UFC 129 toronto GSP-Shields

[poopoo333]

Randy Couture isn't retiring after all.

Couture and Lyoto Machida have verbally agreed to meet at UFC 129 on April 30 in Toronto, MMA Fighting has learned from sources close to the fight.

The event will be the UFC's first in Toronto and will be held at the Rogers Centre, home of the Toronto Blue Jays.

[Mr. IWS]

Machida is gonna rape Handy

[poopoo333]

^^All the websites are saying this is in Toronto and the 2 fights announced are GSP/Shield and Machida/Couture

[YoungTRK484]

I think the confusion is that 128 in Abu Dabai is being canceled, which was scheduled for the week before. Weren't they going to do 128 in Abu Dabai and then a week later 129 in the US? So I think the original 128 is canceled, Rura-Evans is now being called 128, and the Toronto event is now 129. Dunno if that makes sense but that's what I think. Anyway tickets aren't on sale yet for NJ so you may be right.

[MMA_scientist]

Why is this happening? Randy is going to catch a brutal beating. His strategy will be wall and stall, but Machida is going to have his way with him.

[SPX]

Why is this happening? Randy is going to catch a brutal beating. His strategy will be wall and stall, but Machida is going to have his way with him.

I would agree, but I said the same thing about Rampage.

[zY|]

Randy is going to be seriously injured in this fight.

[Svino]

100U to win 1U on "Not Randy inside the distance"

[zY|]

100U to win 1U on "Not Randy inside the distance"

Yeah pretty much.

[poopoo333]

Ben Henderson vs. Mark Bocek targeted for UFC 129 in Toronto (http://mmajunkie.com/news/21965/ben-henderson-vs-mark-bocek-targeted-for-ufc-129-in-toronto.mma)

[poopoo333]

"Numerous sources have informed that Rory MacDonald (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122584/rory-macdonald) and James Wilks (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122608/james-wilks) have verbally agreed, to square off inside the octagon, on Saturday, April 30th, at The Rogers Centre in Toronto.

...A source has informed me that Jonathan Brookins (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/tags/jonathan-brookins), will have his hands full, as he is expected to take on undefeated lightweight, John Makdessi (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/tags/john-makdessi)."

[poopoo333]

3u on Machida @-205

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/352.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Mr. IWS]

Too good to be true. machida at that number?

Ill be at least on Machida, if not parlaying both GSP and Lyoto.

[poopoo333]

^^he is already up to -240

[Mr. IWS]

^^he is already up to -240

I figured he would open up around -350/-400.

[Thewisemann]

5.1u on Machida to win 2u. I may bet more closer to fight time. I will be betting big on GSP.

[Luke]

Machida is a bum


Go Couture

[MMA_scientist]

-205, that is insane. People are retarded... Randy lost to Vera, how is he going to beat Machida? I mean, seriously, Machida got KO'd by Shogun... most people think he beat Rampage. How does anyone think Randy has any chance at all. I am going to throw down several units @ -260, @ -205, I might have done a bankroll dump.

[edman5555]

Randy should get beaten, Machida inside the distance is probably worth a bet. Machida by tko/ko as well. Though Machida might stun him and go in for the sub. Randy will be 48 in June and he hasn't had a good win in a long time. Toney and Coleman are crap. Vera beat him in my opinion. Before that its Gabe Gonzaga, Tim sylvia and Mike Van Arsdale. Machida should kill him.

[zY|]

Really the only thing you can possibly go on to think that Randy might win is that he has a history of winning fights he shouldn't.

Which doesn't really mean much.

[Thewisemann]

Randy is one of my top 3 favorite fighters. He is going to get crushed. I really wish he didnt take this fight, but Ill take the easy $$$$.

[Luke]

Ivan Menjivar will face off against bantamweight Charlie Valencia at UFC 129 in Toronto.


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[Luke]

Phil Davis vs. Matt Hamill targeted for UFC 129 in Toronto http://t.co/sOtECdT (http://t.co/sOtECdT)

[poopoo333]

Phil Davis vs. Matt Hamill targeted for UFC 129 in Toronto http://t.co/sOtECdT (http://t.co/sOtECdT)

That is awesome. Hamill via DQ.


Jason MacDonald vs. Ryan Jensen Tapped for UFC 129 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/7/1922131/jason-macdonald-vs-ryan-jensen-tapped-for-ufc-129)

[poopoo333]

Brian Foster vs. Sean Pierson in the works for UFC 129 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/22024/brian-foster-vs-sean-pierson-in-the-works-for-ufc-129.mma)

[poopoo333]

Daniel Roberts vs. Claude Patrick added

This card is fucking stacked:

- Georges St. Pierre (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122591/georges-st-pierre) -550 (http://record.partners.betus.com/_kbbdbinqB0lSMMcHaLJ9iWNd7ZgqdRLk/2) vs. Jake Shields (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122567/jake-shields) +350 (http://record.partners.betus.com/_kbbdbinqB0lSMMcHaLJ9iWNd7ZgqdRLk/2)
- Randy Couture (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122508/randy-couture) +240 (http://record.partners.betus.com/_kbbdbinqB0lSMMcHaLJ9iWNd7ZgqdRLk/2) vs. Lyoto Machida (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122516/lyoto-machida) -300 (http://record.partners.betus.com/_kbbdbinqB0lSMMcHaLJ9iWNd7ZgqdRLk/2)
- Phil Davis vs. Matt Hamill
- Ben Henderson (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/127864/ben-henderson) vs. Mark Bocek (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/127371/mark-bocek)
- Rory MacDonald (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122584/rory-macdonald) vs. James Wilks (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122608/james-wilks)
- Jonathan Brookins vs. John Makdessi
- Daniel Roberts vs. Claude Patrick
- Brian Foster vs. Sean Pierson
- Jason MacDonald vs. Ryan Jensen (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122557/ryan-jensen)
- Pablo Garza (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122877/pablo-garza) vs. Yves Jabouin
- Ivan Menjivar (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/127988/ivan-menjivar) vs. Charlie Valencia (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122472/charlie-valencia)

[Mr. IWS]

Phil Davis vs. Matt Hamill targeted for UFC 129 in Toronto http://t.co/sOtECdT (http://t.co/sOtECdT)

Oh cool. A rematch from the bullshit DQ Hamill beat Davis with last time.

I hope Davis doesnt do any illegal shit this time.

[poopoo333]

Oh cool. A rematch from the bullshit DQ Hamill beat Davis with last time.

I hope Davis doesnt do any illegal shit this time.


http://afrojacks.com/images/stories/thats_racist_animated_11197.gif

[Mr. IWS]

Ill take Davis up to -500.

[zY|]

oh cool. A rematch from the bullshit dq hamill beat davis with last time.

I hope davis doesnt do any illegal shit this time.

lol <3

[Thewisemann]

55u to win 10u on GSP. Thats what my bet will be.

[poopoo333]

55u to win 10u on GSP. Thats what my bet will be.

Holy shit balls

[Svino]

I don't know about 55u, but I also think GSP is a solid bet at -550.

[Luke]

Sounds like good money management .

[edman5555]

Gsp should win easily. I think he will tko Shields.

[Mr. IWS]

Gsp should win easily. I think he will tko Shields.

Thats my thoughts as well. But...................

GSP hasn't TKO'd anyone since Jay Heiron it seems like.

Either way, I think GSP will outclass the bum.

[edman5555]

Yeah my reasoning is that Shields has almost no standup ability. I think GSP's wrestling will force a standup fight. It will be a lot easier for GSP to lay into shields if he doesn't have to worry about his punches very much(like he did with Koscheck)

[Svino]

Shields is a great fighter. Still underrated, I think. But this is an impossible matchup for him? How can he win?

1) Lucky punch? No, I think this option is pretty much out.
2) Defy people's expectations and take down GSP repeatedly despite his wrestling? As with Hendo? No, can't see that happening here either.
3) GSP also has very good stamina, so Shields won't be getting any kind of "cardio victory", especially after his last WW performance.
4) Catching a submission if GSP gets careless, maybe like Werdum did on Fedor, is a small possibility.
5) Wall-and-stall win against the fence? Also extremely unlikely.

I'm just finding it very hard to put Shields' chances at better than a few percent.

[edman5555]

Yeah he is getting the title shot because he was the strikeforce champ and does have a great record. Unfortunately his record is good because he outwrestles/grapples people. I also have to wonder how he will be in the 4th and 5th rounds. We shouldn't sell him short on his wrestling though, he did beat Yushin Okami with it though it wasn't pretty.

[Luke]

^^^^^^^^Are you forgetting Shields just went 5 rounds with Hendo,a 205 pounder? Shields looked gassed in his last fight due to the weight cut imo. This time the weight cut should go easier so he shouldnt have any problems with gassing

[MMA_scientist]

I agree it seems like a terrible style matchup for Shields. The one thing I will say is that Shields does not give up on that takedown. He just goes and goes until he gets it, or he stays on the fence. But his hands are also the worst of any fighter GSP has faced (ever, I think). GSP did give up a couple takedowns to Koscheck.

GSP should win, it is almost a foregone conclusion that he will sprawl and eventually KO him. But at -550, I don't know... that is a lot to pay against a top 5 guy in Shields. But on paper, I really don't see how Shields can win.

[zY|]

I think GSP is going to make Shields look terrible. Awkward, tremendously slow. He'll probably end up either knocked out or with a mashed up face and repeatedly falling to his back ala Thales Leites and getting booed.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Shields' guard is not very good. I don't think GSP is going to be scurred to get on top of him. I hoenstly wouldn't be shocked to see GSP going for some takedowns. I think GSP will beat him on the mat too. Shields is good, but really only from top. He doesn't have a dangerous guard, IMO.

Shields HAS to get on top to win... but I have heard that GSP's guard is actually really good.

[edman5555]

I think its unlikely that shields can sub George. Unless he can keep it on the ground for a long time. Which I don't think he can. And he isn't triangling George.

[MMA_scientist]

Well, even if he can get a few takedowns, I doubt GSP is going to fight him willingly on the ground. He can get up.

Hendo gassed, that is all there is to it. Shields was having trouble holding Mayhem down, and he couldn't hold Lawler down either. He is not going to take GSP down, and GSP is going to knock him out.

[Thewisemann]

this fight is a joke GSP is going to make this lool easy, if you told me GSP hadn the flu, I would still bet him -550. I will probably bet enough to win 2u or so, then maybe go to vegas and slap 10,000 or so on it. Closest thing to a lock as you will get gambling IMO.

[poopoo333]

this fight is a joke GSP is going to make this lool easy, if you told me GSP hadn the flu, I would still bet him -550. I will probably bet enough to win 2u or so, then maybe go to vegas and slap 10,000 or so on it. Closest thing to a lock as you will get gambling IMO.

I don't know man, I actually think the biggest lock in gambling is the Saints over Seahawks this weekend.

[zY|]

Lol

[edman5555]

Well, even if he can get a few takedowns, I doubt GSP is going to fight him willingly on the ground. He can get up.

Hendo gassed, that is all there is to it. Shields was having trouble holding Mayhem down, and he couldn't hold Lawler down either. He is not going to take GSP down, and GSP is going to knock him out.

This. Mayhem also almost choked out Shields. If the buzzer hadnt gone off Miller would have won.

[Mr. IWS]

I don't know man, I actually think the biggest lock in gambling is the Saints over Seahawks this weekend.

haha

[Thewisemann]

Hope you didnt bet it. I had Seahawks +10.5 and Jets +3. On a 7 game win streak! I have GB +2.5 and Balt -2.5 today.

[poopoo333]

Hope you didnt bet it. I had Seahawks +10.5 and Jets +3. On a 7 game win streak! I have GB +2.5 and Balt -2.5 today.

lol I was just joking. I had the exact same bets yesterday except I had Jets +2.5. Why don't you post your plays in the NFL section here?

[Thewisemann]

Im going to from now on. Everytime I post my plays I lose in anything other than MMA.

[MMA_scientist]

GSP training with Roger and Braulio to prepare for Shields.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/9/1924275/ufc-champion-georges-st-pierre-training-with-bjj-world-champions

[edman5555]

GSP is always with the best. He seems dedicated too. Especially for a guy that is already on top. That is why I am comfortable betting on him.

[edman5555]

I can't decide whether I should bet him straight up, straight up +tko/ko, or just plain old tko/ko.

[MMA_scientist]

GSP is always with the best. He seems dedicated too. Especially for a guy that is already on top. That is why I am comfortable betting on him.

Yeah, I just hope he isn't planning on engaging in a ground war with Shields. While I think GSP would hold his own, there is no need because he is miles ahead of him in the striking. It is probably worst case scenario type training though...

[edman5555]

Gsp always takes the fight where he is safest and has the edge. So he should def be keeping this standing. I wouldn't be suprised to see him take Shields down a bit though, just to mix it up and keep Jake guessing. I bet GSP would like to get a tko/ko too, he has been getting a lot of shit lately.

[Ludo]

I don't know that GSP will be going for the takedown much. Shields does have a decent sweep game. GSP will likely just keep it standing and following his M.O. of staying wherever he has the advantage. It wasn't all that long ago that Hughes subbed GSP with an armbar, if Shields were in a similar position he could probably do it. Whether he can get there is another thing entirely.

[Thewisemann]

GSP will keep it standing for sure. He MIGHT mix in a few TDS, but I highly doubt. He doesnt need to keep Shields guessing, he will own him on the feet.

[poopoo333]

Tomas Rios reports via his Snark Fights blog (http://www.snarkfights.com/2011/01/makdessi-vs-brookins-falls-through.html) that Jonathan Brookins has been removed from a rumored matchup with John Makdessi at UFC 129, and replaced with fellow TUF 12-castmate, Kyle Watson.
It's also mentioned that Makdessi was offered fights with Mac Danzig and Danny Castillo, in addition to Brookins, but his camp settled on Watson.

[poopoo333]

I guess they are scratching Macdonald/Wilks and:


SnarkFights.com has also learned from sources that MacDonald's management has been offered a choice between bouts with either T.J. Grant or Johny Hendricks (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/127154/johny-hendricks).

[Luke]

I guess they are scratching Macdonald/Wilks and:


LOL I thought that said sharkfights.com .........I was all fucked up there for a second

[Svino]

GSP will keep it standing for sure. He MIGHT mix in a few TDS, but I highly doubt. He doesnt need to keep Shields guessing, he will own him on the feet.

I agree. Keeping it mostly standing is the smartest plan, so I'm pretty sure that is what Greg Jackson will have GSP do.

[SPX]

I agree. Keeping it mostly standing is the smartest plan, so I'm pretty sure that is what Greg Jackson will have GSP do.

GSP is Greg Jackson's puppet.

[Thewisemann]

I guess they are scratching Macdonald/Wilks and:

I was planning on going heavy on Macdonald over Wilks. Not sure about either of these, though I favor Macdonald.

[Thewisemann]

I like Bocek @ +145.

[SPX]

I like Bocek @ +145.

Really? I was thinking there's probably value in Bendo at -175.

[poopoo333]

I think I am going to stay away from almost all of the 1st WEC vs UFC fights. Money is going to come in on Bocek imo so I think Henderson's line will drop.

[Thewisemann]

I give Bocek a slight edge.

[poopoo333]

Lol nevermind, its now nate diaz vs rory macdonald

[Luke]

Lol nevermind, its now nate diaz vs rory macdonald


Damn whats with the UFC throwing 21 year old Rory to the lions? First Condit now Diaz

[poopoo333]

Henderson is now the dog on 5dimes @-110

[SPX]

And to think I jumped on him at -175.

[Luke]

Jose Aldo will return at UFC 129; opponent still undecided - http://es.pn/hPf40H (http://es.pn/hPf40H)


..

[Luke]

And to think I jumped on him at -175.

I guess we should start discussing which way we think a line is going to move, being early obv isnt always the best

[SPX]

I guess we should start discussing which way we think a line is going to move, being early obv isnt always the best

Truth.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

I'll definitely not be winning any awards for my line movement prediction. I suck at that shit.

[Luke]

Truth.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

I'll definitely not be winning any awards for my line movement prediction. I suck at that shit.


Sometimes I can nail perfectly which way a line will go, sometimes not so much......

[poopoo333]

I think I am going to stay away from almost all of the 1st WEC vs UFC fights. Money is going to come in on Bocek imo so I think Henderson's line will drop.

I win.


That's like 1/10 predictions I get right.

[poopoo333]

http://i52.tinypic.com/5twbns.jpg

[zY|]

Shields is big.

[Luke]

Shields is big.


Well yeah.

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3575.png

[Luke]

Inb4EveryoneJumpsOnAldo

[SPX]

Gay.

Line opens at -220 on . . . Pinnacle.

Since when are they breaking lines?

[Luke]

Gay.

Line opens at -220 on . . . Pinnacle.

Since when are they breaking lines?


everyone does now ..............except bookmaker

[poopoo333]

Phil Davis vs. Jason Brilz Planned for UFC 129 in Toronto (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/16/1997637/phil-davis-vs-jason-brilz-planned-for-ufc-129-in-toronto)

[Luke]

Phil Davis vs. Jason Brilz Planned for UFC 129 in Toronto (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/16/1997637/phil-davis-vs-jason-brilz-planned-for-ufc-129-in-toronto)

Dana's a dick, Brilz should get a better fight than that for getting hosed in the NOG fight and stepping in on short notice

[zY|]

Dana's a dick, Brilz should get a better fight than that for getting hosed in the NOG fight and stepping in on short notice

Well maybe he'll win.

[edman5555]

He'd have to get pretty damn lucky

[MMA_scientist]

We will probably get to see Davis' hands in this fight. He will probably get some takedowns, but Brilz is by far the best wrestler Davis has faced. Brilz could win though, it is not inconcievable.

[edman5555]

Yeah he could but it just seems like Davis is the beast version of him. I think Brilz has a decent guillotine, if I remember correctly. It may have been him getting caught in it over and over in the nog fight but I think he grabbed at least one that looked close.

[Mr. IWS]

A light-heavyweight bout between Jason Brilz (18-3-1 MMA, 3-2 UFC) and Vladimir Matyushenko (25-5 MMA, 6-3 UFC) is being finalized for April's UFC 129 event in Toronto.

Sources close to the event today told MMAjunkie.com (http://mmajunkie.com/) (www.mmajunkie.com) that verbal agreements are in place and that bout agreements are being finalized.

Brilz initially was a replacement for Matt Hamill and expected to fight Phil Davis at the show. But Davis recently was pulled from the card (http://mmajunkie.com/news/22547/antonio-rogerio-nogueira-vs-phil-davis-official-for-ufc-fight-night-24-main-event.mma) and booked for a UFC Fight Night 24 headliner with Antonio Rogerio Nogueria.

UFC 129 takes place April 29 at Toronto's Rogers Centre and has already broken box-office records for a North American MMA event with 55,000 tickets sold and a live-gate tally of approximately $11 million.

The night's main card airs on pay-per-view, though it's not clear if Brilz vs. Matyushenko will retain its spot on the televised lineup.

Brilz was expected to meet Matyushenko this past November at UFC 122 before a back injury forced him to pull out of the overseas show.

In his most recent octagon appearance, Brilz stepped up on short notice against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira at UFC 114. The full-time firefighter and part-time wrestling coach made the most of the opportunity and dominated the former PRIDE star on the mat during the 15-minute encounter. Although he tired later in the fight, Brilz appeared to have done enough to eek out a decision victory. Nogueira, though, won the bout on two of the three judges' scorecards, which resulted in many boos. Despite the loss, the Midwesterner is 13-2-1 over his past 16 fights going back to 2002.

Matyushenko, meanwhile, is in his second stint in the UFC, and it's been a productive one. His only loss in the four fights came to upcoming title challenger Jon Jones. The Belarusian recently rebounded from that defeat with an impressive first-round TKO of Alexandre Ferreira at UFC 122. It was Matyushenko's fourth win in his past five fights and moved him to 14-2 since 2005.


Meh

[poopoo333]

^^decision prop ftw

[Mr. IWS]

LOL

[SPX]

Thoughts on Hominick's chances against Aldo?

[Mr. IWS]

Thoughts on Hominick's chances against Aldo?

Less than the chances of Elliot Marshall getting back into the Octagon.

[SPX]

Less than the chances of Elliot Marshall getting back into the Octagon.

Hominick has pretty tight boxing, so I don't know. He could catch Aldo. Aldo's chin still hasn't really been tested so we don't know what it's like.

But I do agree that Aldo should win.

In fact, UFC 129 has a lot of big favorites that I think might be worth the money -- Machida, Aldo, and GSP.

[Luke]

I'll be on Shields

[edman5555]

I'll be on Shields

Serious?

[Luke]

Serious?

ahh yeah

[poopoo333]

GSP/Shields goes distance -145/Doesn't go distance +105

It opened @ -250ish/+205

[edman5555]

I really don't know what will happen with that one. Part of me thinks Shields has the wrestling to tie GSP up for a while and part of me thinks GSP will KO him on the feet.

[poopoo333]

I think it goes the distance. Shields is tough and I think Shields is going to spend a lot of time tied up with GSP like you do.

[edman5555]

I don't know if it goes the distance. I really have no idea what happens tbh.

[Thewisemann]

GSP TKO in the later rds.

[poopoo333]

Anybody looked at Bocek/Henderson? Tough fight to call imo

[SPX]

Anybody looked at Bocek/Henderson? Tough fight to call imo

I jumped the gun and grabbed Bendo at -175. That seems foolish now. I should've waited. But Bendo has thus far seemed unsubmittable and I think the sub game will be Bocek's greatest advantage. I still favor Bendo.

[Thewisemann]

Bocek. He beat Jim Miller IMO.

[poopoo333]

Bocek is a pretty good grappler. He was handling Jim Miller at certain parts of the fight. Henderson has been put in some pretty vulnerable positions as well in the past.

[SPX]

Bocek. He beat Jim Miller IMO.

He also got choked out by Mac Danzig.

[poopoo333]

He also got choked out by Mac Danzig.

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Mark_Bocek_Vs_Mac_Danzig_UFC_83?vid=10000079

Not exactly a blow out.

[SPX]

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Mark_Bocek_Vs_Mac_Danzig_UFC_83?vid=10000079

Not exactly a blow out.

I'm acquainted with the fight. Just saying. It's Mac Danzig.

[Thewisemann]

Parlay
GSP, Aldo, Machida 5.1u to win 5u
GSP 9u to win 2u and going heavier later.

[poopoo333]

http://i54.tinypic.com/20utiec.jpg

[Luke]

Chael look mad

[Thewisemann]

Chael looks huge

[SPX]

Chael look mad


Chael looks huge


I didn't even realize that was Chael, but I agree that he looks both mad and fucking huge.

[zY|]

Chael looks like Lou Ferrigno, what the hell.

[poopoo333]

He is upping the dose since he is suspended...he will go back to hrt doses when he gets a fight.

[SPX]

Trigger pulled: 5u on GSP

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD


Champ Georges St-Pierre vs. Jake Shields (for welterweight title)
Champ Jose Aldo vs. Mark Hominick (for featherweight title)
Jason Brilz vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida
Mark Bocek vs. Ben Henderson

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)


Nate Diaz vs. Rory MacDonald
Brian Foster vs. Sean Pierson

PRELIMINARY CARD


Claude Patrick vs. Daniel Roberts
Ivan Menjivar vs. Charlie Valencia
Jason MacDonald vs. Ryan Jensen
John Makdessi vs. Kyle Watson
Pablo Garza vs. Yves Jabouin

[SPX]

What do you guys think? Who has a better chance of walking away with the win: Shields or Hominick?

[Luke]

What do you guys think? Who has a better chance of walking away with the win: Shields or Hominick?


Neither . I think everyone should just parlay them together and bankroll dump ........all in for me

[poopoo333]

Probably Hominick. IDK I think a Machida/Aldo/GSP parlay looks good lol, it's basically even odds.

[SPX]

IDK I think a Machida/Aldo/GSP parlay looks good lol, it's basically even odds.

Probably. I think they all win.

Speaking of Machida, holy shit, did you notice that he's -500 on Bodog right now? Couture's old, but he's still a viable fighter, and Machida has lost two in a row. Shit doesn't make sense.

[zY|]

Probably. I think they all win.

Speaking of Machida, holy shit, did you notice that he's -500 on Bodog right now? Couture's old, but he's still a viable fighter, and Machida has lost two in a row. Shit doesn't make sense.

The last time Couture fought a legit fighter, he got his old ass knocked all over the cage. He also lost to Vera. Machida beat Rampage.

[zY|]

Also, it's just been bet that high, looks like it's back down now. He opened around -300 everywhere, and Bodog jumps from -365 straight to -500 for some reason.

[poopoo333]

I got Machida @-205

[edman5555]

I will be parlaying Aldo and GSP. I may throw in Machida. I feel like he should destroy Randy but I have this wierd feeling Randy might be able to steal 2 rounds with clinching a la Rampage/Machida and Randy/Vera. It's not inconceivable.

[SPX]

The last time Couture fought a legit fighter, he got his old ass knocked all over the cage. He also lost to Vera.

LOL


Machida beat Rampage.

I thought that looking at it in terms of today's scoring system, Rampage won. Neither did shit in the first or second round and Rampage was at least being aggressive, controlling the center, keeping Machida against the fence, etc.

In terms of an actual fight, Machida won because he whipped Rampage's ass in the third and did far more damage in that round than either fighter had done in the first two.

But still, -500? Just seems excessive.

[SPX]

I got Machida @-205

Oh, thanks for that info.

[High5]

Probably Hominick. IDK I think a Machida/Aldo/GSP parlay looks good lol, it's basically even odds.

Done!
Machida/Aldo/GSP 5u to win 4.84u

thinking about more....

[zY|]

LOL



I thought that looking at it in terms of today's scoring system, Rampage won. Neither did shit in the first or second round and Rampage was at least being aggressive, controlling the center, keeping Machida against the fence, etc.

In terms of an actual fight, Machida won because he whipped Rampage's ass in the third and did far more damage in that round than either fighter had done in the first two.

But still, -500? Just seems excessive.

Yeah. I think Machida won, but I won't really argue that one too much.

[SPX]

Done!
Machida/Aldo/GSP 5u to win 4.84u


Should be a winner.

[poopoo333]

Oh, thanks for that info.

Anytime broski

[edman5555]

It always worries me when a fighter calls out another one. Randy must think he has a legit chance of out wrestling Machida and he might. Granted Randy hasn't legitimately beaten anyone good since Gabe Gonzaga and he is 47 years old..I don't know. Machida should win..

[edman5555]

Nate diaz Rory Mcd. HMMM. I see some value in Rory. I think he might be able to take Diaz down like he did with Condit.

[Luke]

It always worries me when a fighter calls out another one. Randy must think he has a legit chance of out wrestling Machida and he might. Granted Randy hasn't legitimately beaten anyone good since Gabe Gonzaga and he is 47 years old..I don't know. Machida should win..


If you are unsure I'd bet both sides ::handshake::

[edman5555]

MAybe.

[poopoo333]

Nate diaz Rory Mcd. HMMM. I see some value in Rory. I think he might be able to take Diaz down like he did with Condit.

Me too. I think it's gonna be a good fight. I am curious to see the line on that one

[SPX]

Nate diaz Rory Mcd. HMMM. I see some value in Rory. I think he might be able to take Diaz down like he did with Condit.

Value? Where you finding a line?

[Luke]

Value? Where you finding a line?



he's not.

[SPX]

If you are unsure I'd bet both sides ::handshake::

Luke's in a mood today. Bear with him.

[Thewisemann]

3 more units on parlay, so now its 8.25u on gsp, aldo and machida to win 8u

[Thewisemann]

thats 13.35u on Machuda total, and 17u + on gsp, i am stil going to dump on gsp

[edman5555]

Your a nut. That is crazier than any bets I have made.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Didn't you bet like half your bankroll on a fight a while back?

[edman5555]

Well it was like 40 percent but it was on one fight. He is parlaying a lot of it. I think he will win but that is more risky.

[edman5555]

I forget what it was. I'm going to go look it up right now. It was on Overeem to beat Duffee.

[edman5555]

Overeem 21.65u to win 5u.

[edman5555]

I am thinking about maybe a 10u parlay on GSP and Aldo but I am not sure yet. I'm not worried about GSP but I am worried about Aldo a tiny little bit. Hominick is no joke. He has good striking. I'm not sure that he is good enough to catch Aldo though. He has been beaten by quite a few guys.

[MMA_scientist]

Hominick and Shields both are top tier fighters at the peak of their careers. I do think both GSP and Aldo will win, but Hominick could concievably beat Aldo standing... Aldo has a very good ground game to go with his Muy Thai though. GSP SHOULD be able to keep it standing, but Shields is pesky with those takedowns. But even if Shields gets him down, I don't think it is over. GSP can grapple with Shields IMO... I actually think GSP would beat him in a straight up grappling match. Of the two, I definitely like GSP's chances better, jusy because of the style matchup.

[Mr. IWS]

thats 13.35u on Machuda total, and 17u + on gsp, i am stil going to dump on gsp

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc295/Mazz1990/yj6dhsu6b4q1i6fnpom.gif

Ill be on those two as well.

[Vandelay]

Hominick is a good striker. Has way better hands than aldo does. Aldo's striking is similar to shoguns. Great kicks and decent power. I'm not sure how good aldo's takedowns are so I think this line is off. Aldo has faced primarily grapplers with poor standup technique and he's made them look bad. Hominick can definitely win this fight if he has good td defense.

[edman5555]

Aldo landed a td on mtb and stuffed all his tds. He stuffed faber too

[SPX]

I also have this sneaking suspicion that Hominick might make it a better fight than people expect. His boxing is really crisp. But I still expect Aldo to come out and either finish him or win a clear decision.

[Thewisemann]

If Aldo has has trouble with Hominick standing, he should be able to take him down and maybe submit him.

[poopoo333]

Wiseman, when you are this confident and dump, are you nervous during the fight or are you like" I got this shit"?

[SPX]

If Aldo has has trouble with Hominick standing, he should be able to take him down and maybe submit him.

Based on what? I know Hominick has been subbed a few times, but Aldo has only finished one fight via submission, and that was in 2005.

[Thewisemann]

i said maybe submit him, he is a bjj blackbelt and Hominick has been subbed a few times. We never see Aldos ground game because he fucks everybody up on the feet.

[edman5555]

Wiseman, when you are this confident and dump, are you nervous during the fight or are you like" I got this shit"?

Wm e ver dumped like this before

[Luke]

Wm e ver dumped like this before


Yes he has .Sometimes it works out ,sometimes it doesnt

[Luke]

I say GSP, then Machida ,then Aldo in that order have the best chances of losing . I'd really be surprised if one of the 3 dont lose .

[SPX]

I say GSP, then Machida ,then Aldo in that order have the best chances of losing . I'd really be surprised if one of the 3 dont lose .

So you EXPECT one of them to lose? I do not. I think they'll all win, but if I had to pick someone to lose, based on recent performances, I'd have to go with Machida.

Still, I think they all win, and the surprise would come if they don't.

[Vandelay]

Remember when GSP, Penn and Silva were all fighting within like a month (march) and all were huge favorites to win (around -600). Howd that turn out?

[Mr. IWS]

Remember when GSP, Penn and Silva were all fighting within like a month (march) and all were huge favorites to win (around -600). Howd that turn out?

I went 2-1 there. ::thumbup::

Lost my ass ::thumbdown::

[SPX]

Remember when GSP, Penn and Silva were all fighting within like a month (march) and all were huge favorites to win (around -600). Howd that turn out?

So you're saying that we can glean some insight into the current situation based on those totally unrelated fights?

[SPX]

Lost my ass ::thumbdown::

118 was just a terrible, terrible event all around for me. Jesus Christ.

I think I lost every bet I made and some of those were pretty high because by the time the Florian fight rolled around I was already chasing.

Oscipczak, Salter, Ruediger, Davis, Florian, Penn. All losers.

[Luke]

So you EXPECT one of them to lose? I do not. I think they'll all win, but if I had to pick someone to lose, based on recent performances, I'd have to go with Machida.

Still, I think they all win, and the surprise would come if they don't.


Yes, I expect at least one of the three to lose and I'd be surprise one doesnt . I wont be shocked if 2 out of the 3 lose

[Vandelay]

So you're saying that we can glean some insight into the current situation based on those totally unrelated fights?

No. Just saying that what look to be locks on parlays doesnt always turn out that way. I happen to think Machida has the least chance of losing.

[MMA_scientist]

Based on what? I know Hominick has been subbed a few times, but Aldo has only finished one fight via submission, and that was in 2005.

Aldo has some impressive BJJ wins. He has a win over a world champion in bjj... He has very high level BJJ... he just never has to use it.

[SPX]

No. Just saying that what look to be locks on parlays doesnt always turn out that way. I happen to think Machida has the least chance of losing.

I at least agree that anything can happen. Why do you feel that Machida has the least chance of losing?

[SPX]

Aldo has some impressive BJJ wins. He has a win over a world champion in bjj... He has very high level BJJ... he just never has to use it.

Who fucking asked you, faggot?

[edman5555]

No. Just saying that what look to be locks on parlays doesnt always turn out that way. I happen to think Machida has the least chance of losing.

Yeah randy is getting old. He couldn't get vera down and that was a long time ago. Hopefully machida learned his lesson from qj

[poopoo333]

Yeah, I just started gambling and I thought BJ, silva, and gsp was a lock parlay for ufc 112 and ufc 111. Fuuu bj

[edman5555]

Ha I don't think 2 out of 3 lose. It could happen but it wouldn't suprise me

[Thewisemann]

Remember when GSP, Penn and Silva were all fighting within like a month (march) and all were huge favorites to win (around -600). Howd that turn out?

I was on gsp, Silva and edgar

[Thewisemann]

I am most confident in gsp, I may even deposit enough to win another 10u on him. next is Machida, Couture has a path to victory, just doubt he can do it, especially since his chin is gone. rampage did it, but Machida had to worry about getting ko. with randy he doesnt have to worry about getting. hit. I am least confident in Aldo, because he may keep it standing, even if he is getting beat.

[Vandelay]

I at least agree that anything can happen. Why do you feel that Machida has the least chance of losing?

Machida is very good at defending takedowns and Randy poses no threat to him standing, at all. I dont believe he get wall and stalled again. Machida should be hungry for the win, randy hasn't been training full time, his chin sucks, and machida should have a counter if machida try's to clinch the whole time.

[poopoo333]

Jose Aldo by sub @+1050 looks good to me

[Vandelay]

1 unit to win .495 units on not shields inside distance, not couture itd, not hominick by sub, amir khan, manny pacquiao

[poopoo333]

1 unit to win .495 units on not shields inside distance, not couture itd, not hominick by sub, amir khan, manny pacquiao

I am thinking about jumping on this prop parlay bandwagon.

[Vandelay]

I'm not even sure which one has the most chance of ruining my parlay. I'd probably say shields catching a sub and amir khan losing

[zY|]

Yeah I think Shield by sub is his only shot at winning. He's not winning a decision.

[Vandelay]

Well lets see. Shields is more about positional control and hasnt really needed to go all out for a sub before. Gsp probably will not be shooting at all in this fight and GSP would need to get to side-control, back mount or mount to get a sub on GSP and i'm sure GSP would know how to avoid a submission in those positions. Now I think Shields can lay and pray for 3 or 4 rounds on his way to a decision.

[Luke]

. Now I think Shields can lay and pray for 3 or 4 rounds on his way to a decision.


InB4spxSAYSthatsNOTpossible

[zY|]

Nah I think his chance is to catch a guillotine or something like that if he's on top and GSP tries to scramble. I'd be super surprised if he can hold position on GSP, and the thought of him taking GSP down much less holding him there for 3 rounds is laughable to me.

[poopoo333]

What if Shields spends the majority of the time going for the takedown against the fence with GSP stuffing it? From what we have seen, that usually gets the aggressor the round.

[Thewisemann]

That's pretty much how I see it.

[zY|]

What if Shields spends the majority of the time going for the takedown against the fence with GSP stuffing it? From what we have seen, that usually gets the aggressor the round.

I would imagine he's getting punched in the head the whole time.

[Thewisemann]

If kampmann wasn't such an idiot, then he would have finished shields and we wouldnt be having this conversation.

[SPX]

If kampmann wasn't such an idiot, then he would have finished shields and we wouldnt be having this conversation.

I agree. Kampmann arguably won that fight anyway.

[Thewisemann]

sshields couldn't take Lawler down, and he couldn't sub mayhem, hendo or kampmann. he isn't takin gsp down or rubbing him. I think he gasses and gets finished.

[poopoo333]

Let's just say I won't be surprised if Shields wins, and I won't be surprised if GSP puts on some spectacular performance and outclasses Shields and further proves why he is the #1 WW in the world and arguably the #1 p4p fighter in the world. I just do not think Shields will stand in front of GSP like Koscheck and look for an overhand right while eating jabs like they are potato chips. Shields will just keep going for the TDs.

[Thewisemann]

If he wouldn't have tried to sub him, he had it all day

[zY|]

Let's just say I won't be surprised if Shields wins, and I won't be surprised if GSP puts on some spectacular performance and outclasses Shields and further proves why he is the #1 WW in the world and arguably the #1 p4p fighter in the world. I just do not think Shields will stand in front of GSP like Koscheck and look for an overhand right while eating jabs like they are potato chips. Shields will just keep going for the TDs.

So he'll look like Thales Leites fighting Anderson Silva?

[SPX]

sshields couldn't take Lawler down, and he couldn't sub mayhem, hendo or kampmann.

Shields got saved by the bell against Mayhem. He was on his was to RNC City.

[Vandelay]

Shields is incredibly difficult to submit. Miller had a rnc locked in tight for a good 5 seconds, he survived the h-bomb, he's been in it with guys that hit hard and are technical. He doesnt get discouraged with a failed td attempt. Hes got one of the best camps around and has been training with the best wrestlers n the sport. Gsp will have to finish him on the ground if the wants to end the fight and I think that will be a hard thing to do.

[SPX]

So he'll look like Thales Leites fighting Anderson Silva?

I think that's very possible.

[Luke]

I agree. Kampmann arguably won that fight anyway.

yeah yeah and the Thiago-KOS fight was stopped early .......I know I know he was recovering

[SPX]

yeah yeah and the Thiago-KOS fight was stopped early .......I know I know he was recovering

Nigga was still 100% conscious.

[Luke]

What if said I was told by someone Shields was outwrestling Sonnen in practice would that change your mind about him being able to takedown GSP?

[SPX]

What if said I was told by someone Shields was outwrestling Sonnen in practice would that change your mind about him being able to takedown GSP?

Nope.

Besides, I never said anything about his taking GSP down. He might land a takedown, but I don't think he'll be able to hold GSP down or outwrestle him in any significant capacity.

[zY|]

What if said I was told by someone Shields was outwrestling Sonnen in practice would that change your mind about him being able to takedown GSP?

No, that would sound like the rest of the bullshit you hear about guys' camps.

[Luke]

See nothing would change you minds . You'd still think BJ is the best 155 pounder in the world had he got his ass beat by Edgar

[SPX]

See nothing would change you minds . You'd still think BJ is the best 155 pounder in the world had he got his ass beat by Edgar

Seems I remember you echoing similar sentiments about BJ before the Edgar fight.

[zY|]

See nothing would change you minds . You'd still think BJ is the best 155 pounder in the world had he got his ass beat by Edgar

Well, if he had beaten Edgar then he still would be. Although honestly, he did beat Edgar the first time.

BTW pretty sure I was the only one giving Frankie a chance before UFC 112.

[Luke]

No, that would sound like the rest of the bullshit you hear about guys' camps.

Yeah I'm not a donk that believes everything they hear "Carwin's best round is the 5th" ,Rumble was going to stand with Hardy etc. I'd have to hear something from someone respectable thats seen it with their own eyes ,not something posted on bloodyelbow .

[Vandelay]

Shields attains mount in almost every one of his fights. I actually cant remember the last time he didnt get mount. He is extremely good at improving his position.

[zY|]

Shields attains mount in almost every one of his fights. I actually cant remember the last time he didnt get mount. He is extremely good at improving his position.

So does GSP.

[Luke]

Seems I remember you echoing similar sentiments about BJ before the Edgar fight.


Negative ghost rider ,I was the only one not on BJ in either fight


InB4poopooSAYSheWASNTeither

[SPX]

BTW pretty sure I was the only one giving Frankie a chance before UFC 112.

I had a bet on Frankie and lobbied pretty hard for him.

[zY|]

I had a bet on Frankie and lobbied pretty hard for him.

Probably talked you into it.

[SPX]

Negative ghost rider ,I was the only one not on BJ in either fight


InB4poopooSAYSheWASNTeither

So you thought Edgar would beat BJ?

Besides, you not being on a fight when the line on the favorite was -600 is not uncommon. It doesn't necessarily mean that you had some super-special feeling about Edgar.

[SPX]

Probably talked you into it.

You're trying to piss me off now.

[Luke]

So you thought Edgar would beat BJ?

Besides, you not being on a fight when the line on the favorite was -600 is not uncommon. It doesn't necessarily mean that you had some super-special feeling about Edgar.

Actually I just looked at the UFC 112 thread and I didnt have a single thing to say about Penn-Edgar. I was on Hughes over Renzo in that event .

I didnt say I thought Edgar was going to win but I sure as heck wasnt praising Penn as a god like most people were

[Luke]

Probably talked you into it.


Pretty sure I just read that in the UFC 112 thread.

[SPX]

. . . I sure as heck wasnt praising Penn as a god like most people were

But Penn IS a god.

[Vandelay]

So does GSP.

GSP does not get mount very often. he prefers to stay in guard, half-guard and side control. Off the top of my head, he didn't get mount against penn and fitch and didn't hold it very long if he got it on hardy and alves. Koscheck fight was a standup fight.

[zY|]

He mounted Fitch, but w/e, you're right. Point being though, GSP shreds guards.

[Vandelay]

I'm just trying to prove that Shields is capable of holding down GSP when hes not gassed.

[edman5555]

I am starting to think Shields will put up more of a fight than I orginally figured but I can't see putting a bet on him. His standup is basically non existent. He will have to out wrestle GSP. Thats what it comes down to. He can't sub him if he can't get him down and he can't win a decision striking. He's a tough kid, Hendo hit him hard and he rebounded. He's a great wrestler/grappler, he controlled Hendo. He beat Yushin Okami. The only problem is George is the wrestler killer. He demolished Fitch, destroyed Koscheck, and beat hughes. I honestly don't know where he stands against them as a wrestler/grappler. It's hard to call. I guess we should consider him a better wrestler than all of them for arguments sake but how much does that amount to? They were barely competitive. On top of that, he looked like shit against Kampmann. I expect him to be much better for this fight but will he be on par with GSP in terms of conditioning/strength? He gassed after R1 in his last fight. I know it was from the weight cut/shift to 170 but it still might have an effect. Who knows, maybe not. Either way this is a bad match up for Jake.

[Mr. IWS]

See nothing would change you minds . You'd still think BJ is the best 155 pounder in the world had he got his ass beat by Edgar

He is...................When he is motivated.

::handshake::

[Mr. IWS]

I think this is a case where Shields backers are just trying to justify a reason that he can win, which is supposed to be what you should do when handicapping a fight.

That said, after the fight, Niggas will be saying how that was another bullshit GSP win, he needs to move up and fight Silva, why was Shields there, he should have lost to Kampmann, almost lost to Mayhem, etc, etc, etc.

GSP via Riddum/Ape Technique

[poopoo333]

So he'll look like Thales Leites fighting Anderson Silva?

No. Thales Leites didn't go for many TDs compared to flopping to his back like an annoying little fucker.


Negative ghost rider ,I was the only one not on BJ in either fight


InB4poopooSAYSheWASNTeither

I obviously didn't put a straight bet on BJ at UFC 112 because he was like -50050302105, but I had him in a trap parlay with Anderson Silva and GSP and some other guys. I had a good feeling in the 2nd fight but I was dumb and only put like 0.25u on it.

[Mr. IWS]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/582526/shields-girl_medium.jpg

Fuck Shields and his overbite.

[MMA_scientist]

GSP is going to win easy, I am with Wisemann here. Shields has to outwrestle GSP for 3 of 5 rounds. I doubt very much that he subs him. I think GSP will win ITD.

[Thewisemann]

GSP by tko after shields gasses, I think shields will be more prepared for the cut this time, but I think by 3 rds he will be done.

[Thewisemann]

iI was on Edgar both fights.

[Ludo]

I'm not really concerned with GSP losing. I just don't see how Shields is going to get it done outside of a really good guillotine. Shields is not an arm/leg guy. He almost never goes for arm or leg submission attempts because he's almost purely a positional grappler. He doesn't go for submissions so much to finish as he does to open up the door for a sweep or a reverse somewhere. All that said I think GSP rips him apart here. Shields can't strike for shit with St Pierre but the problem is the range that GSP likes to strike from. He comes in from outside with those karate style kicks and uses alot of footwork and angles for his jabs. I wouldn't call Koscheck a slow fighter by any means and GSP had hit him and gotten back out of range by the time Koscheck could even start his swing almost every time. Nobody is going to hold GSP down for three rounds outside of Roger Gracie or Chael Sonnen at this point. GSP is just too strong and too good at getting back up for that. Koscheck got him down on two occasions in the last fight and neither time were they on the ground for more than 15 seconds at a time. That said I think Shields is going to be relentless with the takedowns if he can get close enough to tie GSP up. Thats going to be a problem though, because Georges likes to sit on the outside and then come in when he's attacking. We've seen that fast twitch muscle ability on GSP when shooting, there is no reason to believe he won't be able to use it the other way. Shields is going to have to abandon his positioning style grappling for this fight in favor of a super aggressive submission game because thats his only shot. We saw how positional grappling worked for Jon Fitch.

Betting Machida doesn't really have Me worried here despite the Rampage fight. At this point I don't think Randy is dangerous standing as shown in the Minotauro fight. In fact I think this fight looks very similar to that. Machida will likely drop Randy striking and follow him down to the ground to negate Couture's ability to clinchfuck against the cage. Thats assuming he doesn't just blast Randy and knock him the hell out. I think Machida really showed too much respect for Rampage's power when they fought. By that I mean he was TOO reserved and pretty much just let Page walk him down for the first two rounds hoping something was going to continually open up. Had Machida fought the rest of the fight like he did in the third round that fight never would have seen round three. Lyoto doesn't have to worry about getting Shogun'd by Randy Couture.

Jose Aldo really concerns Me from a betting standpoint. Hominick is no joke and could feasibly win a decision if this is a pure striking battle. We know Aldo hasn't had to use his ground game but it's hard to lay down money on the hope that he'll use it this time. Some fighters just don't fight to they're own strengths and look to go out for the brutal knockout style win.

I have been thinking on parlaying the three of these guys because in all reality they have great chances of winning these fights. My issue is things seem almost too good to be true here.

[edman5555]

I hear what your saying about Hominick. I feel like he may get knocked out in this fight though. His path to victory is striking with Aldo, which could increase his chances of getting knocked out. Homincks wins aren't really that impressive and he has a lot of losses. He beat leonard garcia via split dec(I know), knocked out Roop who isnt good at all, knocked out Jaboin who is a good striker but almost ko'd hominick in the process, beat Yves Edwards which is pretty good, and beat a bunch of other guys that aren't that good. He has 8 losses, he just doesn't seem that amazing. He is good though. I think Aldo should beat him though.

[Luke]

Jake Ellenberger Steps in to Face Sean Pierson at UFC 129 in Toronto http://ht.ly/4zN6Y (http://ht.ly/4zN6Y)

[SPX]

Jake Ellenberger Steps in to Face Sean Pierson at UFC 129 in Toronto http://ht.ly/4zN6Y (http://ht.ly/4zN6Y)

Well what the fuck happened to Alves?

[Luke]

Well what the fuck happened to Alves?


What the heck are you talking about ? Alves is fighting Rick Story at UFC 130

[SPX]

What the heck are you talking about ? Alves is fighting Rick Story at UFC 130

Oh yeah.

I get those two confused.

[Luke]

Oh yeah.

I get those two confused.


Oh, ok . For a second there you had me thinking I was crazy

[zY|]

Ellenberger is replacing Brian Foster who had a brain hemorrhage after he had his testicle removed.

[Luke]

Ellenberger is replacing Brian Foster who had a brain hemorrhage after he had his testicle removed.

So whos taking Alves's place?

[zY|]

So whos taking Alves's place?

10-8 Leonard Garcia

[Luke]

10-8 Leonard Garcia


::lmao::

[Thewisemann]

Bocek by dec
GSP
Aldo
Machida
.25u to win 1.58u

[poopoo333]

What do you guys think about Claude Patrick vs Daniel Roberts?

[Luke]

Holy shit ....we were so busy playing celebrity look alike today I didnt realized odds came out


http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3543.png


Opening odds were Diaz -160 Rory +120

[poopoo333]

That line shifted a lot back and forth

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, that is a tough fight to cap. I think Diaz wins it though.

[Luke]

That line shifted a lot back and forth


You knew it was up and didnt post it ? ...................banned

[SPX]

I would've taken Rory at +120.

[poopoo333]

You knew it was up and didnt post it ? ...................banned

I was at work