UFC 131 JDS vs Carwin

[poopoo333]

http://www.ufc.com/news/tuf-13-coaching-announcement

UFC President Dana White announced today that former UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar and number one contender Junior dos Santos will match wits as the coaches of season 13 of the hit Spike TV reality series.

Following the season, which begins filming this month and begins airing on March 30, Lesnar and dos Santos will then match fists in the Octagon later in 2011.

This will be the first time either fighter has appeared on The Ultimate Fighter, which began airing on Spike in 2005. The last time heavyweights coached the show was during season eight in 2008, when dos Santos’ mentor, “Minotauro” Nogueira, faced off against former champion Frank Mir. This season, the two will coach a host of welterweight hopefuls looking to secure a UFC contract.

One of the biggest success stories of recent years, Brock Lesnar’s rise to the top of the UFC has been well-documented. A former NCAA Division I wrestling champion for the University of Minnesota, Lesnar brought size, speed, and power to the Octagon in 2008, and in only his fourth professional fight, he defeated Randy Couture for the heavyweight crown. After successful defenses against Mir and Shane Carwin, Lesnar lost his belt to Velasquez at UFC 121 last October. Determined to get his championship back, Lesnar knows the quickest way to do so is through dos Santos.

Unheralded Brazilian prospect Junior dos Santos turned into a contender overnight in 2008 when he knocked out highly-regarded veteran Fabricio Werdum in the first round. This spectacular debut was followed by finishes of Stefan Struve, Mirko Cro Cop, Gilbert Yvel, and Gabriel Gonzaga before earning a shot at the heavyweight title with a three round win over Roy Nelson. Yet instead of choosing to wait for Velasquez to return to action, dos Santos will risk his number one contender’s spot by coaching against - and then fighting - Lesnar later this year.

[poopoo333]

Dana White: "I was in communication with Brock and his camp. The stuff about not wanting to fight, wanting to go to WWE was wrong."

Dana White: It was tough getting Lesnar to commit. I'm preparing for a tough season. It's going to be an interesting 6 weeks of filming.

"No interim title at end of TUF 13 - Lesnar and Dos Santos will fight and winner gets Cain Velasquez (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122504/cain-velasquez) for the belt"

"Lesnar vs. Dos Santos will be sometime in June. "100% in June."



...So if Lesnar beats JDS, he gets to fight Cain again? lmao poor Brock

[Luke]

FAIL by the UFC

[SPX]

Are you shitting me?

Two things:

1. Brock doesn't have the experience to coach anyone.

2. Brock's gonna be a sad panda because JDS will fuck him up.

I bet JDS's line is gonna suck after that ass whipping Brock got last time.

[poopoo333]

Are you shitting me?

Two things:

1. Brock doesn't have the experience to coach anyone.

2. Brock's gonna be a sad panda because JDS will fuck him up.

I bet JDS's line is gonna suck after that ass whipping Brock got last time.

We all know the main coaches aren't exactly the people coaching the fighters. I don't think you can compare the Cain beatdown to this fight. Cain had the wrestling to neutralize Brock's and was able to get back to his feet, JDS does not.


But I hope JDS KOs Brock.

[Luke]

And let me clarify before SPX comes to the UFC's rescue . I mean fail by picking two coaches that have a combined 7 years experience in MMA. I mean seriously what is Lesnar going to be able to teach anyone?


As for ratings I'm sure this was a good idea but its kind of defeating the point of TUF. I mean why not make Toney vs Kimbo coaches if you just want ratings?

[Luke]

Are you shitting me?

Two things:

1. Brock doesn't have the experience to coach anyone.

2. Brock's gonna be a sad panda because JDS will fuck him up.

I bet JDS's line is gonna suck after that ass whipping Brock got last time.



Wow X you surprised me .I thought you'd defend the UFC's decision to do this , glad you agree

[SPX]

We all know the main coaches aren't exactly the people coaching the fighters. I don't think you can compare the Cain beatdown to this fight. Cain had the wrestling to neutralize Brock's and was able to get back to his feet, JDS does not.


But I hope JDS KOs Brock.

I think JDS deserves the benefit of the doubt. He showed good TDD against both Gonzaga and Nelson.

Even if Brock comes out and dominates a round via wrestling, I think JDS makes him work for it and then (T)KOs a tired Brock in the second or third round.

[edman5555]

I would favor JDS just because Brock can't take a punch but it would only be by a hair. Who knows what will happen. After that ass kicking Brock may decide to start sparring a little more in the gym. Brock can also TKO anyone out there if he gets on top of them and has control.

[MMA_scientist]

FAIL by the UFC

Agree. Fail.


UFC is done trying to be a legitimate sport. I think they have just accepted that they are a boxing WWE hybrid and now the ONLY thing they care about is ratings.

[Mr. IWS]

I think this is actually a good idea.

Brock brings in all the viewers. All the casual viewers look at JDS and think Brock is gonna whip that ass. Those casual viewers buy the PPV, and watch JDS chase Brock around the octagon, and now everyone knows who JDS is.

[SPX]

. . . and watch JDS chase Brock around the octagon, and now everyone knows who JDS is.

Not sure why, but this made me chuckle.

[Svino]

This fight has opened at :Lesnar +125, JDS -155 on Bodog and Sportsbook.

I think I like Brock's side of the line.

[SPX]

3u on JDS at -155

I honestly thought JDS might open at -250 or worse.

[MMA_scientist]

I am not going to bet it, but I actually think Brock is going to win. I really hope not, like I would actually be happy to lose a bet just so he would lose... but I have to assume that Brock is going to get the takedown. JDS's takedown defense is still a question mark. But I know that Brock will win if JDS is forced to grapple. I hope against hope that JDS has Lidell like ability to stand up. We have only seen a glimpse of it in teh Gonzaga fight, but I am just hoping he can do that all the time.

[SPX]

^^^ Don't forget the Nelson fight. Nelson's a grappler and tried for takedowns but couldn't get them.

Like I said before, even if Brock can win the first round I think he will tire in the last half of the fight. All JDS has to do is hit him good ONCE and it's over.

[MMA_scientist]

I seriously doubt the fight is going to last more than 2 or 3 rounds... Either JDs is going to put him to sleep or Brock is going to hold him down and pound on him like he did to Mir. I like Roy, and I despise Brock, but I don't pretend for a second that Roy's takedowns are anything close to Brock's. The guys that hurt Brock on the feet did so after stuffing a takedown (or in Cain's case, getting up after getting taken down). But then again, Carwin and Cain are almost as accomplished in wrestling as Brock. JDS is smaller than all of them, he doesn't come from a wrestling base. Brock is probably going to get him down at least once (unless JDS just death punches him right off the bat). But since it is still relatively unknown, I have to think Brock is going to get him down and keep him here.

Roy has decent takedowns, but they are not D1 wrestler good. JDS still just has not had to face a strong takedown guy. I would have liked to see him against someone relatively shitty as a fighter, but with good wrestling somewhere along the path. Oh well.

[SPX]

I think if Brock wins, he wins a decision. I don't see him stopping JDS.

Also, I'm not sure about JDS being smaller than Cain.

Finally, sure, I don't think it will last more than 3 rounds . . . I haven't heard of this being for an interim title or anything.

[MMA_scientist]

For some reason, I was thinking 5 rounds... but if JDS gets stuck on the ground, I see no reason why Brock won't stop him. I really think it comes down to can he or can he not get and keep JDS on the ground. If so, Brock wins easily and probably devastatingly. If no, then JDS wins easily and probably devastatingly. Given the known quantities though, it is really just a guess whether JDS will be able to stuff the takedown or escape to his feet.

[poopoo333]

The line is already dropping. Fucking bodog and their 6 month early lines.

At + odds, I would definitely bet Brock. I really don't think you can use JDS defending Nelson's attempted trip TDs while being rocked/exhausted to say JDS has good enough TDD to stuff a 265 lb NCAA champ wrestler. If Brock gets JDS down, I don't expect JDS to easily be able to get to his feet at all, and if he does it's not like he will still be 100% fresh still to go all out and try to catch Brock with a shot. I can see Brock stealing 2 rounds via top control, and IF he even gets tired, I can see him clinching up against the fence in the majority of round 3.

That being said, as a fan, I really hope JDS KTFOs Brock.

[MMA_scientist]

That is pretty much how I see it, except I think it will be a rape on the ground if it stays there. Brock has proven his mettle on the mat, he can grapple and his ground and pound hurts. I am sure JDS is very capable on the ground, but a few years training bjj is not going to prepare him to deal with a bigger stronger high level wrestler. If it stays on the ground for any length of time, I expect a 1 sided beat down. I don't think JDs will survive personally. But maybe his takedown defense and standup ability is awesome.

I would love to see a 30 second KO though, complete with Brock circus monkey cartwheel.

[SPX]

For some reason, I was thinking 5 rounds... but if JDS gets stuck on the ground, I see no reason why Brock won't stop him. I really think it comes down to can he or can he not get and keep JDS on the ground. If so, Brock wins easily and probably devastatingly. If no, then JDS wins easily and probably devastatingly. Given the known quantities though, it is really just a guess whether JDS will be able to stuff the takedown or escape to his feet.

The only truly "devastating" finish Brock has ever had was in the second fight against Mir.

Consider his other fights:

Mir 1 - loss via submission, though it probably should've been a TKO win
Herring - decision
Couture - TKO after catching the old and undersized Couture with a punch; no way does he knock JDS down like that
Carwin - submission against a zombie; no way does he submit JDS like that
Cain - devastating TKO loss

I just don't see Brock having a track record to suggest that he will finish JDS.

[poopoo333]

Couture, Carwin, and Cain=wrestlers. You can't compare JDS to them. Styles make fights.

[poopoo333]

I would also like to point out that JDS slowed down significantly against Nelson, a fight he was dominating. This was a striking match with a few clinch "battles". Brock is going to push the pace and try to grind JDS out on the mat. I think JDS will probably slow down a lot against Brock.

[Mr. IWS]

On paper, the whole; "Brock will take him down" game plan seems all well and good, and I think he can/will take JDS down at some point in the fight, but that dude goes to shit as soon as he takes a couple punches, and after seeing him get hit by Carwin and Cain, I'm not sure what will be different in Brocks approach to actually getting punched in the face now.

I have done a complete 180 on Brock. I really thought the guy was the future, but if He can't take a punch, and keep coming forward in the fight game, He better go find something else to do. And after this fight with JDS, he may do that.

[MMA_scientist]

I just don't see Brock having a track record to suggest that he will finish JDS.

He finished Carwin, Couture, and Mir and that scrub he fought in his first fight. We can downplay the finishes, but Mir and the scrub are the only guys that got stuck under him too. Herring gave his back every time, but Brock did not want to risk losing the back or ending up on bottom, so he never put his hooks in and went for a choke and just stayed there and lumped him up. I am just saying, if JDS gets stuck underneath or tries to play guard against Brock, he is going to look like Mir did, but probably worse because Mir is most likely a better grappler than JDS. If Brock has trouble controlling him, JDS will get his chances and probably KO him easily. But I just don't know how many chances JDS is going to get, that's the question mark in this fight. Brock did get a shot off on Carwin (he got stuffed) before he got rocked. He did get shot off on Cain too. Grapplers looking to shoot can almost always get at least one clean shot off before a real strike is landed. The only question is what will JDS do with it.

Bottom line Brock has finished 4 of 5 out of his wins. He has 7 fights, and 6 of them have not gone the distance. JDS has 13 fights, and only 1 decision. I don't think this is going to a decision.

[edman5555]

I will take Brock in this. Fuck Bodog for posting lines like 6 months in advance. Really.

[SPX]

Couture, Carwin, and Cain=wrestlers. You can't compare JDS to them. Styles make fights.

JDS has his BJJ. It's not like he's ONLY a striker. And if he had no clue about the ground then he would've been put down and kept down by both Gonzaga and Nelson.

[SPX]

I'll also say this: From what we've seen, it looks to me like Brock's striking is a lot shittier than JDS's wrestling.

[zY|]

Given how Brock takes punches, and how JDS delivers them, this is not a great matchup for Brock. I seriously doubt he keeps JDS down for long if he gets it there. And once JDS gets up Brock's confidence will drop significantly.

[edman5555]

I'll also say this: From what we've seen, it looks to me like Brock's striking is a lot shittier than JDS's wrestling.

Good one.

[edman5555]

Given how Brock takes punches, and how JDS delivers them, this is not a great matchup for Brock. I seriously doubt he keeps JDS down for long if he gets it there. And once JDS gets up Brock's confidence will drop significantly.

Do you think that Brock might come back a little stronger from this? I mean he has gotten his ass kicked standing twice in a row. The first time he came back during the fight, the second he got his ass kicked. Maybe that ass kicking will wake him up a little bit and convince him to train his standup a lot more.

Note: Brock may have never legitimately had his ass kicked in his life before he fought Cain. He has been a Monster his whole life, who would want to fight him. It isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Either way a couple of things are pretty evident. Brock can't stand with JDS or he will lose. JDS doesn't have the wrestling that Brock does. We don't know if Brock can hold JDS down.


I think we are somewhat divided on the board here. I personally think that Brock can get JDS down. What makes anyone think JDS can wrestle? It's not impossible or anything but just because Cain kicked Brock's ass it doesn't mean that Brock is can all of a sudden. He is a big ass monster of a man that can wrestle.

[Thewisemann]

Too many ??S in this fight, im staying away unless I get at least +150 on someone. I am leanig towards Brock getting him down and smashin him. I would love to see JDS KO him though.

[SPX]

What makes anyone think JDS can wrestle?

If he literally had no wrestling ability then he would've gotten outgrappled by both Gonzaga and Nelson.

Having been trained by the Nogs, he obviously has some BJJ skills. And BJJ could be seen as a form of wrestling, as it's Judo-based, and Judo is actually considered a form of wrestling.

[MMA_scientist]

If he literally had no wrestling ability then he would've gotten outgrappled by both Gonzaga and Nelson.

Having been trained by the Nogs, he obviously has some BJJ skills. And BJJ could be seen as a form of wrestling, as it's Judo-based, and Judo is actually considered a form of wrestling.

I don't think anyone is saying he has NO grappling skills. He is a brown belt in bjj and he obviously has some takedown defense. I think the question is whether his takedown defense is GREAT, which it will have to be to stop Brock from taking him down. If he gets on the ground, he is going to again have to be GREAT to out grapple Brock on the mat. There is no reason to think his takedown defense is anything other than "good" at this point. I mean, Roy couldn't get Justin Wren down either. And Gonzaga could not get Schaub down, other than that, I don't even remember him trying to take anyone down. Those are not the sternest tests of takedown defense...

So while JDS's wrestling may be better than Brock's boxing, that does not mean he should win. The question is really whether JDS's takedown defense is better than Brock's takedown offense. Because Brock is not going to stand with him, no matter what. He will clinch him, dive at ankles, he may even try to pull guard... he won't stand in front of him.

I just think JDS's ground game is still a question mark. His takedown defense is obviously good enough for most guys, but he still hasn't had to fight a wrestler.

I don't like either guy as a favorite, I would start thinking about either guy @ +150

[Thewisemann]

I don't think anyone is saying he has NO grappling skills. He is a brown belt in bjj and he obviously has some takedown defense. I think the question is whether his takedown defense is GREAT, which it will have to be to stop Brock from taking him down. If he gets on the ground, he is going to again have to be GREAT to out grapple Brock on the mat. There is no reason to think his takedown defense is anything other than "good" at this point. I mean, Roy couldn't get Justin Wren down either. And Gonzaga could not get Schaub down, other than that, I don't even remember him trying to take anyone down. Those are not the sternest tests of takedown defense...

So while JDS's wrestling may be better than Brock's boxing, that does not mean he should win. The question is really whether JDS's takedown defense is better than Brock's takedown offense. Because Brock is not going to stand with him, no matter what. He will clinch him, dive at ankles, he may even try to pull guard... he won't stand in front of him.

I just think JDS's ground game is still a question mark. His takedown defense is obviously good enough for most guys, but he still hasn't had to fight a wrestler.

I don't like either guy as a favorite, I would start thinking about either guy @ +150
I agree with you 100% scientist. JDS has good td defense, but i dont know if its good enough to stop Lesnar. And that pretty much is the key to betting this fight. I have to get +150 either way.

[poopoo333]

I also agree with scientist 100%. Being good in bjj doesn't mean you can stop a great wrestler from taking you down and controlling you. See little nog vs bader, and even nog vs brilz

[Luke]

I actually thought this line would open at -200 and was looking to get on Brock at +175 or higher.

I dont think there's any doubt Lensar is going to get JDS on the ground ,its whether he can keep him there or not is the question

[zY|]

Brock is a can. JDS by assassination.

[Luke]

Brock is a can. JDS by assassination.

So bet all you got on JDS

[zY|]

That ain't much

[SPX]

Brock is a can. JDS by assassination.

I definitely wouldn't say Brock is a can--or maybe you're trolling again--but I also don't think he has what it takes to beat the very best in the world. Mir is good, but not quite in the very top bracket. Herring's okay . . . but he got beat by Jake O'Brien for God's sake. Couture is a fine fighter, but has lost his share of fights, and is finally showing his age and was also too small to be fighting Brock. Carwin's also good--and was winning--but has a fatal flaw in the gas tank department. I mean, he literally looked like he was about to die when he came out for the second round.

You could argue that JDS also doesn't have any spectacular wins. There's Werdum, but beyond that, who's his biggest win? Nelson? But I think JDS will keep on winning.

With that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before.

[zY|]

Definitely trolling, but I agree with your assessment.

[Luke]

that ain't much



lol

[Luke]

I definitely wouldn't say Brock is a can--or maybe you're trolling again--but I also don't think he has what it takes to beat the very best in the world. Mir is good, but not quite in the very top bracket. Herring's okay . . . but he got beat by Jake O'Brien for God's sake. Couture is a fine fighter, but has lost his share of fights, and is finally showing his age and was also too small to be fighting Brock. Carwin's also good--and was winning--but has a fatal flaw in the gas tank department. I mean, he literally looked like he was about to die when he came out for the second round.

You could argue that JDS also doesn't have any spectacular wins. There's Werdum, but beyond that, who's his biggest win? Nelson? But I think JDS will keep on winning.

With that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before.



LOl even I knew he was trolling ,thats why I said bet it all on JDS

[MMA_scientist]

I definitely wouldn't say Brock is a can--or maybe you're trolling again--but I also don't think he has what it takes to beat the very best in the world. Mir is good, but not quite in the very top bracket. Herring's okay . . . but he got beat by Jake O'Brien for God's sake. Couture is a fine fighter, but has lost his share of fights, and is finally showing his age and was also too small to be fighting Brock. Carwin's also good--and was winning--but has a fatal flaw in the gas tank department. I mean, he literally looked like he was about to die when he came out for the second round.

You could argue that JDS also doesn't have any spectacular wins. There's Werdum, but beyond that, who's his biggest win? Nelson? But I think JDS will keep on winning.

With that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before.

I pretty much agree. I never thought Mir or Randy were very good wins. He really hasn't done very much. Vera beat Mir and Randy too...

But I disagree that he is not a top fighter. The HW talent pool is shallow, you can get away with being sort of shitty and still be a top HW. There just aren't that many good guys...

[Luke]

I pretty much agree. I never thought Mir or Randy were very good wins. He really hasn't done very much. Vera beat Mir and Randy too...

But I disagree that he is not a top fighter. The HW talent pool is shallow, you can get away with being sort of shitty and still be a top HW. There just aren't that many good guys...


I agree Lesnar is no worse than 4th best HW in the UFC and 7th in the world ,thats pretty damn good imo

[Luke]

You could argue that JDS also doesn't have any spectacular wins. There's Werdum, but beyond that, who's his biggest win? Nelson? But I think JDS will keep on winning.

.


Cain didnt really haved any spectacular wins when he fought Lesnar either and we see how that went

[poopoo333]

I think JDS is going to end up being the underdog in this fight pretty soon.

[Svino]

I'm pretty much thinking along the same lines as MMA_scientist. My rule of thumb, which has served me fairly well, is to bet a grappler over a striker unless the striker has previously demonstrated an ability to defend takedowns of said grappler's caliber. JDS hasn't yet. Gonzaga and Nelson are good wins, but those guys don't have Lesnar's takedown ability. I'd take Brock at any +odds, though it increasingly looks like I may not be able to get that.

[SPX]

. . . though it increasingly looks like I may not be able to get that.

Why not? Who are your books?

[Svino]

I mostly use BookMaker now, but it looks like Lesnar's already down to EV everywhere but BetUS.

[zY|]

I'm pretty much thinking along the same lines as MMA_scientist. My rule of thumb, which has served me fairly well, is to bet a grappler over a striker unless the striker has previously demonstrated an ability to defend takedowns of said grappler's caliber. JDS hasn't yet. Gonzaga and Nelson are good wins, but those guys don't have Lesnar's takedown ability. I'd take Brock at any +odds, though it increasingly looks like I may not be able to get that.

From every single second I've seen him tied up or on the ground, JDS has super quick and agile hips. I feel pretty confident in saying he won't be smothered. Brock is going to have to take him down repeatedly to grind out a win. It just doesn't seem likely. At all.

[Luke]

From every single second I've seen him tied up or on the ground, JDS has super quick and agile hips. I feel pretty confident in saying he won't be smothered. Brock is going to have to take him down repeatedly to grind out a win. It just doesn't seem likely. At all.

But thats comparing Lesnar to Gonzaga and Nelson ,two people Lesnar would maul.

[zY|]

But thats comparing Lesnar to Gonzaga and Nelson ,two people Lesnar would maul.

No it's not. It's talking about my perception of his skills and physical attributes, independent of opponent.

Besides, the only fighter who wasn't able to get out from under Brock was Mir, and he's, well, Mir. He gets punched in the face and freezes.

[edman5555]

From every single second I've seen him tied up or on the ground, JDS has super quick and agile hips. I feel pretty confident in saying he won't be smothered. Brock is going to have to take him down repeatedly to grind out a win. It just doesn't seem likely. At all.

Keep in mind this is a three round fight. It's not crazy for Brock to outwrestle him for three rounds. It's feasible.

[edman5555]

No it's not. It's talking about my perception of his skills and physical attributes, independent of opponent.

Besides, the only fighter who wasn't able to get out from under Brock was Mir, and he's, well, Mir. He gets punched in the face and freezes.

Brock has fought a lot of wrestlers..that would be why he has trouble holding his opponents down. Couture, Shane and Cain. That is three opponents out of 7 total fights. If you count Min soo kim. Aside from them he fought Frank twice whom he could hold down(he might have wanted to be on his back so he could try to submit him), and Heath Herring. He basically beat Herring by outwrestling him for three rounds. It proves he can do it. Obviously JDS is much more dangerous than Herring in the standup but we don't know he is a better grappler.

[edman5555]

Does anyone have any evidence of JDS being a good wrestler? Gonzaga isn't evidence. He has really weak takedowns. Nelson couldn't take Junior down. That means something, but not a huge amount. Brock should be able to JDS on his back.

[Mr. IWS]

Does anyone have any evidence of JDS being a good wrestler? Gonzaga isn't evidence. He has really weak takedowns. Nelson couldn't take Junior down. That means something, but not a huge amount. Brock should be able to JDS on his back.

For me, its always the same song with JDS. How is his wrestling? How is he off his back? I've been guilty of it too.

I've seen enough of both guys now. JDS will push your shit in if you get close, and nobody has taken him down. Lesnar looks for the exit when he takes a good punch.

JDS has more ways to win the fight.

[zY|]

All I'm saying is JDS has the physical tools to get up off his back. Sometimes I think some of you focus too much on MMAth results instead of abilities.

[Luke]

All I'm saying is JDS has the physical tools to get up off his back .



Please explain

[SPX]

Please explain

I think he already did.

[Luke]

I think he already did.


when?

[SPX]

when?


From every single second I've seen him tied up or on the ground, JDS has super quick and agile hips. I feel pretty confident in saying he won't be smothered. Brock is going to have to take him down repeatedly to grind out a win. It just doesn't seem likely. At all.

"Super quick and agile hips" are a physical attribute.

And we already know about his speed, power, and accuracy in striking.

[poopoo333]

Brock wins via hotter wife:

http://www.fanboyplanet.com/chair/images/sable4brock.jpg




























http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/136571/abi8ua.jpg

[SPX]

Brock's wife ain't all that. She looks like she was formed out of plastic.

And I don't get down with bitches who have a huge valley between their tits, like Moses just parted the Red Sea.

[poopoo333]

Brock's wife ain't all that. She looks like she was formed out of plastic.

Yeah I'd definitely take JDS' wife over Brock's wife too.

[zY|]

I still refuse to believe that Frankenstein's monster is his wife. Maybe it's his mom or his aunt or something. Come the fuck on.

[zY|]

I agree SPX. Her elbows are way too pointy as well.

[SPX]

Yeah I'd definitely take JDS' wife over Brock's wife too.

I'd just go find someone else.

[SPX]

I still refuse to believe that Frankenstein's monster is his wife. Maybe it's his mom or his aunt or something. Come the fuck on.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the fuck that's all about. Maybe it's true love and nothing can stop it. Or maybe she's blackmailing him.

[poopoo333]

Maybe she used to be hot, but she pissed him off so he gave her an uppercut and fucked up her face for life.

[SPX]

I agree SPX. Her elbows are way too pointy as well.


Just not my thing.

Give me this girl instead. . .


http://pixelvulture.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Nerdy-Girl.jpg

[poopoo333]

^^You like 14 year olds? I guess that's cool, to each their own.

[zY|]

Oh for sure, but you're telling me you'd seriously turn down Sable?

[SPX]

Oh for sure, but you're telling me you'd seriously turn down Sable?

She looks like a bitch and personality plays into it a lot with me.

[poopoo333]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:66xCZMD1BJNsrM:http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg127/rossere2/nigga_you_gay.png&t=1

[SPX]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:66xCZMD1BJNsrM:http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg127/rossere2/nigga_you_gay.png&t=1

Nah, my dick just doesn't get hard for stupid cunts.

[Luke]

Brock's wife ain't all that. She looks like she was formed out of plastic.

And I don't get down with bitches who have a huge valley between their tits, like Moses just parted the Red Sea.


You are gay.....

[Luke]

Didnt Brock meet her when he was in the WWE? Wasnt she a "wrestler" too?

[poopoo333]

Didnt Brock meet her when he was in the WWE? Wasnt she a "wrestler" too?

Yes:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i6NzV3IOSZQ/Rtu5XpMk1RI/AAAAAAAABJY/eSFDl1DyZ8U/s1600/Sable+10.jpg

[Luke]

^^^^^^^^^^yeah I wouldnt touch her ,not even if I was drunk

[poopoo333]

^^^^^^^^^^yeah I wouldnt touch her ,not even if I was drunk

Me either, I don't like girls with painted boobs.

[Luke]

Me either, I don't like girls with painted boobs.


I dont even like girls with boobs.I prefer they be shaped like a 13 year old boy

[poopoo333]

I dont even like girls with boobs.I prefer they be shaped like a 13 year old boy

Yeah as long as they have good personalities it's all good.

[SPX]

Yeah as long as they have good personalities it's all good.

Ask Luke why he's with the girl he's with and why he's stayed with her for so long.

[Luke]

Ask Luke why he's with the girl he's with and why he's stayed with her for so long.



She has a good personality but she looks good also. You dont have to settle for one or the other . She also wears a 36 or 38D


You dont have to be with a 10 thats a bitch or a 4 thats nice ,look for an 8 thats both

[Luke]

Officially


::hijack::








::baghead::

[SPX]

She has a good personality but she looks good also. You dont have to settle for one or the other . She also wears a 36 or 38D


You dont have to be with a 10 thats a bitch or a 4 thats nice ,look for an 8 thats both

My point was that looks aren't everything.

You said Rita from Dexter was basically your dream girl and, while she's attractive, that's not really why you said you were into her.

One thing I think is really funny is how people act like looks have something to do with sex. Like, "Oh, that bitch is so hot I'd fuck her all night!" I've slept with some bitches that were pretty hot and some that weren't all that, and when the lights are out how a bitch looks is kind of a non-factor that has nothing to do with whether she has technique or not.

[Luke]

My point was that looks aren't everything.

You said Rita from Dexter was basically your dream girl and, while she's attractive, that's not really why you said you were into her.

I guess I'll have to post this again since you didnt see it the first time:



You dont have to be with a 10 thats a bitch or a 4 thats nice ,look for an 8 thats both


Thats what I would consider Julie Benz

[zY|]

JDS will win.

[SPX]

Thats what I would consider Julie Benz

I get you. I thought she looked great in Boondock Saints II. My point is that Julie Benz is hot in a REAL way. Like, she's a real person. She's not some manufactured "hot model" type like those Sable pics posted above.

[Luke]

JDS will win.

How much you betting on it?

What kind of fight you think this is? 60/40,70/30 ,80/20?

[poopoo333]

How much you betting on it?

What kind of fight you think this is? 60/40,70/30 ,80/20?

zY bets?

[SPX]

zY bets?

He claims to.

[poopoo333]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs882.ash1/179009_10150092909303233_74392093232_6190989_25763 34_n.jpg

[zY|]

I'll probably bet a good bit on it when the fight gets closer. This is definitely one worth betting. I think it's about 70/30. I said over a year ago that both Cain and JDS would beat Lesnar. Cain is a worse matchup for Brock but I'm pretty confident JDS will get the job done.

[zY|]

She doesn't look nearly as bad in that picture.

[SPX]

She doesn't look nearly as bad in that picture.

I was just about to say the same thing.

Need more pics to really evaluate this situation properly.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/21/1948177/ufcs-roy-nelson-i-think-brock-lesnar-is-done


interesante

[Mr. IWS]

LOL. Dana gonna rape him now.

[Luke]

Funny hearing Nelson run his mouth when he ran from a Carwin fight. Put Nelson in there with Lesnar to shut him up

[poopoo333]

Demian Maia vs. Mark Munoz Targeted for UFC 131 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/11/2045247/demian-maia-vs-mark-munoz-targeted-for-ufc-131)

[SPX]

Maia will win me money.

[poopoo333]

Court McGee vs. Jesse Bongfeldt, Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Anthony Perosh Added to UFC 131 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/12/2046027/court-mcgee-vs-jesse-bongfeldt-krzysztof-soszynski-vs-anthony-perosh)

[edman5555]

I don't think Perosh is very good but if K SOS tries to take him down he could get subbed. Perosh is a good black belt.

[Luke]

Demian Maia vs. Mark Munoz Targeted for UFC 131 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/11/2045247/demian-maia-vs-mark-munoz-targeted-for-ufc-131)


Doubt this will be a very good fight ,Munoz will get rapped. Line will probably be high too

[SPX]

I bet Maia opens at -240. I would take him at that price.

[Luke]

I bet Maia opens at -240. I would take him at that price.


I think you're right about the line but I wont bet it at that price

[poopoo333]

Yves Edwards vs. Sam Stout in the Works for UFC 131 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/14/2051017/yves-edwards-vs-sam-stout-in-the-works-for-ufc-131)


Donald Cerrone vs. Mac Danzig Set for UFC 131 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/14/2050777/donald-cerrone-vs-mac-danzig-set-for-ufc-131)

[poopoo333]

Shane Carwin Set to Fight Jon Olav Einemo, Possibly at UFC 131 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/23/2068077/shane-carwin-set-to-fight-jon-olav-einemo)




Zak, luke, or X...could you change the title of this thread or at least add that it is UFC 131?

[MMA_scientist]

Einemo is the only man to ever defeat Roger Gracie in no gi grappling comp, fyi. It was a while back and he won't get Carwin down, but still.

[Luke]

he's fighting a guy that hasnt had a fight in 5 years? WTF is this shit amatuer hour ?

this sounds like a fight some half ass promotion would put on

[edman5555]

It is wierd. He is good too. It almost as if Shane is on Danas shit list. A good opponent nobody has ever heard of.

[Mr. IWS]

WTF is this shit amatuer hour ?



ronburgandy.jpg

[Luke]

Not only has this guy not fought in almost 5 years its only his 3rd fight in the last 8 years

[SPX]

I have only one thing to say:

LOL

[Luke]

I have only one thing to say:

LOL

That was my first thought but that quickly turned into confusion



I just saw an O/U on this fight ,its O/U 1.5
















MINUTES

[zY|]

Who's Lensar?

[SPX]

Is that shit true, Luke?

[Luke]

Is that shit true, Luke?



lol no

[SPX]

lol no

Ha ha. I was gonna say, Holy shit!

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qec7L6bDCLE

[MMA_scientist]

Don't sleep on Einemo, he is a stud.

[Luke]

Don't sleep on Einemo, he is a stud.



quit it

[MMA_scientist]

I am dead serious. He is an ADCC champion with wins over Roger and Rolles. If he can survive Carwin for the initial 3 minutes, he will probably submit him.

[Luke]

I am dead serious. He is an ADCC champion with wins over Roger and Rolles. If he can survive Carwin for the initial 3 minutes, he will probably submit him.

That was 2003 Tim Sylvia isnt champ anymore Cain is

Werdum was 3rd in absolute that year , now Werdum is the best HW in the world. Lister (1st place in 2003)is a bum now so what happened in 2003 makes no difference in todays world of MMA


I watched this guys videos and I dont think he stands a chance in hell of ever getting Carwin down.If he lasts 1 round I'd be shocked but I am wrong about half the time so..

[Svino]

I just saw an O/U on this fight ,its O/U 1.5... MINUTES

I've seen round-by-round statistics of when fights end in (say) the UFC, but I'd be also interested to see a minute-by-minute breakdown. I don't suppose anyone's ever seen a list like that?

[poopoo333]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/24/2069853/the-ultimate-fighter-tuf-13-the-first-five-minutes


Brock looks small.

[poopoo333]

Joey Beltran vs. Dave Herman added to UFC 131 in Vancouver (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23063/joey-beltran-vs-dave-herman-added-to-ufc-131-in-vancouver.mma)

[BillyPilgrim]

^ Hell yes. That is exactly the matchup I have been dying to see.

[SPX]

War the Mexecutioner

[Luke]

Court McGee out of UFC 131 with knee injury http://bit.ly/httxa7 (http://bit.ly/httxa7)

[zY|]

^^Was going to post that but I couldn't find this thread.

[SPX]

Sucks. That should've been a very winnable fight for him.

[poopoo333]

The UFC (http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-131-fight-card-updates) has announced that TUF 11 winner Court McGee has pulled out of his UFC 131 fight with Jesse Bongfeldt (0-0-1 UFC) due to a torn ACL he suffered in training. Stepping in to face Bongfeldt is undefeated prospect, Chris Weidman (1-0 UFC).

[BillyPilgrim]

Good test for Weidman, a little easier to bet as well.

[poopoo333]

Carwin opened at -245 lol

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/358.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[MMA_scientist]

Surprised to see JDS as the favorite. I will take Brock as an underdog.

[poopoo333]

Surprised to see JDS as the favorite. I will take Brock as an underdog.

Seriously? Is this your first time seeing the line? This line has been up forever.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I haven't been paying attention to this card yet. I did not know the line was out.

[SPX]

LOL

That shit has literally been out for months and we've already had heated discussions about it. I know you had to be around.

[MMA_scientist]

I guess I just forgot.

[SPX]

I consider that a personal insult.

[Vandelay]

http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-131-fight-card-updates

Mighty Mouse vs Miguel Torres

[poopoo333]

War mighty mouse

[SPX]

Mighty Mouse is unlikely to win, I think.

[Luke]

http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-131-fight-card-updates

Mighty Mouse vs Miguel Torres


Good shit vandelay but if I'm reading it right this fight is going to be on UFC 130 right?

[Vandelay]

I was testing you. You passed. Poopoo and SPX fail miserably.

[Luke]

I was testing you. You passed. Poopoo and SPX fail miserably.


Give them a break .....they're proably half way down the road already thinking about odds, how much they're going to bet, how the fight will play out etc ,they aint got time to read lol

[poopoo333]

I didn't even click on the link

[Luke]

^^^^^^^^poopoo just made my point

[SPX]

Fuck all ya'll.

[SPX]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3732.png

[poopoo333]

^^That was so 10:41 am yesterday.

[Luke]

^^That was so 10:41 am yesterday.


::lmao::

[SPX]

^^That was so 10:41 am yesterday.


::lmao::



http://www.turoks.net/Policies/images/EatABowlOfDick.jpg

[poopoo333]

^^Reported.

[SPX]

LOL!

Oh, the comedy of receiving an e-mail saying that my own post had been reported, and the reason being: "This guy is gay."

Fuck you, PP. Fuck you real hard.

[poopoo333]

Fuck you real hard.

Reported again, for being gay.

[SPX]

I reported YOU TOO motherfucker! HA!

[Mr. IWS]

LOL, you dicks are reporting each other and my boy Scott (Global Moderator)is getting all these alerts on his phone.

[poopoo333]

LOL, you dicks are reporting each other and my boy Scott (Global Moderator)is getting all these alerts on his phone.

Reported.

[Mr. IWS]

Reported.

LMAO!

[edman5555]

Gay Alert! Consider yourself ultra super duper gay reported.

[SPX]

http://laist.com/attachments/la_zach/gay_marriage_same_sex1.jpg

[Mr. IWS]

http://arch.413chan.net/Is_this_real_life-(n1297421330448).jpg

You niggas need some strikforce challengers or something. lol

[SPX]

You niggas need some strikforce challengers or something. lol

There's been so little MMA lately that I think pretty much every thread has been derailed by talking about other shit.

[Mr. IWS]

There's been so little MMA lately that I think pretty much every thread has been derailed by talking about other shit.

Fuck you, Reported.

[SPX]

Fuck you, Reported.

Faggot, I've already done stealth reported you for your post about Luke's joke in the bets thread.

You're slow. I'm already ahead.

[poopoo333]

For real..UFC 128 was March 19th or something, UFC 129=April 30th, then UFC 130 isn't until May 28th. If it weren't for Bellator I'd go crazy

[SPX]

Yeah, it's either feast or famine.

Either there's something every weekend and sometimes so much shit going on that you have to choose which one you're going to watch, or there's just a drought.

[poopoo333]

Not another Strikeforce lined up until June 18th either. fuuuu

[Luke]

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/GayJiuJitsu.jpg

[Luke]

LOL, you dicks are reporting each other and my boy Scott (Global Moderator)is getting all these alerts on his phone.


LMAO thats funny as hell .............::lmao::




BTW.........reported

[SPX]

I'm about to report this whole fucking forum. . .

[SPX]

LMAO thats funny as hell .............::lmao::


No shit.

Zak texted me (a rare occurrence) and told me about that shit. I laughed my ass off.

[Luke]

No shit.

Zak texted me (a rare occurrence) and told me about that shit. I laughed my ass off.


lol forward me the text

[SPX]

Done.

[Luke]

Done.


haha thats good shit .

[Luke]

poopoo did you really want my number or no?

I never pm'd it to you because I didnt know if you really wanted it or not, I mean we were talking about sending nudes to each other at the time so ......

[poopoo333]

Sure, just PM it to me and I'll text you so you have mine.

[Luke]

sent

[poopoo333]

Brock/JDS goes distance- +300
Lesnar ITD +148
Lesnar by dec +790
Santos ITD +124
Santos by dec +491

[SPX]

Lesnar by decision at +790? I expect someone to finish this one, especially if it's a 5 rounder, but that's insane. I could see JDS not being able to stop the takedown but being good enough off his back to keep from getting finished.

[poopoo333]

Yeah I bet on Lesnar by dec @+790. I think Brock is gonna win a decision anyways

[poopoo333]

I just checked, if it is changed to a 5 round fight my bet will be voided because it's "by 3 round decision"

[poopoo333]

You can get JDS by (T)KO @+160 right now on 5dimes

[poopoo333]

Cerrone by (T)KO is +1408..weird

[Ludo]

Cerrone by (T)KO is +1408..weird

Jumped on that shit.

[High5]

Cerrone by (T)KO is +1408..weird

Good eye! I threw a unit at it.

[poopoo333]

The UFC announced (http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-131-fight-card-updates) last night that Anthony Perosh has suffered an injury, and will pull out of his UFC 131 fight with Krzysztof Soszynski. Replacing Perosh against Soszynski will be Igor Pokrajac (23-8, 2-3 UFC), who most recently TKOd Todd Brown at UFC on Versus 3.

[SPX]

I still think K-Sos wins, but it might be a more difficult fight.

[poopoo333]

Brock Lesnar out of UFC 131, Junior Dos Santos now faces Shane Carwin (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23586/brock-lesnar-out-of-ufc-131-junior-dos-santos-now-faces-shane-carwin.mma)

[poopoo333]

Remember this? http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/21/1948177/ufcs-roy-nelson-i-think-brock-lesnar-is-done

"I think Brock Lesnar (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122494/brock-lesnar) is done," Nelson said. "I think Brock doing TUF is one way to basically take a situation and make it win-win for him. I think Lesnar doing the show is a way to introduce Junior Dos Santos to the American fan base in the way the show does. TUF introduces "stars in the making" to the casual UFC fan and while JDS is the number one contender he still needs some help with the American fan base. So the conspiracy basically comes down to the fact that Shane Carwin (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122488/shane-carwin) has no one to fight in June. I think Brock Lesnar will walk off the TUF set and then Carwin will take his spot or Frank Mir (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122495/frank-mir) will come in to "save the day" and fight JDS for title contention. The reason I believe Frank would be the guy is because Mir is coming off a win and I was already supposed to fight Shane so fans were already hyped to see it. Or Carwin could move in to face JDS and I could still face Frank but it doesn't really matter to me as to who fights who because all that really matters is the fans want to see me fight somebody. A lot of things could happen over the next six weeks but it seems a bit off that Carwin doesn't have an opponent right now and all of the top heavyweights are spoken for."

[Mr. IWS]

See Luke, he was scared of me.

[Mr. IWS]

Remember this? http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/21/1948177/ufcs-roy-nelson-i-think-brock-lesnar-is-done

"I think Brock Lesnar (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122494/brock-lesnar) is done," Nelson said. "I think Brock doing TUF is one way to basically take a situation and make it win-win for him. I think Lesnar doing the show is a way to introduce Junior Dos Santos to the American fan base in the way the show does. TUF introduces "stars in the making" to the casual UFC fan and while JDS is the number one contender he still needs some help with the American fan base. So the conspiracy basically comes down to the fact that Shane Carwin (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122488/shane-carwin) has no one to fight in June. I think Brock Lesnar will walk off the TUF set and then Carwin will take his spot or Frank Mir (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122495/frank-mir) will come in to "save the day" and fight JDS for title contention. The reason I believe Frank would be the guy is because Mir is coming off a win and I was already supposed to fight Shane so fans were already hyped to see it. Or Carwin could move in to face JDS and I could still face Frank but it doesn't really matter to me as to who fights who because all that really matters is the fans want to see me fight somebody. A lot of things could happen over the next six weeks but it seems a bit off that Carwin doesn't have an opponent right now and all of the top heavyweights are spoken for."

Dam, good call.

[SPX]

MotherFUCKER!

And now we'll probably never know who wins that fight!

Fuck. Line predictions? I'm thinking this is possibly a much easier fight for JDS. Carwin lacks the technical proficiency to go toe-to-toe with JDS and even if Carwin gets JDS down in round 1 his cardio will be toast by round 2, allowing JDS to unload on his face.

Unless something insane happens with the line, I will DEFINITELY be on JDS here.

[poopoo333]

Carwin lacks the technical proficiency to go toe-to-toe with JDS and even if Carwin gets JDS down in round 1 his cardio will be toast by round 2, allowing JDS to unload on his face.

It isn't necessarily true Carwin will be completely gassed in round 2 if he takes JDS in round 1 imo. Carwin dropped Brock, and punched himself completely out and probably had an adrenaline dump with those circumstances. I am not saying Carwin has good cardio or anything, but you can't compare Carwin's round 1 against Brock to a regular round of fighting.

[poopoo333]

I think JDS will probably win this fight. I don't know. The fight to not go the distance is a lock imo

[Ludo]

Fight not going the distance is about the surest thing ever. Personally I don't know who to pick here. Carwin has never been the guy who jumps to use his wrestling offensively but he may have to here. JDS has the speed and technical striking advantage with more than enough power to knock Carwin out. If Gonzaga can rock him, Junior can finish him if given enough time.

[edman5555]

Carwin is supposedly weighing in at about 250 pounds now.

[poopoo333]

Fight not going the distance is about the surest thing ever. Personally I don't know who to pick here. Carwin has never been the guy who jumps to use his wrestling offensively but he may have to here. JDS has the speed and technical striking advantage with more than enough power to knock Carwin out. If Gonzaga can rock him, Junior can finish him if given enough time.

Then again, Carwin has some crazy power. He basically KOd Gonzaga with a jab lol. Also, remember JDS doesn't have the best conditioning either, watch JDS vs Big Country again.

[poopoo333]

Just wondering...what line would you bet JDS up to SPX?

[SPX]

It isn't necessarily true Carwin will be completely gassed in round 2 if he takes JDS in round 1 imo. Carwin dropped Brock, and punched himself completely out and probably had an adrenaline dump with those circumstances. I am not saying Carwin has good cardio or anything, but you can't compare Carwin's round 1 against Brock to a regular round of fighting.

That's true, but even under just regular circumstances, I think that by the middle of round 2 or the beginning of round 3 he'll be toast. That's if JDS hasn't finished him already.

[SPX]

Just wondering...what line would you bet JDS up to SPX?

I hope to get him at -160 or better. If he's higher than that I'd have to think about it because there's always the possibility of the Carwin Death Touch slipping through his defenses.

[Thewisemann]

I think this is a tough fight to call.

[Thewisemann]

If Carwin opens up at +200 on 5dimes, im all over it.

[Thewisemann]

For about .2u, lol. These little bets are killing me, i want my bankroll back!!

[poopoo333]

Opened @-260 JDS, +200 Carwin

[zY|]

I think JDS will obliterate him. Too fast, too young, too good.

[Vandelay]

Then again, Carwin has some crazy power. He basically KOd Gonzaga with a jab lol. Also, remember JDS doesn't have the best conditioning either, watch JDS vs Big Country again.

he koed him with a right straight if iirc. definitely not a jab. the punch he threw had some power on it. I was expecting the line to be around -150 for jds. not -250

[zY|]

Also Carwin had back surgery and hasn't fought in a year.

[SPX]

I was expecting the line to be around -150 for jds. not -250

Yeah, I was thinking -130 to -160. This sucks.

[poopoo333]

Value is on Carwin right now imo

[SPX]

For about .2u, lol. These little bets are killing me, i want my bankroll back!!

Why did you cash out again? Was it just because you got nervous with the whole poker thing?

[SPX]

I think JDS will obliterate him. Too fast, too young, too good.

I think so too, but I'm not -250 kind of confident in him.

[SPX]

Value is on Carwin right now imo

I think it's one of those situations where the value is in the fighter who's not going to win . . . if that makes sense.

[poopoo333]

I would never lay -250 down on a potential slugfest with two heavy handed guys like JDS/Carwin.

[zY|]

I would never lay -250 down on a potential slugfest with two heavy handed guys like JDS/Carwin.

I agree, Mike Hammersmith.

[Luke]

See Luke, he was scared of me.


::lmao::::lmao::

We were just talking about this an hour before the news came out then all of the sudden he's out.....I do think he was scared

[Luke]

If Carwin opens up at +200 on 5dimes, im all over it.

+1 here


I think it's one of those situations where the value is in the fighter who's not going to win . . . if that makes sense.


No value on a losing bet ......thats what you told me








BTW the line on JDS is dropping

[poopoo333]

I bet they knew about this shit. I swear Brock was looking like he has lost a lot of weight on the show.

http://pics.lesnar-brock.com/images/ufc121_pre-fight_brock_lesnar_cain_velasquez_02.jpg

http://www.5thround.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/BrockLesnarJuniordosSantosTUF13.jpg

[SPX]

No value on a losing bet ......thats what you told me

That's true. I think the value is in that maybe I'm wrong about how it goes down.



BTW the line on JDS is dropping

Go baby, go! -160 and I'm on it.

[SPX]

Re: Those pics up there.

Lesnar definitely looks smaller than he used to. I wish he was still the drugged up WWE monster of the past.

[poopoo333]

http://www.judochop.us/media/11/20040728-brocksmooch.jpg

[Luke]

I bet they knew about this shit. I swear Brock was looking like he has lost a lot of weight on the show.



Shit they probably knew about it before TUF even started, Nelson isnt psychic he had to have heard something somewhere

[Luke]

http://www.judochop.us/media/11/20040728-brocksmooch.jpg



reported

[Luke]

I agree, Mike Hammersmith.


Poopoo is Mike the Hammersmith......interesting

[edman5555]

That is a tough fight to call. JDS should def tear Shane up standing but Shane can probably take him down. His cardio should be a lot better now that he is walking around at 253 pounds(his claim) and doesn't have to cut weight. I could see him winning. I do think he can go more than one round, he just blew his wad trying to take lesnar out. On the other hand JDS is really fast, I could see Shane having trouble getting his hands on him.

[Thewisemann]

Roy Nelson was able to connect on JDS, so Carwin also should be able too. I believe this is a coin toss, slight edge to JDS.

[Svino]

I'll probably be on Carwin here. I may wait for "Carwin by TKO" though.

[Mr. IWS]

::lmao::::lmao::

We were just talking about this an hour before the news came out then all of the sudden he's out.....I do think he was scared

He heard I was out of the hospital. He didnt want none of the 215 Hustla.

[poopoo333]

JDS down to -170 on Bookmaker

[sbjj]

JDS down to -170 on Bookmaker

Thats about where I would consider a play.

[SPX]

Bookmaker down to -190 now. All my Bookmaker funds are tied up in any case, so I really need Bodog or Sportsbook to come through and give me -160.

[poopoo333]

Einemo gets Herman, Beltran draws Strikeforce vet Rosa at UFC 131 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23597/einemo-gets-herman-beltran-draws-strikeforce-import-rosa-at-ufc-131.mma)

[SPX]

Everytime I see that fucker's name I want to go Eenie-Meenie-Minie-Mo.

[Luke]

Everytime I see that fucker's name I want to go Eenie-Meenie-Minie-Mo.


omg::lmao::

[poopoo333]

Mac Danzig Injured; Out of UFC 131 Fight Against Donald ‘Cowboy’ Cerrone


http://mmaweekly.com/mac-danzig-injured-out-of-ufc-131-fight-against-donald-cowboy-cerrone

[SPX]

Well poo.

[Ludo]

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Rocha-Replaces-Injured-Danzig-Faces-Cerrone-at-UFC-131-32433

Vagnar Rocha replacing Mac Danzig.

[trotterz]

ouch, this was one of the fight that I would have bet huge on.
seems like all of my perfect fights are getting cancelled due to injury.
First Del rosario gets injured in his fight with Cormier (Cormier would have been a sure shot)
then this one when Cowboy would have dominated Danzig (@-260 odds, it was an awesome deal)

[SPX]

I would think Cerrone would beat Danzig too, but I definitely wouldn't call it a lock.

Cerrone was actually getting beaten in the stand up against Paul Kelly and I got fucked hard when I bet against Danzig when he fought Stevenson. So even though I expect him to win, Cerrone's line was way too high, in my opinion.

[MMA_scientist]

Agree. Danzig has plenty for Cerrone IMO. I was even probably going to bet Danzig.

[trotterz]

Serious? I Can't figure out a way that danzig could have won that fight. IMO Cerrone is better in every aspect of the game

[MMA_scientist]

I think Danzig is a better grappler. His grappling is pretty good and i think Cowboy's grappling is overrated.

[SPX]

I'll put it this way: I would EXPECT Cerrone to beat Danzig on the feet . . . I would EXPECT Cerrone to beat Danzig on the ground.

But Mac Danzig, despite his shitty performances, choked out BJJ wiz Mark Bocek and smooth KOd Joe Stevenson. So it wouldn't surprise me that much to see Danzig outperform Cerrone in either, or both, of those areas.

[edman5555]

I think Danzig is a better grappler. His grappling is pretty good and i think Cowboy's grappling is overrated.

It is funny. I was thinking something similar to that myself. His striking doesn't seem to have a lot of power either. That said he is really good in all areas and has beaten a lot of good opponents.