Bellator 44

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD


Champ Hector Lombard vs. Falaniko Vitale (non-title fight)
Michael Chandler vs. Patricky "Pitbull" Freire (lightweight tourney final)
Dan Hornbuckle vs. TBA*
Brett Cooper vs. Alexander Shlemenko

PRELIMINARY CARD


Giedrius Karavackas vs. Sam Oropeza
Jeff Lentz vs. Anthony Leone
Bryan Goldsby vs. Anthony Morrison
Azunna Anyanwu vs. Randy Smith
Armand Mrkanovic vs. Jay Silva

[poopoo333]

I am thinking about going all in on TBA*.

[MMA_scientist]

I am not going to be around to carry y'all on this card. I will be out of town from Tuesday on...

Friere/Chandler could go either way. My feeling is that Freire will blast him out at some point. But Chandler could definitely pull a Joe Warren special. I think Friere will be about -140 and I will consider that... I won't pay more than that though.

Lombard is going to win, but Vitale is at least a credible opponent. I will look at a parlay with Lombard ad someone else.

Cooper/Schlemenko- I lost enough money betting against Schlemenko (2 separate 5u bets last year). I don't know he keeps winning, but he does. He will be the favorite here, but I am not going to bet him. Nor am I going to lose money by betting yet another grappler to beat him. I lost on Hess last year when his knee went out, and then I lost on Baker when Baker decided to try to strike with him for some reason. If Cooper comes in to grappler, he can get it done... but Schlemenko is obviously magic, so I am staying far away from this.

Last I heard, Hornbuckle was fighting Lyman Good. That is a close fight, IMO. Good could probably win with takedowns, but Hornbuckle has reach on him standing.

We will probably get a line for a couple of those undercard fights too, Jay Silva and Anthony Leone.

Anyway, I will look at Friere (or Chandler as a dog), and Lombard.

[poopoo333]

I will bet Chandler as a dog. How are you gonna make bets if you won't be here after Tuesday?

[MMA_scientist]

from my hotel. I will be able to log on for a second, I might even post my plays... but not going to be around to shoot the breeze.

I think Chandler is a good dog bet, I might even bet it myself depending on the line. But Friere is going to win.

[Luke]

Last I heard, Hornbuckle was fighting Lyman Good. That is a close fight, IMO. Good could probably win with takedowns, but Hornbuckle has reach on him standing.

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Lyman Good is out of that fight with an injury

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/383.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Thewisemann]

Freire .23u to win .2u

[SPX]

Why even bother to bet?

[poopoo333]

Why even bother to bet?

He is using a 5u bankroll.

[High5]

He is using a 5u bankroll.

And his units are 100$.

[High5]

Patricky 2.6u to win 2u.

[Thewisemann]

Im betting cuz I need my fucking fix.

[poopoo333]

Im betting cuz I need my fucking fix.

lmao, true that.

[edman5555]

I am interested in Patricky but I will have to do a little more research. I'd like to know what his BJJ credentials are. I know he is a black belt but I don't know what level. Also I would like to know about Chandlers BJJ. Is he decent? I don't want to lose a lay and pray bet. I will poke around.

[SPX]

He is using a 5u bankroll.


And his units are 100$.

Why not drop the unit size then?

I guess it's all semantics in any case when you really think about it. 5 $100 units and 50 $10 units are the same thing at the end of the day.

[poopoo333]

Who cares, he is making a small bet because he needs his fix.

[poopoo333]

0.51u to win 0.1u on Hector Lombard

[SPX]

Who cares, he is making a small bet because he needs his fix.

Well it's not really that small. If he adjusted his bankroll to 50u, then it would be a 2.3u bet.

[poopoo333]

Well it's not really that small. If he adjusted his bankroll to 50u, then it would be a 2.3u bet.

I am pretty sure he withdrew a bunch of money and now has 5u left. He didn't condense all of his money into 5u

[SPX]

Oh, okay.

[SPX]

Anyone have thoughts on Goldsby/Morrison? I see Goldsby is like 13-13. Morrison is no world beater at 15-9, but at least two of those losses were to Mike Brown and Chad Mendes during his brief stay in the WEC.

Neither guy has really beat anyone of note, though Goldsby does have a win over Jeff Curran, which I guess still means something.

[trotterz]

I am interested in Patricky but I will have to do a little more research. I'd like to know what his BJJ credentials are. I know he is a black belt but I don't know what level. Also I would like to know about Chandlers BJJ. Is he decent? I don't want to lose a lay and pray bet. I will poke around.

I can tell you right now that this is going to be Chandler's match plan

[poopoo333]

Pitbull stoppage in round 1 or Chandler by decision is my prediction(s)

[trotterz]

Pitbull stoppage in round 1 or Chandler by decision is my prediction(s)

Well Pitbull will have a chance at the beginning of every round since each one of them is starting on stand up.
Chandler will probably try to get the takedown, and play it safe from there, whitout tryning to commit to much to not get catch in a submission since Freire's bjj is better than is. + we don't know how good will be freire's tdd

IMO this fight is 50/50, I won't be putting any money on it

[poopoo333]

I got 1u on Chandler at even money. Pitbull was noticeably tired imo from the Razor Rob fight after the 1st round of grappling. Chandler is going to force the grappling, and if he is able to make Pitbull work for that 1st round there is a chance Pitbull will slow down and Chandler will be able to take over. That's how I see it

[Thewisemann]

ill clear this up, i had about 45 or 46u in my bankroll, i cashed out 37u. I already had .9u on Stann and 3.22u on Overeem. I have around 5u left.

[poopoo333]

Schlemenko just dropped all the way down to -155. weird

[poopoo333]

Schlemenko just dropped all the way down to -155. weird

Ok, I see why now. Schlemenko is probably going to be put on his back and lose a decision

[Luke]

stream?

[High5]

Damn, Freire is now +110!

[poopoo333]

Freire @+140. I am probably gonna hedge so I am guaranteed some money

[poopoo333]

The plug has been pulled on a Anthony Morrison (http://www.sherdog.com/events/BFC-Bellator-Fighting-Championships-44-16198%3EBellator%2044%3C/a%3E%20bantamweight%20tournament%20qualifier%20bet ween%20%3Ca%20href=) and Bryan Goldsby (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Bryan-Goldsby-20999), according to a source close to the event.

Morrison tipped the scales at 146.5 pounds at Friday's weigh-ins, coming in 11.5 pounds overweight for his bantamweight scrap against Bryan Goldsby (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Bryan-Goldsby-20999). Sherdog.com learned of the change to the card shortly after the weigh-ins concluded.

While details are scarce at the moment, the bout's cancellation was likely due to Morrison's failure to make weight and the resultant disparity between the two fighters. Though Morrison asserted that he would find a way to make the bantamweight limit after his first trip to the scale, it is unknown if the fighter made another attempt afterward.

[SPX]

Well . . . I guess I don't have to look at THAT fucking fight anymore.

[poopoo333]

Well . . . I guess I don't have to look at THAT fucking fight anymore.

Hard fight to cap anyways imo, both guys suck.

[SPX]

I really want to jump on Freire here, but something tells me Chandler wins.

Razor Rob was able to take Freire down, so Chandler certainly can. And Freire's cardio isn't the best.

[poopoo333]

Williamy friere was able to take pitbull down too and hold him for good periods of time

[SPX]

I just got done watching Chandler/Woodard.

Chandler showed he can go three rounds without dying of exhaustion, but he did noticeably slow down after the first. Also, Woodward had his back and a better jitz guy may have been able to sink in the RNC. Chandler also left himself open quite a bit in the striking exchanges and I could see someone like Patricky taking advantage of that and bashing his skull in.

Chandler came back pretty strong in the third, though.

I don't know. Hard fight to cap. I'm thinking Chandler-via-wrestling, but I just know if I bet it he'll either get KOd or subbed.

[SPX]

PP: Why Chandler?

Wiseman and High5: Why Freire?

[poopoo333]

PP: Why Chandler?

Wiseman and High5: Why Freire?


I got 1u on Chandler at even money. Pitbull was noticeably tired imo from the Razor Rob fight after the 1st round of grappling. Chandler is going to force the grappling, and if he is able to make Pitbull work for that 1st round there is a chance Pitbull will slow down and Chandler will be able to take over. That's how I see it


Also..Freire has never fought a good wrestler like Chandler, and I think if Williamy Freire was able to take Pitbull down and control him, Chandler has a shot.

Ignore me though, Friere will probably win in the 1st round

[SPX]

At even odds, I'd probably go Chandler, too. At the current line, it's probably either no play or half a unit on Freire.

By the way, I noticed you put something on Oropeza. Why? Just from what little information I could find, I was thinking Karavackas is probably worth a small play. I'd put something on him if my Bookmaker funds were all tied up and/or Bodog or Sportsbook would actually post a line.

[poopoo333]

I used MMA math because I just wanted to make a parlay with Lombard.

[edman5555]

bookmaker is now allowing parlays on MMA

[SPX]

Money coming in on Freire apparently. . .

[Luke]

bookmaker is now allowing parlays on MMA



good news ,thanks for the heads up

[SPX]

bookmaker is now allowing parlays on MMA

I can't do parlays for months because all my Bodog funds are tied up and Bookmaker doesn't offer them . . . then as soon as I have some money in Bodog again, Bookmaker starts doing parlays. That is my life.

[poopoo333]

Inb4spxragesovernostream

[SPX]

No, because you're going to find me one faggot.

[poopoo333]

Mtv2.



























But for real, I am not even home. Hopefully you find one so I can watch on my phone

[edman5555]

ha

[SPX]

I don't know what the fuck YOU'RE laughing at. It seems to me that last time you needed one, too.

[SPX]

LOL

Lombard just hit -1125.

[Vandelay]

http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/32249/1/bellator-fighting-championships-44-.html

bow down motherfuckers

[SPX]

Atta boy. Thanks!

[SPX]

I'm going to regret not betting on everyone who wins tonight.

[Vandelay]

Both guys seem like tough dudes. Lets see if cooper trys to get the fight down or not

[SPX]

Well Schlemenko's treating Cooper like a bitch so far. Looks like he was probably good for the line. . .

[Vandelay]

crazy pace.

[edman5555]

I figured Schlemmy would win.

[Vandelay]

close round. im sure the judges gave it to cooper.

[Vandelay]

This dude is fuckin crazy

[Vandelay]

Wow. props to those 2.

[Vandelay]

2 of 3 judges on sherdog gave rd 1 to cooper. wtf?

[edman5555]

i feel like dumping on Lombard but his line is too crazy. I wish I caught it at -510. I am also mad I pissed pitbulls +140 line. That would have been a worthwhile parlay.

[SPX]

Round 1 easily to the Russian, round 2 is probably Cooper's. Round 3 looked like it was going to Schlemenko, but I actually wouldn't be surprised if Cooper stole it. He was landing a lot more in the last couple of minutes.

[Vandelay]

Not sure where sherdog got there judges, but i thought rd 1 was close to a 10 8 for schlemenko. Not sure how they viewed that for cooper.

[edman5555]

well they probably gave cooper r2

[Vandelay]

sidenote, I saw orpeza live at fedor vs silva. dude is pretty damn good. I didn't recognize his name tho so didnt look at it at all.

[SPX]

Not sure where sherdog got there judges, but i thought rd 1 was close to a 10 8 for schlemenko. Not sure how they viewed that for cooper.

They're usually pretty good. I guess they went retarded for a moment.

[Vandelay]

Opreza's fans travel to jersey alot i guess. He had a loud ass cheering section for his strikeforce bout as well.

[Vandelay]

looked like mirgliatto waved it off

[SPX]

I was wondering about that.

[Vandelay]

I got it 1 rd a piece

[SPX]

If Karavackas somehow steals this I'm really going to be pissed that Bodog didn't put a line up because I wanted to bet on his ass.

[Vandelay]

well that was impresssive

[SPX]

Son of a bitch. That shit was insane.

[SPX]

Judo in this motherfucker.

[SPX]

So watch the fighter I was GOING to bet on win, and now the fighter I DID bet on lose.

[edman5555]

So watch the fighter I was GOING to bet on win, and now the fighter I DID bet on lose.

it happens

[SPX]

That shit is gay.

[SPX]

I Vitali wins and I passed up a successful bet at +625 I'll shoot myself.

[SPX]

How is Lombard only 5'9"? Dude looks huge.

[zY|]

That's why he looks huge because he's only 5'9". Dude is a silverback.

[SPX]

Now that I know he's that short and I'm looking for it I can tell. I had never noticed it before, though.

[Vandelay]

10 10 neither fighter did shit

[SPX]

Hector Lombard. . . -1125. . .

[edman5555]

vitali looks a lot better than I thought he would. Glad I didn't bet Lombard, even though he will probably win.

[zY|]

Wait this is going on now? Stream?

[Vandelay]

10 9 lombard...when did shane mosley pick up mma?

[SPX]

LOL

[SPX]

Wait this is going on now? Stream?

http://vipbox.tv/watch/32249/1/bellator-fighting-championships-44-.html

[Vandelay]

well. mayb he was right in being conservative

[SPX]

Damn, that knockout was weird. Nigga said "I'm still in this! . . . oh wait, no I'm not."

[zY|]

http://vipbox.tv/watch/32249/1/bellator-fighting-championships-44-.html

Thanks.

Just in time to see the win.

[Vandelay]

Chandler has impressed me with his heart and conditioning. I view the majority of this fight being played out on the mat and I think Chandler avoids the sub.

[SPX]

Is Chandler actually outstriking Freire?

[Vandelay]

uh. didnt think id say this but 10 9 chandler in a standup battle

[SPX]

Holy shit. Did Chandler actually do a flying side kick? That was crazy.

[Vandelay]

I think chandler takes that ne too

[SPX]

Well snap, 20-18 Chandler. Patricky should've stuck with punches.

[zY|]

Is this a 5 round fight?

[Vandelay]

son of a bitch chandler

[edman5555]

patricky could have taken r1 and with the ball shot point deduct he could win if he takes r3

[Vandelay]

overtime? cool

[SPX]

Isn't Patricky supposed to be some BJJ stud? I don't see it.

[edman5555]

he is dead tired

[Vandelay]

any chance chandler lost the first 2 rds? that third rd might be a 9 8

[SPX]

Can't win if I bet against Patricky . . . can't win if I bet on him.

[zY|]

Alvarez vs Chandler should be fun.

[SPX]

All right, fuck this. I'm off to watch wrestling.

[poopoo333]

lol, should have went with my instinct to go heavier on Chandler. Looks like I was right about Patricky gassing after being in a grappling match with Chandler.

[SPX]

I really thought Chandler was going to win, but goddamn Patricky has looked like a beast and Chandler is still pretty inexperienced.

[poopoo333]

^^Styles make fights bro bro. Just like 4-0 Chris Weidman dominated the more experienced Sakara. Just like 1-1 Brock Lesnar dominated the more experienced Herring. Just like the 9-0 Mr. Wonderful Phil Davis beat the more experienced Little Nog. Just like 9-0 Chad Mendes dominated the more experienced Omigawa.


Notice the trend in good wrestlers?

[SPX]

That's all true, but Scientist often has a point when it comes to betting against BJJ and supposedly Patricky is some kind of 7x BJJ champ.

Also, Woodard had Chandler's back and probably would've subbed him with more time.

[SPX]

Brock's a shitty example, BTW. I actually think that pro-wrestling prepares one somewhat for MMA in the sense that they are already used to performing under the pressure of thousands of fans and they know how to deal with pain.

[poopoo333]

That's all true, but Scientist often has a point when it comes to betting against BJJ and supposedly Patricky is some kind of 7x BJJ champ.

Also, Woodard had Chandler's back and probably would've subbed him with more time.

That 7x BJJ champ thing goes out the window when you are getting the shit beat out of you/are gassed.

And Woodard had Chandler's back because he wasn't undergoing cardiac arrest. After the first exchange in round 2 tonight, Freire may as well have had an oxygen tank in his corner. He had a near 5 minute break after that 3rd nut shot, and was still really tired afterwards.

[poopoo333]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZfyEy2cOtQI/Tc9D7TLwh1I/AAAAAAAAC0M/rme3unZrxHw/s1600/3.gif

[SPX]

That shit was awesome. I thought if I ever saw that move in MMA that it would be from some TKD or Karate guy, but no . . . it was Michael Chandler.

[poopoo333]

Brock's a shitty example, BTW. I actually think that pro-wrestling prepares one somewhat for MMA in the sense that they are already used to performing under the pressure of thousands of fans and they know how to deal with pain.

Oh.

[Ludo]

So much for Chandlers lay n pray gameplan. He straight up pounded the shit out of Pitbull on the ground in the third round. Some of those elbows were fucking brutal.

[Vandelay]

Chandler has a chin, heart, cardio, and skill. I think he's got a bright future. -250 line on alvarez is my guess.

[poopoo333]

Yeah I am on the Mike Chandler bandwagon. I hope he beats Alvarez.

[edman5555]

He has a shot. Alvarez will be a little more active on the feet than pat was. He doesnt have to wrory as much about being taken down. It could be a close fight though.

[Vandelay]

I felt as if Chandler was worrisome of the knees. Most times when he did shoot, it was from pretty far out. Alvarez wont be throwing knee's so it should be easier for him to mix everything up.