TUF 13 Finale

[poopoo333]

Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida set, tapped The Ultimate Fighter 13 Finale headliner (http://mmajunkie.com/news/22176/anthony-pettis-vs-clay-guida-set-tapped-headliner-of-tuf-13-finale.mma)

[Luke]

I saw that even though I dont agree with it . What up with the UFC giving the number 1 contenders hard fights when they really should be fighting for the title?

[edman5555]

That is a tough fight to call. I hope Guida wins.

[poopoo333]

I really don't want to see either guy lose. If Guida wins, he gets the title shot I bet. This is basically a #1 contender match imo, while Jim Miller sits on the sidelines furiously.

[SPX]

What up with the UFC giving the number 1 contenders hard fights when they really should be fighting for the title?

You could argue that if they really deserve to be the #1 contender then they'll win anyway.

[Luke]

You could argue that if they really deserve to be the #1 contender then they'll win anyway.

True, I think once you've earned the title shot you should get it or get to fight a can or two if the champ isnt available

[Ludo]

True, I think once you've earned the title shot you should get it or get to fight a can or two if the champ isnt available

Not exactly a plethora of "cans" in the lightweight division though. Plus the problem with that logic is what happens if the number one contender loses to someone who is so far down in the rankings? It would not only kill the current shot but probably drop him so far down, maybe out of the top ten entirely, and he may never recover from it.

[zY|]

Well, Clay Guida is a glorified can, so it should work out great.

[Mr. IWS]

Well, Clay Guida is a glorified can, so it should work out great.

lol

[Luke]

Not exactly a plethora of "cans" in the lightweight division though. Plus the problem with that logic is what happens if the number one contender loses to someone who is so far down in the rankings? It would not only kill the current shot but probably drop him so far down, maybe out of the top ten entirely, and he may never recover from it.

Well my definition of can and everyone elses probably isnt the same. I consider anyone outside the top 10 in rankings a can so it would be easy to find Pettis a can (imo) to fight in his spare time

[SPX]

They could call Shannon Gugerty back up.

[Luke]

They could call Shannon Gugerty back up.



or ....................nevermind

[Ludo]

The only positively "gimme" fights Pettis could hope for are against Dan Lauzon or Gabe Reudiger or something.

[SPX]

Didn't Lauzon get cut?

[poopoo333]

-Clay Guida vs. Anthony Pettis (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/248/the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-anthony-pettis-vs-clay-guida)
-Welterweight Finalist 1 vs. Welterweight Finalist 2
-Jeremy Stephens vs. Jonathan Brookins (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/366/the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-jonathan-brookins-vs-jeremy-stephens)
-Tim Credeur vs. Ed Herman (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/367/the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-tim-credeur-vs-ed-herman)-
-Matt Brown vs. Rich Attonito (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/391/the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-rich-attonito-vs-matt-brown)
-Fabio Maldonado vs. Kyle Kingsbury
-Francisco Rivera vs. Reuben Duran (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/382/the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-reuben-duran-vs-francisco-rivera)
-Josh Grispi vs. George Roop (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/368/the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-josh-grispi-vs-george-roop)
-Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/369/the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-scott-jorgensen-vs-ken-stone)

[Mr. IWS]

Kingsbury via Victor Conte

[poopoo333]

Downes replaces injured Brookins at The Ultimate Fighter 13 Finale (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23554/downes-replaces-injured-brookins-at-the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale.mma)

[edman5555]

Kingsbury via Victor Conte

Ha. Maldano is pretty good btw, he twice knocked out Maiquel Falcao and has a great boxing record.

[poopoo333]

Wasn't Maldano also getting lit up by James McSweeney?

[edman5555]

I don't know. He knocked out McSweeney.

[edman5555]

ah round 1 went to mcsweeney.

[poopoo333]

So guys....Guida or Pettis?

[SPX]

Pettis

[poopoo333]

^^Agreed

[SPX]

He has more striking skill in his left nut than Guida has in his whole body, and I think his wrestling will be good enough to keep from getting Guida'd for three rounds.

[Vandelay]

He has more striking skill in his left nut than Guida has in his whole body, and I think his wrestling will be good enough to keep from getting Guida'd for three rounds.

Weren't you the one that thought Guida had good striking. Or at least striking on par with Bendo. When did these thoughts change?

[SPX]

I never said he had GOOD striking . . . I said it wasn't D- level.

Guida's striking is functional, but it's nothing impressive and it might even be below average for the UFC. On the other hand, I think Pettis's striking is very good, better than average.

Also, I did not say Guida's striking was better than Bendo's. You were saying that you didn't think Bendo's striking was good. I said I thought it was quite good. Not on Pettis's level, but pretty solid.

[Mr. IWS]

I like Guida in that one.

[Thewisemann]

Im gonna go with Pettis.

[poopoo333]

I don't think Pettis is a crazy good striker or anything, he is just dynamic and mixes shit up good.

[MMA_scientist]

Guida. Pettis did well to beat Bendo, but don't forget he was was flying kick off the cage away from losing a decision there... I think Guida puts him down and keeps him there.

[Mr. IWS]

I think Guida puts him down and keeps him there.

Thats pretty much my thoughts.

[Thewisemann]

No way im betting this fight though.

[SPX]

. . . but don't forget he was was flying kick off the cage away from losing a decision there...

Was he? It was two rounds a piece going into the 5th, and I thought the 5th was basically even up to that point. If they had gone to the score cards right before the kick I think it could've gone either way.

[Luke]

I dont think Pettis was going to lose a decision whether that kick happened or not , the rd was close but I had it scored for Pettis even before the kick and I was on Bendo in the fight .

[poopoo333]

Pettis was able to scramble and take down both Roller and Henderson. (actually I am not completely sure if he took Henderson down). But I think Pettis can put Guida on his back as well (Ken Flo did), will win the exchanges, and will be able to get back to his feet if he is taken down. Pettis just seems like he is going to keep getting better and better, and he is training with some good wrestlers as well right now. Line guesses on this fight?

[SPX]

I think Pettis will end up being the fave even if he doesn't open that way, but the line will probably stay pretty even. I doubt anyone gets past -150.

[poopoo333]

I am hoping for a -115/-115 opener (as long as I am by my computer when they open). Oh, speaking of that, can any of you log in on the new bookmaker from your phones? It won't let me.

[SPX]

I could see a -115/-115 opener for sure.

[Mr. IWS]

I dont think Pettis was going to lose a decision whether that kick happened or not , the rd was close but I had it scored for Pettis even before the kick and I was on Bendo in the fight .

Did you see Randy?

[Luke]

Did you see Randy?

Lol, no::lmao::

My ass just went home early instead

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/362.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

Pettis opened @-130, Guida +100

[Thewisemann]

See what Guida by decision is, otherwise, no bet.

[SPX]

Pettis's line is getting worse. Gay.

[SPX]

Trigger Officially Pulled: 1.55u to win 1u on Pettis

[edman5555]

Pettis has done well against wrestlers so far so I am not sure I want to bet Guida. Wiseman is right though, Guida by decision or nothing at all.

[edman5555]

Kenny did give Guida a lot of trouble though. I can see a similarity between Kenny and Pettis in that they are both good strikers.

[poopoo333]

I like the Pettis bet, I just wish his line was lower.

[SPX]

I wish I had gotten him at -130, but even at -155 I think there's value. I really do think he'll win.

I think he's just too dynamic. He's by far a better striker, and will probably have the wrestling to stay out of danger, just like he did with Roller.

Basically smothering Pettis is Guida's only chance, and I just don't think Pettis will let him do it.

[SPX]

I have a feeling that it might not be long before we're having to pay -300 or more for a lot of these top WEC guys and I want to take advantage of it while we're still able to get them at these low lines.

[poopoo333]

Anybody have thoughts on Kingsbury/Malodano?

[edman5555]

kingsbury is a beast. maldano is a very good boxer. i assume kingsbury will try to take him down but who knows.

[poopoo333]

Trigger Officially Pulled: 1.55u to win 1u on Pettis

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/columbia/badboys2/images/im_trailer_boy.jpg

[SPX]

Let's do this thing.

WARRRRRRRRR PETTIS!

[poopoo333]

Guida/Pettis to go distance is @-140 on 5 dimes.

[Thewisemann]

Tomorrow im watching Pettis/Bendo And Guidas last couple fights. I may bet Pettis

[Thewisemann]

Remember, this is at the palms so the cage will be smaller than normal, and I can easily see Guida taking a couple rounds by smothering Pettis.

[Thewisemann]

but expect Pettis to be improved.

[Thewisemann]

Henderson did alot of backing up in this fight, and was very stiff, Guida will pushing foward. I was gonna bet Pettis, but decided to watch this first, Guida dec or nothing

[edman5555]

its really a smaller cage there?

[Luke]

Remember, this is at the palms so the cage will be smaller than normal, and I can easily see Guida taking a couple rounds by smothering Pettis.

Why would the cage be smaller?

[edman5555]

honestly i think pettis might win this the more that i think about it. Guida is on a 3 fight win streak but Guggerty isn't that great as far as i know and dos anjos was doing really well against him up until the jaw injury ( i know he won the fight but sherdog and junkie gave both rounds 1 and 2 to dos anjos). Florian picked him apart by having superior striking + decent takedown defense. Pettis should be the better striker in this and he seems to have pretty decent takedown defense. I honestly don't know who wins this one.

[poopoo333]

I think Pettis will mix it up with takedowns of his own as well.

[Thewisemann]

Yes, it is a smaller cage

[edman5555]

who knows but I cant see betting anything on this. I dont think guida will knock out pettis, he probably wont submit him but that wouldnt shock me because he was been working his ground game a lot. pettis wont knock out guida but he could submit him. Either one could get submitted, or it could go the distance. Tough to say, i guess guida could relentlessy push for the takedown and get it but I am not confident in it.

[SPX]

I see Guida's chances at submitting Pettis at nothing more than 5%.

[Thewisemann]

I was watching Maia/Grove the other day, Rogan stated the cage was smaller there.

[poopoo333]

For the Guida by decision backers, go get it on 5 dimes... +247

[MMA_scientist]

What does everyone like bet-wise for this card. There will be some more lines after the season is complete on Wednesday. We are probably looking at Ramsey vs. Ferguson for the TUF finale, then a few other lines for matchups.

As for the announced fights, I like Grispi to around -250 to beat Roop. i am also interested in Duran, who nearly upset Mizugaki when I bet on Miz to beat him. I am mildly interested in Jorgenson over Stone and Stephens over Downes. Guida/Pettis is too hard to call for me. I don't know enough about Maldonado, but it is hard to bet against a guy who has losses to "unknown fighter" on his record. I think Hermann/Credeur could go either way, I would consider either man as a significant dog.

What are y'all looking at?

[Mr. IWS]

The only thing Im leaning towards is Guida for now.

[edman5555]

The only one I will probably be on so far is Grispi. I don't think Roop is very good.

[SPX]

I've already got dat cash on Pettis.

We'll see what Grispi comes in at. I think -250 is too high. I was more thinking -170 tops.

[MMA_scientist]

The only one I will probably be on so far is Grispi. I don't think Roop is very good.

I don't either, he is tough, but I don't see any advantage for him in this fight. I am hoping Grispi's line is down because of his poor showing in his last fight. But he will probably be too pricey for me.

[MMA_scientist]

I've already got dat cash on Pettis.

We'll see what Grispi comes in at. I think -250 is too high. I was more thinking -170 tops.

How can Roop win? I don't see any path to victory for him. I am terrible at guessing opening lines, but I think he will be right in that are, -200 to -250. Grispi was on the fast track to a title shot until his most recent outing. I mean, he beat Hominick decisively not long ago.

[edman5555]

the line on grispi will probably suck though. I am pretty much expecting that.

[SPX]

How can Roop win? I don't see any path to victory for him. I am terrible at guessing opening lines, but I think he will be right in that are, -200 to -250. Grispi was on the fast track to a title shot until his most recent outing. I mean, he beat Hominick decisively not long ago.

Grispi looked like shit in his last fight. Roop showed some pretty decent takedowns and wrestling against Garcia and straight knocked Zombie the fuck out.

Truthfully, Grispi has never looked super impressive to me. Every time he wins it seems kind of flukey. He strikes me as a bit of a one-trick pony with those guillotines . . . what if he can't get it? I don't know. I just wouldn't feel confident taking him at a high line when he was a big favorite to win his last fight and ended up getting totally owned.

I actually see some similarities with Hathaway. Hathaway streamrolled through a lot of very good guys, then loses convincingly to Mike Pyle, and then in his next fight he BARELY squeaks by against Kris McCray. In fact, I think McCray probably won that fight.

[edman5555]

Mccray is a big strong wrestler that sticks and clings. Hathaway is a brit that isn't that good at wrestling. It actually makes sense that he lost. That said I had money on Hathaway because I bought the hype.

[poopoo333]

What does everyone like bet-wise for this card. There will be some more lines after the season is complete on Wednesday. We are probably looking at Ramsey vs. Ferguson for the TUF finale, then a few other lines for matchups.

As for the announced fights, I like Grispi to around -250 to beat Roop. i am also interested in Duran, who nearly upset Mizugaki when I bet on Miz to beat him. I am mildly interested in Jorgenson over Stone and Stephens over Downes. Guida/Pettis is too hard to call for me. I don't know enough about Maldonado, but it is hard to bet against a guy who has losses to "unknown fighter" on his record. I think Hermann/Credeur could go either way, I would consider either man as a significant dog.

What are y'all looking at?

I stopped watching TUF after around 4 episodes. I will probably watch them all like I did last season so I can decide on some potential bets. I don't know too much about Stone, but I will probably parlay Jorgensen and Grispi because the lines will more than likely suck, and I was thinking about Duran as well but I have to see more of Rivera. I think Kingsbury will use the power of Victor Conte and really grind Maldonado out. Betting on Herman/Credeur seems tricky, they have both been out of it since I was like 5 years old.


Grispi looked like shit in his last fight. Roop showed some pretty decent takedowns and wrestling against Garcia and straight knocked Zombie the fuck out.

Meh, I don't see how this stuff really pertains to Grispi vs Roop. He showed decent TDs against Garcia and landed a perfect head kick against a smaller guy standing on the outside basically just walking forward with his hands down... this fight will be totally different than them two.

[SPX]

Meh, I don't see how this stuff really pertains to Grispi vs Roop. He showed decent TDs against Garcia and landed a perfect head kick against a smaller guy standing on the outside basically just walking forward with his hands down... this fight will be totally different than them two.

My point is simply that Roop is not without tools.

Also, Roop is bigger than EVERYONE at 145 lbs. He's a fucking giant.

[SPX]

Mccray is a big strong wrestler that sticks and clings. Hathaway is a brit that isn't that good at wrestling. It actually makes sense that he lost.

So McCray's a big strong wrestler . . . and Rick Story's not?


That said I had money on Hathaway because I bought the hype.

Me too. And going into the decision I was pretty worried I was about to lose the shit.

[poopoo333]

My point is simply that Roop is not without tools

Well every fighter has "tools", so you wouldn't bet against a fighter with them? I think Grispi matches up well stylistically with Roop regardless of their previous fights.

[MMA_scientist]

I looked at the PBP for Grispi/Porier. I really did not remember it being that one sided... Grispi was trying to pull guard and got stuffed repeatedly on his shots. I guess I have to adjust my line down. Grispi is tricky off his back, so I don't know how much Roop gains by taking him down. But I thought Grispi's hands were better than they are.

Was Grispi's poor showing just a one off thing, first time in the UFC and all, or is he just all hype? He has some quality wins, but now I am questioning...

[poopoo333]

^^I'll watch that fight right now


http://mmaufcvideos.blogspot.com/2011/01/ufc-125-josh-grispi-vs-dustin-poirier.html

[sbjj]

I looked at the PBP for Grispi/Porier. I really did not remember it being that one sided... Grispi was trying to pull guard and got stuffed repeatedly on his shots. I guess I have to adjust my line down. Grispi is tricky off his back, so I don't know how much Roop gains by taking him down. But I thought Grispi's hands were better than they are.

Was Grispi's poor showing just a one off thing, first time in the UFC and all, or is he just all hype? He has some quality wins, but now I am questioning...

Most has to do with the fact that Poirier is a VERY good fighter.

[MMA_scientist]

Most has to do with the fact that Poirier is a VERY good fighter.

I remember when he had his first fight in the WEC people were saying this guy was awesome, was tearing up the local scene, and to bet on him. I did and he lost. Since then, I guess I have been weighing that fight against him too much.

How do you guys rate Grispi's striking against Roop's?

[MMA_scientist]

^^I'll watch that fight right now


http://mmaufcvideos.blogspot.com/2011/01/ufc-125-josh-grispi-vs-dustin-poirier.html

Awesome thanks. I have all but given up on finding vids these days and I generally just settle for the PBP.

[Thewisemann]

I think Poirier started in WEC at 155, lost to Castillo then dropped to 45

[sbjj]

I remember when he had his first fight in the WEC people were saying this guy was awesome, was tearing up the local scene, and to bet on him. I did and he lost. Since then, I guess I have been weighing that fight against him too much.

How do you guys rate Grispi's striking against Roop's?

Yea, the Castillo fight. It was a close fight. I always thought Grispi was a bit overrated, but he should still beat Roop. But the line will probably be to high.

[poopoo333]

Dustin Poirier just looked great in the Grispi fight. Now that I think about it, Grispi might not be that good but I still think he has the grappling advantage over Roop. I mean, Grispi might be overrated...he subbed a white belt in Jens Pulver in 20 seconds, I am sure Stone Cold Steve Austin could do the same.

[SPX]

Well every fighter has "tools", so you wouldn't bet against a fighter with them?

You know what I mean. He has FUNCTIONAL tools that he can--and has--done damage with to some decent fighters.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Roop is all that great. But the guys in the WEC who have really given him problems have been guys who are known to have very good technical boxing--Wineland and Hominick. I don't think Grispi falls into that category.

[poopoo333]

But the guys in the WEC who have really given him problems have been guys who are known to have very good technical boxing--Wineland and Hominick. I don't think Grispi falls into that category.

Maybe because Roop has only fought strikers in the WEC: Wineland, Hominick, Garcia, and KZ. The last time he fought a good grappler he got ragdolled like a little school girl (against G Sot).

[SPX]

Was Grispi's poor showing just a one off thing, first time in the UFC and all, or is he just all hype?

I don't think it has to be one or the other. He's a very good fighter, but that doesn't mean he's the best.

[SPX]

Maybe because Roop has only fought strikers in the WEC: Wineland, Hominick, Garcia, and KZ. The last time he fought a good grappler he got ragdolled like a little school girl (against G Sot).

Well, to be clear that was at a higher weight class.

How he'll do against grapplers at 145 is a question mark.

[MMA_scientist]

He did beat LC Davis and Mark Hominick though. I mean, he has 14 wins, with 13 wins in the first round. He has some KOs. At some point, it stops being a fluke and starts becoming a pattern.

Roop has been subbed several times, so I think his plan is to stay outside and stuff shots and use his reach. I don't know, I am just going to have to see the line. I was thinking he was good up to -250, but maybe X has it more accurately capped at like -170 or so. I think I will probably still look at it under -250... if it comes in more than that, I am definitely out.

What do you guys think about Stephens/Downes?

[SPX]

. . . but maybe X has it more accurately capped at like -170 or so. I think I will probably still look at it under -250... if it comes in more than that, I am definitely out.


I would say I'm erring on the side of caution with that line. Maybe he just comes in and destroys Roop inside of two minutes. But I have been burned too many times in the past where fighters take a bad loss and for some reason have a string of fights afterward where they just don't look like they used to.

[poopoo333]

http://www.mmageeks.co.cc/2011/02/chris-horodecki-vs-danny-downes-fight.html

^Horodecki vs Downes. Downes had like 3 days notice


Can't find Downes vs the chinese guy though

[Thewisemann]

Not liking much on this card. Stephens and Jorgensen should win, but there lines will be too high. Grispi is a finisher, and should beat Roop, but the price will be too high. Maybe a parlay of those 3. Rest of the fights are toss ups.

[Thewisemann]

But shit, bmaker doesnt allow parlays on fights.

[SPX]

But shit, bmaker doesnt allow parlays on fights.

Someone said the other day that they just started, but I haven't checked it. . .

[poopoo333]

They have been allowing them like 3 hours before the fight start

[poopoo333]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/anthony-pettis-career-gifs-1687291/

[SPX]

Badass. War Pettis. Definitely one of my favorite fighters in the game today.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/362.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

Missed Kingsbury @ +100, that sucks

[SPX]

Yeah, those lines suck.

[poopoo333]

I am surprised Stephens line isn't higher

[Thewisemann]

Me too, I put the rest of my bkmaker on him, 2.32u to win .84u

[SPX]

Good point. By the time I got to Bookmaker his line was up to -290, but I realized Danny Downes was that dude who got outclassed by Horodecki so Stephens should win that one for sure.

2.9u to win 1u

[SPX]

Something tells me Reuben Duran will win as well.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't see anything I can bet yet. Maybe Grispi/Jorgenson... I am going to wait until the final lineup is announced. I am trying to slay the demon of betting too early and then regretting it.

[MMA_scientist]

Something tells me Reuben Duran will win as well.

yeah, Duran looked pretty good in his debut. I need to look at Rivera. That will be tomorrow's project.

[SPX]

You don't think Stephens wins 75% or more of the time?

[poopoo333]

Anybody have a Duran/Mizugaki vid?

[SPX]

yeah, Duran looked pretty good in his debut. I need to look at Rivera. That will be tomorrow's project.

Apparently he is 5-1 and fought Erik Koch in his WEC debut and got knocked out in like a minute and a half.

[SPX]

Anybody have a Duran/Mizugaki vid?

I think that vid is like pink unicorns.

[MMA_scientist]

You don't think Stephenson wins 75% or more of the time?

Who me? I don't know. I was asking you guys for opinions on the fight before the line broke. No one had anything to say. I figure Stephens will lay the leather to him, but I don't know much about Downes.

[SPX]

I didn't realize who Downes was. But go watch his fight with Horodecki. It wasn't even particularly close. Horodecki was pretty much always in control and got the finish. Considering that I think Stephens is a better fighter than Horodecki, I think he will win.

[Thewisemann]

Downes is gonna get his ass handed to him.

[SPX]

Horodecki vs Downes

Round 1
Horodecki kicks the legs of Downes and clinches against the fence before securing a trip. Horodecki works briefly from half guard before locking on a guillotine. Horodecki rolls and closes his guard. Downes defends the tight hold and escapes to his feet, where Horodecki goes right back to the clinch and is warned by referee John Braak for holding the fence. Horodecki knees the thighs and is warned again for holding the fence while kneeing. Horodecki trips Downes to the floor and punches the head from half guard. Horodecki transitions to the back and looks for a rear-naked choke. Downes escapes the choke and a neck crank before getting to his feet. Downes misses a knee to the head and Horodecki immediately clinches.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Horodecki
Guilherme Pinheiro scores the round 10-9 Horodecki
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Horodecki

Round 2
Horodecki goes to Downes’ body with kicks and punches early in round two. Horodecki mixes in his hands well and connects with a left and a right that snap Downes’ head back.From the clinch, Downes’ connects to Horodecki’s midsection with knees until he’s tripped to the floor. Horodecki punches from the guard and Downes stands. An excellent right hook connects with Downes’ body. Horodecki is warned for holding the fence twice in a 15-second span. Horodecki lands his best combo of the night in the form of a left and right hook to the body before smacking the mouth with another right hand. Horodecki is peppering the body with his right hand and Downes looks fatigued.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Horodecki
Guilherme Pinheiro scores the round 10-9 Horodecki
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Horodecki

Round 3
Horodecki roughs Downes up with fast punching flurries and a spinning-back kick to the body before tripping him to the canvas. Horodecki punches the back of the head from half guard and is warned. Horodecki transitions to the back with both hooks. The Canadian applies a rear-naked choke and Downes taps quickly at the 1:09 mark of round three.

[SPX]

Speaking of Horodecki, he should've gotten another fight before getting cut. He was 2-2 in the WEC and had picked up two wins before losing to Cerrone.

[MMA_scientist]

I read that earlier... but what does Downes try to do? Is he going to try to use his reach on Stephens, basically do the Stout/Davis/Guillard game plan, and try to win a decision without getting caught in the hail storm? Or is he going to come try to take him down? What is Downes going to try here?

[poopoo333]

I posted the vid of Downes vs Horodecki in this thread. He took the fight on 3 days notice.

[SPX]

I didn't know about 3 days notice, but he got his three days ass kicked.

[SPX]

I read that earlier... but what does Downes try to do? Is he going to try to use his reach on Stephens, basically do the Stout/Davis/Guillard game plan, and try to win a decision without getting caught in the hail storm? Or is he going to come try to take him down? What is Downes going to try here?

Stephens is no ground master, but his grappling isn't shitty either. I think Downes will just get muscled around if he tries to wrestle.

[Vandelay]

Odds are up. I'm liking Maldandado, Roop, and Creadeur at the current lines. Grispi is being way overvalued in my opinion.

[Vandelay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AV7no5hkuQ&feature=player_embedded

Little info on his camp and outlook towards this fight

[Luke]

Are ya'll talking about the Stevens that was getting his ass beat by 50 year old Marcus Davis before he landed a hail marry punch at the end of rd 3 to win the fight? If so no way would I lay -300 on that

[poopoo333]

^yep. I am not going to bet him either.

[SPX]

Are ya'll talking about the Stevens that was getting his ass beat by 50 year old Marcus Davis before he landed a hail marry punch at the end of rd 3 to win the fight? If so no way would I lay -300 on that

Marcus Davis is a good fighter and looked very good that night.

But yeah, same Stephens. The same one who knocked Dos Anjos's head into the stands, who beat Sam Stout, who arguably beat Melvin Guillard, and who pounded out Cole Miller.

[Luke]

Marcus Davis is a good fighter and looked very good that night.

But yeah, same Stephens. The same one who knocked Dos Anjos's head into the stands, who beat Sam Stout, who arguably beat Melvin Guillard, and who pounded out Cole Miller.


Well Chuck Liddell was great a bunch of fights ago too but what does that have to do with today ? Fact is he looked like shit in his last fight so I wouldnt lay -300 on him in the next fight , he may win easily but he could also be the next Mike Brown or Jamie Varner

[SPX]

Well Chuck Liddell was great a bunch of fights ago too but what does that have to do with today ? Fact is he looked like shit in his last fight so I wouldnt lay -300 on him in the next fight , he may win easily but he could also be the next Mike Brown or Jamie Varner

Well, two things:

1. He won that fight.

2. I don't think you're giving Davis enough credit there. I remember when I watched it I didn't think "Stephens looks bad", I thought "Davis looks good." There's a difference.

[Luke]

Well, two things:

1. He won that fight.

2. I don't think you're giving Davis enough credit there. I remember when I watched it I didn't think "Stephens looks bad", I thought "Davis looks good." There's a difference.

I was just saying why I wouldnt bet it is all , my opinion doesnt mean jack

[SPX]

Fair enough.

[poopoo333]

Marcus davis just barely won a gimme fight against a can. He sucks. He even lost to another bum in dan hardy

[sbjj]

Downes opposition record minus his 2 wec fights is 28-61. Yes that is 28 wins and 61 LOSSES! He beat the Chinaman ONLY because he gassed out after beating Downes ass in the 1st round. I am not saying Stephens is all that. But he is a proven commodity within the UFC LW division facing a guy who has NEVER faced anyone close to the level of fighter Stephens has not only faced, but beat. I think -300 is more than fair.

[SPX]

Preach it, brother!

[Thewisemann]

WAR Lil Heathen!

[poopoo333]

Has anybody watched TUF this season and know anything about the fighters?

[MMA_scientist]

Has anybody watched TUF this season and know anything about the fighters?

I watched it.

[MMA_scientist]

So I have been looking at Jorgenson/Stone. Jorgenson is going to win.

Stone is a can-smasher. He has only 2 wins over opponents with winning records, and even then only slightly. The opponents he defeated are 33-69. He wrestled in college, and looks like he uses the leg kicks and takedowns. Jorgenson should be able to win easily if he uses his wrestling and should also win standing, but it will obviously be closer. The issue is that Jorgenson thinks he is a striker sometimes and I wouldn't be surprised if he just tried to bang the entire time. I was considering him in a parlay since I can't find anything to bet here and the bottom has fallen out of all the lines.

[MMA_scientist]

probably just going to do a mini-wiseman on this card.

Stephens/Duran/Jorgenson/Grispi is +200.

[Thewisemann]

I like that parlay.

[Vandelay]

Grispi isn't worth being thrown in a parlay

[MMA_scientist]

Well it is more just to keep me from betting something else... which is really why I do the parlays tbh. It will be small probably less than 1u. I am going to wait for the other lines to come out as well... Shamar Bailey is going to win his fight, so if I can get odds on that, I may throw that in.

[Vandelay]

Fergusen has some vicious inside leg kicks. I'm gonna have to watch his fight with edwards and all of ramseys fights as well cause i havent seen any of them except for last night. I do like edwards to win his fight. Anyway, Fergusen is good standing. Defends well, has power, good leg kicks, goes to the body, etc. Not sure how good his tdd is and Nijem is primarily a wrestler so line should be close with fergusen around -150 id guess.

[SPX]

probably just going to do a mini-wiseman on this card.

Stephens/Duran/Jorgenson/Grispi is +200.

I did Stephens/Duran/Grispi/Weidman

.5u to win 1.07u

[poopoo333]

Rest of the lines are up. Shamar Bailey's line is too steep imo

[MMA_scientist]

Rest of the lines are up. Shamar Bailey's line is too steep imo

I like Shamar at -275. I will probably bet that. I don't think McGilvray can stop the takedown. Shamar had trouble with Cope, but he showed that he has freak takedown defense. Ramsey couldn't take Cope down either.

[poopoo333]

Yeah I bet it anyways.

[Mr. IWS]

Rest of the lines are up. Shamar Bailey's line is too steep imo

Racist

[edman5555]

http://www.mmageeks.co.cc/2011/01/shane-roller-vs-anthony-pettis-fight.html


roller pettis

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTd5EqDC1Eg

[edman5555]

I am still not sure about Guida Pettis. Pettis seems to be pretty damn good but I wonder if Guida can muscle him down to the ground.

[zY|]

So what's the deal with these TUF fags? This is the first season I haven't watched in years. I saw the first 2 episodes, have no idea who any of these guys are.

[MMA_scientist]

I am still not sure about Guida Pettis. Pettis seems to be pretty damn good but I wonder if Guida can muscle him down to the ground.

I am strongly considering Guida now. I think it is a close fight that could go either way, but Pettis is -200? Why? He only narrowly escaped Bendo, now he is 2:1 over Guida? I can understand taking Pettis at near even odds, but not at -200

[MMA_scientist]

picks, get em up boys. Also, do me a favor and put a ** by the fighter you feel is the most likely to win.




Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida
Tony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Herman vs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonado vs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
**Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

[poopoo333]

Anthony Pettis vs.Clay Guida
Tony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Herman vs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonado vs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens
Justin Edwards** vs. Clay Harvison
Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

[poopoo333]

I am strongly considering Guida now. I think it is a close fight that could go either way, but Pettis is -200? Why? He only narrowly escaped Bendo, now he is 2:1 over Guida? I can understand taking Pettis at near even odds, but not at -200

I know this is a little riskier if you bet Guida, but Guida by decision is +253

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I think you might be right about Edwards. Harvison did not show great takedown defense and Edwards is like bull.

[trotterz]

^^ I think you might be right about Edwards. Harvison did not show great takedown defense and Edwards is like bull.

IMO, as soon as the grappling started agains't ramsey, he looked like a fish out of the water .. he has absolutely no idea what to do. it was awfull to watch. He is going to get outclassed by Edwards

[poopoo333]

^^I agree. On the show it seems like they tried to play it off as "Harvison had a broken pinky" or something like that.

[Thewisemann]

Nijem
Guida
O'Neil
Herman
Kingsbury
Grispi
Jorgensen
Stephens
Edwards
Bailey
Duran

[Thewisemann]

Nijem
Guida
O'Neil
Herman
Kingsbury
Grispi
Jorgensen
Stephens
Edwards
Bailey
Duran

[MMA_scientist]

^ Who do you have the most confidence in (regardless of whether you would bet it at the odds offered)?

[Thewisemann]

Jorgensen (I dont know shit about Stone) and Stephens. I am considering a play on Maldonado and Guida (Stephens has to win first)

[SPX]

If you want to be a winner, copy and paste the following:

Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida
Tony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Hermanvs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonadovs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens**
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

[poopoo333]

^^inb4hepullsasideloaded

[MMA_scientist]

^^inb4hepullsasideloaded

Cope is the only underdog he has, so that would be pretty freakin amazing if he pulled a sideloaded and called every fight wrong.

[SPX]

Scientist, why did you decide to go ahead and pull the trigger on Duran?

[poopoo333]

Cope looked good on the show (I never saw the fight he lost though) and I didn't see anything of O'Neil so I kind of just blindly picked Cope. The way Cope was able to shrug off Bailey's TD was impressive to me.

I am pretty confident in all my bets on this card, I actually think my mini wiseman special is going to hit. If I am doing well up until the Pettis/Guida fight, I might hedge out about half..still undecided.

[MMA_scientist]

Cope looked good on the show (I never saw the fight he lost though) and I didn't see anything of O'Neil so I kind of just blindly picked Cope. The way Cope was able to shrug off Bailey's TD was impressive to me.

I am pretty confident in all my bets on this card, I actually think my mini wiseman special is going to hit. If I am doing well up until the Pettis/Guida fight, I might hedge out about half..still undecided.

I picked cope because I am almost 100% certain that Chuck cannot take him down. Neither Shamar or Ramsey could take him down. But Cope really does not do much on his feet either. Chuck showed pretty good standup in his 2nd fight. Apparently Chuck has been training with Sityadong now too. But Cope was really green, and I am betting he comes out improved.

[MMA_scientist]

Scientist, why did you decide to go ahead and pull the trigger on Duran?

His grappler's quest wins. I had forgotten about his grappling ability, largely because he looks to punch mostly in MMA. But I think if he gets into trouble here, he can win the fight on the ground. I just think he is going to be too explosive and powerful... basically just too much overall. But tbh, I am sort of wishing I went with Edwards instead. They have the same line.

[poopoo333]

Edwards was a gift @-170 imo. He is going to literally fuck Harvison right in the ass in the middle of the octagon.

[SPX]

But tbh, I am sort of wishing I went with Edwards instead.

Why not just do both?

[zY|]

picks, get em up boys. Also, do me a favor and put a ** by the fighter you feel is the most likely to win.




Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida
Tony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Herman vs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonado vs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
**Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

What is this new devilry?

[SPX]

Pick who you think wins.

Just straight picks, regardless of the line.

[zY|]

Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida
Tony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Herman vs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonadovs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens**
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

[poopoo333]

UFC announces The Ultimate Fighter 13 Finale prelim card to stream on Facebook (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23866/ufc-announces-the-ultimate-fighter-13-finale-prelim-card-to-air-on-facebook.mma)



FUCK YEAH, another night of all fights.

[Thewisemann]

Have you guys been able to watch the prelims on your phone?

[poopoo333]

I haven't tried, but I doubt it would work.

[Thewisemann]

it dont work for shit on my computer, my phone actually works better

[poopoo333]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/scott-jorgensen-ken-stone.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/clay-harvison-justin-edwards.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/josh-grispi-george-roop.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/jeremy-stephens-danny-downes.JPG

[SPX]

I've never tried it, but I know Facebook uses Silverlight. Yours works Wisemann? I didn't know there were any Silverlight plug-ins for phones.

[poopoo333]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/chuck-oneil-chris-cope.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/kyle-kingsbury-fabio-maldonado.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/kyle-kingsbury.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/fabio-maldonado.JPG

[poopoo333]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/ed-herman-tim-credeur.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/clay-guida-anthony-pettis.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/tuf-13-finale/ramsey-nijem-tony-ferguson.JPG

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0528/mma_pulver_sy_576.jpg

[Thewisemann]

no, it doest, but when i watch other videos it works better on my phone than my computer

[Thewisemann]

LMOA at Pulver gettin squeezed, its actually not funny, kinda pathetic.

[Luke]

Can anyone point me to videos of just the fights of TUF ,wanting to look at Ramsey Nijem-Tony Ferguson

[Luke]

poopoo SPX is going to ban your ass..................again

[poopoo333]

just go to www.ultimatefighter.com, and go to this seasons wikipedia to see which episodes the fighters were on then skip to the end of the episodes to see their fights

[SPX]

no, it doest, but when i watch other videos it works better on my phone than my computer

Okay, that makes more sense.

As for the Facebook shit working on phones, it probably won't happen any time soon.

[Luke]

just go to www.ultimatefighter.com, and go to this seasons wikipedia to see which episodes the fighters were on then skip to the end of the episodes to see their fights

thanks

[Svino]

LMOA at Pulver gettin squeezed, its actually not funny, kinda pathetic.

In that photo it looks like the ref is gently patting Pulver on the head.

[Vandelay]

During his second career appearance in the Octagon this weekend, Fabio Maldonado will get a stiff test against streaking light heavyweight prospect Kyle Kingsbury. The trials actually began earlier this week for Maldonado however, as he told Tatame.com he had to go to the hospital with the flu.

"I wasn't good at all, my blood pressure went down and I had a high fever," he said. "I stayed at the hospital and had to take some medicines (intravenously). I was shocked and it disturbed me a bit. I ate too much salty food so that my blood pressure would go up, but I'm in my regular weight again."

Maldonado claimed he's fully recovered -- and frankly the "salted meats" cure he mentioned sounds like something I could really get behind -- but it can't be good to get checked into the hospital just a few days before one of the biggest fights of your life. Kingsbury is starting to look like a better and better bet at the "TUF 13" live finale on Saturday.

From ESPN

[poopoo333]

Hmm, looks good for my Kingsbury bet

[Thewisemann]

Guida at +190, ill have to throw somethin on him at that line if Stephens wins.

[Mr. IWS]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0528/mma_pulver_sy_576.jpg

::lolzorz::

[High5]

Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida
Tony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Herman vs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonadovs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

[SPX]

Damn, Pettis's line all the way up to -260 at Sportsbook.

I think Pettis will win, but that's pretty crazy. -155 is looking like a steal right now.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I can't resist it anymore. I am going to throw down a bet on Guida if Duran wins.

Pettis is exciting and good, but Guida has beaten way better competition, and he has a style that is hard to stop. Pettis just barely edged out Bendo, and IIRC, he would have lost had it been a 3 rounder. On top of that, Guida has the big show experience.

[Thewisemann]

Same here, if Stephens wins.

[Svino]

Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida
Tony Fergusonvs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Herman vs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonadovs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens**
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

[SPX]

Yeah, Pettis barely edged out Bendo, but I really believe that Bendo is FUCKING GOOD. He just soundly defeated Bocek, who some people think won in his fight with Jim Miller and who easily beat Hazelett. In fact, I'm thinking of taking Bendo as a dog against Miller because it would not surprise me at all to see him win that fight.

Guida wins to the guys he's supposed to win against and loses against the guys he's supposed to lose to. And he's supposed to lose this fight.

I like Guida. I am a fan. I like to watch him fight and I usually cheer for him. But his biggest win in the UFC is either Gomi or Dos Anjos, depending on how you look at it. And neither Dos Anjos nor the Gomi of today would have ever been WEC champ, I don't think.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, but Guida has always show flashes. Even way back when he fought Tyson Griffin and Huerta. He really should have won both those fights. He seems to gotten some consistency by joining a camp. The fan in me wants to see Pettis win, because he has a more exciting style. But I just don't see how this fight is anything more than a coinflip, or even slightly in Guida's favor. Pettis -200 is flat out wrong IMO. But then again, Guida does lose all the time. He rarely just gets smoked, but you are right that he has come up short in the big fights in the past. He wins the re-builders and bombs out as a headliner.

[Luke]

Guida only beat Anjos because of the broken jaw , he was clearly down 2 rds to 0 going in to the 3rd, not that it matters .......just saying

[Vandelay]

I like the over 2.5 rounds in cope vs o'neil. two guys with limited power and good chins.

[SPX]

Yeah, but Guida has always show flashes. Even way back when he fought Tyson Griffin and Huerta. He really should have won both those fights. He seems to gotten some consistency by joining a camp. The fan in me wants to see Pettis win, because he has a more exciting style. But I just don't see how this fight is anything more than a coinflip, or even slightly in Guida's favor. Pettis -200 is flat out wrong IMO. But then again, Guida does lose all the time. He rarely just gets smoked, but you are right that he has come up short in the big fights in the past. He wins the re-builders and bombs out as a headliner.

Actually, now that you mention it I think he DID beat Griffin. Shitty judges on that one. And he was on his way to a win over Huerta for sure. And back in SF he apparently beat Josh Thomson, though I never saw it. I agree that these are all impressive performances. I do think he's a good fighter, which is why it pisses me of when people talk shit on him, like zY calling him a "glorified can."

I just don't think he wins this one, but we'll see.

BTW, if you really think it's a "coinflip or even slightly in Guida's favor," why haven't you already placed a bet on him? If you're right, his line has held value from the beginning and has only gotten better.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, I can't resist it anymore. I am going to throw down a bet on Guida if Duran wins.

Pettis is exciting and good, but Guida has beaten way better competition, and he has a style that is hard to stop. Pettis just barely edged out Bendo, and IIRC, he would have lost had it been a 3 rounder. On top of that, Guida has the big show experience.

Naw, Pettis won rounds 1,3,5. So in a 3 round fight it would have been 29-28 Pettis

[poopoo333]

I think Pettis is going to win easy, and I never like betting against the established top control decision winners.

[poopoo333]

So if tonight doesn't suck for me, I will be in the + for MMA again yayyyyy

edit: Actually I am since my Garza sub of night bet wasn't tracked @ UFC 129. I forgot about that.

[Mr. IWS]

So if tonight doesn't suck for me, I will be in the + for MMA again yayyyyy

edit: Actually I am since my Garza sub of night bet wasn't tracked @ UFC 129. I forgot about that.

You been doing real well in Bases and hoops too.

If you weren't such a maricon, I would have repped you, ya fat hippo.

[poopoo333]

I am ahead right now in baseball, but I am pretty sure if I go through all season of my NBA bets on my spreadsheet I'd actually be kind of deep in the negative. I might look at that later.


I just googled "maricon".

http://www.bertstare.com/bertstare.jpg

[poopoo333]

Hey you fucks do you guys want to use the chat tonight for during the fight?

[zY|]

YEs

[Mr. IWS]

I am ahead right now in baseball, but I am pretty sure if I go through all season of my NBA bets on my spreadsheet I'd actually be kind of deep in the negative. I might look at that later.


I just googled "maricon".

http://www.bertstare.com/bertstare.jpg

I just said it, because of the whole Mayorga/Diaz shit. Ever since I read that, I been calling everyone a maricon and a fat hippo.

[poopoo333]

YEs

Sweet. We have been missing sideloaded talking to himself:


sideloaded joined the chat 10 days ago
sideloaded: he banned everything even my ip
sideloaded: what did i ever do to that guy? I figured the only person really pissed at me was zy and lets face it he derserves it
sideloaded: btw, im excellent fade material
sideloaded: 0-10 aint easy

[zY|]

I find it curious he thinks I'M the one that is pissed at him. Why would I give a shit?

[poopoo333]

I am ahead right now in baseball, but I am pretty sure if I go through all season of my NBA bets on my spreadsheet I'd actually be kind of deep in the negative. I might look at that later.

Right. I am in the red right now for MMA, Boxing, NFL, and NBA, and about 95% of that is due to NBA and 5% NFL. Lesson learned: next season don't bet on so much basketball. In a way that relieves me because I realized I just suck with NBA, not everything else.

[zY|]

And Guida is a glorified can because he gets absolutely crushed by bums like Diego Sanchez.

[poopoo333]

And Guida is a glorified can because he gets absolutely crushed by bums like Diego Sanchez.

True. He is going to get crushed.

[Vandelay]

Anthony Pettis vs. Clay Guida
Tony Ferguson vs. Ramsey Nijem
Chris Cope vs. Chuck O'Neil
Ed Herman vs. Tim Credeur
Fabio Maldonado vs. Kyle Kingsbury
George Roop vs. Josh Grispi
Scott Jorgensen vs. Ken Stone
Daniel Downes vs. Jeremy Stephens
Justin Edwards vs. Clay Harvison
Shamar Bailey vs. Ryan McGillivray
Reuben Duran vs. Francisco Rivera

[poopoo333]

Nermind, Guida is going to win. Pettis isn't even good, he should just be in the WWE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8I-oovji4


It won't embed?

[zY|]

Where's the chat link?

[poopoo333]

http://www.chatzy.com/380225023452

[zY|]

Nermind, Guida is going to win. Pettis isn't even good, he should just be in the WWE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8I-oovji4

It won't embed?

Is that dude serious?

[zY|]

Poor Ken Stone

[poopoo333]

"I might wrestle some dudes but guida didn't attempt to pass guard one time a whole new level of dry humping"

-Ben Askren

[MMA_scientist]

I am an Askren fan.

It is not totally true though, Guida did try to pass. Still Guida's gameplan was clearly to just stifle offense and wait for the bell, which I hate. He clearly won a decision, but he did almost zero damage and Pettis was closer to finishing the fight than he was. If he (Guida) thinks he is the most exciting lw in the world, he is beyond delusional. I hate his style of "fighting".

[poopoo333]

Dana White: Jim Miller Next in Line for UFC Lightweight Title Shot (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/5/2207716/dana-white-jim-miller-next-in-line-for-ufc-lightweight-title-shot)

[Thewisemann]

Miller deserves it, but they need to make the Melendez fight happen. Give Guida Guiilard ( if they will fight)

[poopoo333]

Who is next for Guida/Pettis? I want to see Guida/Sherk fight.

[Luke]

Dana White: Jim Miller Next in Line for UFC Lightweight Title Shot (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/5/2207716/dana-white-jim-miller-next-in-line-for-ufc-lightweight-title-shot)

What if he loses to Bendo?

[Luke]

Who is next for Guida/Pettis? I want to see Guida/Sherk fight.


Knowing Dana he'll put Pettis against a striker so we can see how "good" he still is

[edman5555]

I could def see Bendo beating Miller.

[Thewisemann]

Lets see Guida vs Sherk, Pettis vs either Guillard.or Siver.

[Thewisemann]

Stephens vs Gomi please.

[SPX]

Does Sherk even still fight?

[Thewisemann]

Not since Sept, when he robbed Dunham

[poopoo333]

Tony Ferguson: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus)
def. Ramsey Nijem: $8,000

Clay Guida: $74,000 ($37,000 win bonus)
def. Anthony Pettis: $10,000

Ed Herman: $48,000 ($24,000 win bonus)
def. Tim Credeur: $10,000

Kyle Kingsbury: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
def. Fabio Maldonado: $10,000

Chris Cope: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Chuck O'Neil: $8,000

Jeremy Stephens: $40,000 ($20,000 win bonus)
def. Danny Downes: $4,000

George Roop: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Josh Grispi: $15,000

Shamar Bailey: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Ryan McGillivray: $8,000

Clay Harvison: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Justin Edwards: $8,000

Scott Jorgensen: $29,000 ($14,500 win bonus)
def. Ken Stone: $5000

Reuben Duran: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Francisco Rivera: $4,000

Now, the usual disclaimer: The figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter's income. They also do not include any other "locker room" or special bonuses the UFC oftentimes pays. They also do not include portions of the pay-per-view revenue that some top-level fighters receive.

For example, as previously reported, UFC officials handed out additional $40,000 TUF 13 Finale bonuses (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23867/tuf-13-finale-bonuses-ferguson-duran-kingsbury-maldonado-earn-40k-awards.mma) to Ferguson ("KO of the Night"), Duran ("Submission of the Night"), and Kingsbury and Maldonado ("Fight of the Night").

In other words, the above figures are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event.

[SPX]

Not since Sept, when he robbed Dunham

When HE robbed Dunham?

[Luke]

Tony Ferguson: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus)
def. Ramsey Nijem: $8,000

Clay Guida: $74,000 ($37,000 win bonus)
def. Anthony Pettis: $10,000

Ed Herman: $48,000 ($24,000 win bonus)
def. Tim Credeur: $10,000

Kyle Kingsbury: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
def. Fabio Maldonado: $10,000

Chris Cope: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Chuck O'Neil: $8,000

Jeremy Stephens: $40,000 ($20,000 win bonus)
def. Danny Downes: $4,000

George Roop: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Josh Grispi: $15,000

Shamar Bailey: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Ryan McGillivray: $8,000

Clay Harvison: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Justin Edwards: $8,000

Scott Jorgensen: $29,000 ($14,500 win bonus)
def. Ken Stone: $5000

Reuben Duran: $12,000 ($6,000 win bonus)
def. Francisco Rivera: $4,000

Now, the usual disclaimer: The figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter's income. They also do not include any other "locker room" or special bonuses the UFC oftentimes pays. They also do not include portions of the pay-per-view revenue that some top-level fighters receive.

For example, as previously reported, UFC officials handed out additional $40,000 TUF 13 Finale bonuses (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23867/tuf-13-finale-bonuses-ferguson-duran-kingsbury-maldonado-earn-40k-awards.mma) to Ferguson ("KO of the Night"), Duran ("Submission of the Night"), and Kingsbury and Maldonado ("Fight of the Night").

In other words, the above figures are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event.


Those are some HUGE checks to cash

WOOOOOO................WOOOOOOO::wooo::

[Thewisemann]

When HE robbed Dunham?

Ok, when the judges robbed Dunham