View Full Version : Ufc 130
poopoo333
01-07-2011, 03:34 PM
Roy Nelson vs Frank Mir
Stefan Struve vs Travis Browne
Thiago Alves vs Rick Story
Mr. IWS
01-07-2011, 04:25 PM
Dam nigga, just like that? Murr vs Nelson.
Dam nigga, just like that? Murr vs Nelson.
thats just today......tomorrow they will both be fighting someone different
Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs. Thiago Silva targeted for UFC 130 http://bit.ly/i7fGbF (http://bit.ly/i7fGbF)
good fight
edman5555
01-07-2011, 06:26 PM
I have no idea who wins that one.
Report: Anthony Pettis Makes UFC Debut Against Clay Guida - http://5thRound.com/KW (http://5thround.com/KW)
High5
01-11-2011, 12:17 AM
Report: Anthony Pettis Makes UFC Debut Against Clay Guida - http://5thRound.com/KW (http://5thround.com/KW)
Excellent!
At one time it was rumored that 130 would be where Edgar vs. Maynard 3 would take place, if so this card will be epic!
Pettis wins first round by w/e he wants. Guida is a complete bum.
Pettis wins first round by w/e he wants. Guida is a complete bum.
The bitter, spiteful words of a crushed pride fanboy.
Rumor: Lensar wants Mir for maybe his last UFC fight , that would put Carwin vs Nelson at UFC 131. Jesus ............just make a damn fight and stick with it
poopoo333
01-11-2011, 03:59 PM
lol, his last UFC fight. I guess he wants a final payday/good match up for him.
Mr. IWS
01-11-2011, 04:07 PM
Rumor: Lensar wants Mir for maybe his last UFC fight , that would put Carwin vs Nelson at UFC 131. Jesus ............just make a damn fight and stick with it
LOL @ Brocky
He did the same shit in the WWE when he "fought" Goldberg at Wrestlemania, when everyone knew he was leaving to try out for the NFL.
I wish Dana would just make him fight Cain again, for the lulz.
poopoo333
01-11-2011, 04:10 PM
It would be nice to see a Brock/Carwin rematch.
It would be nice to see a Brock/Carwin rematch.
I'd be down with that.
In retrospect, there's really no reason Brock should've won that fight. I'm sure Carwin would train harder and pick his shots better in a rematch.
I'd be down with that.
In retrospect, there's really no reason Brock should've won that fight. I'm sure Carwin would train harder and pick his shots better in a rematch.
I'm sure Carwins cardio is better than what he showed in that fight but I doubt he can go 5 rounds .
Rumor: Lensar wants Mir for maybe his last UFC fight , that would put Carwin vs Nelson at UFC 131. Jesus ............just make a damn fight and stick with it
LOL so much for that rumor^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mr. IWS
01-12-2011, 12:04 PM
LOL so much for that rumor^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The way that shit has been changing, that may have very well been what Lesnar wanted.
poopoo333
01-15-2011, 05:21 PM
Apparently Edgar/Maynard 3 is set for this card.
Wanderlei Silva Returns Against Brian Stann at UFC 130 - http://5thRound.com/JwA (http://5thround.com/JwA)
This is going to be a great card
I really hate now that Leben took that fight with Stann.
poopoo333
02-03-2011, 02:22 PM
This card is fucking stacked. Wow.
poopoo333
02-09-2011, 03:32 PM
Thiago Silva Out of UFC 130 - Rashad Evans In (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/9/1984306/thiago-silva-out-of-ufc-130-rashad-evans-in)
(http://mmajunkie.com/news/22401/thiago-silvas-status-in-doubt-for-ufc-130-rampage-jackson-could-face-rashad-evans.mma)
Thiago Silva Out of UFC 130 - Rashad Evans In (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/9/1984306/thiago-silva-out-of-ufc-130-rashad-evans-in)
(http://mmajunkie.com/news/22401/thiago-silvas-status-in-doubt-for-ufc-130-rampage-jackson-could-face-rashad-evans.mma)
gay........... not a rematch I care to see at all.
Who knows wtf is happening with that. Silva says he has heard nothing, isn't injured, and is looking forward to fighting Rampage. Then there's some speculation about NSAC drug tests from 125.
Click the link again, there's like a billion updates with all sorts of conflicting nonsense.
Who knows wtf is happening with that. Silva says he has heard nothing, isn't injured, and is looking forward to fighting Rampage. Then there's some speculation about NSAC drug tests from 125.
Click the link again, there's like a billion updates with all sorts of conflicting nonsense.
LOL so Silva doesnt know he failed his drug test but Dana does...........thats funny
And gay again on this matchup
Mr. IWS
02-10-2011, 11:44 AM
Kinda sucks for Vera if Thiago did get popped for roids.
poopoo333
02-10-2011, 12:07 PM
Kinda sucks for Vera if Thiago did get popped for roids.
Not really, now he has an excuse.
http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3596.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
It's stupid how they are coming out with odds for fights that aren't even close to being confirmed, and not giving lines for fights like Alves/Story and Mir/Nelson
^^^^those odds look about right to me
^^^^those odds look about right to me
I agree.
Considering Rashad has already beat him, and pretty decisively too, I'm hoping money comes in on him. I'd take Rampage at +200, I think.
edman5555
02-10-2011, 01:18 PM
Rampage came pretty close to beating Rashad in that fight. He almost knocked him out.
Rampage came pretty close to beating Rashad in that fight. He almost knocked him out.
huh? Are you talking about that 10 second flurry in the 3rd round?
I agree.
Considering Rashad has already beat him, and pretty decisively too, I'm hoping money comes in on him. I'd take Rampage at +200, I think.
I'd probably take Page at +200 too but I doubt the line moves much either way
edman5555
02-10-2011, 02:00 PM
huh? Are you talking about that 10 second flurry in the 3rd round?
Didn't he drop Rashad with punches and get on top of him and rain more down? Then Rashad wrestled his way out of it?
edman5555
02-10-2011, 02:03 PM
I think the fight was a little closer than you remember. Jackson was coming off a long layoff also. I favor Rashad of course, but Jackson is always game.
poopoo333
02-10-2011, 02:06 PM
The fight wasn't close at all. Rashad won every part of that fight except for about 60 seconds of it
edman5555
02-10-2011, 02:07 PM
Yeah but in that 60 seconds he almost got knocked out. Rampage was also coming off of a long layoff and may have been rusty. I favor Rashad but now it's him who is coming off a long layoff against a potentially more game Rampage.
Didn't he drop Rashad with punches and get on top of him and rain more down? Then Rashad wrestled his way out of it?
Rampage did land one good punch.
Then he "rained down punches" that pretty much hit nothing but air.
If Rampage had been a little more patient after dropping Rashad then maybe he could've made those punches count, but he didn't.
Yeah but in that 60 seconds he almost got knocked out.
You're always saying that nigga's are almost getting knocked out.
Rashad got knocked DOWN. Neither you nor I have any idea how close he was to actually losing consciousness, especially since he looked a little flustered but not at all like his head wasn't in the game anymore.
Rashad vs Thiago Silva looked a lot more like an almost knockout to me.
edman5555
02-10-2011, 02:23 PM
It's good to have a skeptic around. Anyways, if you bet Rashad you should take him by Decision.
edman5555
02-10-2011, 02:24 PM
Which I *might* do.
edman5555
02-10-2011, 02:24 PM
Or maybe Rashad by decision + Rampage.
Didn't he drop Rashad with punches and get on top of him and rain more down? Then Rashad wrestled his way out of it?
that was the 10 second flurry I was talking about
Thiago Silva Admits to Failing UFC 125 Drug Test, Denies PED Usage - http://5thRound.com/TKo (http://5thround.com/TKo)
He's denying he did anything? No way
I read he tested positive in one sample and negative the other.
Thiago Silva Out of UFC 130 - Rashad Evans In (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/9/1984306/thiago-silva-out-of-ufc-130-rashad-evans-in)
(http://mmajunkie.com/news/22401/thiago-silvas-status-in-doubt-for-ufc-130-rampage-jackson-could-face-rashad-evans.mma)
Bloodyelbow is such a POS website, what a waste of space
Matt Hamill replaces Thiago Silva, faces "Rampage" Jackson at UFC 130 http://bit.ly/fBs7DU (http://bit.ly/fBs7DU)
Mr. IWS
02-11-2011, 06:19 PM
Ill take the money I was putting on Davis, and move it over to Rampage.
I think Rampage will be around -200 here , I could be way off though
I was thinking he would be higher. If he's -200 then I'll be on him.
But if Hamill's odds go through the roof then I'll put something small on him.
I was thinking he would be higher. If he's -200 then I'll be on him.
But if Hamill's odds go through the roof then I'll put something small on him.
If its higher than -200 I'm not betting it .
poopoo333
02-11-2011, 10:14 PM
Bloodyelbow is such a POS website, what a waste of space
Not really. Lots of places had this reported. Even bodog put odds up for the fight lol.
Luke, imo there is no fucking way Rampage will be -200
Yeah I'm forseeing Rampage being -300 or worse in this one. Hammill is at best a low end of the top 15 fighter.
poopoo333
02-11-2011, 11:28 PM
Jorge Santiago signed with the UFC and is debuting on this card. Who does he fight?
Luke, imo there is no fucking way Rampage will be -200
Jesus odds police I said I could be way off. I also said I'm not betting it at more than -200
Jorge Santiago signed with the UFC and is debuting on this card. Who does he fight?
Does it really count as a debut? I remember when he got flattened by Leben and Alan Belcher headkicked him out of the UFC.
poopoo333
02-11-2011, 11:32 PM
Jesus odds police I said I could be way off. I also said I'm not betting it at more than -200
ya, I was just speculating that you are probably going to be way off.
<3
poopoo333
02-11-2011, 11:32 PM
Does it really count as a debut? I remember when he got flattened by Leben and Alan Belcher headkicked him out of the UFC.
hmm good point.
Yeah I'm forseeing Rampage being -300 or worse in this one. Hammill is at best a low end of the top 15 fighter.
Well Rampage has beat exactly 1 top 15 fighter in the last 3 years( Silva) and thats if you consider Silva top 15
I know I know I know he beat Machida on MMA judges scorecards but he didnt deserve that. I think you guys are giving Rampage way too much credit .
He lost to Griffin ,lost to Evans, won a close decision against Jardine and got a gift against Machida . He's not even close to deserving his #3 ranking. I expect him to win but ...............nevermind
I agree that Rampage hasn't looked that great lately. Minus the Silva KO has basically been fighting to really close decisions, whether win or lose.
And I think Rampage won via Machida when it comes to the 10 point must system. That's basically because nothing happened in the first two rounds and at least Page was aggressive. Machida did more actual fighting in the third round, and did more damage, than in the other two rounds combined.
Jardine was top 15.
It doesnt matter but I was meaning current top 15 fighters cause thats what Ludo was refering to Hamill as
poopoo333
02-12-2011, 12:37 AM
The real question is... who does Phil Davis fight now? I think they could put Krzysztof Soszynski, Vladimir Matyushenko, Jason Brilz, Kyle Kingsbury, or even Stephan Bonnar. I doubt they give him Bonnar though. That is a horrible match up for Bonnar.
poopoo333
02-12-2011, 09:45 AM
Rampage's twitter:
"I'm not interested in Fighting Matt,I rather fight Rashad,I have un finished business with him"
It's either Rampage doesn't accept the the fight or Rampage just doesn't care about this fight and doesn't take it seriously I am guessing
poopoo333
02-12-2011, 10:25 AM
Miguel Torres vs. Brad Pickett Slated for UFC 130 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/12/1989598/miguel-torres-vs-brad-pickett-slated-for-ufc-130)
edman5555
02-12-2011, 10:30 AM
Hamill is probably a better wrestler than Jackson. I think he might be pretty far behind in he standup though.
Mr. IWS
02-12-2011, 10:58 AM
The real question is... who does Phil Davis fight now?
He is fighthing Shogun no?
Real talk, Im on Davis no matter who he is fighting.
He is fighthing Shogun no?
Real talk, Im on Davis no matter who he is fighting.
Hell I thought he was fighting Ashton Kutcher tonight on Strikeforce
Jorge Santiago signed with the UFC and is debuting on this card. Who does he fight?
Brian Stann likely to meet Jorge Santiago, not Wanderlei Silva, at UFC 130 http://t.co/9RJqRnA (http://t.co/9RJqRnA)
,
Mr. IWS
02-12-2011, 07:52 PM
Vitor Vs Wandy?
Svino
02-12-2011, 09:04 PM
Vitor / Wandy be great for the UFC's return to Brazil.
poopoo333
02-13-2011, 09:12 PM
"Thiago Silva is still riding the wave of the notoriously outplayed You Tube footage of his Brandon Vera demolishing from UFC 125, but sometimes all good things come to an end. It has recently been reported that Silva has failed one of the two samples from the fight night claiming he had an illegal substance in his blood. This is yet another fighter to add to the roster of UFC men that are competing on a professional level with an illegal advantage.
Oddly enough, Thiago Alves is in the exact same situation with his blood test scores not being spoken of from the John Howard fight at UFC 124 back in December. There was a list of fighters published that came back with clean test results, with every single one from that fight card listed...except for Thiago Alves.
How frustrating these recent developments have been for fight fans as the Memorial Day UFC 130 card, held in Las Vegas as it was set up to be a monster of a card. Ironically, with both Thiago's scheduled to fight in that event. Silva was to face off against Rampage, and Alves against Rick Story. Thiago Alves has already fallen prey to the steroid lifestyle as he was suspended for eight months and fined $5,500 just following his winning performance at UFC 66.
Another interesting debate going on currently is how unfair this news may come to Brandon Vera. He was cut from the UFC franchise just days after losing to Silva and many feel as if he should be allowed back into the UFC. Vera did lose two fights prior to this Silva match, but in many ways he did lose to Thiago under unfair circumstances. Guess in the end the UFC will announce shortly if either of the Thiago's will be fighting in their 130 event in May."
http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/3324/2011-02-13.html
MMA_scientist
02-13-2011, 09:35 PM
^^
"This is yet another fighter to add to the roster of UFC men that are competing on a professional level with an illegal advantage."
"Thiago Alves has already fallen prey to the steroid lifestyle as he was suspended for eight months and fined $5,500 just following his winning performance at UFC 66. "
http://a1.phobos.apple.com/us/r1000/036/Purple/42/6b/1d/mzl.ljgpyakv.320x480-75.jpg
Actual research before publishing a news story ftw. Both samples have to be dirty for a + test... also, Alves was suspended for diuretics, not roids.
poopoo333
02-24-2011, 12:23 AM
Rampage: "I'll never get out of shape in between fights again"
http://i54.tinypic.com/2vtozyq.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/fa0pb7.jpg
poopoo333
02-24-2011, 02:32 PM
Lines for main card are up
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/357.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
I went ahead and threw 1u on Story @+210 and 2u on Stann @+110. Will probably get an arb opportunity on Stann
MMA_scientist
02-24-2011, 02:35 PM
Story is getting no respect AGAIN. I will take Story at that line. Going to let the Mir/Nelson line flush out, I think I can get better odds on Nelson in a fight I see as a coin flip.
poopoo333
02-24-2011, 02:42 PM
I am not sure how to look at Nelson/Mir.
MMA_scientist
02-24-2011, 02:57 PM
I am not sure how to look at Nelson/Mir.
I think the grappling is about even, but Roy will probably take top position with his commitment to top position. Mir is more willing to work off his back, and I don't this he will catch Roy, but he definitely COULD. Standup, I think it is close to even, edge to Mir. I see it as a true toss up.
Mir struggles with guys that can actually grapple. Pe De Pano, Vera, Lesnar, Carwin... he did beat Nog. I also think Roy's superior cardio might help him.
Mr. IWS
02-24-2011, 03:03 PM
I think the grappling is about even, but Roy will probably take top position with his commitment to top position. Mir is more willing to work off his back, and I don't this he will catch Roy, but he definitely COULD. Standup, I think it is close to even, edge to Mir. I see it as a true toss up.
Mir struggles with guys that can actually grapple. Pe De Pano, Vera, Lesnar, Carwin... he did beat Nog. I also think Roy's superior cardio might help him.
IIRC, (and I know this was years ago) but Mir was schooling Nelson at that NAGA event for the first few minutes, but like usual, he gassed out. Ill have to look at it again to be sure.
Mr. IWS
02-24-2011, 03:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dj5xMeXybs
Mr. IWS
02-24-2011, 03:15 PM
^^^^^^^^When Mir hit that escape at around the 5:58 mark, that was about it for him. LOL at that lazy shot when they were both standing.
MMA_scientist
02-24-2011, 03:56 PM
^^^^^^^^When Mir hit that escape at around the 5:58 mark, that was about it for him. LOL at that lazy shot when they were both standing.
lol, you think you posted the vid don't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dj5xMeXybs
Mir hits a lateral drop to go up 2-0, then MAYBE gets another 2 for a guard pass ( it is not clear that Roy ever re-establishes guard) ... but then he gets swept making it 4-2, then he taken down making it 4-4. Then Mir gasses out and Roy scores a couple more times. But Mir had a bunch of advantages for his submission attempts. I look at it 2 ways, if Mir didn't get the throw right away, he might have gotten shut out entirely because all his points came off of that. But on the flip side, had he thrown Roy like that in MMA, he probably would have pounded him out or gotten the submission.
Roy has definitely gotten bigger and stronger since that vid though, so I don't know that Mir is going to be throwing him again. But then again, Mir was close on a couple of armbars and had been in a mean mood, he might have just broke some shit off.
Not really. Lots of places had this reported. Even bodog put odds up for the fight lol.
Luke, imo there is no fucking way Rampage will be -200
-235 isnt far off -200 , you acted like I was on a completely different planet and the line was going to be -500
poopoo333
02-24-2011, 06:54 PM
-235 isnt far off -200 , you acted like I was on a completely different planet and the line was going to be -500
Opened at -260. I knew you were gonna say something lol. I figured it would have opened at like -285
Opened at -260. I knew you were gonna say something lol. I figured it would have opened at like -285
I didnt mean just you or anything by it,you guys had me thinking I was crazy for thinking it was going to be low lol
edman5555
02-24-2011, 08:38 PM
I think Rampage should win but I wouldn't underestimate Hamil. He has very good wrestling and he is strong as an ox.
Svino
02-24-2011, 09:03 PM
I think Rampage should win but I wouldn't underestimate Hamil. He has very good wrestling and he is strong as an ox.
I agree. I might bet Hamill at the current odds. Compare their striking vs. Jardine, for example. And the fact that Rampage had some problems with Evans' wrestling.
edman5555
02-24-2011, 09:24 PM
Yeah Hamill is not that bad at all. He was a three time D3 national champion.
Miguel Torres vs. Brad Pickett official for May's UFC 130 in Las Vegas http://t.co/Gu8sLS6 (http://t.co/Gu8sLS6)
poopoo333
03-20-2011, 03:19 PM
How do you guys feel about the Edgar/Maynard rematch? I think Edgar is going to win.
Svino
03-20-2011, 03:37 PM
How do you guys feel about the Edgar/Maynard rematch? I think Edgar is going to win.
This might be one of those fights where I'd be inclined to take either guy at + odds.
This might be one of those fights where I'd be inclined to take either guy at + odds.
That's how I'm feeling. Though I do think that Frankie will probably pull it out.
poopoo333
03-20-2011, 05:09 PM
I just think Frankie is going to keep improving. He controlled the pace of the fight after round 1 and made the proper adjustments after getting the fuck beat out of him for 4 minutes. He was able to take Maynard down, and utilize his movement against Maynard. However...Maynard might have "punched himself out" in the first round which may have been the cause of that. But I am guessing Edgar knows what he has to do to avoid getting rocked like that again and will mix things up even more in this fight with TDs/strikes.
Fuck it. I believe in Frankie.
1.3u to win 1u
edman5555
03-20-2011, 08:19 PM
IMO Frankie didn't really win any of those rounds by more than a hair and Gray did punch himself out. Randy Couture said that after the fight. Gray told him he punched himself out in the first round and he didn't have his legs under him for takedown attempts. This is what he told his coach. I think Gray holds the clear advantage in the standup and the wrestling.
edman5555
03-20-2011, 08:19 PM
I am amazed Gray is an underdog again.
poopoo333
03-20-2011, 08:20 PM
I am amazed Gray is an underdog again.
He was the favorite @UFC 125
IMO Frankie didn't really win any of those rounds by more than a hair and Gray did punch himself out. Randy Couture said that after the fight. Gray told him he punched himself out in the first round and he didn't have his legs under him for takedown attempts. This is what he told his coach. I think Gray holds the clear advantage in the standup and the wrestling.
I think it remains to be seen how the wrestling will play out. I wouldn't be surprised to see it cancel out.
On the feet, I honestly think that Frankie is clearly a better boxer. Gray hit him with a hard punch. People get caught. I think that kind of thing is the exception rather than the rule, especially when Gray doesn't have a history of (T)KOing guys in the past. From a technical standpoint, though, Frankie's boxing was clearly good enough to win him enough rounds that he still pulled out a draw despite losing two points in the first round and having to make up that ground.
edman5555
03-21-2011, 01:47 PM
Gray does have a history of dropping guys with punches. He dropped Nate Diaz 1 or 2 times in their fight. He almost killed Frankie.
edman5555
03-21-2011, 01:48 PM
Frankie has a good game but I will be on Gray for their next fight. Probably Gray by decision.
Johnny Unreliable
03-22-2011, 04:18 PM
Either at plus odds is prob the bet to make. I think frankie has better standup technique but grey has more power. In a fight this close having the ability to change the course of the fight with one punch is pretty important. I don't remember grey ever being too hurt from anything edgar threw. Edgar by dec or grey by tko might be good line dependant....
With frankies volume and work rate edgar might be able to steal rounds so id be careful with grey by dec as it should be a close fight if it does go to a decision
poopoo333
03-22-2011, 06:21 PM
Tim Boetsch drops to middleweight, faces Kendall Grove at UFC 130 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/22925/tim-boetsch-drops-to-middleweight-faces-kendall-grove-at-ufc-130.mma)
I'm betting Manyard -Edgar a draw
I would laugh my ass off if that shit happened.
Anyone here why Nate wants to drop to 170? I must have missed it
I don't know. Maybe he thinks he has a better shot against GSP than Silva.
I did think that he looked a little smaller than usual in this last fight than in the past.
He's not the biggest MW but he's still fucking jacked with a large frame. He would have to lose muscle mass to make 170, and I don't see how that's going to help him. 170 is a better division than 185, anyway, I think he'd just be another guy at 170 whereas he's a perennial contender at 185.
I don't see how he doesn't get wrecked by GSP.
I just saw somewhere where it said he wanted to go to 170 and he walks around in between fights at the same weight GSP does, never said why though. I was just wondering
poopoo333
03-22-2011, 09:48 PM
If he stays at middleweight for his next fight they should set him up with bisping if sonnen isn't back yet to fight bisping
Mr. IWS
03-23-2011, 09:01 AM
Anyone here why Nate wants to drop to 170? I must have missed it
Probably trying to get as far away from bones as possible.
poopoo333
04-04-2011, 10:25 PM
Decision prop on Maynard/Edgar -475
poopoo333
04-10-2011, 07:10 PM
Cody McKenzie vs. Bart Palaszewski Tapped for UFC 130 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/10/2102854/cody-mckenzie-vs-bart-palaszewski-tapped-for-ufc-130)
Decision prop on Maynard/Edgar -475
Thats just silly
poopoo333
04-24-2011, 01:23 AM
I'm not too sure on how Hamill beats Rampage
I don't expect him too, but Rampage really hasn't looked that great in a while. I really think that last time he looked truly good was when he knocked Wand straight the fuck out.
I thought he looked good against Machida. I mean, I still think he lost, but I thought he looked far better than the guy that showed up for the Jardine/Rashad fights. He was quick, looked to be in good shape, and appeared to have somewhat of a gameplan (used angles to cut off Machida's movement.)
Not sure how Hamill beats him either.
I'll probably toss a small half unit bet on Hammil. I see no reason why he can't duplicate the gameplan Rashad used on Rampage. He's every bit the wrestler Rashad is, and while he may not have the technique striking he has decent power in his hands and good footwork. Chances are Rampage pummels his squishy head but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he steals a round or two.
As far as Edgar/Maynard 3 goes I'm already down for 2.6u on Frankie. Barring that Sin City like beatdown in round one Edgar really took control of that fight. Round 3 was close enough to be scored for Gray but after I rewatched it recently I had Edgar winning rounds 2, 4, and 5. On the whole Edgar is the faster fighter with better boxing and much better movement. I'm not so sure lightning strikes twice here.
Well I seriously doubt he'll be duplicating the gameplan Rashad used because Rashad is the fastest guy in the division and Hamill moves like old people fuck.
poopoo333
04-24-2011, 11:30 AM
As far as Edgar/Maynard 3 goes I'm already down for 2.6u on Frankie. Barring that Sin City like beatdown in round one Edgar really took control of that fight. Round 3 was close enough to be scored for Gray but after I rewatched it recently I had Edgar winning rounds 2, 4, and 5. On the whole Edgar is the faster fighter with better boxing and much better movement. I'm not so sure lightning strikes twice here.
Yeah, I think Edgar will come back improved like he has been doing in every fight, and really beat Maynard somewhat decisively. He will know what to expect and I highly doubt Maynard will almost murder Edgar again. I am gonna wait until the line starts moving, I am sure closer to fight time money will come in on Edgar.
Well I seriously doubt he'll be duplicating the gameplan Rashad used because Rashad is the fastest guy in the division and Hamill moves like old people fuck.
Yeah, that was my thinking.
I'll probably toss a small half unit bet on Hammil. I see no reason why he can't duplicate the gameplan Rashad used on Rampage. He's every bit the wrestler Rashad is, .
...............
edman5555
04-24-2011, 11:53 AM
Well I seriously doubt he'll be duplicating the gameplan Rashad used because Rashad is the fastest guy in the division and Hamill moves like old people fuck.
Ha. I think he has a chance but that was funny.
edman5555
04-24-2011, 11:54 AM
I'll probably toss a small half unit bet on Hammil. I see no reason why he can't duplicate the gameplan Rashad used on Rampage. He's every bit the wrestler Rashad is, and while he may not have the technique striking he has decent power in his hands and good footwork. Chances are Rampage pummels his squishy head but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he steals a round or two.
As far as Edgar/Maynard 3 goes I'm already down for 2.6u on Frankie. Barring that Sin City like beatdown in round one Edgar really took control of that fight. Round 3 was close enough to be scored for Gray but after I rewatched it recently I had Edgar winning rounds 2, 4, and 5. On the whole Edgar is the faster fighter with better boxing and much better movement. I'm not so sure lightning strikes twice here.
I don't think Frankie is a better boxer than Gray. He almost got knocked out by Gray.
Frankie is a better boxer.
poopoo333
04-24-2011, 12:07 PM
I will be betting Edgar. I think that he will make the adjustments to avoid another UFC 125 round 1. After round 1 at UFC 125 he made adjustments (or maybe even kept going with his original game plan) and was out striking Maynard. He even mixed some takedowns and stuffed Maynard. I have a pretty good feeling about Edgar in this fight.
I might bet on Rampage, I think he wins a decision.
I have no idea on Mir/Nelson.
Not sure on Struve/Browne either. If Browne is like +175 or better he may be worth a small play.
I already bet on Stann for being an American hero (and I think he will win).
I already bet on Rick Story to beat Thiago Alves but I might hedge out of it. (good idea or no? I got Story at +210)
Mighty Mouse will beat Miguel Torres because he is black
edman5555
04-24-2011, 12:14 PM
I don't know about Edgar/Maynard. Gray outwrestled him the first fight and outstruck him the second fight.
I would stick with Story at +210, PP.
I think he has a decent chance to win and if his line creeps back up then I'll be on him, too.
Gray . . . outstruck him the second fight.
That was a five-round fight. Not a one-round fight.
Thewisemann
04-24-2011, 12:32 PM
Edgar is my pick, but I don't know if I can bet it. He pretty much won every rd after the 1st, but how much of that was because Gray punched himself out.
Thewisemann
04-24-2011, 12:33 PM
I'll be on Alves.y
edman5555
04-24-2011, 01:18 PM
Edgar is my pick, but I don't know if I can bet it. He pretty much won every rd after the 1st, but how much of that was because Gray punched himself out.
According to Randy Couture Gray said that he punched himself out in the first round and had a lot of trouble getting his legs underneath him to outwrestle Frankie from that point on.
According to Randy Couture Gray said that he punched himself out in the first round and had a lot of trouble getting his legs underneath him to outwrestle Frankie from that point on.
Could be . This fight might end up being real close
edman5555
04-24-2011, 01:20 PM
I'll be on Alves.y
I also think Alves takes that one. I don't think Rick Story is that great, I mean he is good and all but Alves is really freakin good when he is on. He was on for his last fight. I think he will be on for this fight as well.
edman5555
04-24-2011, 01:21 PM
Could be . This fight might end up being real close
Yeah that is what I am thinking as well. I probably won't bet unless I am betting Gray and if I do bet Gray it will be Gray by decision.
Rick Story beat Johny Hendricks, future welterweight champ of the world, don't you know?
edman5555
04-24-2011, 01:28 PM
Rick Story beat Johny Hendricks, future welterweight champ of the world, don't you know?
Ha yes but even Hendricks gave him some trouble and Hendricks has had some trouble with a few guys as well. TA has good takedown D and good hands. I can see how he beats Story. BTW I know that he looked like shit against Fitch and GSP but GSP is a machine and he looked like absolute crap at the weigh in for Fitch. A lot depends on the weigh in with Alves, like always.
Thewisemann
04-24-2011, 01:40 PM
Alves weight will be fine I believe, and he will be on. I think he's gonna Fuck Story up.
Could be . This fight might end up being real close
I think it might be.
I don't really buy that Gray was more spent from punching himself out than Edgar was from the beating he took. I mean, this wasn't Carwin/Lesnar where 90% of the shots are getting blocked. Edgar was getting tagged flush and hard repeatedly on the chin. That shit will tire you out. I think Edgar will always outlast Maynard.
edman5555
04-24-2011, 04:46 PM
I think it might be.
I don't really buy that Gray was more spent from punching himself out than Edgar was from the beating he took. I mean, this wasn't Carwin/Lesnar where 90% of the shots are getting blocked. Edgar was getting tagged flush and hard repeatedly on the chin. That shit will tire you out. I think Edgar will always outlast Maynard.
Yeah thats true Edgar will always outlast Maynard. It's tough to call but a guy at Udog odds that outwrestled his opponent in the first fight and almost KO'd him in the second is hard to pass up. Especially since I think he will win a decision which will pump the odds up a bit.
OH BTW I received my checks from BODOG and 5DIMEs. I have yet to cash/receive them though.
Let's hope they don't bounce.
Let's hope they don't bounce.
I've actually heard a few times bodog checks bouncing .
Make sure when you are depositing those out of country checks the feds arent there or they'll arrest on the spot
edman5555
04-25-2011, 01:26 PM
Are you serious about Feds arresting on the spot? You have heard of this?
poopoo333
04-25-2011, 04:34 PM
Are you serious about Feds arresting on the spot? You have heard of this?
Yep. The guy I know in person who showed me online gambling for the first time, and 2 weeks later he was arrested 5 minutes after cashing a check, he just got out 2 months ago.
In neither fight did Gray outbox Frankie overall. He caught him and beat the fuck out of him for the first round of the second fight but got outdone both boxing and wrestling from that point on. It's hard to imagine that Maynard was more tired from almost killing Edgar than Edgar was in barely surviving that horrendous beating. It's clear Edgar has the cardio to go full speed for ten rounds if need be.
edman5555
04-25-2011, 05:08 PM
Yep. The guy I know in person who showed me online gambling for the first time, and 2 weeks later he was arrested 5 minutes after cashing a check, he just got out 2 months ago.
Don't bullshit me.
edman5555
04-25-2011, 05:09 PM
In neither fight did Gray outbox Frankie overall. He caught him and beat the fuck out of him for the first round of the second fight but got outdone both boxing and wrestling from that point on. It's hard to imagine that Maynard was more tired from almost killing Edgar than Edgar was in barely surviving that horrendous beating. It's clear Edgar has the cardio to go full speed for ten rounds if need be.
That's ridiculous. He almost killed frankie in the first round
That's ridiculous. He almost killed frankie in the first round
And only a couple of those punches were landed fully standing. Most of them were from Gray following Frankie around and blasting him when he was down or trying to get up or trying to get away. I wouldn't exactly call that "outboxing" someone. He definitely hurt him and damn near finished him as the round progressed but the fact of the matter is he got outstruck from that point on pretty clearly.
edman5555
04-25-2011, 06:15 PM
True. However if I remember correctly frankie did not land anything significant in those rou ds
True. However if I remember correctly frankie did not land anything significant in those rou ds
Boxing is about more than just landing power shots. Frankie landed more jabs, more kicks, and made Maynard whiff a bunch of times. Edgar rarely lands anything "significant" it's just not in his nature as a fighter. He's all about the long haul and not very concerned with landing that one punch KO. You won't see him landing a whole lot thats "significant" just like you won't see Jon Fitch landing a ton of power shots standing.
Edgar is the better boxer
. . . and made Maynard whiff a bunch of times.
What does this mean?
What does this mean?
I think the boxing term he's looking for is bob and weave.
edit : at least thats what I think he means
poopoo333
04-25-2011, 06:58 PM
I think he means made Maynard swing and miss
Ludo describing boxing and no one knows what he's talking about = http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp181/aasilva23/FAIL/FailStamp.jpg
Johnny Unreliable
04-25-2011, 07:07 PM
Yep. The guy I know in person who showed me online gambling for the first time, and 2 weeks later he was arrested 5 minutes after cashing a check, he just got out 2 months ago.
And charged him with what exactly? Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. I've cashed several checks from Bodog with no problems the last being about six months ago.
It means he made Maynard swing and miss. So yeah I was sort of talking about bobbing and weaving.
poopoo333
04-25-2011, 07:33 PM
And charged him with what exactly? Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. I've cashed several checks from Bodog with no problems the last being about six months ago.
April fools
I was wondering how long that was going to go on before PP said HA HA FOOLED YOU.
edman5555
04-25-2011, 08:37 PM
Dirty bastards, but I still like you. That aside, don't bet on Frankie unless you bet on Frankie by decision. He isn't ko'ing Gray or subbing him so at least bet the prop. I think it's risky though. Like I said, Gray totally outwrestled him the first fight and almost Ko'd him the second. He may have gotten outboxed the rest of the second fight but it was by a slim margin.
all this talk makes me want to rewatch the fights. Anyone got links to the edgar -maynard fights?
poopoo333
04-26-2011, 07:23 AM
http://megavideo.com/?v=0EMEQ5B2
http://megavideo.com/?v=0EMEQ5B2
thanks poopoo
http://megavideo.com/?v=0EMEQ5B2
obv no one else has watched this or we would have heard bitching or LOLing by now
PP, prepare to die.
How's that?
poopoo333
04-28-2011, 08:48 PM
hehe
PP, prepare to die.
How's that?
Much better
poopoo333
04-28-2011, 09:08 PM
I am going to start uploading more vids after I torrent the events.
I support that.
PP: The Official IWS Vid Uploader.
Direct your requests to him.
poopoo333
04-28-2011, 09:24 PM
SPX, don't PM me asking me to upload gay porn vids. I don't have any.
Also, X go to the chat
SPX, don't PM me asking me to upload gay porn vids. I don't have any.
\
::lmao::::lmao::::lmao::
::baghead::
poopoo333
04-28-2011, 09:34 PM
SPX: I was more referring to COCKS...SPXlikesthem.
SPX: I was more referring to COCKS...SPXlikesthem.
::lmao::::lmao::::lmao::
obv no one else has watched this or we would have heard bitching or LOLing by now
I have now.
Well played, sir.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 01:25 PM
Pulled the trigger. 5u on Edgar
5u? Why such a big bet?
I favor Edgar, but I really do think this one could go either way.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 01:48 PM
I am just confident in it. And at -145 I like a big play because he is gonna win
Well I hope you're right.
edman5555
05-01-2011, 06:14 PM
Poopoo, frankie is only winning by decision so why don't you bet that instead? You might be able to get them to change it for you.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 06:19 PM
Poopoo, frankie is only winning by decision so why don't you bet that instead? You might be able to get them to change it for you.
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001006741/I_dunno_lol_answer_5_xlarge.png
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 06:24 PM
Scientist, how's this for a potential Scientist special?
Not Maynard by sub, Not Hamill by sub, Not Stann by sub, Not Browne by sub, Not Nelson by sub, Not Johnson by sub
Vandelay
05-01-2011, 06:27 PM
U might be able to include not guida by tko and not brookins by tko from the tuf finale if those props are out.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 06:30 PM
Speaking of that, I think I might bet Brookins if the line is good. I think people are going to obsess over the "Brookins left his chin out there and was getting tagged by Johnson" thing.
MMA_scientist
05-01-2011, 06:57 PM
Scientist, how's this for a potential Scientist special?
Not Maynard by sub, Not Hamill by sub, Not Stann by sub, Not Browne by sub, Not Nelson by sub, Not Johnson by sub
::thumbdown:: Do not like.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 07:00 PM
What ruins it for you?
Vandelay
05-01-2011, 07:04 PM
Which one dont you like? Only one I can envision happening is the mighty mouse sub
Thewisemann
05-01-2011, 07:05 PM
Not nelson by sub. Mir could tap to strikes
Vandelay
05-01-2011, 07:09 PM
Mir just gives up. He doesnt really tap. If he absorbed the beatings that Lesnar and Carwin dished out (and vera too). I doubt he taps to a nelson pounding.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 07:10 PM
I really have no idea about Nelson/Mir. I am leaning Mir but I think I will just stay away
MMA_scientist
05-01-2011, 07:33 PM
What ruins it for you?
Well it depends on the payout. Now that I look at it again in a little more detail, it will probably hit. I would be a little tiny bit worried about Stann, even though Santiago has never been subbed, Stann is coming out massively improved in every fight now, and he subbed that one grappler guy. And I have a little concern about Johnson, not much though. It is probably worth a bet if you can get -300 on it. I don't know anything about Browne's ground game... Struve is overrated on the ground though, someone decent could definitely submit him.
MMA_scientist
05-01-2011, 07:34 PM
Oh and Hammill and Rampage, I would just take whoever has better odds, since neither will submit the other.
On a side note, these things hit regularly for me. I wish some other books would start offering more props. Who else offers props besides 5d?
edman5555
05-01-2011, 07:40 PM
Oh and Hammill and Rampage, I would just take whoever has better odds, since neither will submit the other.
On a side note, these things hit regularly for me. I wish some other books would start offering more props. Who else offers props besides 5d?
You should parlay all those not so and so by sub with whatever straight bets you make. I did that with Not Rory inside the distance for 129 and it worked out great. That was at -410 by itself.
Vandelay
05-01-2011, 07:45 PM
Santiago is a grappler with a questionable chin. Stann will definitely look to knock him out and I dont think its likely that he would catch the bjj black belt in a sub off his back. Browne is a brawler who is fighting a superior grappler.
MMA_scientist
05-01-2011, 07:48 PM
You should parlay all those not so and so by sub with whatever straight bets you make. I did that with Not Rory inside the distance for 129 and it worked out great. That was at -410 by itself.
I do that for arbitrage all the time. For example I bet Ellenberger @ -210, but then wanted out of it, but I could only get Pierson @ +165. So I did Pierson/not Machida by sub/not something else... and I actually had a + arbitrage. I do that all the time.
As for just doing to beef up returns, I said I was going to do that a while back, but I never have started doing it yet.
MMA_scientist
05-01-2011, 07:51 PM
Santiago is a grappler with a questionable chin. Stann will definitely look to knock him out and I dont think its likely that he would catch the bjj black belt in a sub off his back. Browne is a brawler who is fighting a superior grappler.
I generally agree... but he caught Massenzio (although admittedly it was because Massenzio gassed out). I know nothing of Browne's ground game.
Torres probably would not get subbed either, but he has been guillotined by a physically stronger fighter before...
I might change my mind and roll with poopoo on it.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 07:54 PM
Kendall Grove is going to beat Tim Boetsch's ass.
Vandelay
05-01-2011, 07:56 PM
Also, not alves by sub/not story itd might be worth putting it in their. Not story itd distance should be under -1000
edman5555
05-01-2011, 07:59 PM
Not story inside the distance will probably bet better than -1000. I got -410 on not Rory Mcdonald inside the distance and Nate is notoriously hard to finish
edman5555
05-01-2011, 08:00 PM
I feel like these props could turn out to be a big cash cow for us. Props to Scientist for starting this.
edman5555
05-01-2011, 08:02 PM
nevermind not story inside the distance is -917
edman5555
05-01-2011, 08:02 PM
Mir/Lesnar/Maynard 3 round D/Not Hamil ITd/Not Story inside ITD pays out 12 to 1. Not bad.
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 08:05 PM
How is Maynard going to win a 3 round decision in a 5 round fight?
How is Maynard going to win a 3 round decision in a 5 round fight?
http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr124/mirjam13/lol.gif
poopoo333
05-01-2011, 08:09 PM
btw edman, good looking out. Didn't know all these props for the card were out yet, they just came out today
edman5555
05-01-2011, 08:10 PM
How is Maynard going to win a 3 round decision in a 5 round fight?
I will decide who wins after 3 rounds are up.
MMA_scientist
05-01-2011, 09:37 PM
Scientist, how's this for a potential Scientist special?
It is called a motherfuckin magic parlay. It is the inverse of the wisemann special.
I feel like these props could turn out to be a big cash cow for us. Props to Scientist for starting this.
Thanks... They have been working out great for me. The only downside is that they are pretty much the backbone of my betting strategy now. If 5d ever goes under or bans me, I am not going to be able to bet because I don't know where else to find these props. I don't think they offer all the props in Vegas... ?
I can't take full credit for it though, poopoo actually gave me the idea.
poopoo333
05-02-2011, 12:43 AM
I can't take full credit for it though, poopoo actually gave me the idea.
Really?
Thewisemann
05-02-2011, 01:23 AM
thinkin about a couple units on Alves, gotta watch some more of Story.
poopoo333
05-02-2011, 01:27 AM
I have a bet on Story, but I am starting to think it's worthless and am thinking of getting out of it (I got him @ +210).
Thewisemann
05-02-2011, 01:29 AM
My first thoughts are that Alves will crush him.
poopoo333
05-02-2011, 01:33 AM
I kind of thought that Story would push the pace and have a shot at grinding Alves out and make it a fight against the fence. Alves has struggled with wrestlers, but they WERE Fitch and GSP. He handled Koscheck well, but then again Koscheck had the Sean Sherk disease in that fight IIRC
I definitely feel that Story has a chance here. I made a small play on him at, I think, +175 and I think it's a worthwhile bet. That certainly doesn't mean that he's going to win, but Alves better be ready to defend the takedown from a strong wrestler.
MMA_scientist
05-02-2011, 11:18 AM
Really?
Sort of. I was playing around with the never ending locks parlay, where I would take massive favorites and just roll the bet over in perpetuity. And I was winning pretty well with that (until I had a melt down and indoptically bet it all on Sokodjou). Sometime last year you were posting all these prop bets and some one else was doing the parlays...and I just started thinking, "what if I did the never ending locks and just strung together a bunch of shit that isn't going to happen." Then I just folded it into my regular bankroll. I have given up on the side project. It started out as a typical R&D project... I was mixing in a lot of boxing too. But after letting it flush out a little, it really works best for me with the submission props and occasional round props.
But IIRC you were playing around with a lot of the props, and they are not something I ever messed with.
edman5555
05-02-2011, 11:26 AM
I am feeling really good about this. With enough side props all I need is one or two solid bets and I can get close to even on just about anything. Maybe not everytime, but a lot of the time. And 60 percent of the time, it works everytime. Hopefully the government doesn't shut down sports betting.
MMA_scientist
05-02-2011, 11:42 AM
Yeah, it does help with the returns... but it is not free money, at some point you are going to lose the prop bet and win your underlying bet and then you will be pissed... but yeah, it probably won't be often enough to kill your return. I think you are on to something Edmann. I have already lost 1 magic parlay this year (Miller's kneebar on Oliveira). In hindsight, that was a stupid bet... but that is the way hindsight works.
MMA_scientist
05-02-2011, 11:44 AM
Luke or sbjj, is there anywhere in Vegas to find all these props on fights? Or am I going to have to move to Costa Rica so I can gamble?
edman5555
05-02-2011, 12:23 PM
I have not verified that they are in Costa Rica.
edman5555
05-02-2011, 12:24 PM
I think Antigua has casino's as well. I think there are some casinos based out of there. It might be Antigua, Guatemala though. I'm not sure. There are two. Maybe they both have gambling. I just need to move south.
Luke or sbjj, is there anywhere in Vegas to find all these props on fights? Or am I going to have to move to Costa Rica so I can gamble?
No. You are lucky if you get Main event props like GSP by decision. This weekend I placed my bets at the M, and there were NO prop bets offered at all. The venetian/Pallazo used to offer Main event props only, but i stopped going to the V because it is another 20 minutes drive and they started giving me shit at the sportsbook.
edman5555
05-02-2011, 12:34 PM
That is so lame. Prop bets are so important to have.
edman5555
05-03-2011, 01:30 PM
It is called a motherfuckin magic parlay. It is the inverse of the wisemann special.
Thanks... They have been working out great for me. The only downside is that they are pretty much the backbone of my betting strategy now. If 5d ever goes under or bans me, I am not going to be able to bet because I don't know where else to find these props. I don't think they offer all the props in Vegas... ?
I can't take full credit for it though, poopoo actually gave me the idea.
The odds on the Magic parlay props I wanted went to hell. Do you usually see these fluctuate a lot Scientist?
I still question this reliance on props.
In my opinion straight bets should still--and should probably always--be the cornerstone of any betting system.
edman5555
05-03-2011, 01:57 PM
Yeah they will be but these are a helpful new tool.
poopoo333
05-03-2011, 02:00 PM
Not Maynard, Story, Rampage, Nelson, and Stann by sub is like -400. Thinking about adding Pac man to this if I go through with it. Stann by sub kinda worries me but I don't think Santiago will gas like Massenzio did. And I don't see Nelson subbing Mir.. I actually think that fight may go to decision
MMA_scientist
05-03-2011, 02:08 PM
The odds on the Magic parlay props I wanted went to hell. Do you usually see these fluctuate a lot Scientist?
Yeah I am pretty sure they move with the line. If the favorite becomes more of a favorite, the props move too... I think it is actually fairly complicated, but to answer your question: yes, they fluctuate a lot in both directions. Sometimes a submission prop will fall like 1000 points though, from -2300 to -3500, whereas the line might have only moved 30 points. But sometimes they get better by a lot too.
MMA_scientist
05-03-2011, 02:09 PM
I still question this reliance on props.
In my opinion straight bets should still--and should probably always--be the cornerstone of any betting system.
I agree, but only because of the limited availability. Value is value.
MMA_scientist
05-03-2011, 02:12 PM
Not Maynard, Story, Rampage, Nelson, and Stann by sub is like -400. Thinking about adding Pac man to this if I go through with it. Stann by sub kinda worries me but I don't think Santiago will gas like Massenzio did. And I don't see Nelson subbing Mir.. I actually think that fight may go to decision
I would trade Maynard out for Edgar... that is what I had last time (Not Edgar by sub) and he scared me once with a guillotine, but the line difference is worth the risk IMO. Not Edgar by sub is -1750, not Maynard is -5400.
Also not sure not Not Ramage by sub is -2000 and Not Hammill is -6800. I guess Hammill could tap to strikes...
MMA_scientist
05-03-2011, 02:21 PM
You can get "not edgar/rampage/nelson/stann by sub" for -416
If you add Story in it comes down to -338
I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the edgar/rampage/nelson/stann for a couple units just in case...
MMA_scientist
05-03-2011, 02:26 PM
Nelson is not going to submit Mir. Mir might submit Nelson though. Edgar did scare me last time with a standing guillotine, but I think it is worth the line difference. Rampage hasn't even attempted a submission in 10 years. I don't think he could submit Hammill anyway. We've talked about Stann... but I think Stann is going to want to force a standup fight and I really don't think he can sub Santiago anyway. He only got Massenzio because Massenzio was half dead from fatigue.
I agree, but only because of the limited availability. Value is value.
I agree.
I just don't want to get used to that shit when there's apparently only one book on earth that has the range of props to make it a viable strategy, and that one book is notoriously picky not only about who they're going to take money from but also how they're going to take it.
Mr. IWS
05-03-2011, 04:24 PM
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/docobv/lyotoseagalkk.jpg
poopoo333
05-03-2011, 04:29 PM
I would trade Maynard out for Edgar... that is what I had last time (Not Edgar by sub) and he scared me once with a guillotine, but the line difference is worth the risk IMO. Not Edgar by sub is -1750, not Maynard is -5400.
Also not sure not Not Ramage by sub is -2000 and Not Hammill is -6800. I guess Hammill could tap to strikes...
I don't see Hamill tapping from subs, and I think Edgar by sub is more likely then Maynard by sub. I honestly won't be surprised if Edgar wins ITD in this fight. Flame away edman and everyone else
edman5555
05-03-2011, 04:34 PM
Consider yourself flamed. But seriously I guess he good guillotine him. It is funny though I was thinking about that today and I came to the conclusion that he wouldn't try a lot because that usually means giving up the takedown. The fight prob goes the diff sonot giving any tds is very crucial. Examples: kamp shields and dunha, sherk
poopoo333
05-03-2011, 05:01 PM
Not Mosley by 12 rd decision/Not Maynard by sub/Not Rampage by sub/Not Nelson by sub/Not Stann by sub/Not Story by sub, 4u to win 1.1u
trotterz
05-03-2011, 05:09 PM
Not Mosley by 12 rd decision/Not Maynard by sub/Not Rampage by sub/Not Nelson by sub/Not Stann by sub/Not Story by sub, 4u to win 1.1u
not so sure about not story by sub in here. I could defenetely see story taking alves down more than once, and alves giving story his back to try to get back up, could easily result in a rnc.
this is pretty much the only one that I could see happening
MMA_scientist
05-03-2011, 08:26 PM
Alves has been subbed several times before, but he defintely looks better on the ground now. I doubt Story subs him, but I could definitely see it happening, he likes that arm triangle... if he can wear Alves out, I could see it. But seriously, it won't happen.
poopoo333
05-06-2011, 01:13 AM
UFC 130 Fight Card: Cody McKenzie Out, Gleison Tibau in (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/6/2156792/ufc-130-fight-card-cody-mckenzie-out-gleison-tibau-in)
Svino
05-06-2011, 03:29 AM
UFC 130 Fight Card: Cody McKenzie Out, Gleison Tibau in (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/6/2156792/ufc-130-fight-card-cody-mckenzie-out-gleison-tibau-in)
Aw, I like Cody. Hope he's not injured.
Thewisemann
05-06-2011, 12:45 PM
I am now working with a 5u bankroll, + have .9u on stann and 3.22u on reem
edman5555
05-06-2011, 12:50 PM
Jorge Santiago is no joke, at least on paper that is. Reem? You mean Allistair over Werdum?
edman5555
05-06-2011, 12:52 PM
I'm pissed about Cody. I was going to bet on Bart.
Thewisemann
05-06-2011, 02:13 PM
yes, i made these bets about a month ago.
Jorge Santiago is no joke, at least on paper that is. Reem? You mean Allistair over Werdum?
edman5555
05-06-2011, 02:36 PM
Do you have the same amount of money from your previous bankroll condensed into a 5u bankroll?
Thewisemann
05-06-2011, 06:43 PM
No, I cashed out 37u
Alves 1.05u to win .5u
poopoo333
05-08-2011, 02:00 AM
http://www.portaldovt.com.br/pt/?channel=2&id=3096
Basically Tibau said he has 18kg to cut, so about 40 lbs.
Your thoughts on. . .?
QJ/Hamill: I'm thinking that on the feet QJ should be the clear winner, but I wouldn't be surprised if the standup is closer than expected. I could also see Hamill taking Rampage down and winning via wrestling. But even though I think Hamill has a better chance than it looks on paper, I still have the feeling Rampage will win and am reluctant to but him. If Hamill got up to +250 I think I'd make a play, but right now I don't really like the line on either guy.
Struve/Brown: Brown actually didn't look THAT bad against Kongo and he kept that fight a lot closer than I was comfortable with. I think I actually favor Browne here, though only by a small margin. I'd probably take him at -130 or better, but I expect him to come in as a dog so I will probably be on him.
Mir/Nelson: After a lot of thought, I think I'm actually leaning Nelson here. I think K-1 Mir will have better standup, but Nelson hits harder. And I think that on the ground Nelson will be able to win the wrestling war, end up on top, and avoid Mir's submission game. I will probably take Nelson if he drops to even or better.
Torres/Johnson: I could potentially see Johnson giving Torres some problems with his wrestling, but I think that at the end of the day it's obvious he's bitten off a little more than he can chew. Because Torres has had some problems with wrestlers in the past I don't think I'd want to take him at too high of a line, but if I could get him at -250 or better I'd probably make the bet. It's too bad he'll probably open at like -400.
Grove/Boetsch: I need to watch some tape on Boetsch before really taking a stance here, but off the top of my head I lean Grove. I think he can probably use his length pick Boetsch apart en route to a decision. I wouldn't take him at too high of a line, though. I'd be looking for something like -130.
What's everyone think? Give me some feedback here.
poopoo333
05-08-2011, 05:15 PM
I think Rampage will win. I think this fight might be a lot of clinch work against the cage, but I don't see Hamill taking Rampage down like Rashad did...I think Rashad's speed/explosiveness was a deciding factor in that fight with the TDs and I don't think Hamill will duplicate it. Not sure if I am going to bet it though, I don't really like the line.
Not sure about Browne/Struve. At first I thought Browne had a good chance of blitzing Struve in round 1 and KTFOing him. But I'm not sure. I will probably not bet it unless one of them is like +150. We haven't seen Browne's ground game yet. It's been awhile..did Kongo ever get the TD against Browne or was it just a lot of clinching against the fence?
Not sure about Mir/Nelson. My gut tells me Mir though. I want to watch some video and stuff first but I think Mir will either win the striking exchanges or this fight will be a lot of clinching against the fence. I think Mir is the better striker then Nelson though.
Torres will probably beat Johnson but I am rooting for Mighty Mouse. If Mighty Mouse is +275 or better I will bet him.
Kendall Grove should win imo. Tim Boetsch looked so bad against Todd Brown. Grove will probably be way quicker and will beat Boetsch to the punch. And who knows how Boetsch will handle his first cut to 185? He is a pretty stocky 205 IIRC
edman5555
05-08-2011, 05:33 PM
I think Rampage beats Hamill but if your going to be on him SPX, go Hamil decision. I don't see him winning any other way.
Mir dropped Kongo, Crop cop and Big nog with punches. That is pretty impressive IMO. Especially the CC and Kongo shots. I think he will be the better striker. I don't know who wins the wrestling though. I would think Nelson would gas if they wrestled a lot but who knows. Frank Mir has to be the more well conditioned athlete. I feel like Big countries fat belly/bad diet is going to catch up with him in the cage. He did stay in there with JDS though so who knows. Frank will probably have a hard time ko'ing him or subbing him so maybe this is another situation where a decision prop is worthwhile. Big country does have some power in his hands though and Frank has been dropped before. It is at plus odds to go the distance. Anyways, my best guess is Mir by decision.
poopoo333
05-08-2011, 05:34 PM
Roy Nelson looks like he has lost some weight fwiw.
I think Rampage will win. I think this fight might be a lot of clinch work against the cage, but I don't see Hamill taking Rampage down like Rashad did...I think Rashad's speed/explosiveness was a deciding factor in that fight with the TDs and I don't think Hamill will duplicate it. Not sure if I am going to bet it though, I don't really like the line.
My thought is that Rampage isn't even hardly a wrestler anymore, and while Tito is clearly past his prime he is still decent, and Hamill was able to land takedowns on Tito at will.
It's been awhile..did Kongo ever get the TD against Browne or was it just a lot of clinching against the fence?
It was the other way around. 90% of the fight was on the feet, but Browne did get Kongo down twice from what I remember.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.