Bellator 39

[poopoo333]

Champ Eddie Alvarez vs. Pat Curran (for lightweight title)
Lyman Good vs. Rick Hawn (welterweight tourney semifinals)
Jay Hieron vs. Brent Weedman (welterweight tourney semifinals)*
Ben Saunders vs. Matt Lee

[SPX]

Damn, Ben Saunders up in this motherfucker!

[BillyPilgrim]

Toby Imada vs. Patricky Freire

added to card...

I will be interested to see this line. Has to be close to even

bellator 40 and 41 are shaping up nicely too.

[Luke]

anyone got a link?

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/370.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[BillyPilgrim]

1.4u on Freire to win 1u

I don't see how Imada wins that.

[BillyPilgrim]

Might take Hawn at those odds too, though I do think he will lose the fight.

[BillyPilgrim]

Looking at Matt Lee now. Saunders might be worth a parlay with either Friere or Alvarez.

[BillyPilgrim]

Matt Lee is 40, and has multiple losses to LW's, even a couple FWs. Saunders is a huge ww. With his MT clinch, Saunders should just mad dog this guy. I am just double checking to make sure he isn't a great wrestler.

[poopoo333]

I bet Imada @+165. I put 3u on it because I liked the odds and I knew it would shift a lot so I'd be able to back out of it once I actually looked at the fight.

[BillyPilgrim]

Yeah, I saw the line opened with Friere @ -215... that is way too high IMO. I thought it would open close to even. I just have not seen enough of Patricky to make a big bet. At -140, I think it is just in the bettable range, but I wouldn't go much higher than that.

[BillyPilgrim]

Finished looking a Matt Lee. Saunders should wreck him. I don't know what to do with that information though.

What do you think about Alvarez/Curran?

[BillyPilgrim]

Ok, just found out that Rene Nazare is a BJJ world champion and holds a win over ther very formidable grappler and MMA fighter Brian McLaughlin. It is enough for me to take him as a dog over Veach, who got choked out by Paul Kelly.

[BillyPilgrim]

2u to win 2u on Nazare.

[poopoo333]

Seems like a good play. Veach was armbarred by Fickett in 36 seconds too

[BillyPilgrim]

I feel good about it, I may hedge it out to 1u, because Nazare has not fought since 2009. Veach has been active and fighting good comp. But stylistically, Veach should have problems.

[BillyPilgrim]

Let me repeat the question: What do you (the plural "you") think about Alvarez/Curran?

[BillyPilgrim]

mini-wisemann:

.25u to win 1.3u

Strikeforce Fighting 1002 Justin Wilcox -300* vs Rodrigo Damm
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2002 Eddie Alvarez -485* vs Pat Curran
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2202 Patricky Freire -145* vs Toby Imada
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2302 Ben Saunders -610* vs Matt Lee
Pending 4/2/11 7:00pm Bellator Fighting 2401 Rene Naraze +100* vs Matt Veach



lock.

[poopoo333]

Pat Curran is like Joey Beltran. He always wins when you think he is going to lose. I think Alvarez will win easily but I'd only put it in a parlay

[BillyPilgrim]

^^ I was considering a parlay with Saunders, but decided to pass, the price is too steep on Alvarez against a credible opponent. I just did my mini-wisemann instead. Feel free to call out the parlay buster in that line-up.

[BillyPilgrim]

.1u to win 1.55u

Pending 4/2/11 12:30am Strikeforce Fighting 1002 Justin Wilcox -300* vs Rodrigo Damm
Pending 4/9/11 9:00pm Strikeforce Fighting 1201 Lyle Beerbohm +165* vs Shinya Aoki
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2002 Eddie Alvarez -485* vs Pat Curran
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2202 Patricky Freire -145* vs Toby Imada
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2302 Ben Saunders -610* vs Matt Lee
Pending 4/2/11 7:00pm Bellator Fighting 2401 Rene Naraze +100* vs Matt Veach

Lock.

[BillyPilgrim]

Ok, i need to stop.

[edman5555]

How good are Toby Imadas takedowns?

[edman5555]

I threw some money on Pat Freiere. Then his line improved significantly. I hate when that happens. It always makes me want to bet more. He looked really good in his last fight. Toby looked good with his sub win though. That inverted triangle choke thing. I don't know if that really means he is amazing though. I would think Judo gets beat by very good BJJ, unless he is really good at getting top position with it.

[MMA_scientist]

I am banking on Friere's takedowns and takedown defense being at least similar to Patricio's. Patricio stuffed Warren mant times in round1 and even took him down. Seeing as they train together, I am assuming he has some wrestling.

[edman5555]

Well he is supposedly really good on the ground and he did knock out rob mccullough which leads me to believe his standup is really good. I just get a vibe from this guy that says he is really amazing. Same thing with his bro. I put 7u on him already. Might have been a mistake but we'll see. The line moved right after I did it. I got him at -145, now he is -115. Action Junkie move. Toby isn't really that amazing though. He can win though. I think.

[poopoo333]

Freire dominated round 1 against Razor Rob...but then seemed to fade completely in round 2 and lost the round clearly, then IIRC was losing round 3 before getting the KO.

[edman5555]

The thing about Imada is I don't see that he has really done all that well against anyone except MAsvidal. That triangle was so famous I think it is effecting his line tbh. I think he should have got the nod in the Curran fight though. I watched most of that today.

[MMA_scientist]

Freire dominated round 1 against Razor Rob...but then seemed to fade completely in round 2 and lost the round clearly, then IIRC was losing round 3 before getting the KO.

Yeah, and I think Razor Rob would beat Imada too.

[edman5555]

What do you guys think of Rick Hawn/Lyman Good? Hawn seems to be pretty impressive but very new.

[MMA_scientist]

I think it will be very close, probably a brawl on the feet. I think Good will win a decision.

[poopoo333]

Matt Veach out, Luiz Azeredo in against Rene Nazare (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/inside_the_octagon/index.php/2011/04/01/matt-veach-out-luiz-azeredo-in-agaisnt-rene-nazare/)

[SPX]

Why Imada, High5?

[High5]

Why Imada, High5?

I was leaning Imada then this tweet helped me make up my mind.

MMAOdds Joey Oddessa
imada = i-moneda @sportsrage @ghost_kid

[edman5555]

Why were you leaning Imada? His only advantage is overall mma exp. Patricky should have better standup + BJJ.

[High5]

Why were you leaning Imada? His only advantage is overall mma exp. Patricky should have better standup + BJJ.

I think Imada has superior grappling skills, Imada hasn't been knocked out in 5 years and at +140 I think Imada has value.

[SPX]

Imada also has better cardio, I think.

Patricky faded hard after one round against Razor Rob.

[Svino]

Matt Veach out, Luiz Azeredo in against Rene Nazare (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/inside_the_octagon/index.php/2011/04/01/matt-veach-out-luiz-azeredo-in-agaisnt-rene-nazare/)

Rene Nazare > Luiz Azeredo > Anderson Silva

[edman5555]

I'm not sure Imada is the better grappler but he may have better cardio.

[edman5555]

link for this?

[SPX]

No one has a stream?

[SPX]

Stream:

http://mmafightvideosonline.blogspot.com/2011/04/bellator-fc-39-stream.html

[Svino]

I've got one at
http://www.vipstand.me/watch/26062/1/bellator-fighting-championships-39---pat-curran-vs-eddie-alvarez,-rick-hawn-vs-lyman-good,-dave-jansen-vs-scott-mcafee,-matt-lee-vs-ben-saunders,-greg-rebello-vs-dan-cramer,-mike-winters-vs-ryan-quinn,-matt-veach-vs-rene-nazare,-j-mclaughlin-vs-b-tugman.html

[poopoo333]

Saunders loves to knee people.

[SPX]

Saunders is clearly winning, but this Lee dude deserves credit for being tough as balls.

[poopoo333]

I don't get why Lee's corner even wants Lee to go back out.

[SPX]

I don't get why Lee's corner even wants Lee to go back out.

Well they were talking earlier about how this is a do-or-die fight for him as far as being in a major MMA promotion goes.

[SPX]

All right, Toby. Let's get it done.

[poopoo333]

fuuu

[SPX]

Should've gone with my initial inclination to just leave that fight alone.

Sigh.

[poopoo333]

I don't care I am going to have a winning night tomorrow at Wrestlemania. Fuck MMA

[Thewisemann]

that was fucking awesome

[Svino]

Sorry to the guys who bet on Imada.

(It was a pretty wicked KO, though.)

[SPX]

War Hawn

[SPX]

Sorry to the guys who bet on Imada.

(It was a pretty wicked KO, though.)

Yeah, crazy KO. I really wanted to see Imada win, though. Fuck these Brazilians.

[Svino]

I could just hear the Mortal Kombat announcer shout "Finish Him!" while Imada stood there wobbling around.

[Svino]

Well, I like Hawn's strategy. Beating up Good against the fence may be his best bet.

[SPX]

I agree.

Hopefully the judges will score rd 1 for him due to control. Good clearly won the striking, though.

[poopoo333]

I hope to see Hawn and Hieron in the finals.

[SPX]

I'd like to place an order of more of that, please.

[SPX]

I give it to Hawn, and not just because I have a bet on him.

[Luke]

that last rd was a clear 10-8 for Garcia

[poopoo333]

If Hawn gets the decision, and Alvarez wins... I break even on the event.

[SPX]

that last rd was a clear 10-8 for Garcia

The only way to beat Garcia is with the Twister. Everyone knows that.

[Luke]

Why did they stop the rd 5 seconds early? Seriously I rewound the rd, it was stopped about 5-6 seconds early

[SPX]

Not sure about that. Didn't notice.

War Hawn! Glad he took it. If only I hadn't made that Imada bet. . .

[Svino]

Why did they stop the rd 5 seconds early? Seriously and rewound it the rd was stopped about 5-6 seconds early

Interesting. I didn't notice.

I actually had it 29-28 for Good, but the 1st and 3rd rounds were so close that 30-27 Hawn wasn't unreasonable.

[Luke]

Are you guys serious? You didnt notice they cut off about 5-6 seconds of the round?

[SPX]

Interesting. I didn't notice.

I actually had it 29-28 for Good, but the 1st and 3rd rounds were so close that 30-27 Hawn wasn't unreasonable.

I gave Good the first, and Hawn the second and third.

I'm glad Hawn didn't just come to bang and fought smart.

[Svino]

Are you guys serious? You didnt notice they cut off about 5-6 seconds of the round?

I believe you. Hell, the UFC did that once, not long ago. I just didn't notice.

[Luke]

I believe you. Hell, the UFC did that once, not long ago. I just didn't notice.


Lol I thought you guys were screwing with me .

On tv you can clearly hear them say "10 seconds" when there's 15 seconds left on the clock. I thought that was odd so I started paying attention. I'll admit if I would have had money on the fight i wouldnt have noticed

[SPX]

Time to see if Curran's +425 line is justified or not.

[SPX]

Lol I thought you guys were screwing with me .

On tv you can clearly hear them say "10 seconds" when there's 15 seconds left on the clock. I thought that was odd so I started paying attention. I'll admit if I would have had money on the fight i wouldnt have noticed

Maybe the official clock was slightly off from the TV clock.

[poopoo333]

Time to see if Curran's +425 line is justified or not.

That fucking fucker is probably going to win and make me wanna kill myself tonight.

[zY|]

What's up team? I heard Ben Saunders directed a horror movie on Matt Lee's face and Imada caught a stretcher job. Brutal.

[SPX]

That fucking fucker is probably going to win and make me wanna kill myself tonight.

If Imada and Hawn had both won then I was going to put .25u on him. I really don't think he'll win, though. Alvarez has looked awesome.

[SPX]

What's up team? I heard Ben Saunders directed a horror movie on Matt Lee's face and Imada caught a stretcher job. Brutal.

It HAS been eventful.

[Luke]

What's up team? I heard Ben Saunders directed a horror movie on Matt Lee's face and Imada caught a stretcher job. Brutal.


Missed it and missed it ...just got here myself

[Luke]

What's up team? I heard Ben Saunders directed a horror movie on Matt Lee's face and Imada caught a stretcher job. Brutal.


you did miss some good time keeping again though

[zY|]

you did miss some good time keeping again though

LOL yeah I read about it.

And Curran not looking like a +425 underdog so far.

[SPX]

And Curran not looking like a +425 underdog so far.

It's too bad that they don't give you at least some of the winnings when a big underdog gives a much better performance than the odds indicate.

[zY|]

Jeff Curran, MMA legend.

Can we please stop this nonsense? Do we really need to call every fighter that won a few fights a decade ago a legend?

[SPX]

Jeff Curran, MMA legend.

Can we please stop this nonsense? Do we really need to call every fighter that won a few fights a decade ago a legend?

Who did they call a legend the other day?

Oh yeah, Gonzaga.

Pulver really is a legend, though.

[Luke]

Jeff Curran, MMA legend.

Can we please stop this nonsense? Do we really need to call every fighter that won a few fights a decade ago a legend?


well if gonzaga is considered a legend then yes

[poopoo333]

Pulver really is a legend, though.

ya, and if Jardine didn't go beat up a couple of cans since Shark Fights he'd be a legend after the Mousasi fight too.





I'd like to see Alvarez vs Edgar. Would be an entertaining fight

[SPX]

ya, and if Jardine didn't go beat up a couple of cans since Shark Fights he'd be a legend after the Mousasi fight too.


Do you really not think Jens Pulver is a legend in MMA?

[zY|]

Gonzaga is definitely not a legend. He has one good win ever.

I wouldn't even say Pulver is a 'legend'.

[SPX]

I think that Pulver's accomplishments have to be considered in light of the era he was in while in his prime.

But as the first UFC LW champ and the only guy to beat BJ at LW for like 8 years + the fact that he has the whole cult of personality surrounding him, I think he's worthy of the "legend" label.

Like with Couture, it's not all about wins and losses.

[poopoo333]

http://oi53.tinypic.com/119uesm.jpg

[SPX]

You have received an infraction.

[zY|]

Define 'legend'.

[poopoo333]

You have received an infraction.

Dear poopoo333,

You have received a warning at Investwithsports.com Sportstalk and Gambling forum.

Reason:
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Insulted Other Member(s)

You have received an infraction. Reason: Being an asshole.




Jens Pulver is a member on IWS? So that's who sideloaded is.

[SPX]

Define 'legend'.

I think it goes beyond how many wins or losses someone has. They have to have some accomplishments, of course, but I believe it is about overall impact on the sport.

[poopoo333]

I made 19 cents on Bellator 39. Come at me bros.

[SPX]

Jens Pulver is a member on IWS? So that's who sideloaded is.

::crying::

[zY|]

I dunno. I can only think of like 4-5 guys worthy of being called 'legend' by the typical definition.

[High5]

Sorry to the guys who bet on Imada.

(It was a pretty wicked KO, though.)


Just got home, I saw on twitter that Freire KO'd Imada in the 1st, Congrats to Edman and everybody else who won on Pitbull!
I have the card dvr'd, time for me check it out.

[zY|]

Ok, if anyone finds a link to the Ben Saunders elbow-and-knee-a-thon please post it ASAP. The Alvarez fight did not satisfy my bloodlust. Ben Saunders is violence incarnate.

[SPX]

I dunno. I can only think of like 4-5 guys worthy of being called 'legend' by the typical definition.

Really? Like who?

I guess my list would be bigger.

Couture, Penn, Ken Shamrock, Pulver, Frye, Severn, Royce, Coleman, Wanderlei, Cro Cop, Liddell, Sakuraba, Buchholz, Fedor, Vitor. . .

Legends.

[zY|]

Really? Like who?

I guess my list would be bigger.

Couture, Penn, Ken Shamrock, Pulver, Frye, Severn, Royce, Coleman, Wanderlei, Cro Cop, Liddell, Sakuraba, Buchholz, Fedor, Vitor. . .

Legends.

wat

[SPX]

wat

LOL

[Luke]

You have received an infraction.



LOL ...........how do we even do that?

[SPX]

LOL ...........how do we even do that?

Just click the little infraction icon under their post and do your thing.

[zY|]

LOL

Still waiting for an explanation.

[Luke]

Just click the little infraction icon under their post and do your thing.


oh this is going to be fun.......like a kid in a candy shop

[SPX]

Still waiting for an explanation.

Justin Buchholz

The Man . . . The Legend . . .

[SPX]

oh this is going to be fun.......like a kid in a candy shop

Word. I'm surprised I haven't used it before.

[SPX]

Dan Cramer wins!

[zY|]

Justin Buchholz

The Man . . . The Legend . . .

You've got Buchholz on your list but not The American Fedor? The Insane One? List is shit.

[SPX]

You've got Buchholz on your list but not The American Fedor? The Insane One? List is shit.

Shannon Gugerty also didn't make it.

[MMA_scientist]

mini-wisemann:

.25u to win 1.3u

Strikeforce Fighting 1002 Justin Wilcox -300* vs Rodrigo Damm
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2002 Eddie Alvarez -485* vs Pat Curran
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2202 Patricky Freire -145* vs Toby Imada
Pending 4/2/11 8:00pm Bellator Fighting 2302 Ben Saunders -610* vs Matt Lee
Pending 4/2/11 7:00pm Bellator Fighting 2401 Rene Naraze +100* vs Matt Veach



lock.


Just wanted to let you guys know that I am invincible now.

[SPX]

Just wanted to let you guys know that I am invincible now.

LOL

Too bad Veach didn't actually fight.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Yeah, I just got in and watched the Friere fight... I haven't seen anything else yet, but I saw the results.

Anyway, I am off to bed, took the kids to St. Louis today and I am pooped.

[MMA_scientist]

LOL ...........how do we even do that?

You didn't see where Zak broke his cherry and gave me IWS 1st ever infraction this week?

[Luke]

LOL

Too bad Veach didn't actually fight.


So instead of paying 7 to 1 it paid closer to 2.2 to 1 if it didnt get cancelled


did it get cancelled or just drop to 2.2 to 1?

[Luke]

You didn't see where Zak broke his cherry and gave me IWS 1st ever infraction this week?


must have missed that ........damn

[zY|]

Here are the fights if you missed them.

http://fightnext.com/

All on the first page.

Ben Saunders and Pitbull are first-class bringers of the V.

[MMA_scientist]

So instead of paying 7 to 1 it paid closer to 2.2 to 1 if it didnt get cancelled


did it get cancelled or just drop to 2.2 to 1?

on 5dimes they pay it out minus the fight that didn't happen.

[poopoo333]

Thank god for the IWS ride together/die together parlay + a degenerate no research at all bet since it made me break even last night. I really thought Imada/Freire would be competitive. How do you guys think Mike Chandler vs Patricky Freire would go? (assuming Chandler wins his next fight)

[Vandelay]

I wouldn't quite pencil in Chandler yet. Lloyd Woodard showed good takedown defense in his last fight and Im sure he's a better striker. I think Freire would beat Woodard more easily than he wood Chandler though, simply because it should be a standup fight. We havent really seen Freire off his back yet and although the commentators last night said Freire thought imada was only mediocre on the ground and not on his level, I'm sure Freire isn't immune to being layed on.

[Luke]

on 5dimes they pay it out minus the fight that didn't happen.


thats what I figured but didnt know where you made the bet

[MMA_scientist]

Thank god for the IWS ride together/die together parlay + a degenerate no research at all bet since it made me break even last night. I really thought Imada/Freire would be competitive. How do you guys think Mike Chandler vs Patricky Freire would go? (assuming Chandler wins his next fight)

I think it would look like Patricio/Warren. Close fight, Freire may put him away quick (Freire scored a 10-8 in rd 1 IMO), but if he doesn't, he will probably gas out and lose a decision. But I agree with Vandelay, I think Chandler is going to have his hands full with Woodard, though I do think he will win.