Bellator 42

[MMA_scientist]

trying to keep the Bellator win streak alive. This is the only fight this week again...

Card:
Cole Konrad vs. Paul Buentello

Bellator Light Heavyweight Tournament Semifinals
Richard Hale vs. D.J. Linderman
Tim Carpenter vs. Christian M'Pumbu

Ronnie Mann vs. Josh Arocho


Konrad is definitely going to beat Buentello. Any guesses on the line? I think about -700.

I would like to parlay Konrad with someone, but I don't know much about these 205ers. The only one I was familiar with was Fekete, and he lost last round to Hale via inverted triangle choke.

I guess I could throw Konrad in with GSP or Machida or Aldo (or allof them!). No, but I really don't see Konrad losing here.

[Thewisemann]

At what line would you bet Konrad straight?

[MMA_scientist]

I try not to ever go over -400 or so. It is not a frim rule, but I try to stick to it. If I can't find anything, I will do Konrad + some props for UFC 130.

[SPX]

Konrad is still green as hell and Buentello is veteran who still has skills. There's no way in hell I'd bet Konrad at anything over -150. Fuck that shit.

[Mr. IWS]

Konrad is still green as hell and Buentello is veteran who still has skills. There's no way in hell I'd bet Konrad at anything over -150. Fuck that shit.

Srs?

I think he will be around -700 like Scientist said, but If I could get him at like -250 or some shit like that, I would be all over that. Buentello was getting grapplefucked by Kongo, I dont see how it will be any easier against Konrad.

[MMA_scientist]

Konrad is still green as hell and Buentello is veteran who still has skills. There's no way in hell I'd bet Konrad at anything over -150. Fuck that shit.

srsly?

Well, he is going to be more than that. At least -300 IMO, probably more like -500. So I assume you will be on Buentello at +200 or better?

[edman5555]

Buentello was pushed around by big fat Tim Sylvia too. Konrad is like a big fat Sylvia but with wrestling skill, he should be able to do the job. Maybe even a submission win.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I think Konrad will stop him as well, either by bear paw strikes or submission. Konrad is huge and very strong... don't let his titties fool you. He is the 2nd best wrestler at HW in MMA (Cormier is #1 IMO).

[SPX]

I just see Konrad as a guy who is NOT a mixed martial artist--he is a one-trick pony--and while he's good at the one thing he's good at, he's eventually going to run up against someone who actually is a decent fighter and he's going to lose. And after he loses, he probably won't win very much after that, unless he goes back to fighting dudes no one's ever heard of.

[SPX]

^^ I think Konrad will stop him as well, either by bear paw strikes or submission. Konrad is huge and very strong... don't let his titties fool you. He is the 2nd best wrestler at HW in MMA (Cormier is #1 IMO).

From what I've seen, Brock would push his shit in hardcore.

[MMA_scientist]

^ Probably in MMA. Brock looks like he hits a lot harder and he would probably wear Cole down and beat him with cardio. But I don't think Brock could take him down... Konrad is a 2x champion and he also defeated Steve Mocco, the HW olympian in 2008. That said, I agree he is a one trick pony, i just disagree that this is a bad thing. I mean it is one thing if your oen trick is wrestling and you aren't that good at it, but that isn't Konrad. Also, being a HW, the submission and sweep threat is a lot lower... so his one trick is even more potent.

[SPX]

Konrad sucks!

[MMA_scientist]

Konrad sucks!

Fine, you win. I stand before your logic and argumentative prowess as helpless child...

[Ludo]

Cheick Kongo. That is all.

[SPX]

What does that even mean, though? Kongo's a good fighter. Much better than fucking Cole Konrad.

Nigga all running around spelling his name with a K like he's out of Mortal Kombat or something.

[Thewisemann]

if kongo can outwrestling him, Konrad is taking him down with ease. easy win for him IMO

[edman5555]

^^ This.

[SPX]

Sigh. Konrad will probably win. But that doesn't mean he deserves to.

[MMA_scientist]

Sigh. Konrad will probably win. But that doesn't mean he deserves to.

Do you just hate him because he is fat? Why doesn't he deserve to win. Buentello is just as one dimensional as Konrad, and he has had a decade to fix it, but he just hasn't. You should hate Buentello for being lazy and also fat, though not as fat as Konrad. So I understand if you rage is all directed at Konrad's use of the letter K and his breasticles.

[SPX]

Do you just hate him because he is fat? Why doesn't he deserve to win. Buentello is just as one dimensional as Konrad, and he has had a decade to fix it, but he just hasn't. You should hate Buentello for being lazy and also fat, though not as fat as Konrad. So I understand if you rage is all directed at Konrad's use of the letter K and his breasticles.

1. He's fat. And not just fat in a charming way, like Nelson almost pulls off, but fat in a God-forgot-me way when he looks like something went wrong in the laboratory.

2. He's incredibly boring to watch. I honestly don't even see how he's getting guys down. He doesn't seem particularly fast or agile. He also has no striking. And he's the very definition of LnP.

[MMA_scientist]

1. He's fat. And not just fat in a charming way, like Nelson almost pulls off, but fat in a God-forgot-me way when he looks like something went wrong in the laboratory.

2. He's incredibly boring to watch. I honestly don't even see how he's getting guys down. He doesn't seem particularly fast or agile. He also has no striking. And he's the very definition of LnP.

1. I am the opposite, I pretty much always cheer for fat guys, just because they are fat. I like how they don't give a shit what they are supposed to look like and just do it. Roy Nelson doesn't almost pull it off, he pulls it off entirely

2. He is boring, no argument there. I hate him for his style of trying to win decisions as well... I just wondered if your hate was all because of his fatness or if there was something else.

[SPX]

1. I am the opposite, I pretty much always cheer for fat guys, just because they are fat. I like how they don't give a shit what they are supposed to look like and just do it. Roy Nelson doesn't almost pull it off, he pulls it off entirely

The one "charmingly fat" dude that I can think of right now, that I would actually cheer for, would be Jonathan Ivey. Not only is he a perennial underdog, but he's also funny as hell and keeps shit interesting by doing somersaults and the People's Elbow.


2. He is boring, no argument there. I hate him for his style of trying to win decisions as well... I just wondered if your hate was all because of his fatness or if there was something else.

That's what I'm saying, he sucks.

[edman5555]

He is boring as shit to watch though he did sub some guys didn't he? I could see him pulling that off down the road. He is so big and such a good wrestler + always in a dominant position where he could sub someone. That ='s sub to me, plus he never tries to strike. I disagree about his one trick, it could take him pretty far. It worked wonders for Jake shields.

[MMA_scientist]

^ agreed. I think he could go pretty far, and I think he would beat the vast majority of UFC HWs.

Shields has two tricks though, wrestling and jj. So far, Konrad hasn't shown too much on the ground other than an incredibly solid base. But Brock became the #1 HW in the world with just one trick as well. There are plenty of guys that do well with just one dimension, and I happen to think it is easier as a HW.

[poopoo333]

lol X, Konrad is going to dominate. You can get your boytoy Buentello @+400 probably.

[SPX]

But Brock became the #1 HW in the world with just one trick as well. There are plenty of guys that do well with just one dimension, and I happen to think it is easier as a HW.

Brock is actually an adequate striker, though. Can he outstrike someone like Cain or JDS? Obviously not. But he's far more well-rounded than Konrad.

Oh, and he also subbed Carwin.

[SPX]

lol X, Konrad is going to dominate. You can get your boytoy Buentello @+400 probably.

I'd drop $5 on him at +400.

[Mr. IWS]

Oh, and he also subbed Carwin.

That fight would have been different, had they been in the 5th round, because that is Carwins best round.

[SPX]

That fight would have been different, had they been in the 5th round, because that is Carwins best round.

It's true. It's too bad rounds 2,3,4 are his worst.

[Mr. IWS]

It's true. It's too bad rounds 2,3,4 are his worst.

LOL

[Luke]

That fight would have been different, had they been in the 5th round, because that is Carwins best round.


It's true. It's too bad rounds 2,3,4 are his worst.

::lmao:: and ::lmao::

[poopoo333]

Buentello out of Bellator 42 headliner, Mann vs. Arocho takes main-card spot (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23294/buentello-out-of-bellator-42-headliner-mann-vs-arocho-takes-main-card-spot.mma)

[SPX]

Hmm, that sucks, kind of.

[MMA_scientist]

Wow, that definitely sucks. It sucks even harder that this is the replacement fight... probably teh worst top to bottom card Bellator has put on in the last few seasons. There isn't single fight I care about now.

[poopoo333]

Yeah this card fucking sucks, I hate the LHWs in Bellator because they all chomp on cock

[Mr. IWS]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKK KKKKKKK

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/385.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Vandelay]

I like Hale. Solid hands and competent on the ground. Linderman might be able to hold him down for 3 rounds.

[poopoo333]

I might bet Carpenter if his line creeps down a little. He seems to be the better grappler and bigger guy. Mpumbu is more than likely the better striker though, but he walks around at like 200 lbs or even under..he weighed in at 201 yesterday (at night, so that is probably after a days worth of food/drink so he is probably a natural middleweight for sure walking around in the 190s. The only thing that worries me is Carpenter has a suspect gas tank, although when he looked tired against Gracie he kept going for subs. Mpumbu was being controlled on the ground by Chris Davis as well before he got the TKO, but Davis gassed hard and his shot went to shit in the 3rd round IIRC.

[zY|]

Haven't heard of a single fighter on this card.

[SPX]

Isn't this shit coming on right now? Anyone got a stream?

[poopoo333]

Lol

[SPX]

What the fuck, faggot?

Seriously, I need a fucking stream.

[poopoo333]

Reported.

[SPX]

Okay, so no one's got a stream. Sweet. I guess I'll just watch something else. Thanks.

[poopoo333]

Has there eer been one since bellator has been on mtv?

[SPX]

There's ALWAYS one, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Ludo]

http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/28940/1/bellator-fighting-championships-42.html

Here you whiney bitch.

[poopoo333]

^ there is your stream you whiney fuck

[Ludo]

Has there eer been one since bellator has been on mtv?

It's hard to really judge it since they've been going head to head with alot of shit except for last week.

[SPX]

Now that's how it's done.

Thanks, Ludo.

[Luke]

stream?

[Luke]

Oh wait I have MTV nrvmind

[SPX]

Don't throw your money in my face, Luke.

[SPX]

Warren going to 135? Isn't he the champ at 145?

That's a weird move.

[Luke]

Don't throw your money in my face, Luke.

would you rather me throw my ..........

[Luke]

So whats happened? What did I miss did anybody win anything yet?

[SPX]

You missed a nice knockout from Christian Mpumbu.

[Luke]

You missed a nice knockout from Christian Mpumbu.

of course.....I always miss the good shit. I forgot this was on tonight

[poopoo333]

I might bet Carpenter if his line creeps down a little. He seems to be the better grappler and bigger guy. Mpumbu is more than likely the better striker though, but he walks around at like 200 lbs or even under..he weighed in at 201 yesterday (at night, so that is probably after a days worth of food/drink so he is probably a natural middleweight for sure walking around in the 190s. The only thing that worries me is Carpenter has a suspect gas tank, although when he looked tired against Gracie he kept going for subs. Mpumbu was being controlled on the ground by Chris Davis as well before he got the TKO, but Davis gassed hard and his shot went to shit in the 3rd round IIRC.

I just got home, and I thought this was the main event and planned on betting Carpenter...I get home and I see he already got KOd. Good thing I was out

[Ludo]

I think Warren wanting to go down has something to do with the absolutely rape-and-pillage job Pitbull has been pulling on the tournament. Had it not been for Patricio gassing in the first fight he may have beaten Warren and in reality he almost did anyway. Warren may be getting the feeling his days are numbered here and wants to get out of dodge before his comeuppance.

[SPX]

I was thinking the same thing. Pretty much everyone thinks he lost his last fight anyway.

[poopoo333]

Warren still has to defend his belt against the winner of the tournament. He just wants to be the 135 and 145 lb champ.

[poopoo333]

I kept the IWS Bellator streak going yayyy

[Luke]

I kept the IWS Bellator streak going yayyy

so you won in bellator? Nice job poopoo

[poopoo333]

Yeah I didn't bet much though