FBI seizes online poker sites

[Thewisemann]

should we be cashing out asap? is 5dimes and the others next?

[Luke]

More info please? Seized what poker sites?

Maybe thats why my brother is irrate today

[zY|]

More info please? Seized what poker sites?

Maybe thats why my brother is irrate today

Looks like...all of them.

[Luke]

Looks like...all of them.


Holy crap wow.

How long before they all get .me domains and get up and running again? 12 hours?



edit: or is everyones money gone too

[Ludo]

It looks like they busted them for bank fraud due to some of the major sites claiming up to 76 bank accounts in as many as 14 countries. Something about them setting up fake accounts for payouts or whatever. Hopefully they don't target sports betting too. This is getting ridiculous.

[Thewisemann]

this has me thinking i should cashout

[SPX]

If they seized my shit they'd get about $700. Fuck it. I'll let it ride.

How the fuck are they seizing anything, though? Don't all these sites/books have offshore accounts now? Wasn't there a whole big debacle earlier with Bodog keeping money in the US that solved this problem?

[MMA_scientist]

hmm. I am going try to ride it out. My guess is they won't send you the money now anyway...

[MMA_scientist]

Here is the article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42613518/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

looks like the problem is that the overseas companies set up shell processors to "trick" U.S. banks into processing the payments to them. U.S. banks can't or won't knowingly fund a gambling site, so they set up intermediaries... apparently the feds think that is bank fraud.


Anyway, Luke you and your dream of a cop on every corner protecting us all from ourselves is coming true. Congrats.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't know if the smaller sites like 5d and Bookmaker (small compared to Absolute Poker and Full Tilt) have done the same thing, since I use WU to defraud. It should be the same thing though... they have you send the money to a "private citizen" via WU... I am going to let it sit for a few days, but I might try to cash out some of it just to see what they do. I guarantee they won't pay.

[sbjj]

Just one of the reasons why most of my plays are made in Vegas. I do not completely trust offshore books, and I sure as hell do not trust the Feds.

[MMA_scientist]

I used to send money to a friend in Vegas and have him make plays for me after the poker crackdown about 5 years ago... I finally gave in a couple years ago to the internet sports books. But most likely, I just lost my entire bankroll... so that is a great way to kick off the weekend.

[Luke]

Here is the article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42613518/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

looks like the problem is that the overseas companies set up shell processors to "trick" U.S. banks into processing the payments to them. U.S. banks can't or won't knowingly fund a gambling site, so they set up intermediaries... apparently the feds think that is bank fraud.


Anyway, Luke you and your dream of a cop on every corner protecting us all from ourselves is coming true. Congrats.


This is the FBI not cops on corners.

I guess the FBI's main concern is poker/sports betting and homeland securities is illegal streams.......what a waste of tax dollars

What a POS country we live in

[Luke]

I don't know if the smaller sites like 5d and Bookmaker (small compared to Absolute Poker and Full Tilt) have done the same thing, since I use WU to defraud. It should be the same thing though... they have you send the money to a "private citizen" via WU... I am going to let it sit for a few days, but I might try to cash out some of it just to see what they do. I guarantee they won't pay.

I'd bet money bookmaker or 5dimes will pay you if you ask for a cash out

Bookmaker is not a small site they have a betting limit of 20k on NFL and 10 K on college football if I remember right

[Luke]

I'm honestly not worried about it 50% of my roll was in matchbook and I had to get it sent back to me when they closed the doors to US customers so I dont have as much online as I use to

[MMA_scientist]

Well that is where I have my money (5d and BM). I am going to try to cash out Monday. I am going to start depositing just enough to cover my bets. It is stupid of me to keep it all in the online account anyway.

[Svino]

I wouldn't keep too much in. (Certainly no more than the 5k or so that triggers mandatory reporting.) But of course, it's expensive to make a lot of transactions because these sites always find a way to charge for cash-outs.

[Luke]

Well that is where I have my money (5d and BM). I am going to try to cash out Monday. I am going to start depositing just enough to cover my bets. It is stupid of me to keep it all in the online account anyway.


I think you'll be ok with 5dimes and BM. I'd probably withdraw money too if I had just got a lot back from matchbook

[Svino]

From what I can find, only the sites PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and Absolute Poker were targeted so far. But I think all internet gambling sites have to do this kind of illegal shit to operate in the US. It's not legal for US financial institutions to make these transactions, so the bookies either have to fool them or bribe them.

[Vandelay]

I think their main priority is poker sites. If they shut down Bodog or Betus (which i consider to be the biggest and most accessible sites), then i think were fucked. Until then, im not too worried about it. 5dimes doesn't accept a huge amount of US customers anyway and i'm pretty sure their main deposit method is cash transfers.

[Thewisemann]

i have around $3,000 or so in 5d and bookmaker, all pending at this point. im cashing it out if i can

[Luke]

mmaweekly:



A major player in the world of MMA sponsorships may have just come to an end.
Federal indictments were handed down on Friday naming three major poker sites: PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and Absolute Poker, and the companies’ executives.
Online gambling is illegal in the U.S., but several sites have found ways to work around the laws, but the Federal government cracked down on the sites on Friday. According to a report from the L.A. Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/04/three-largest-online-poker-sites-indicted-and-shut-down-by-fbi.html), the affiliates involved with the sites were charged with bank fraud and money laundering with several arrests already made.
“These defendants concocted an elaborate criminal fraud scheme, alternately tricking some U.S. banks and effectively bribing others to assure the continued flow of billions in illegal gambling profits,” Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney in Manhattan, said in a statement.
The poker sites have been shut down by the government, and while some people may still be able to access them currently, it will only be a matter of time before they are shut down completely and inaccessible.
In the MMA world, poker sites had become a major sponsor of fighters and promotions over the past several years. One manager speaking to MMAWeekly.com (http://mmaweekly.com/MMAWeekly.com) on Friday stated that many of the poker sponsorships rivaled the money of what any two or three other sponsors could offer, and the poker sites considered it ‘chump change.’
Full Tilt Poker, who had been a major sponsor of many fighters in the UFC, have been banned from sponsorships in the organization for the past two years. While speculation ran wild that the UFC kicked Full Tilt Poker out for being a competitor to Zuffa owners Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta’s own casinos, sources have indicated it was for a different reason altogether.
Independent sources confirmed to MMAWeekly.com (http://mmaweekly.com/MMAWeekly.com) that one of the major reasons the UFC banned the online poker site had more to do with the company wanting to avoid dealing with a sponsor who was allegedly doing illegal business. The Federal government has long sniffed around the online poker industry. UFC officials read the writing on the wall, choosing not to do business with companies in that industry.
Prosecutors in the case are looking to shut down the sites permanently, send their executives to jail, and recover over $3 billion dollars from the companies.
Bellator Fighting Championships had also banned the online poker sites from sponsorships, but companies like Full Tilt Poker remained in place as sponsors of fighters in Strikeforce.
It’s unknown at this time how fast the money currently owed to some fighters might get pulled or paid out. The company websites had all been shut down and seized as of Friday night, but it’s unclear what business will be going forward in regards to sponsorships for fighters.

[poopoo333]

I ain't scared homie.

[Luke]

I ain't scared homie.

+1

[Luke]

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t233/luke1899/xp0jv6.jpg

[Luke]

Here's how it got started :




The internet is still coming to grips with the huge online gambling bust that just took down the U.S.'s three biggest online poker sites (http://www.businessinsider.com/online-poker-websites-fraud-2011-4).
But Australia's Courier-Mail newspaper already has the scoop on the one man who may have single-handedly built the online industry ... then handed it to the U.S. government on a platter. (http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/web-kings-life-on-the-line/story-fn6ck45n-1226039907165)
According to this story, Daniel Tzvetkoff was a young Australian entrepreneur who set up the payment processing schemes used by the biggest poker sites to handle their (mostly illegal) transactions.
He is described by those who know him as a "boy wonder" and "genius" who started his first company at 13 and knew all the intricacies of e-commerce.
He made Full Tilt Poker and Poker Stars millions of dollars — and made as much as $150,000 a day for himself — but then got even more greedy and started taking their. They sued him, accusing Tzvetkoff of taking more than $100 million of their money.
Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites' founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of cash, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.
Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors last August, he was suddenly out on bail. And now his former colleagues are the ones facing serious prison time.
Daniel Tzvetkoff knows the operations of these poker sites inside and out. It was knowledge of the financial industry that allowed them to operate. He's the one man positioned to give the U.S. Attorneys everything they needed to take down their businesses.
And it looks like that's exactly what he did, cooperating with the authorities to avoid his own lengthy jail sentence.
All the major gambling prosecutions in the U.S. since Tzvetkoff's arrest have been run out of the office of Arlo Devlin-Brown, the Manhattan Asst. U.S. Attorney who is Tzvetkoff's "handler."
According to a source, Tzvetkoff "knows how to reverse-engineer transactions to determine its original source," making him very valuable to investigators.
And the biggest irony of all? It's been rumored that the only reason the FBI got their hands on him (http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-news/another-era-daniel-tzvetkoff-would-have-been-whacked-shot-or-garroted-041511.html) is because Full Tilt or Poker Stars (the companies he used to work for and stole from) tipped off the FBI that he was going to be traveling to the United States last year.
They ratted him out ... and he turned the tables. No honor among thieves.
And as the Courier Mail put it, if this were still the old days, he'd buried in the Las Vegas desert right now.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-genius-online-poker-scandal-2011-4#ixzz1JerWhg5g

[zY|]

LOL at 'business as usual'.

[edman5555]

God damn I can't log into 5 dimes. I have 2 grand in there.

[edman5555]

I just requested all my money from Bodog. Taking out 1336.

[edman5555]

Shit nevermind bitches. I'm in! Time to withdraw.

[bloydie]

Hey,

Im going to take some of money out of my 5dimes account, i did not realise they dont deposit straight into your bank account. Which is strange for me as they took payment straight off my card. I have no previous experience in the companies they list that you can withdraw from. I was wondering which ones do you guys use as im sure some charge more / less then others.

It only gives me the following options
Moneybookers
Neteller
Click2Pay
Fedex
Goldpay
Instadebit

thanks

[Vandelay]

So youre done betting edman?...I'd go with fed ex bloydie. They will physically hand you a check. Im not sure how the other methods work

[sbjj]

I'm with Luke on this one.

What an incredible waste of time and man power by all involved. Would be sad if we had a major terrorist attack while they are busy going after the real threat of online poker and sports betting. the Feds are increasingly doing things that they should not be getting involved in.

Meanwhile, at this same time, millions of americans are banging their heads against the wall trying to figure out how much they owe in taxes. Hilarious, people have to figure out for the Gov. how much they have to pay them. Imagine if any private company made you figure out how much you had to pay them. All the while, a guy could make 200K a year betting sports legally in Vegas and not pay ANY taxes because the Feds are to stupid to implement a simple consumption tax(instead of the income) that would swallow up all the income that is now currently not taxed....Gambling, drugs, prostitution, simple cash transactions(under the table work).

Our politicians are just plain dumb...Rant is over.

[edman5555]

So youre done betting edman?...I'd go with fed ex bloydie. They will physically hand you a check. Im not sure how the other methods work

Well I am taking all my money out for now. From here on out we will see. I'm not taking any chances with 4k

[edman5555]

pretty cool too, I just did my tax returns so I am getting 1k from that. If all goes well I should have about 5k in my hands in a couple of weeks. I have to wait until monday to get my money from Bookmaker and 5dimes.

[Luke]

Hey,

Im going to take some of money out of my 5dimes account, i did not realise they dont deposit straight into your bank account. Which is strange for me as they took payment straight off my card. I have no previous experience in the companies they list that you can withdraw from. I was wondering which ones do you guys use as im sure some charge more / less then others.

It only gives me the following options
Moneybookers
Neteller
Click2Pay
Fedex
Goldpay
Instadebit

thanks

I've only withdrew from them once but I think WU costs 40 or 50 dollars and Fedex is 50 but you get one free withdraw a month , at least you use to

[Luke]

I'm with Luke on this one.

What an incredible waste of time and man power by all involved. Would be sad if we had a major terrorist attack while they are busy going after the real threat of online poker and sports betting. the Feds are increasingly doing things that they should not be getting involved in.

Meanwhile, at this same time, millions of americans are banging their heads against the wall trying to figure out how much they owe in taxes. Hilarious, people have to figure out for the Gov. how much they have to pay them. Imagine if any private company made you figure out how much you had to pay them. All the while, a guy could make 200K a year betting sports legally in Vegas and not pay ANY taxes because the Feds are to stupid to implement a simple consumption tax(instead of the income) that would swallow up all the income that is now currently not taxed....Gambling, drugs, prostitution, simple cash transactions(under the table work).

Our politicians are just plain dumb...Rant is over.



I still cant figure out what illegal streams have to do with homeland security .

Cant stop 3 planes from crashing into the twin towers and pentagon but stopping illegal streams they can do .............at least for a day lol

[sbjj]

The Feds try to run almost every aspect of our lives. And then everyone seems surprised when they do such a shitty job.

[MMA_scientist]

You guys should throw your vote away on the Libertarian candidate like I do...

Blame the good people of the Unites States... we can change it any time we want. But people are too stupid and/or lazy

[edman5555]

You guys should throw your vote away on the Libertarian candidate like I do...

Blame the good people of the Unites States... we can change it any time we want. But people are too stupid and/or lazy

This is true. I will vote for whoever that candidate is.

[edman5555]

nevermind. Here is the last guy that ran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr

[Vandelay]

Vote for Ron Paul. He will never win the primary so its a moot point, but I think his views and ideas are a welcome change and have the best chance to right the ship.

[edman5555]

Yeah RP is a sweet dude.

[MMA_scientist]

nevermind. Here is the last guy that ran. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr

Uh, yeah, that dude would be 1000000x better than any president we have had in our life times. He supports a fair tax, that is all you need to know. No taxes unless you buy something, I would vote for that guy times a million.

[SPX]

Uh, yeah, that dude would be 1000000x better than any president we have had in our life times. He supports a fair tax, that is all you need to know. No taxes unless you buy something, I would vote for that guy times a million.

It's interesting you bring that up, because I listened to a radio show just yesterday where a guy was a guest talking about the "FairTax."

[MMA_scientist]

The fair tax/national sales tax/consumption tax... whatever you want to call it, is basically the selling point for the Libertarian Party (they also want to legalize most victimless crimes- including pot, so that should make you happy). They basically want to get the Government out of our business, back to the way it should be.

Too bad it is all just white man fantasy. Governments don't get smaller, once something has been added, it stays forever. A fair tax will never ever happen.

[edman5555]

Bob Barr? He doesn't seem very liberty oriented. According to what I read he is against Pot and gay marriage. Maybe I should delve a little deeper into his positions but he sounds like a conservative.

[MMA_scientist]

Bob Barr? He doesn't seem very liberty oriented. According to what I read he is against Pot and gay marriage. Maybe I should delve a little deeper into his positions but he sounds like a conservative.

You didn't read closely enough. He started out as a conservative and then jumped ship a few years ago. The Wiki article says he is trying to repeal his own amendments (from when he was a republican).

"In Congress, Barr's strong stance against medical marijuana put him at odds with marijuana policy reformers such as the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP). Despite this historic antagonism, in March 2007, Barr reversed his stance on medical marijuana[89] and began lobbying on behalf of MPP.[90][91]"

I am a social liberal (personally I am very conservative, but I just believe in letting people make thier own decisions), but not all Libertarians are... just like not all democrats are socialist and not all republicans are facists (just most of them).

[Mr. IWS]

Luke, whats up with your brothers shit?

[Luke]

Luke, whats up with your brothers shit?


No idea .He's gets backed by peopel now so if his funds are gone he wont really care because it wasnt his money. I havent talked to him about it yet, I'll try calling him tonight


Edit: Maybe he would be pissed I'll have to call him

[Luke]

Talked to my brother today . He said the poker guys he plays with got wind of something going down and they withdrawed all there money and only left there backers money in their accounts. He said he can log in but cant play or cash out.

He also said the only reason they got shutdown was because of the rat and sportbetting has nothing to worry about ............for now


MMAscientist did you try for an withdraw?

[MMA_scientist]

Not yet... I actually forgot about it. I will probably try tomorrow.

[SPX]

I thought you were gonna let it ride?

[MMA_scientist]

^ no, I am going to stay in the game, but I am going to have to start keeping my bankroll in dufflebag or something. I am just going to keep enough in there to cover my bets. It takes 5 minutes to go to WU and deposit, and it is usually in my account in an hour. There is no reason to keep it all online.

[Thewisemann]

^ no, I am going to stay in the game, but I am going to have to start keeping my bankroll in dufflebag or something. I am just going to keep enough in there to cover my bets. It takes 5 minutes to go to WU and deposit, and it is usually in my account in an hour. There is no reason to keep it all online.

+1

[edman5555]

Yeah I emptied my 5dimes + Bodog so far. Checks are in the mail, so I am told. I wonder how long it will take, I bet a lot of people are doing the same thing right now. I still have to empty my bookmaker account though. From here on out I will be depos +Withdrawing on the fly. No Keeping thousands in there to get sacked by the massive piece of shit government. What a bunch of useless toilet turds. God I hate them. Someone with a lot of comp knowhow has to start some sort of petition to make sportsbetting legal in America. Fuck, I would go door to door for a day or two to help out (in addition to signing the petition). We're going to need a nationwide movement, preferably sponsored by IWS.

[sbjj]

Good to see the Libertarian spirit alive and well in here.

Just remember, the freedom to sports gamble is a freedom that is very important to all of us in here(obviously). But some find it immoral and bad for society. their morals should not control our lives. But others may want the freedom to do drugs, pay for sex, carry a firearm, or just keep their income(not pay income taxes).

the real key to being a true Libertarian, is to put all your moral judgements aside, and let people truely be free. contrary to popular belief, when people are left alone, they usually do pretty well.

Side note, the #1 thing holding Black americans down is the insane war on drugs, followed by the failed public schools and welfare. Why are there not more black Libertarians.

[poopoo333]

Guys I need to do an outline for a persuasive speech on Thursday and I think I want to do it on legalizing online gambling.

But I have no idea of any good arguments or anything like that. Help me out guyssssss

[SPX]

If I were doing such a paper, I would definitely focus on the fact that in America we're supposed to be free and have the right to choose, even when those choices can have negative consequences for us. I would also look into statistics, if they're available, that tell us whether or not there's any widespread risk. One guy in a thousand who lost his house isn't widespread. If there aren't any alarming facts or figures, then you can essentially say that the detrimental effects on society are miniscule, especially compared to other legal things like alcohol or tobacco.

[Luke]

I would you can gamble in Nevada and New Jersey and this is the land that the everyone is suppose to be treated equal why is it that only people in those two states are able to gamble? Shouldnt everyone be treated equally and be allowed to gamble if they choose so?

[MMA_scientist]

I would take a progned approach:

I. The argument from practicality: everyone does it anyway, we might as well all benefit.
A. Benefit to players. Regulation. We would not have to just hope the book decides to pay, the government would oversee if they operated in the U.C. legally. They would also regulate the chance games and make sure we are not being cheated.
B. Benefit to non-players. Taxes. There are billions of dollars in untaxed money flowing through the onlne casinos. Players would be taxed on their winnings, casinos would be taxed on thier profits. It would be billions of dollars in taxes to improve the quality of life for everyone. This is the same reason many states have allowed riverboats or other gaming operations.


II. The Argument from Freedom.
A. Personal recreation decision.
B. This is America, use X's argument.

III. The Argument from Logic
A. It is completely arbitrary. Horse racing, state lotteries, raffles, and land based casinos are all legal. What is the difference?
B. Counterpoint: I don't think there is one.

Which brings us to

IV. The argument from conspiracy. The mob controls Congress. (this is a joke, don't use this one).


Address the only counter-argument which is "moral decay" and it is "addictive"... Shoot down the counterpoints. The end. A+ good job.

[MMA_scientist]

I would you can gamble in Nevada and New Jersey and this is the land that the everyone is suppose to be treated equal why is it that only people in those two states are able to gamble? Shouldnt everyone be treated equally and be allowed to gamble if they choose so?

Because of State's rights, just sayin.

I have a riverboat right down the street from me.

[SPX]

Re: Nevada and New Jersey, I'd be tempted to say that both places are gambling meccas, and they also are fully functioning states that haven't been brought under by gambling, but the truth is that outside of the glitz and glamour of the casino areas, both Vegas and Atlantic City are really pretty shitty. Or at least that's what I've heard.

[Luke]

Re: Nevada and New Jersey, I'd be tempted to say that both places are gambling meccas, and they also are fully functioning states that haven't been brought under by gambling, but the truth is that outside of the glitz and glamour of the casino areas, both Vegas and Atlantic City are really pretty shitty. Or at least that's what I've heard.


Vegas is pretty crappy, off the strip. At night I wouldnt even go a block off the strip .I did once and ran in to a bunch of drunks and crackheads

[poopoo333]

I am required to have established sources to back up some claims, and I think I am going to cite you guys for the lolz. I am gonna be like "According to (whatever SPX goes by in his magazines) of InvestWithSports.com blah blah blah". And "According to one of the most highly proclaimed lawyers in the state of Indiana, (I guess I should come up with a name other then MMA Scientist), blah blah blah blah"

[SPX]

Ha ha ha. You should totally do that shit.

[poopoo333]

Ha ha ha. You should totally do that shit.

I will. What is your name for your articles and stuff again?

[Vandelay]

I would take a progned approach:

I. The argument from practicality: everyone does it anyway, we might as well all benefit.
A. Benefit to players. Regulation. We would not have to just hope the book decides to pay, the government would oversee if they operated in the U.C. legally. They would also regulate the chance games and make sure we are not being cheated.
B. Benefit to non-players. Taxes. There are billions of dollars in untaxed money flowing through the onlne casinos. Players would be taxed on their winnings, casinos would be taxed on thier profits. It would be billions of dollars in taxes to improve the quality of life for everyone. This is the same reason many states have allowed riverboats or other gaming operations.


II. The Argument from Freedom.
A. Personal recreation decision.
B. This is America, use X's argument.

III. The Argument from Logic
A. It is completely arbitrary. Horse racing, state lotteries, raffles, and land based casinos are all legal. What is the difference?
B. Counterpoint: I don't think there is one.

Which brings us to

IV. The argument from conspiracy. The mob controls Congress. (this is a joke, don't use this one).


Address the only counter-argument which is "moral decay" and it is "addictive"... Shoot down the counterpoints. The end. A+ good job.

With regards to your first point "everyone does it anyway, we might as well all benefit"

I'm not sure if that's a valid argument because A. not everyone does it. I actually think less than 25 percent of people gamble. B. That sounds similar to the argument that potheads make when they try and argue that weed should be legalized.

[SPX]

I will. What is your name for your articles and stuff again?

The incomparable Soren Patrick Xavier.

[poopoo333]

Now I just have to make sure I do not crack up when I cite you.

[SPX]

I actually think less than 25 percent of people gamble.

No doubt. I bet that even if there were casinos widely available in every state it would still be something like 1 in 8.


That sounds similar to the argument that potheads make when they try and argue that weed should be legalized.

Well, not everyone does anything, but a shitload of people do smoke pot (an estimated 50 million in the US, I think) with little to no negative impact on society as a whole.

[SPX]

Now I just have to make sure I do not crack up when I cite you.

You should cite me as "leading MMA journalist Soren Patrick Xavier."

[Luke]

You can cite me as "boxing analyst " if I could come up with anything smart to say on the subject.........which I probably wont cause I'm too lazy to think about it

[poopoo333]

Sure. Hey, can you link me or show me a copy of your gambling guide?

[SPX]

Sure. Hey, can you link me or show me a copy of your gambling guide?

I can send you a copy of the Word doc if you want to PM me an e-mail.

[poopoo333]

I can send you a copy of the Word doc if you want to PM me an e-mail.

jwongsuksm@yahoo.com

[Luke]

Sure. Hey, can you link me or show me a copy of your gambling guide?

you should have bought the magazine like he asked us to




X I wouldnt send him shit for not supporting you when you asked.............I for one have the guide

[SPX]

Is that supposed to read J. Wong Sucks Some?

[SPX]

X I wouldnt send him shit for not supporting you when you asked.............I for one have the guide

Yeah, because I mailed it to you.

[Luke]

jwongsuksm@yahoo.com


Jordan wong suk small is your email? I guess you forgot to add the word dick when making your email

[Luke]

Yeah, because I mailed it to you.


I paid for it

[SPX]

Sent.

[poopoo333]

I don't even know if I was here. I only remember him posting a link to his magazine online and I couldn't get it to work.

[SPX]

I paid for it

You did. I give you credit.

[poopoo333]

Thanks X.

[Luke]

I don't even know if I was here. I only remember him posting a link to his magazine online and I couldn't get it to work.


The magazine just came out last August LOL.............you were here

[poopoo333]

Err I kinda want my post deleted where I gave my email. I realized sideloaded might sign me up for like gay porn

[poopoo333]

The magazine just came out last August LOL.............you were here

Lol wow. I really don't even remember the thread. Then again last august I had no money on my prepaid debit card anyways because I didn't get my refund from school yet

[SPX]

Thanks X.

No problem. Do me a solid and let me know what you think when you read it.

[Luke]

Err I kinda want my post deleted where I gave my email. I realized sideloaded might sign me up for like gay porn



We cannot delete posts ::handshake::

[SPX]

We cannot delete posts ::handshake::

New policy.

[MMA_scientist]

With regards to your first point "everyone does it anyway, we might as well all benefit"

I'm not sure if that's a valid argument because A. not everyone does it. I actually think less than 25 percent of people gamble. B. That sounds similar to the argument that potheads make when they try and argue that weed should be legalized.

well I didn't mean "everyone" literally... more like "hey bro, everyone's doing it"

As for potheads... yeah, it is the same argument, and it is working for them. Pot is legal in several places, and lightly enforced in many others. I am not a pot advocate by any means, but I can see why it should be legalized (aside from my Libertarian view that most drugs should be legal) basically because of the incessant drumbeat of the pot advocates.

Anyway, it is just a persuasion speech, the arguments don't have to be airtight.

[poopoo333]

No problem. Do me a solid and let me know what you think when you read it.

I liked it. It seemed to cover everything and was easy to read. You should submit that to bloody elbow and be their gambling writer at each event

[SPX]

I liked it. It seemed to cover everything and was easy to read. You should submit that to bloody elbow and be their gambling writer at each event

Cool, thanks.

It's now the property of Beckett Media, but I would love to have a (paying) gig doing the write ups for a big website.

[poopoo333]

You should contact bloodyelbow. They have that fucking moron Jonathan Snowden, they'd probably give sideloaded a gig.

[SPX]

Maybe I will do that. Thanks for the heads up.

[poopoo333]

You know who has a cool fucking job? Ariel Helwani.

[SPX]

You know who has a cool fucking job? Ariel Helwani.

He does. I guess he's like the pinnacle of the MMA journalist and what we all aspire to.

[Svino]

He does. I guess he's like the pinnacle of the MMA journalist and what we all aspire to.

You can aim higher than that.

[SPX]

You can aim higher than that.

Why do you say that?

[Svino]

Why do you say that?

Well, I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but he kind of seems like an "empty microphone". I don't think I've ever seen him do anything other than toss out light generic sports-interview questions. He's about the furthest thing from what one might call a "hard-hitting" journalist.

There's a reason he was the go-to guy for Dana White's Strikeforce-merger interview. Dana knew he could be relied on to stick to the script and not rock the boat.

[SPX]

Well, I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but he kind of seems like an "empty microphone". I don't think I've ever seen him do anything other than toss out light generic sports-interview questions. He's about the furthest thing from what one might call a "hard-hitting" journalist.

There's a reason he was the go-to guy for Dana White's Strikeforce-merger interview. Dana knew he could be relied on to stick to the script and not rock the boat.

That's an interesting observation.

One thing I've learned in the brief time that I've been in this industry is that you have to walk a fine line between questions that address controversial issues and keeping your sources in a mindset to where they'll actually talk to you. A lot of people will get pissed off if you ask hard questions, like you violated their trust or something. And even if you get an answer from them right then and there, getting an interview in the future might be impossible.

I've talked to a few people that I would consider fairly high profile, like Gray Maynard and Miesha Tate, and I can tell you that they really kind of trip up if you ask them some hard questions. That's not to say that you shouldn't, but there's an art, an art I'm still figuring out.

So sometimes you really have to be kind of tactful.

[Luke]

Well, I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but he kind of seems like an "empty microphone". I don't think I've ever seen him do anything other than toss out light generic sports-interview questions. He's about the furthest thing from what one might call a "hard-hitting" journalist.

There's a reason he was the go-to guy for Dana White's Strikeforce-merger interview. Dana knew he could be relied on to stick to the script and not rock the boat.

100% agree Ariel Helwani isnt a good journalist imo he spends all his time sucking up to Dana so he can get the best stories.

When has anyone ever seen him press questions or ask anything remotely hard in an interview ?

[Luke]

Everyones getting there money back




Federal prosecutors in Manhattan may have declared war against the world’s biggest online poker companies, but the two sides are working together to return funds belonging to U.S. players.
Under an agreement announced today, the government will allow PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker to use their web sites to facilitate the withdrawal of U.S. players’ funds held in accounts with the companies. The five-page domain-name use agreements with PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker will also let the poker companies continue to use their domain names to offer for-money online poker games to players outside the U.S. In return the world’s two biggest online poker companies have agreed not to facilitate for-money poker games for U.S. players and to let an independent monitor verify their compliance with the deal


http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/pokerdomainnameuseagreementspr.pdf

[SPX]

Interesting.

The government actually did something decent for once.

And with that, I'm officially not worried about keeping my money deposited.

[Luke]

Interesting.

The government actually did something decent for once.

And with that, I'm officially not worried about keeping my money deposited.

Me either .Even if they shut the sites down we'll get our money back we just wont be able to gamble anymore

[zY|]

Good news. Provided they actually have it all.