sanctioned?

No they're on the damn Indian Reservation, and DirecTV decided not to carry the PPV because they're skeptical the event goes down.

[SPX]

No they're on the damn Indian Reservation, and DirecTV decided not to carry the PPV because they're skeptical the event goes down.

Wow.

I wonder if they survive after this.

[Havis Jr]

.5u Azevedo

[zY|]

Is there anyone worth betting on this card? I'm too lazy to figure out who all these guys are. I only know Mandingo and Taylor.

[SPX]

Is there anyone worth betting on this card? I'm too lazy to figure out who all these guys are. I only know Mandingo and Taylor.

A few of us have money on Taylor, myself included.

Watson is an English striker with limited ground skills. He's not terrible in the grappling department, from what I've seen, but Taylor will outwrestle him all day long and Watson is not good enough to exploit Taylor's poor sub defense. The only out I see for Watson is a KO and I doubt it stays on the feet long enough for him to get it. And even if it does, Taylor has never been KOd.

[zY|]

What line did you take Taylor at? He's like -360 now.

[SPX]

What line did you take Taylor at? He's like -360 now.

3u at -290.

Bookmaker's still got him at that.

[Svino]

What line did you take Taylor at? He's like -360 now.

3u at -290.

Bookmaker's still got him at that.

You guys are probably right, but I watched Watson's win over Horwich and that scared me off.

[SPX]

You guys are probably right, but I watched Watson's win over Horwich and that scared me off.

I think that Taylor's and Horwich's wrestling are two very different types. Taylor using stifling, powerful top control. He's a big strong guy. The only reason guys beat him is because he leaves openings to get subbed. Horwich is not that kind of grappler at all. Also, seeing Taylor go a round and a half with Bustamante and not get subbed and technically win that fight did a lot for me to suggest that Taylor has at least improved his sub defense. I mean, surely he's been working on that.

[Svino]

You guys are probably right, but I watched Watson's win over Horwich and that scared me off.

I think that Taylor's and Horwich's wrestling are two very different types. Taylor using stifling, powerful top control. He's a big strong guy. The only reason guys beat him is because he leaves openings to get subbed. Horwich is not that kind of grappler at all. Also, seeing Taylor go a round and a half with Bustamante and not get subbed and technically win that fight did a lot for me to suggest that Taylor has at least improved his sub defense. I mean, surely he's been working on that.

Watson certainly won't sub Taylor, no argument there.

[Svino]

Can anyone tell me why Heath is favored over Hutcherson? I am thinking about just dropping a value bet there... Neither fighter is good, but Hutcherson actually has better wins and has fought better competition. I think he should be the favorite.

I think the theory is that Hutcherson is weak on the ground and Heath will be able to put him there. Still, Heath isn't all that great and I agree with you that the line isn't justified.

So: 1U on Hutcherson.

[doublearmbar]

mmatv showing shine fights instead?

[zY|]

mmatv showing shine fights instead?

Looks that way. Krazy Horse just got choked the fuck out!

[doublearmbar]

Yeah i thought he was dead for a second.

[zY|]

What the fuck kind of a gongshow is this? Is there no doctor? They just left his carcass in the ring by itself. The ref walked away like oh well, fuck it.

[Svino]

Who do you think will take it, Aurelio?

[SPX]

Damn, I didn't realize this was on. Sucks I missed that.

[zY|]

Who do you think will take it, Aurelio?

LOL. Aurelio peaced out a few days ago.

[Svino]

Who do you think will take it, Aurelio?

LOL. Aurelio peaced out a few days ago.

LOL, shows you how much I've been paying attention.

[doublearmbar]

What the fuck kind of a gongshow is this? Is there no doctor? They just left his carcass in the ring by itself. The ref walked away like oh well, fuck it.
Something tells me these guys would like a death in the ring to up their profile and street cred as a promotion.

[zY|]

Who do you think will take it, Aurelio?

LOL. Aurelio peaced out a few days ago.

LOL, shows you how much I've been paying attention.

Yeah, Shine was trying to fuck him by saying he couldn't fight in DREAM later this month against JZ because he had an exclusive contract or something. So of course he told them to die and lied about an injury.

[SPX]

Hopefully they'll switch over to MFC when the time is right.

[zY|]

Hopefully they'll switch over to MFC when the time is right.

I dunno. I'd kinda rather watch this tournament.

[SPX]

I dunno. I'd kinda rather watch this tournament.

The production value alone makes me want to watch MFC instead. Plus, I have to see Taylor win me money . . . hopefully.

[zY|]

Here you go SPX

http://piczasso.com/i/wwtmr.gif

http://piczasso.com/i/kfh2o.gif

[Svino]

Damn, I think the ring just killed a couple guys.

[zY|]

LMFAO

Gongshow!!!

[doublearmbar]

This is the funniest shit ive ever seen.

[SPX]

Awesome, thanks zY.

[SPX]

LMFAO

Gongshow!!!

You know, I'm really surprised that doesn't happen more often.

[zY|]

Can we please shut the fuck up about MMA being better in a ring, now?

[doublearmbar]

I think shine fights is officially cursed.

[Svino]

Can we please shut the fuck up about MMA being better in a ring, now?

Well, the first 3234 times it happened in MMA didn't shut everyone up...

[zY|]

Can we please shut the fuck up about MMA being better in a ring, now?

Well, the first 3234 times it happened in MMA didn't shut everyone up...

Well, PRIDE always had like 50 japanese guys positioned around the ring to push the fighters back in.

[zY|]

Gugerty getting beat up here, but I don't know what to make of it. You know he's deathly afraid of flying out of the ring again, not to mention he bashed his head on the floor.

[Svino]

I do like the 2-round, 1-round overtime if needed, format.

[zY|]

Haha no fucking way. The ring announcer is Sean Patrick Flannery.

[zY|]

This could not get any better for me right now.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3ZQZsEBeNpI/S3pD2lWSFfI/AAAAAAAABmE/jIlCZUrFzZM/s320/Boondock-Saints.jpg

[doublearmbar]

It's sad when Moosin God of War had better production value

[Ludo]

Whats with the fucking Mike Tysons Punch Out theme song walkout music?

[zY|]

Whats with the fucking Mike Tysons Punch Out theme song walkout music?

What's with the 2 foot walkout ramp?

[SPX]

It's sad when Moosin God of War had better production value

I thought the Moosin production was pretty good, especially for a first-time event.

[SPX]

What's with the 2 foot walkout ramp?

What's with any of this shit?

[Ludo]

I've seen amateur wrestling shows with better production value than this.

[SPX]

Haha no fucking way. The ring announcer is Sean Patrick Flannery.

I heard them mention that earlier. It's awesome. I wonder how the fuck that plan came together.

[zY|]

For anyone who didn't see it, witness greatness

http://piczasso.com/i/jmc3a.gif

[zY|]

Haha no fucking way. The ring announcer is Sean Patrick Flannery.

I heard them mention that earlier. It's awesome. I wonder how the fuck that plan came together.

LOL I have no idea. Apparently he's a BJJ black belt? Who knew?

[doublearmbar]

Is there a Shine FIghts thread?

[poopoo333]

So is a Shine Fights discussion thread now? lolz

[SPX]

LOL I have no idea. Apparently he's a BJJ black belt? Who knew?

Apparently. Along with Al Bundy, the Undertaker, and a whole bunch of motherfuckers.

[zY|]

So is a Shine Fights discussion thread now? lolz
::hijack::

[SPX]

Okay, someone find us a MFC stream.

Everywhere I've looked it all this bullshit,

[poopoo333]

But seriously let's get on finding a MFC stream.

[SPX]

MFC:

http://pro-streams.com/

Channel 2

[SPX]

Trigg announcing.

[zY|]

MFC:

http://pro-streams.com/

Channel 2

LOL I just found that same one.

BTW I hope everyone just saw the SECOND occurance of fighters flying out of the ring.

[poopoo333]

MFC:

http://pro-streams.com/

Channel 2

LOL I just found that same one.

BTW I hope everyone just saw the SECOND occurance of fighters flying out of the ring.

I had it minimized..I hear OVER THE TOP ROPE like it was WWE, LOL

[poopoo333]

http://www.justin.tv/g4tv_5#/w/377747312/3

MFC

[SPX]

I think Ford's going to win, but admittedly I don't know a lot about Lima. Just a couple of vids I found online.

[zY|]

Warfield threw a flying knee and sailed over the top rope, smashing his ribs on the table.

[Ludo]

I don't know which is worse here. The reffing or the fucking ring.

[Svino]

BTW I hope everyone just saw the SECOND occurance of fighters flying out of the ring.

I think the announcers and judges need mats for their desks.

[zY|]

Pro Streams is the shit.

I've got Shine on one monitor, and MFC on the other.

[SPX]

Pro Streams is the shit.

I've got Shine on one monitor, and MFC on the other.

Hell yeah. I bookmarked that shit pronto.

[zY|]

And Kyle Baker goes through the ropes!

So far if you're fighting in this tournament, you have a 66% chance of flying out of the ropes.

[poopoo333]

I hope Mckee loses tonight. I really don't like him at all.

[Ludo]

I think this quells any argument that a ring is good for MMA. FOUR fighters in the last two fights have gone through or over the ropes, two incidents changed the outcome of the fight.

[SPX]

I hope Mckee loses tonight. I really don't like him at all.

It's unlikely, simply because he's pretty good at what he does and never fights anyone that's better than pretty good at what they do. I wish the UFC would go ahead and sign him just so that he could get crushed by . . . pretty much any of the top 10 LWs in the organization.

Or hell, just give him Bendo. That should be enough to earn him an L.

[zY|]

I hope Mckee loses tonight. I really don't like him at all.

No fucking way. Listen to some of his interviews. Mandingo is fucking hilarious.

[poopoo333]

I have never heard his interviews but I always read about his race card playing and how he thinks he can beat the LWs In the UFC easily.

Just by looking at records, I think Lewis will beat Nickels. Who double dog dares me to bet it?

[Svino]

I see they're adding vertical reinforcing ropes to the big ropes. Maybe they can take someone's ear off again.

[zY|]

You ask him a question and he goes on ridiculous over the top rants for like 10 minutes. He was on the Jordan Breen Show yesterday.

I'm glad this dude's pants fell off on MFC just now.

[SPX]

Ha ha, dude's ass was hanging out. . .

[zY|]

BTW

http://piczasso.com/i/9l5pn.gif

[zY|]

I didn't see this one, but


Jordan Breen
Prater kicks. Crunkilton drives. Guess where we're at next? Hint: it's not inside the ring.


Josh Gross
That's three times out the ring in 4 fights. Carlo Prater slammed the back of his head on something. No one checks on him. Fighting again.


Awesome. And Shine is having a 'technical difficulties intermission' now. ::thumbup::

[SPX]

Just by looking at records, I think Lewis will beat Nickels. Who double dog dares me to bet it?

Do it.

[Svino]

Awesome. And Shine is having a 'technical difficulties intermission' now. ::thumbup::

I'm really curious to see if those fighters get paid.

[SPX]

I'm really curious to see if those fighters get paid.

I think if I was a fighter I'd demand payment up front.

Ya'll hear all this shit about DREAM not paying their fighters either?

[poopoo333]

Just by looking at records, I think Lewis will beat Nickels. Who double dog dares me to bet it?

Do it.

Probably will. 5dimes hasn't taken the lines down for the Hutcherson/Heath fight yet so I might make a bet during the fight if anything significant happens :)

Edit: They took the line down.


For the record, I was going to bet on Hutcherson tonight but I decided against it. I hope he loses so I don't feel stupid.

[SPX]

Probably will. 5dimes hasn't taken the lines down for the Hutcherson/Heath fight yet so I might make a bet during the fight if anything significant happens :)

Well?

[poopoo333]

Probably will. 5dimes hasn't taken the lines down for the Hutcherson/Heath fight yet so I might make a bet during the fight if anything significant happens :)

Well?

Reread my post

[Svino]

I like how Hutcherson tried to pass to half-guard there in the re-positioning. I think it was the only time he tried to improve position.

[SPX]

Reread my post

You don't think Hutcherson is worth a bet at this point?

[Svino]

It looks like Hutcherson won the first round, but I think his nose is broken.

[SPX]

It looks like Hutcherson won the first round, but I think his nose is broken.

He definitely won the first round.

[poopoo333]

Reread my post

You don't think Hutcherson is worth a bet at this point?

The line is down!

[zY|]

Reread my post

You don't think Hutcherson is worth a bet at this point?

The line is down!

How dare they!

[SPX]

The line is down!

That was good for you!

[zY|]

Good lord, Hutcherson just got positively slept.

[Svino]

Crap: -1U on Hutcherson.

And I didn't even get to see the shot that took him out cause it was behind the ref.

[SPX]

Sorry, Svino. Hutcherson looked good in the first.

[poopoo333]

Dude...that ref was just chillin after the superman punch, then 4 hard hammer fists later he was like "oh yeah I am supposed to stop this!"

[poopoo333]

0.5u on Lewis @-130

in b4 Nickels wins via sub in round 1

[zY|]

Haha both Crunkilton and Baker won their fights but neither can continue.

Now Prater is taking his place who just fought a war not 10 minutes ago, against the alternate Charlie Brown.

[Svino]

Haha both Crunkilton and Baker won their fights but neither can continue.

Now Prater is taking his place who just fought a war not 10 minutes ago, against the alternate Charlie Brown.

I think this tournament is going to be won by Steve Jennum.

[SPX]

Haha both Crunkilton and Baker won their fights but neither can continue.

Now Prater is taking his place who just fought a war not 10 minutes ago, against the alternate Charlie Brown.

LOL

I guess that's ultimately the farce of tournaments.

[SPX]

I think this tournament is going to be won by Steve Jennum.

Dude, Steve Jennum's awesome. Don't trip.

[zY|]

Charlie Brown could totally Steve Jennum this bitch.

But no seriously, Drew Fickett has it in the bag.

[Svino]

I like listening to the announcers try to explain for 5 minutes why the alternate situation isn't lame.

[SPX]

http://freakingkiddingme.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/a-charlie-brown-christmas.jpg

[zY|]

It seems that they couldn't find Carlos Prater while Brown just sits in the ring waiting.

[poopoo333]

That was easy money lolz

[zY|]

Haha MFC. 2 horrible late stoppages in a row.

[SPX]

Nice fight. LOL at the ref. I rarely call "late stoppage" because I believe in letting fighters recover but you could tell that Nickels had said fuck it after that uppercut.

[SPX]

BTW, what's up with their tats being all blurred out and shit?

[SPX]

That was easy money lolz

Word.

[zY|]

Charlie Brown has Ben Henderson in his corner. He's got this if they ever find Carlo Prater.

[SPX]

Charlie Brown has Ben Henderson in his corner. He's got this if they ever find Carlo Prater.

Shine Fights obviously = Awesome

[Svino]

Charlie Brown has Ben Henderson in his corner. He's got this if they ever find Carlo Prater.

They probably found him in the bathroom, crying his eyes out.

[zY|]

Charlie Brown has Ben Henderson in his corner. He's got this if they ever find Carlo Prater.

They probably found him in the bathroom, crying his eyes out.

I wonder how he'll get paid if he loses twice?

[Svino]

I wonder how he'll get paid if he loses twice?

He'll probably get the same zero dollars and zero cents that all the other fighters get from the promoters.

[SPX]

WAR J. T. FUCKING. MONEY!!!

[zY|]

I wonder how he'll get paid if he loses twice?

He'll probably get the same zero dollars and zero cents that all the other fighters get from the promoters.

Good point. Devin Price and Jason Chambers have apparently already fled the country.

[SPX]

Good point. Devin Price and Jason Chambers have apparently already fled the country.

What?

[zY|]

Good point. Devin Price and Jason Chambers have apparently already fled the country.

What?

It's a joke.

[Svino]

Oh shit guys, you bet against a gorilla.

[SPX]

It's a joke.

Well explain it.

[poopoo333]

I just feel confident by hearing the pre fight interviews. You hear a mentally retarded wrestler talk, then a british guy talk. JT is going to win easy.

[SPX]

You know, I think it's nice to have a gimmick, because even if you're not a great fighter then people will still want to see you because they want to be entertained.

This is why Tom Lawlor will stay in the UFC for as long as possible.

[zY|]

It's a joke.

Well explain it.

They're the CEO and COO of Shine Fights and shady motherfuckers.

[poopoo333]

You know, I think it's nice to have a gimmick, because even if you're not a great fighter then people will still want to see you because they want to be entertained.

This is why Tom Lawlor will stay in the UFC for as long as possible.

I am wondering if he will get cut when he loses to Cote. That will be 3 in a row.

[zY|]

You know, I think it's nice to have a gimmick, because even if you're not a great fighter then people will still want to see you because they want to be entertained.

This is why Tom Lawlor will stay in the UFC for as long as possible.

Meh, it didn't help Gono any.

And Lawlor will be gone if he loses his next one.

[SPX]

They're the CEO and COO of Shine Fights and shady motherfuckers.

I was unaware. What's shady about Chambers? I remember watching him on Human Weapon.

[zY|]

They're the CEO and COO of Shine Fights and shady motherfuckers.

I was unaware. What's shady about Chambers? I remember watching him on Human Weapon.

He's the COO of Shine Fights!

But seriously, he's been lying his ass off about everything about this event.

[SPX]

Meh, it didn't help Gono any.

And Lawlor will be gone if he loses his next one.

English.

[zY|]

Meh, it didn't help Gono any.

And Lawlor will be gone if he loses his next one.

English.

Have you never seen a Gono entrance?

[SPX]

Have you never seen a Gono entrance?

I have.

I'm just saying that English is important, especially in the UFC.

[SPX]

Well as long as Senor Money can just do that for 2 more rounds then all is well.

[zY|]

Have you never seen a Gono entrance?

I have.

I'm just saying that English is important, especially in the UFC.

Oh I thought you meant you didn't know what I meant. Well he speaks great English. So how bout them apples.

BTW

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/539970/jason-chambers.jpg

[zY|]

Haha no fucking way. The indians are having like a seance in the ring or some shit complete with chants and drums. This could not possibly get any better.

[SPX]

Damn, that RNC looked locked in. What the fuck happened?

[Svino]

I don't know if you guys saw the Watson / Horwich fight, but Watson did the same thing with a RNC in that one, too. Horwich had it sunk in deep for like 3 min and Watson just calmly rode it out.

[Svino]

Damn, that RNC looked locked in. What the fuck happened?

I don't think that guy needs blood to his head. He's a freak.

[SPX]

I don't know if you guys saw the Watson / Horwich fight, but Watson did the same thing with a RNC in that one, too. Horwich had it sunk in deep for like 3 min and Watson just calmly rode it out.

I remember that.

What the fuck's up with that shit?

[zY|]

Prater might as well have just stayed in the ring.

[zY|]

http://piczasso.com/i/90wft.gif

[SPX]

^^^ Niggas had to bless that shit.

[Svino]

I guess that's their athletic commission.

[zY|]

Drew Fickett chokes out Carlo Prater to win the tournament. Big surprise.

[SPX]

JT Dinero!!!!!!

Hell yeah, motherfuckers!

[SPX]

Awesome interview.

[zY|]

MFC is fucking clownshoes compared to the greatest event of all time.

[Svino]

JT Dinero!!!!!!

Hell yeah, motherfuckers!

Grats. Yeah, he solidly controlled that fight.

[SPX]

Grats. Yeah, he solidly controlled that fight.

Thanks.

He obviously needs to work on his cardio, though.

[Svino]

Grats. Yeah, he solidly controlled that fight.

Thanks.

He obviously needs to work on his cardio, though.

Yeah, I he wore his arms out going for that choke. Wasn't a problem though, since Watson didn't do much to get it back to the feet. I think he was tired, too.

[poopoo333]

0.286u on Azevedo @+350

[zY|]

Sweet. Shine ends just in time for the McKee fight.

[SPX]

Yeah, I he wore his arms out going for that choke. Wasn't a problem though, since Watson didn't do much to get it back to the feet. I think he was tired, too.

I'd like to see him do that RNC on a normal person. I just want to know if it's a technique problem or not.

[SPX]

Oh shit, this is the one guy to beat Aldo.

[SPX]

I guess the Ford fight's the main event?

[zY|]

Wow McKee just fucked dude up. This shit is OVER.

[SPX]

Damn, McKee finished. Nigga was motivated. He should do that more often.

[zY|]

LOL does the MFC belt look exactly like the UFC belt?

[poopoo333]

+1.1u for the night.

[SPX]

LOL does the MFC belt look exactly like the UFC belt?

It does!

BTW, McKee wants to fight BJ. They should make that happen.

[zY|]

LOL does the MFC belt look exactly like the UFC belt?

It does!

BTW, McKee wants to fight BJ. They should make that happen.

I don't see why they don't bring this guy in to the UFC. I'm honestly curious to see how he would do. And he's got 2 first round stoppages in a row now.

[SPX]

I don't see why they don't bring this guy in to the UFC. I'm honestly curious to see how he would do. And he's got 2 first round stoppages in a row now.

Maybe now they'll start thinking about it.

[zY|]

The last fight he lost was in 03 to Karo Parisyan.

[poopoo333]

I hope Lima wins

[SPX]

The last fight he lost was in 03 to Karo Parisyan.

Eliot Marshall

That's my only response.

[SPX]

I hope Lima wins

I would hope that . . . if I had money on Lima.

But I don't. And I think Ford will TKO him.

[zY|]

The last fight he lost was in 03 to Karo Parisyan.

Eliot Marshall

That's my only response.

ok.

I kinda wish you'd clarify that though.

[poopoo333]

I hope Lima wins

I would hope that . . . if I had money on Lima.

But I don't. And I think Ford will TKO him.

Well I know Scientist is on Lima so gotta root for the IWS member haha


But Ford will probably win because his walk out song was WAY better than Lima's.

[SPX]

ok.

I kinda wish you'd clarify that though.

I'm just saying that the UFC doesn't want boring fighters.

Obviously they'll do anything they can to get rid of one when they have him, so they're for damn sure not going to willfully bring one in.

[SPX]

Well I know Scientist is on Lima so gotta root for the IWS member haha


Didn't realize that.

Hmm . . . my own analysis Vs Scientist's money. . .

I'll call it even. I'll be happy whoever wins.

[zY|]

ok.

I kinda wish you'd clarify that though.

I'm just saying that the UFC doesn't want boring fighters.

Obviously they'll do anything they can to get rid of one when they have him, so they're for damn sure not going to willfully bring one in.

Ah.

That's because this really isn't a sport.

[SPX]

Damn!

Go Scientist.

[SPX]

That's because this really isn't a sport.

It's probably what I'd call a controlled sport.

[SPX]

Damn it.

I thought about betting on Ford. (Glad I didn't!)

I also thought Lima could be a live dog, even though I didn't think he'd win, and considered putting something on him.

Should I be pissed or relieved? I don't know.

[MMA_scientist]

3u on Taylor @ -290
.25 on Lima +190

+1.5 Knew I should have went heavier on Lima

[zY|]

That's because this really isn't a sport.

It's probably what I'd call a controlled sport.

14 fight win streak, no loss in 7 years, MFC champion. I don't care how fucking boring he is, if this is a sport, that guy gets a shot.

[SPX]

14 fight win streak, no loss in 7 years, MFC champion. I don't care how fucking boring he is, if this is a sport, that guy gets a shot.

Sure, give him a shot.

He'll get his shit pushed in and will have to explain to his kids about how "daddy got his shot and lost." That would suck. But I agree. Give him a shot and see how it goes.

[SPX]

+1.5 Knew I should have went heavier on Lima

You should have.

What did you think about the Taylor fight?

[zY|]

14 fight win streak, no loss in 7 years, MFC champion. I don't care how fucking boring he is, if this is a sport, that guy gets a shot.

Sure, give him a shot.

He'll get his shit pushed in and will have to explain to his kids about how "daddy got his shot and lost." That would suck. But I agree. Give him a shot and see how it goes.

I bet he'd handle a few UFC LWs.

[SPX]

I bet he'd handle a few UFC LWs.

Well, he's a champion on such a long win streak . . . so my guess is he gets matched up with top guys. I doubt he'd be fighting the Joe Brammers and Shannon Gugerty's of the UFC.

Give him Dunham. I don't think it would work out for him.

[MMA_scientist]

You should have.

What did you think about the Taylor fight?

I fast forwarded a lot of it. It looked pretty much how I thought it would... Taylor needs to learn how to sink a RNC. He went straight across the throat, Hadaka Jime syle... that works on a lot of guys, but you some guys can withstand the pain... since it doesn't hit the carotid, you usually won't go out.

Aside from that, it was a snooze fest, as ost of JT's fights are. But that is what I was counting on.

[SPX]

I fast forwarded a lot of it. It looked pretty much how I thought it would... Taylor needs to learn how to sink a RNC. He went straight across the throat, Hadaka Jime syle... that works on a lot of guys, but you some guys can withstand the pain... since it doesn't hit the carotid, you usually won't go out.

Aside from that, it was a snooze fest, as ost of JT's fights are. But that is what I was counting on.

That's not how I learned the hadaka jime. . .

Who the fuck did YOU learn it from?

[zY|]

I bet he'd handle a few UFC LWs.

Well, he's a champion on such a long win streak . . . so my guess is he gets matched up with top guys. I doubt he'd be fighting the Joe Brammers and Shannon Gugerty's of the UFC.

Give him Dunham. I don't think it would work out for him.

Good lord you've got the UFC balls lodged firmly in your throat.

[MMA_scientist]

I bet he'd handle a few UFC LWs.

For whatever reason, there aren't a lot of great wrestlers at LW. Maynard is the only AA I can think of, and really Maynard was not that great... I bet McKee would do pretty well in the UFC.

LW is missing the wrestlers. There are NCAA champs and olympians in every other weightclass (WW has Kos, Askren, Hendricks; MW has Munoz, Rosholt, Sonnen, Linland; LHW has Hendo, Randy, Coleman; Hw has Brock, Cormier)

[MMA_scientist]

That's not how I learned the hadaka jime. . .

Who the fuck did YOU learn it from?
Not saying it was a hadaka jime, just that it was straight across the throat, hadake jime style... it just wasn't deep enough...

[SPX]

Good lord you've got the UFC balls lodged firmly in your throat.

More like reality.

[SPX]

For whatever reason, there aren't a lot of great wrestlers at LW. Maynard is the only AA I can think of, and really Maynard was not that great... I bet McKee would do pretty well in the UFC.

LW is missing the wrestlers. There are NCAA champs and olympians in every other weightclass (WW has Kos, Askren, Hendricks; MW has Munoz, Rosholt, Sonnen (R-Or), Linland; LHW has Hendo, Randy, Coleman; Hw has Brock, Cormier)

I think you get too caught up in credentials.

The LW division in the UFC is overrun with good wrestlers. What it needs is some awesome strikers. Bring KJ Noons in for God's sake.

[SPX]

Not saying it was a hadaka jime, just that it was straight across the throat, hadake jime style... it just wasn't deep enough...

I learned the hadaka jime from a straight up judoka who taught it to me like a straight up RNC. So I don't know here you're going with this.

[zY|]

Good lord you've got the UFC balls lodged firmly in your throat.

More like reality.

LOL. Right. Your argument is dumb. It's like if he comes in and loses to BJ Penn it's 'SEE SEE he sucked all along!'

Scientist is right. There aren't many great wrestlers at LW. There are a lot of wrestleboxers though.

[MMA_scientist]

I think you get too caught up in credentials.

The LW division in the UFC is overrun with good wrestlers. What it needs is some awesome strikers. Bring KJ Noons in for God's sake.

maybe so. But an olympian or even current world level talent like Brent Metcalf would put Maynard firmly on his rear end. They look good because they are the best wrestlers in the division... but there are plenty of dudes that would ragdoll Maynard in grappling match. Speaking of Lance Palmer (Ohio State 149# and 2nd best wrestler in the division) is entering MMA. He would put Maynard on his back too.

[SPX]

LOL. Right. Your argument is dumb. It's like if he comes in and loses to BJ Penn it's 'SEE SEE he sucked all along!'

Scientist is right. There aren't many great wrestlers at LW. There are a lot of wrestleboxers though.

Sure, he could hang with some mid-level guys. I guess that means he deserves his shot.

But he JUST said that he wants to fight BJ Penn. So where the fuck are you going with this?

[MMA_scientist]

I learned the hadaka jime from a straight up judoka who taught it to me like a straight up RNC. So I don't know here you're going with this.
http://www.ao-denkou-kai.org/hadaka-jime-3%20Medium%20Web%20view.jpg

http://judoinfo.com/images/shime/hadaka_jime.gif

^ that is hadaka jime, which I also learned from a judoka... it really doesnt have a bjj name, because no one uses it.

but I see online that some people call a RNC the same thing... so maybe they are interchangeable in japanese.

[SPX]

maybe so. But an olympian or even current world level talent like Brent Metcalf would put Maynard firmly on his rear end.

He would do this in wrestling or in MMA? Because we've seen that there can be a difference.

[zY|]

LOL. Right. Your argument is dumb. It's like if he comes in and loses to BJ Penn it's 'SEE SEE he sucked all along!'

Scientist is right. There aren't many great wrestlers at LW. There are a lot of wrestleboxers though.

Sure, he could hang with some mid-level guys. I guess that means he deserves his shot.

But he JUST said that he wants to fight BJ Penn. So where the fuck are you going with this?

I'm saying I want to see it. He's earned his crack at being in the UFC so let's see it. Hello McFly? Anybody home?

[SPX]

^ that is hadaka jime, which I also learned from a judoka... it really doesnt have a bjj name, because no one uses it.

but I see online that some people call a RNC the same thing... so maybe they are interchangeable in japanese.

Well fair enough. Not how I learned it, though.

With that said, having that sort of pressure against your adam's apple sucks, and feels like it could be permanently damaging. I'd be surprised that fighters don't tap from it.

[zY|]

Isn't that what Fedor choked out Tim Sylvia with?

[SPX]

I'm saying I want to see it. He's earned his crack at being in the UFC so let's see it. Hello McFly? Anybody home?

I've already said that's fine with me. I'm just saying that he's not going to climb very far.

[zY|]

I'm saying I want to see it. He's earned his crack at being in the UFC so let's see it. Hello McFly? Anybody home?

I've already said that's fine with me. I'm just saying that he's not going to climb very far.

It's almost like you're mad that he might beat a few precious UFC guys.

[poopoo333]

^ that is hadaka jime, which I also learned from a judoka... it really doesnt have a bjj name, because no one uses it.

but I see online that some people call a RNC the same thing... so maybe they are interchangeable in japanese.

Well fair enough. Not how I learned it, though.

With that said, having that sort of pressure against your adam's apple sucks, and feels like it could be permanently damaging. I'd be surprised that fighters don't tap from it.

I would always do it like that with the gi on, because I sucked at getting chokes from the back with the gi.

[MMA_scientist]

maybe so. But an olympian or even current world level talent like Brent Metcalf would put Maynard firmly on his rear end.

He would do this in wrestling or in MMA? Because we've seen that there can be a difference.

Well, some guys can't take a punch... but Metcalf has the shooting style that would translate to MMA (IMO). Some really great wrestlers don't take to submissions either. So even though he might be a bad matchup for Gray, he probably would never get through the gamut of strikers and submission guys to get to that level. I see it the same way as a lot of boxers... I think there were a lot of boxers that would whup guys like Chuck in his prime (assuming he stood with them, which I think he would have in his prime)... but they would never get to earn a crack at Chuck because they would never survive the gamut of wrestlers to get to him. Chuck was the best striker with takedown defense. Gray (right now) is the best wrestler with submission and striking defense.

I honestly think a guy like Metcalf could show up tomorrow and give Gray a run for his money... but he would probably never beat Nate Diaz.

[SPX]

It's almost like you're mad that he might beat a few precious UFC guys.

I'm not mad at all. I'm sure he could beat some UFC LWs. He's a champion. It's just like Carlos Condit is beating some UFC fighters. And Ben Henderson could, too.

All I'm doing is cautioning against unrealistic expectations. I wouldn't expect him to take the world by storm or anything.

[MMA_scientist]

Isn't that what Fedor choked out Tim Sylvia with?

I think it is... which makes sense because of Fedor's judo background.

SPX, it does hurt like a mother, but if you dont panic you realize that it is mostly pain. If you have large muscles in the front of your neck, the adam's apple cant really be crushed past that point, without using the thumbs to press it in further... so it is really just pain/panic. I have used it sevral times in grappling comp and it always gets a tap.

[MMA_scientist]

I would always do it like that with the gi on, because I sucked at getting chokes from the back with the gi.

that's when I use it too... it is hard to get a RNC with the gi... put you can slip the wrist in for a little throat cruching action.

[SPX]

SPX, it does hurt like a mother, but if you dont panic you realize that it is mostly pain. If you have large muscles in the front of your neck, the adam's apple cant really be crushed past that point, without using the thumbs to press it in further... so it is really just pain/panic. I have used it sevral times in grappling comp and it always gets a tap.

Interesting. I have had it done to me and I didn't want it to go any further than it did because I felt I would be permanently injured if that were the case.

But that's really not how I learned the hadaka jime. I learned it as an RNC, except that you clasp your hands together instead of grabbing your bicep.

[zY|]

[quote="zY|":32hbynbo]Isn't that what Fedor choked out Tim Sylvia with?

I think it is... which makes sense because of Fedor's judo background.

SPX, it does hurt like a mother, but if you dont panic you realize that it is mostly pain. If you have large muscles in the front of your neck, the adam's apple cant really be crushed past that point, without using the thumbs to press it in further... so it is really just pain/panic. I have used it sevral times in grappling comp and it always gets a tap.[/quote:32hbynbo]

Yeah. He did the same thing to Fujita. I'd bet Fedor squeezes hard enough that he could probably hurt you with it.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah. He did the same thing to Fujita. I'd bet Fedor squeezes hard enough that he could probably hurt you with it.

Truth be told, the neck muscle/paini thing is what I have been told by my teachers... personally, I think you could easily crush the windpipe with the wrist deep version like Fedor does. But I can also see how having teh forearm all the way across like JT did would not give you enough leverage to crush it.

But yeah, I don't rally have any desire to test my instructor's theory. Someone does that to me, I am tapping.

BUt if you push in on your own throat, you will feel that there comes a stop point, and if your neck muscles protrude past that point... I don't really see how you could crush it without some very specific pressure.

[SPX]

BUt if you push in on your own throat, you will feel that there comes a stop point, and if your neck muscles protrude past that point... I don't really see how you could crush it without some very specific pressure.

You should go ahead and test it out and let us know.

I apply pressure to my adam's apple and it's 100% gay. I'm not fucking with that shit.

[Svino]

I remember hearing something about police departments changing their training to shift away from the "bar-arm choke" with the forearm across the front and towards the RNC style choke with the elbow under the chin, under the belief that the bar-arm choke could damage the windpipe.

'Course it's easier to just taser anything that moves.

[zY|]

Course it's easier to just taser anything that moves.

Oh of course. Tasers are nice tools to have, but the way they seem to be used is fucking bullshit.

[doublearmbar]

YES! +5u, Thanks Scientist, on the pick.

[Mr. IWS]

What the fuck kind of a gongshow is this? Is there no doctor? They just left his carcass in the ring by itself. The ref walked away like oh well, fuck it.

LMAO


For anyone who didn't see it, witness greatness

http://piczasso.com/i/jmc3a.gif

literally was like "pfffffft WTF?" haha

[MMA_scientist]

YES! +5u, Thanks Scientist, on the pick.

nice work... what was your bet?

JT was SPX's play. I will take credit for Lima though. It still doesn't make up for Clementi though. I just need Darebdayan to pull through for me tonight for my weekend to be +

[doublearmbar]

YES! +5u, Thanks Scientist, on the pick.

nice work... what was your bet?

JT was SPX's play. I will take credit for Lima though. It still doesn't make up for Clementi though. I just need Darebdayan to pull through for me tonight for my weekend to be +

I saw the video of Lima you posted and put some money on him.