Bellator 43

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD


Rick Hawn vs. Jay Hieron (welterweight tourney final)
Bryan Baker vs. Joe Riggs
Neil Grove vs. Zak Jensen
Chase Beebe vs. Jose Vega

PRELIMINARY CARD


Joey Gorczynski vs. Tyler Stinson
Dustin Blake vs. Cole Province
Josh Barnes vs. Ron Sparks
Michael Osborn vs. Mike Schatz

[poopoo333]

Baker and Grove stick out to me right now

[SPX]

I'll bet Hawn if he's a big enough dog.

[Ludo]

Does anyone actually think Sparks' opponent is going to fight him?

[SPX]

I don't get it.

What's the deal with Sparks?

[Svino]

Sparks is a beast.

[SPX]

Okay, but he's just so bad ass that no one will show up to fight him?

[Svino]

Okay, but he's just so bad ass that no one will show up to fight him?

Supposedly, it's happened before. More than once.

[MMA_scientist]

Zak Jensen is the guy from TUF that Kimbo kept calling Linderman... That should be easy for Grove.

[Ludo]

Actually it was Wes Simms who called him Linderman. But yeah, Jensen kind of blows.

[MMA_scientist]

Whatever... it was the fat guy that everyone bullied. He sucks. That's my point.

[Ludo]

Yeah I think Grove knocks his ass out.

[edman5555]

neil grove is kinda beasty

[poopoo333]

Grove -400? I hope not

[MMA_scientist]

^ that's my guess, at least...

[SPX]

I thought Grove looked pretty shitty before he got to Bellator. He was winning fights, but his technique was sloppy as hell, his cardio sucked, and he was having 5 round wars with fat guys who also had shitty technique and cardio.

Then he got to Bellator and wrecked some motherfuckers, like Eddie Sanchez, costing me money.

[MMA_scientist]

What do you guys think about Vega vs. Beebe?

I think it will be competitive by in the end, I think Beebe is just a level up from him. His top control and power are going to be too much IMO. But I just don't know that I want to bet on it... Vega is scrappy and put up a very good fight against West.

[poopoo333]

I think it will be a close fight based on memories of their past fights but I haven't looked at it too much yet. The fighters I want to bet on are Grove and maybe Baker

[MMA_scientist]

I considered Baker, but I am not convinced that he can beat Riggs. Riggs is hot and cold, but if he is on I think he would beat Baker. The other thing is that the one time I bet Baker, he screwed me. He decided to go out and trade with Schlemenko when he could have easily won by just getting the takedowns... Anyway, I think Riggs can beat him standing and I don't know that Baker can get it down. It really depends if motivated Riggs shows up or paycheck Riggs shows up.

[MMA_scientist]

I am looking at Grove if his line is not too crazy and maybe Hawn or Beebe, depending on where the lines come in. I am guessing Hawn will be +120 or so and Beebe will be -170 or so...

[Mr. IWS]

Thoughs on Heiron/Hawn? I kinda like Heiron here.

[poopoo333]

I haven't looked at it yet but I am guessing Hieron will want to just strike with Hawn and avoid getting into the situations Good did.

Well IWS, whatever we do, we have to all win on this card to keep the IWS perfect Bellator streak going.

[MMA_scientist]

I think both guys will have trouble getting the other one down consistently. It will be another close fight IMO probably decided by strikes and one or two takedowns, just like the Good fight. There is really no clear path to victory for either man IMO...

[SPX]

What the fuck's taking so long on these lines?

[edman5555]

I think both guys will have trouble getting the other one down consistently. It will be another close fight IMO probably decided by strikes and one or two takedowns, just like the Good fight. There is really no clear path to victory for either man IMO...

Hawn has the power advantage but Hieron might have the reach advantage. According to wiki Hieron is 6' and Hawk is 5'9''. I don't know if that translates to a reach advantage though. Is it a title fight or 3 rounder?

[poopoo333]

3 rounds

[poopoo333]

I really hope they post lines up for this shit

[poopoo333]

Neil Grove out of Bellator 43 fight with Zak Jensen, fight canceled


http://mmadiehards.com/features/neil-grove-out-of-bellator-43-fight-with-zak-jensen-fight-canceled/

[SPX]

Damn, that sucks.

[MMA_scientist]

Bellator is slacking. They just don't have enough fighters that are draws. They have a roster of about 8 guys that anyone cares about... I fully support Bellator because I think the tournament format is a more pure gauge of ability and I like giving guys a shot to make their own destiny... but they need to pick up a couple more fighters in the heavier weight classes (over WW)

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/391.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[MMA_scientist]

Hawn, Riggs, and Vega all have value IMO.

I don't know Blake... I am going to have to look at that one.

[poopoo333]

I just looked him up real quick and noticed he hasn't fought since 2009

[Mr. IWS]

1/32 of a unit on Blake

[MMA_scientist]

It looks like a gimme fight for Province. I watched a couple vids and read about Blake where he trains. He looks like mostly a bjj guy... Province is a wrestler and he beat world bjj champion Paxiao (he was on roids so it got overturned)... he lost to Nunes and MTB- but those are top of the world level guys.

[poopoo333]

It looks like a gimme fight for Province. I watched a couple vids and read about Blake where he trains. He looks like mostly a bjj guy... Province is a wrestler and he beat world bjj champion Paxiao (he was on roids so it got overturned)... he lost to Nunes and MTB- but those are top of the world level guys.

yay or nay?

http://www.nickkyme.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/bad-boys.jpg

[MMA_scientist]

^ probably... but I am still looking at the other fights. I think I might put something on Riggs and/or Hawn... I don't know what I am going to do.

Anyone else look at Beebe/Vega?

[MMA_scientist]

Thinking about a WEC parlay on Beebe/Province... and then a bet on either Hawn or Riggs.

Input. I need some.

[poopoo333]

I bet Vega @+300. I think it will be a close fight. Beebe is overrated. Since 2008 he has lost to all significant fighters and beat the "cans".

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I think Vega will give him a fight as well... just reaching. I think yes on Province. Blake has some My Thai fights I found as well though, but he got whupped pretty bad in 30 seconds in the one I found (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgIssNbFTHM). But Province is going to put him on his back so it is not going to matter.

[MMA_scientist]

I can't find any video of Blake losing (his most recent fight is a loss), but he goes for the takdown in every fight I can find... his ground game doesn't look bad, but he doesn't have a lot of power and his guard is not super slick (at least it wasn't in 2008). I don't know... unless Province has just given up on life, it should be a mismatch.

[SPX]

Well fuck. I was hoping Hawn's line was going to get better but it looks like its on its way down.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I am waiting for 5d to open it. I should have jumped at +170. I think it is close to even, maybe slight edge to Hieron.

[MMA_scientist]

Well so much for that. It is worse on 5d- down to -130.

[MMA_scientist]

3.25u on Province to win 1u

[MMA_scientist]

I really screwed up on Hawn. I almost made the bet @ +170... he is +105 now.

[edman5555]

Oh well maybe Hawn will lose and you will feel great about it.

[edman5555]

I am impressed with Hawn, I just don't know shit about Hieron. I know his stats/background but I don't think I have ever seen a fight of his. Hawn at +170 was pretty good though

[SPX]

^^^ You should go back and watch him get annihilated by GSP, back when Georges was still climbing the ranks and finishing people.

[Mr. IWS]

^^^ You should go back and watch him get annihilated by GSP, back when Georges was still climbing the ranks and finishing people.

That was the first time I saw him. they put that fight on after the event (it was on the undercard) That was fuckin vicious.

[SPX]

It was only his second fight in the UFC and his 7th fight in his career. How things have changed. . .

[MMA_scientist]

FYI, it looks like the Province and Stinson fights got cancelled.

Bellator fail.

[Ludo]

Link?

[edman5555]

well there goes part of my parlay.

[edman5555]

Hawn is up to +150 on 5dimes.

[SPX]

Link?

Seconded. Anyone have one?

[poopoo333]

Hawn is up to +150 on 5dimes.

I think I will bet this

[SPX]

Stream:

http://www.justin.tv/puresports#/w/1176360176

[MMA_scientist]

I should have bet Vega.

[Ludo]

It's down. Anyone else?

[SPX]

Stream down.

Anyone got another?

[poopoo333]

I should have bet Vega.

Is he winning? I am not home.

[SPX]

That was fucking fast. They shut that shit down almost immediately. I guess justin.tv is just too obvious these days.

[MMA_scientist]

Is he winning? I am not home.

Yeah, it just started, but Vega appears to be the better wrestler.

[edman5555]

So Scientist have you seen a lot of Hieron/Hawn footage?

[edman5555]

I am thinking about doing a UD Pacman/Hawn parlay for 1u. I already have .25u on that.

[SPX]

I should have bet Vega.

Oh yeah?

[MMA_scientist]

So Scientist have you seen a lot of Hieron/Hawn footage?

As much as any other fight I bet. I don't have a winner for you in that fight though, I think it is really close... I think they will spend a lot of time clinched and it will go to a decision.

[MMA_scientist]

Oh yeah?

Well at least my parlay is still alive (even though is only 3 fights now)

[edman5555]

I have .5u on HAwn/PAcman UD to win almost 4u or so. I really wanted to bet Evander Holyfield inside the distance but they took the damn prop down before I could get it. It was at -160. He tko'd his opponent in round 10 a little while ago.

[SPX]

So does just no one have a fucking stream or what?

[MMA_scientist]

I don't think anyone has looked. I have the channel... I wouldn't even know where to look for a stream

[poopoo333]

Mtv2

[SPX]

I know that if no one had the channel then someone would've found some shit by now.

So stop being selfish and find some shit. (Not necessarily you, Scientist. But whoever.)

[SPX]

Mtv2

You see, this isn't funny when you know it's not an option for me and when I don't get to watch the shit without a working stream.

[poopoo333]

I apologize from the bottom of my heart, SPX. I was out of line.

[SPX]

Well I accept your apology, PP.

I guess I'm just not going to get to watch Bellator this week.

I guess I'll watch Tokyo Drift, instead.

[zY|]

Fuck everything about Saturday night Bellator on MTV2.

[poopoo333]

Hey does anybody have a stream for this?

[Luke]

Link anyone?

[edman5555]

last round was a clear Hawn round. I missed the first two. PBP gave R1 heiron and r2 was split between sherdoggers.

[MMA_scientist]

Sorry guys. Split decision for Hieron.

I thought Hawn won, but it was razor thin...

[poopoo333]

gay

[SPX]

Fucking gay. 100% not straight.

[Thewisemann]

Did province not fight or something?

[High5]

Did province not fight or something?

Cancelled!

[Thewisemann]

What happened?

[High5]

What happened?

I don't know?