UFC 135 in Denver

[Luke]

Matt Hughes vs. Diego Sanchez expected for UFC 135 in Denver http://bit.ly/lSe1SC (http://bit.ly/lSe1SC)

[Vandelay]

K1 hughes vs a poor mans leonard garcia. Pass.

[edman5555]

wow I do not know who wins that. I think Hughes is more skilled but Diego might be a bad matchup for him. He presents a fast pace. Hughes has gotta be the better wrestler though, also bigger and stronger.

[poopoo333]

Jon Jones vs Rampage as well I think

[poopoo333]

Diego Sanchez -185, Hughes +155

[poopoo333]

1u on Hughes @+155

[Luke]

Diego Sanchez -185, Hughes +155

I expect Diego to win just on work rate alone but I was hoping for something closer to even on this fight

[poopoo333]

I think the line will drop, that's why I bet it. I am not too confident but I will arb out for some guaranteed profit if I can like I did with Munoz/Maia. If the line doesn't drop...then oh well, I still like Hughes @+155.

[Luke]

I think the line will drop, that's why I bet it. I am not too confident but I will arb out for some guaranteed profit if I can like I did with Munoz/Maia. If the line doesn't drop...then oh well, I still like Hughes @+155.


I wouldnt take Diego at -185 but I know nothing so..............

edit : I'd like to bet Diego but I want a better line

[Thewisemann]

I would also take Sanchez -185

[poopoo333]

Bantamweights "Kid" Yamamoto vs. Damacio Page targeted for UFC 135 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/23982/bantamweights-kid-yamamoto-vs-damacio-page-targeted-for-ufc-135.mma)

[poopoo333]

Ben Rothwell vs. Mark Hunt Projected for UFC 135 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/13/2222768/ben-rothwell-vs-mark-hunt-projected-for-ufc-135)

[poopoo333]

As expected, champ Jon Jones and challenger "Rampage" Jackson headline UFC 135 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24004/as-expected-champ-jones-and-challenger-rampage-headline-ufc-135.mma)

[poopoo333]

http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.uk/news/viewarticle.php?id=7033

Travis Browne vs Rob Broughton added

[Luke]

Someone explain to me how Jones is less of a favorite against Rampage than he was against Evans

[poopoo333]

Because Rampage HAS THAT ONE PUNCH KNOCKOUT POWER!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. IWS]

Someone explain to me how Jones is less of a favorite against Rampage than he was against Evans

Linesmakers are racist.

[Luke]

Because Rampage HAS THAT ONE PUNCH KNOCKOUT POWER!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh rly? That last time he KO'd anyone was 3 years ago

[Thewisemann]

Yea, that doesnt make alot of sense to me, but im glad because I will be heavy on Jones.

[poopoo333]

Yeah I will probably bet on Jones. He is going to literally...


well you know.

[poopoo333]

Nate Diaz vs. Takanori Gomi at UFC 135 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/20/2234526/nate-diaz-vs-takanori-gomi-at-ufc-135)

[SPX]

Shitty style matchup for Gomi. Nigga needs a striker.

[zY|]

So back to 155 for Nate, I guess.

I imagine they're wanting to put Gomi in exciting fights, and well, if you saw his fight with Nick...

[Svino]

I like that fight. It makes a good follow-up to the classic Nick Diaz match.

[flyinggogoplata]

Diaz by triangle.

[Luke]

Another loss for Gomi, at least it will be exciting ..........I hope

[Thewisemann]

Why does everyone think this is an automatic L for Gomi?
Jones is gonna embarrass Rampage. 3.6u on Bones

[poopoo333]

I don't.

I agree. Do you guys think Jones' line will get better?

[Ludo]

Honestly I think Gomi can win that fight. Diaz has fallen in love with his hands. He really does think he's his brother all of a sudden. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Gomi out-speed's Nate and takes this fight. And yeah, Jones is going to beat the fight out of Rampage, I don't know if his line will get better though. Rampage has looked like total shit in his last three fights and Jones has been about one step from literally fucking dudes up the ass in the middle of the cage. Rampage has devolved into a true one trick pony and the fact that he didn't knock the ever loving shit out of Hammill really won't help the money come in on him.

[SPX]

Rampage looked like total shit against Hamill? What the fuck? That fight was total domination.

[flyinggogoplata]

Rampage looked like total shit against Hamill? What the fuck? That fight was total domination.

I agree rampage completely shut down hammill.

[Ludo]

If anyone asked you whether you thought Hammil would still be conscious at the end of a fight with Rampage Jackson would your answer be "I think he could"? Jackson didn't fight like a guy who made a living knocking dudes senseless with his hand and held the light heavyweight title. He was flat, he wasn't throwing combos. Now part of that has to do with Hamill coming in and backing way out everytime but Rampage never opened up, he hardly even tried to throw anything other than a short hook or a single jab in that fight. That isn't what we have come to expect from Rampage.

[poopoo333]

Didn't rampage get pretty tired in that fight as well?

[SPX]

If anyone asked you whether you thought Hammil would still be conscious at the end of a fight with Rampage Jackson would your answer be "I think he could"? Jackson didn't fight like a guy who made a living knocking dudes senseless with his hand and held the light heavyweight title. He was flat, he wasn't throwing combos. Now part of that has to do with Hamill coming in and backing way out everytime but Rampage never opened up, he hardly even tried to throw anything other than a short hook or a single jab in that fight. That isn't what we have come to expect from Rampage.

Well I actually thought Hamill had a shot to beat Rampage, so the fact that EVERY ONE of Hamill's takedown attempts were stuffed and he didn't win a single round was very impressive to me. He didn't even land any significant strikes. Total domination by Rampage. Just because Rampage didn't get a KO didn't mean that he didn't win every minute of that fight.

[Ludo]

I'm not saying the lack of KO is My gripe. I'm saying he looked terrible in comparison to even his average fight, even compared to other fights against better strikers and better wrestlers he looked worlds better than what he did against Hammill. I never said he didn't win the fight or that he didn't dominate it, I'm saying he looked like shit compared to virtually every other fight he ever won while he was doing it.

For the record I also thought Hammill had a shot at winning going in. I even had a small bet on him. But watching that fight it was clear Hammill had nothing for Rampage, and yet Rampage looked like he just wanted the end of the third round to get there as fast as possible.

[flyinggogoplata]

He looked about the same as the jardine fight.

[Mr. IWS]

Rampage never opened up, he hardly even tried to throw anything other than a short hook or a single jab in that fight. That isn't what we have come to expect from Rampage.

I think part of that was the fear of getting taken down had he just let his hands go.

[poopoo333]

I think part of that was the fear of getting taken down had he just let his hands go.

Yeah, and he will have to worry about the same thing with Jones. I really want to see Rampage win, but I think Jones is going to handle him.

[Thewisemann]

Jones is gonna dominate

[poopoo333]

James Te Huna vs. Ricardo Romero added to UFC 135 in Denver (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24450/james-te-huna-vs-ricardo-romero-added-to-ufc-135-in-denver.mma)

[Luke]

Who is this Tuna guy?

[SPX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Te_Huna

[poopoo333]

Jon Jones did his whole look away thing during the stare down so Rampage did this:

http://mmavalor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/JonesRampage-351x200.jpg

[poopoo333]

http://i.imgur.com/LoSHf.gif

[Luke]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Te_Huna

And you wonder why when you ask me why I like a fighter I say "because he'll win" ,anytime I ask anything I get nada for feedback .

[SPX]

You asked who he is . . . well, there's a wealth of information right there on his Wiki page.

You didn't ask anyone to break the fight down.

[Luke]

You asked who he is . . . well, there's a wealth of information right there on his Wiki page.

You didn't ask anyone to break the fight down.

You seriously dont think I know where to find his wiki page at.................ok poopoo

[SPX]

I didn't say you don't know . . . but sometimes you're too lazy to do shit. So I thought I'd make it easy.

[Luke]

I didn't say you don't know . . . but sometimes you're too lazy to do shit. So I thought I'd make it easy.

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[SPX]

Yeah, mine too motherfucker! You've been REALLY sensitive about everything lately.

[poopoo333]

Just added to the UFC 135 lineup - @TimBoetsch (http://twitter.com/TimBoetsch) vs. Nick @Promise_RiiNG (http://twitter.com/Promise_RiiNG)

Tim Boetsch is going to literally.... you know the rest.

[Mr. IWS]

Tim Boetsch is going to literally.... you know the rest.

I bol'd

[poopoo333]

better gif

http://cdn2.cagepotato.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/JonesRampage_faceoff.gif

[mike]

^^^ LMAO HAHHAHAHAAHAH Jones was like.. fucked...

[Luke]

Yeah, mine too motherfucker! You've been REALLY sensitive about everything lately.

Not enough sleep + too much to do + too much BS = edgy

[SPX]

Not enough sleep + too much to do + too much BS = edgy

Well it's all good, homey. This is a safe place. No one's out to get you here.

I was genuinely trying to be hopeful with that Wiki article.

[Luke]

Well it's all good, homey. This is a safe place. No one's out to get you here.

I was genuinely trying to be hopeful with that Wiki article.

I'm just tired cause its summer quarter so everything is compacted ,that and I was dumb enough to take 4 classes instead of 3 .

I'll try to get more sleep so I'm less cranky

[SPX]

I hear you. That sucks.

Go get a 6 pack, drink the shit out of it, and pass out. I was feeling pretty exhausted myself and went to bed early last night. 9 hours later I felt pretty good.

[Ludo]

I wonder how long Jones is going to keep doing that look away thing at the staredown now. This is two people in a row who have clowned him on it. Of course he's going to rape Rampage's face with his fist and anything else he wants to use but he really needs to find something else, maybe just a normal staredown.

[poopoo333]

I wonder how long Jones is going to keep doing that look away thing at the staredown now. This is two people in a row who have clowned him on it. Of course he's going to rape Rampage's face with his fist and anything else he wants to use but he really needs to find something else, maybe just a normal staredown.

Shogun didn't do that on purpose, I really think he was just confused and thought Jones was looking at the press for photos.

[Mr. IWS]

It would be crazy if Bones took Rampage and literally…………..

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h411/GetJerms/Forums/388ede6e.png

[poopoo333]

UFC 135 gets Manny Gamburyan vs. Diego Nunes, Cole Esovedo vs. Takeya Mizugaki (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24529/ufc-135-gets-manny-gamburyan-vs-diego-nunes-cole-esovedo-vs-takeya-mizugaki.mma)

[edman5555]

Im all over nunes on that if he has a good line, which he wont.

[SPX]

I like how they handle Miz. They give him a mid-level guy he can beat, then they give him a high-level guy. Then when he loses he gets another mid-level guy. This way he never gets cut.

[SPX]

Im all over nunes on that if he has a good line, which he wont.

What are you considering to be a good line?

[Luke]

It would be crazy if Bones took Rampage and literally…………..

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h411/GetJerms/Forums/388ede6e.png


::lmao::::lmao::

[edman5555]

What are you considering to be a good line?

I dont know. Now that i think about it, Gamburyan is pretty good. I'm not sure how to handle this one.

[SPX]

Gamburyan is no slouch. He's quite strong with a very solid grappling base and, while he's not known for being a master striker, he did knock Brownie out.

With that said, I expect Nunes will win, but I think he's going to have to work for it.

[poopoo333]

Anybody think Ben Rothwell/Mark Hunt is going to be Rothwell/Yvel all over again?

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiDFbz1pzLY

[flyinggogoplata]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiDFbz1pzLY

where did you get that?.............................sbrforum

[poopoo333]

where did you get that?.............................sbrforum

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/ufc-135-jones-vs-rampage-nicktheface2-1759479/

[MMA_scientist]

Anybody think Ben Rothwell/Mark Hunt is going to be Rothwell/Yvel all over again?

Rothwell should win easy if he comes in smart. Rothwell is underrated IMO.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, hopefully we get another -115 line like we did in the Yvel fight.

[poopoo333]

Do you guys think Boetsch will be able to toss Ring around like he did to Grove? Ring's weakness seems to be against wrestlers, and Boetsch is probably going to be the bigger and stronger guy and will want to stay on top. I am just not sure if I am overrating Boetsch's wrestling and top control game from the Kendall Grove fight, since Kendall Grove seems to have the strength levels of a 5 year old girl.

[SPX]

Someone needs to post the gif of Boetsch bitch-tossing David Heath against the cage. . .

[poopoo333]

Someone needs to post the gif of Boetsch bitch-tossing David Heath against the cage. . .

http://i46.tinypic.com/ifptfc.jpg


Will he be able to do that to Nick Ring though?

[Mr. IWS]

^^^^^^Thats how my Dad would beat me when I was a kid.

[edman5555]

http://i46.tinypic.com/ifptfc.jpg


Will he be able to do that to Nick Ring though?

Fukuda took Ring down a lot. I was thinking along the same line. My guess would be yes, Tim can take him down.

[SPX]

I think that the Grove fight at least proved that Boetsch is still a strong motherfucker, even after the weight cut. Grove may not be Hercules, but he's not totally weak either. Boetsch worked him over a lot more thoroughly than most of his opponents have been able to.

I really expect he will beat Nick Ring.

[poopoo333]

http://middleeasy.com/images/stories/organizations/ufc115/59277159.gif

[edman5555]

I think that the Grove fight at least proved that Boetsch is still a strong motherfucker, even after the weight cut. Grove may not be Hercules, but he's not totally weak either. Boetsch worked him over a lot more thoroughly than most of his opponents have been able to.

I really expect he will beat Nick Ring.

Yeah I agree with this.

[poopoo333]

"Canadian UFC veteran and trainer, Lance Gibson, known for training many West Coast MMA stars and most recently know as Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson’s Head Coach, has made a personal decision not to be a part of this particular camp. Under Mr. Gibson’s tutelage, Jackson defeated top fighters, Lyoto Machida (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122516/lyoto-machida) and Matt Hamill (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122512/matt-hamill). Lance wishes Rampage the best in his upcoming world championship fight at UFC 135 against Jon 'Bones' Jones in Denver, Colorado."


So Rampage's head coach left Rampage for a title fight? hmm

[AC88]

Jones is a lock in this fight IMO. I will put him on any parlay too.

[poopoo333]

Diaz/Gomi opened @-120/-120

Browne/Broughton opened @ -400/+280

I wish I could have grabbed Diaz @-120 and Browne @-215

[SPX]

Damn, that Diaz line got pounded. No faith in Gomi, I guess.

So is Diaz done at 170?

[Vandelay]

why the love for nate? hes not getting gomi down and he doesnt have better standup than his brother. I like gomi in this one.

[SPX]

I'd love to see Gomi blast him.

[Ludo]

At the same time though Gomi isn't the kind of fighter who has the tools to effectively beat Nate. He's not a wrestler, he's not a strong top control grappler, and he's not a grinder. Nate has outworked better strikers before and I don't think Gomi will be any different.

[Vandelay]

only guy that was better than gomi standing was marcus davis and that was a close fight.

[mike]

i dont think nate diaz has the chin to survive Gomi til Gomi gas. ill be on Gomi.

[Ludo]

only guy that was better than gomi standing was marcus davis and that was a close fight.

Until the second round when Nate turned him into Rocky Dennis.

[Thewisemann]

I think this is a close one.

[edman5555]

yeah. Nate will probably have a tough time taking gomi down. If he does get him down he has a good shot at subbing him. Who knows if Gomi will try to take him down. Nate has reach, Gomi has power. Wiseman is correct, this one will be close. I may bet Gomi.

[poopoo333]

I think Gomi will be real timid and won't react well to Diaz in his face. But I am not gonna bet Diaz at that line. Gomi hasn't looked good at all lately.

[mike]

Gomi KO1

[SPX]

I think Gomi will be real timid and won't react well to Diaz in his face. But I am not gonna bet Diaz at that line. Gomi hasn't looked good at all lately.


I understand the sentiment about Gomi not looking good "lately," but it WAS only two fights ago when he knocked out Griffin, a man who had never before been knocked out in 17 fights.

[poopoo333]

Sweet, he landed one significant punch in 3 years.

edit: X, this post was sarcastic. Don't take it personally and get pissed.

[poopoo333]

1. Diego Nunes is scrapped from the card.

2. SPYGATE!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AiKhGcRyvrHLWP2C.ua1Zpg9Eo14?slug=ki-iole_ufc_jackson_jones_spies_082911

[zY|]

BOL spying shit is hilarious.

Don't be a fag and call it 'spygate' though. Stop it.

[poopoo333]

Do you guys think Jones will finish Rampage?

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w5Beh6fEJVs

[edman5555]

Honestly I think he can finish him. I am sure he can take him down. From there I think he can tko anybody. I know Rampage has a real good jaw though.

[poopoo333]

Rampage is tough to finish. I can see Jones taking him down and beating him up, but there is a chance that Jones will tire after 2 or 3 rounds (he said he was tired in the Shogun fight and that was with Shogun generating no offense at all) and this could go to decision. I doubt Rampage will have the KO power after 2 or 3 rounds of being on bottom either. It would be awesome if Rampage KTFO Jones though.

[edman5555]

yeah that is a good point about jones cardio. Rampage will be harder to takedown than shogun. Couple that with the fact that Rampage is hard to knock out and we may have a fight that goes a long time. If that is the case...jones could tire and get knocked out like you said. He is still very young and new to mma.

[poopoo333]

I was actually saying I don't think Jones will get KO'd after 3 rounds because Rampage will be tired too...which would make it a fight that goes the distance possibly.

[Ludo]

I think more than anything he was tired because he threw everything but the kitchen sink at Shogun and did it for over two rounds. He may be able to sit back a little bit with Rampage because I don't think Page is going to come out like a madman in the fashion that Shogun often does. I don't think Jones can knock Rampage out, but I think he can break him and force a ref stoppage.

[Thewisemann]

Jones is gonna finish in the 2nd or 3rd rd, choke or TKO on the ground

[edman5555]

i was thinking choke as well. fuck it that was what i was thinking to begin with. I just try to consider all the possibilites. I think Jones inside the distance and maybe Jones by sub. I can def see him going for the sub.

[poopoo333]

Jones ITD is -157, way better than -500 lol

[zY|]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w5Beh6fEJVs

This is easily the best promo the UFC has ever done. Sassy shit.

[MMA_scientist]

Rampage has no defense from his back, no one ever put him there. I think Jones will mount him and pound him out like Hammill.

[poopoo333]

Yeah if I bet this fight it will probably be Jones ITD. Kind of have a bad feeling about it though

[Svino]

Rampage has no defense from his back, no one ever put him there. I think Jones will mount him and pound him out like Hammill.

So you're calling Rampage ITD, then?

But seriously yeah, I do agree that Jones will get the finish.

[Mr. IWS]

I think more than anything he was tired because he threw everything but the kitchen sink at Shogun and did it for over two rounds. He may be able to sit back a little bit with Rampage because I don't think Page is going to come out like a madman in the fashion that Shogun often does. I don't think Jones can knock Rampage out, but I think he can break him and force a ref stoppage.

Dam, just typed this out and didnt realize you said the same thing (even the kitchen sink reference), Bulz.

I wanna see how Jones reacts in the 4th and 5th rounds, after he just went HAM on Rampage for the first 3 rounds, and Rampage is still standing, and stalking Bones.

[MMA_scientist]

So you're calling Rampage ITD, then?

But seriously yeah, I do agree that Jones will get the finish.

yeah, that would be my guess. I do think Rampage can win though.

[poopoo333]

http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/archives/rosario_dawson_quntion_rampage_jackson_join_cast_o f_fire_with_fire_w_50_cen/

[Luke]

Would jump Rosario Dawson

[poopoo333]

Would buy her on Craigs List.

[sideloaded]

Would buy her on Craigs List.

http://i.imgur.com/qlofx.gif

[Luke]

someone find gifs from the movie Alexander

[sideloaded]

http://i.imgur.com/0Ll2x.gif

[poopoo333]

I had to quote the post to see it...dayumm

[sideloaded]

i think i fixed it

[Luke]

holy mother of god..............................REEPPPPPPPPEEEDDD

[zY|]

love me some rosario

[poopoo333]

“But then last week I got word Matt Hughes, who has avoided me for years, needed an opponent for UFC 135 in Denver on Sept. 24. I’ve called out Hughes for so long but he’s always avoided me. When he was on top and one of the top in the division, he used his position to avoid fighting me and all the AKA guys,” Koscheck explained. “But when Diego Sanchez pulled out hurt with three weeks to go, I knew the UFC would have no choice but to try to talk Hughes into fighting me. Like I knew he would, he tried to suggest fighting Jon Fitch instead, knowing full well Fitch is still recovering from shoulder surgery. I tweeted that I’d accepted the fight and was ready, just to put pressure on Hughes to quit bitching and take the fight. I wanted to make it so that if he did turn the fight down, all the fans would know that he bitched out. He had nowhere else to go and I’ve finally got my fight with Matt Hughes.”

....

[edman5555]

Wow, Koscheck is really a douchebag. That said I think he will win but I give Hughes a good shot. I could def see him stuffing Kos's takedowns. He should have at least a decent shot at that. Koschecks standup isn't high level or anything, he has been beaten there by a lot of people. Hughes has some decent skill standing. This one might be more even than people are calling it. I give Koscheck the advantage as far as wrestling creds go, and youth.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't see how Hughes can win this fight. I agree that Koscheck is a massive douche. I wonder if he realizes that he is the one that looks like a bitch here, calling out washed up guys on a retirement tour rather than guys that are actually relevant in the division.

[edman5555]

I don't see how Hughes can win this fight. I agree that Koscheck is a massive douche. I wonder if he realizes that he is the one that looks like a bitch here, calling out washed up guys on a retirement tour rather than guys that are actually relevant in the division.

Maybe it is just wishful thinking..

[MMA_scientist]

Literally nothing would make me laugh harder than seeing Hughes knock Koscheck out. It would be great. But, realistically... Hughes has only dropped one guy in 50 fights. Koscheck is probably going to give him the Trigg treatment.

[poopoo333]

I am probably going to do a lot of parlays on this card. I think all the favorites listed now are going to win.

[poopoo333]

Jones is going to take Rampage down and beat him imo. I doubt Rampage is even better than Jones in the striking. Rampage is apparently "motivated, blah blah blah blah" but he is probably going to lose and claim he was injured and he fought for the fans anyways. As a fan I want to see Rampage KTFO Jones because it would make the LHW division even funnier.

Koscheck will probably beat Hughes early on the feet. Even BJ was reluctant in an interview when talking about this fight...his tone of voice basically said "Koscheck is going to win, sorry Matt" but he switched things up to "Yeah if Hughes tries he has a chance".

I think Browne will beat Broughton. Broughton is not good at all imo, just watch some of his vids to see what I mean. I think Browne has a lot of potential, and he is training with a good camp now. He probably shouldn't be -350 but he should win.

I think Diaz is going to beat Gomi decisively. I would like to see my cousin beat Diaz, but it's probably not going to happen. Gomi is probably going to stand there like a statue and get lit up while throwing some big punches that miss. I like the prop bet on this fight to not go the distance..Diaz is always trying to finish, Gomi gasses, and Gomi's only shot here is the KO.

Ben Rothwell is either going to get brutally KTFO or dominate this whole fight. I lean Rothwell for sure, I just don't like the fact that he has had some pretty serious injuries.

Not sure about Riley/Ferguson, but this is probably a gimme fight for Ferguson.

I think Boetsch is going to win a top control decision against Ring. I am kind of hesitant though, I think Kendall Grove is just so fragile and weak that he made Boetsch look like a complete beast at middleweight.

The remaining 3 fights I am not sure about. I like Escovedo over Mizugaki if the line is right.

[Mr. IWS]

Jones is going to take Rampage down and beat him imo. I doubt Rampage is even better than Jones in the striking. Rampage is apparently "motivated, blah blah blah blah" but he is probably going to lose and claim he was injured and he fought for the fans anyways. As a fan I want to see Rampage KTFO Jones because it would make the LHW division even funnier.

Koscheck will probably beat Hughes early on the feet. Even BJ was reluctant in an interview when talking about this fight...his tone of voice basically said "Koscheck is going to win, sorry Matt" but he switched things up to "Yeah if Hughes tries he has a chance".

I think Browne will beat Broughton. Broughton is not good at all imo, just watch some of his vids to see what I mean. I think Browne has a lot of potential, and he is training with a good camp now. He probably shouldn't be -350 but he should win.

I think Diaz is going to beat Gomi decisively. I would like to see my cousin beat Diaz, but it's probably not going to happen. Gomi is probably going to stand there like a statue and get lit up while throwing some big punches that miss. I like the prop bet on this fight to not go the distance..Diaz is always trying to finish, Gomi gasses, and Gomi's only shot here is the KO.

Ben Rothwell is either going to get brutally KTFO or dominate this whole fight. I lean Rothwell for sure, I just don't like the fact that he has had some pretty serious injuries.

Not sure about Riley/Ferguson, but this is probably a gimme fight for Ferguson.

I think Boetsch is going to win a top control decision against Ring. I am kind of hesitant though, I think Kendall Grove is just so fragile and weak that he made Boetsch look like a complete beast at middleweight.

The remaining 3 fights I am not sure about. I like Escovedo over Mizugaki if the line is right.

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j/k good shit breh breh

[edman5555]

fukada took ring down repeatidly.

[edman5555]

im not sure about diaz beating Gomi. Gomis chin isnt bad, he has never been knocked out. His wrestling could also be good enough to keep it standing. He could outstrike diaz, its not that crazy.

[Vandelay]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/1908701/397982667_large.jpg

Rashad Evans responded to it with: @Jonnybones @ufc hand on the hip! U go girl! Go "Battle"! U look fierce like Bruno!! Lol

[SPX]

I've already put enough on Kos to win a unit. I think that, at least at this point in their careers, Kos is better at everything. Hughes via fluke is the only way I see him winning.

[SPX]

http://i53.tinypic.com/9aoltj.gif



I BOLd.

[MMA_scientist]

Why are these fighters posting pics of them with their pants pulled down to the base of thier penises?

[MMA_scientist]

I BOLd.

Is that AC Slater?

[SPX]

Showing off dem legs. . .

[SPX]

Is that AC Slater?

It is, and I think it's hilarious.

I wonder what that nigga's up to these days? Hell, I wonder what he's up to this very moment. I wonder if he's watching TV or eating a grapefruit, or if he's in rehab and talking in a group, or if he's having lunch with some friends at a small, out-of-the-way cafe.

[MMA_scientist]

It is, and I think it's hilarious.

I wonder what that nigga's up to these days? Hell, I wonder what he's up to this very moment. I wonder if he's watching TV or eating a grapefruit, or if he's in rehab and talking in a group, or if he's having lunch with some friends at a small, out-of-the-way cafe.

That is pretty damn funny. The sad part is that I come from a time when that was considered cool.

AC Slater is probably hosting a TV show at this very moment, it is a workday you know...

[Mr. IWS]

It is, and I think it's hilarious.

I wonder what that nigga's up to these days? Hell, I wonder what he's up to this very moment. I wonder if he's watching TV or eating a grapefruit, or if he's in rehab and talking in a group, or if he's having lunch with some friends at a small, out-of-the-way cafe.

Nigga is making moves. He got his own show on the CW or some shit, and he hosts Extra or access hollywood.

[SPX]

Well props to AC. Glad to hear he is smoking crack in a gutter somewhere like so many fallen teen stars.

Speaking of which, what's up with Zak Morris? He doing anything these days?

[MMA_scientist]

Zak was on some cop show. Now he is on a lawyer show on basic cable, can't remember what it is called. Breckin Meyer co-stars.

The saved by the bell kids are doing all right, except screech

[poopoo333]

Speaking of which, what's up with Zak Morris? He doing anything these days?

Pretty sure he is the head of IWS.

[MMA_scientist]

Oh, and we all know about Jessie Spano.

[poopoo333]

BOL, Jones ITD is -255. Silva was only -205 ITD against Okami at it's worst.

[MMA_scientist]

I am going to laugh if B.A. knocks him out.

[Mr. IWS]

Pretty sure he is the head of IWS.

The lego maniac?

[SPX]

BOL!!! Worth a watch. . .




http://www.hulu.com/watch/182619/late-night-with-jimmy-fallon-saved-by-the-bell-reunion-update-part-1

[Vandelay]

Does anyone see this fight going the distance?

[MMA_scientist]

Does anyone see this fight going the distance?

No. I would be pretty surprised to see it go 5.

[MMA_scientist]

Stansbury. Bol.

That was pretty funny.


AC Slater trains bjj. True story.

[Vandelay]

Distance prop is up to plus 334 now. To hedge or not to hedge

[poopoo333]

Hedge with what? Did you bet it to not go the distance?

[Vandelay]

My wiseman special to win 867 bucks is 2 bouts away. The jones jackson not to go distance and sergio martinez to beat baker or barker.

[Luke]

Zak was on some cop show. Now he is on a lawyer show on basic cable, can't remember what it is called. Breckin Meyer co-stars.

The saved by the bell kids are doing all right, except screech

Saw the commercial for that show once,isnt the point of it they screw off in court all the time?

[Svino]

Well props to AC. Glad to hear he is smoking crack in a gutter somewhere like so many fallen teen stars.

Speaking of which, what's up with Zak Morris? He doing anything these days?

LOL, from the Zak Morris Wikipedia article:

A largely unknown fact about the character is that it was based upon a real person by the same name. The real Zach (Zak) Morris was also the high school troublemaker at Firestone Highschool in Akron Ohio with somewhat of a cult following, however the real Zak Morris was anything but "preppy" in fact quite the opposite. Born the child of a pornstar mother and mafioso drug trafficer Zak spent his school years as a sexual beast and as muscle for local underground teenage gambling operations. It is still unknown how he managed to evade trail for his numerous accusations of badassesness.

[Vandelay]

sounds like sideloaded changed that wiki after he read this thread

[SPX]

Bulz

[Vandelay]

Early thoughts on this card. I'm liking ferguson over riley (he will probably be around -300), rothwell over hunt (as long as the line isnt stupid), Boetsch over Nick Ring (hopefully close to a pickem), koscheck over hughes (will probably only throw this in a parlay), and small bets on gomi and escovedo.

[sbjj]

Early thoughts on this card. I'm liking ferguson over riley (he will probably be around -300), rothwell over hunt (as long as the line isnt stupid), Boetsch over Nick Ring (hopefully close to a pickem), koscheck over hughes (will probably only throw this in a parlay), and small bets on gomi and escovedo.

Could not agree with those thoughts more.

[MMA_scientist]

Agree with everything except I think Escovedo and Feguson. Escovedo/Mizugaki depends on the line for me. Miz will probably be a slight favorite, and I think he has a slight edge.

Agree that Ferguson should beat Riley no problem, but I don't know that I would bet it at -300... but then again, Riley has pretty limited outs in that one. He basically has to get Ferguson to brawl with him, which Ferguson has not shown a propensity for doing. I guess I am just nervous about that because it is his first fight in the UFC and Riley is a veteran. Maybe Ferguson/Koscheck parlay.

[poopoo333]

Rothwell -420/Hunt +300

[sbjj]

Oh well, that sucks.

[poopoo333]

Jones' arms measure 34.5 inches. His reach allows him to land blows from over 3 feet away. Arms extended, Jones can cover 182 cubic feet around him, which is 80% more than the average adult male. Jones' superman punch extends his rage to over 5 feet.
Jones' spinning elbow has been clocked at over 900 degrees/second.
Jones landed 10 downward elbow strikes in a matter of 4 seconds against Vladimir Matyushenko (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122955/vladimir-matyushenko).
MMA fighters are able to apply a chokehold at 500 pounds of force, which is 10x more than is necessary to cut off circulation.
If Jones heigh matched his wingspan, Jones would be taller than 97% of the players in the NBA. Which is a fancy way of saying that he would be seven feet tall.

[poopoo333]

Rothwell down to -350...I hope it gets to the -200s

[sbjj]

Yes...-250 or so would be great.

[zY|]

Jones' arms measure 34.5 inches. His reach allows him to land blows from over 3 feet away. Arms extended, Jones can cover 182 cubic feet around him, which is 80% more than the average adult male. Jones' superman punch extends his rage to over 5 feet.
Jones' spinning elbow has been clocked at over 900 degrees/second.
Jones landed 10 downward elbow strikes in a matter of 4 seconds against Vladimir Matyushenko (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fighter/122955/vladimir-matyushenko).
MMA fighters are able to apply a chokehold at 500 pounds of force, which is 10x more than is necessary to cut off circulation.
If Jones heigh matched his wingspan, Jones would be taller than 97% of the players in the NBA. Which is a fancy way of saying that he would be seven feet tall.


What are these, Chuck Norris facts?

[poopoo333]

Rothwell down to -275

[edman5555]

Hunt isn't that bad...he has good standup. He might knock Rothwell out. That said, I favor Rothwell.

[Vandelay]

We gonna get a full card breakdown from pp or scientist? this place is dead.

[Vandelay]

full props out for bones vs rampage, some props out for hughes, browne, and diaz fights

[mike]

undercard odds r out on bmaker

[poopoo333]

LOL at me missing Boetsch @+110. FUCK. I was going to the lines and my phone died

[edman5555]

yeah damn. I'm not suprised his line moved like that. Anyways I will be on Boetsch but I going to wait and see if his line gets any better. Also I think Ricardo Romero might be a decent dog bet.

[MMA_scientist]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/417.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

I'm thinking a Rothwell-Boetsch-Mizugaki parlay may be in order.

[poopoo333]

Already parlayed Diaz and Rothwell

[MMA_scientist]

Jones/Rampage- nothing needs to be said here, we all know about this one.

Diaz/Gomi- I think Gomi has a chance here, Nate has been dropped by lesser strikers and Gomi can probably force a standup fight. That said, Gomi got outstruck by Clay Guida... so I have to think Diaz will win this with volume punching.

Browne/Broughton- I don't see why Browne is such a favorite. Broughton won his first UFC fight by stoppage. He trains with a good camp and appears to be well rounded, with decent wrestling, submissions, and power. He has 7 TKO's and 5 submissions (coming from both the top and bottom). Browne may be the bigger more powerful man and that means a lot for HW's. I get why he is favored, having beaten better guys and being undefeated, but I think the line is off personally. I don't think Struve is that good and Browne's win over him is making his line steep. He will probably win by first round KO though- that's what always happens when I think the line is not justified.

Koscheck/Hughes- Koscheck does everything better than Hughes at this point, Hughes' only chance is to fluke out IMO.

Rothwell/Hunt- I like Rothwell here. Hnt has the big punch but that is pretty much it. Rothewell is a tough durable guy and I think he will get a takedown and pound Hunt out.

Te Huna/Romero- TeHuna is the more well rounded guy and much more powerful guy. Romero is pretty much a bjj guy only. He can stand a little, but he is slow and his punches are weak. Romero has to get this down. If he does, he has a good chance, Te Huna has been subbed 5 times. Romero's only loss is the blitz KO from Kingsbury. He did get Petruzelli down and submity him, so I think he has a good chance of dragging Te Huna down too. Gun to head: Te Huna.

Riley/Ferguson- Ferguson is a wrestler with decent boxing. Riley is the guy they bring in to get their TUF guys an easy but credible win (since Riley is well respected). Riley is a vet with well rounded skills, but his only out is landing a death blow IMO. Ferguson might have trouble standing with him since Riley likes to brawl, but I think Ferguson throws straigter and faster. I got Ferg winning.

Ring/Boetch- Boetch might be a beast at 185. I think he is getting a little bit too much credit for his beat down of Grove- at the time Grove was saying he was going to retire. Ring did not look that good to me on TUF and Fukuda beat him. Boetch should be able to get a takedown and Ring doesn't pack a lot of power. Boetch wins.

Assuncao/Yagin- Assuncao is a good middle of the road FW. He has a good bjj game and decent aggressive striking. Yagin is the guy that submitted Joe Soto in his last fight. Aside from that win, he has not done anything special. I really don't know enough about Yagin, but my guess is that he gets hustled on the mat by Junior.

Escovedo/Miz- Cole is long and lean with a tricky guard. Miz is stocky and powerful and impossible to submit. I think they will probably engage in a kickboxing match, but MIz could win by getting some takedowns. I think Mizugaki will win, but it is close.


As for bets, I am thinking about Boetch and Kos/Ferguson parlay.

[MMA_scientist]

After consideration, I think Ferguson's line is too steep.

[sbjj]

If I remember correctly. Last time they had a card in CO. half the fighters gassed out bad. Might think twice on betting anyone whose conditioning might be questionable.

[poopoo333]

Any magic parlays in mind?

[poopoo333]

If I remember correctly. Last time they had a card in CO. half the fighters gassed out bad. Might think twice on betting anyone whose conditioning might be questionable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Live:_Vera_vs._Jones


I don't remember any gassing

[Mr. IWS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Live:_Vera_vs._Jones


I don't remember any gassing

inb4Verasabum

[sbjj]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Live:_Vera_vs._Jones


I don't remember any gassing

My bad, it was the event before that. Lauzon-Florian. Where a bunch gassed, and Rogan was even commenting on the altitude in CO. Vera-Jones had a bunch of quick finishes.

[poopoo333]

Rampage, Broughton and Te Huna are all training at the MusclePharm center in Colorado btw

[sbjj]

Is Hughes even taking this shit serious anymore? I know he is training with Pat and BJ. But God, he sounds like he has already decided to basically leave the sport. What are the chances as soon as he gets hit, he says F it and just gives up. He just does not seem like he is in the frame of mind to take a beating. I think mentally he already believes he will lose this fight.

[Luke]

inb4Verasabum

BOL............

[poopoo333]

Do you guys think Gomi's only shot is the KO? Or do you think he can win a decision?

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA0DMe1E8Mc&feature=player_embedded

[poopoo333]

hmm...I think we should all give a wiseman special a try this card. I think that there is a good chance almost all the favorites win tbh. Except Mizugaki

[Luke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA0DMe1E8Mc&feature=player_embedded

That 1:45 was probably his whole training camp

[SPX]

Is Hughes even taking this shit serious anymore? I know he is training with Pat and BJ. But God, he sounds like he has already decided to basically leave the sport. What are the chances as soon as he gets hit, he says F it and just gives up. He just does not seem like he is in the frame of mind to take a beating. I think mentally he already believes he will lose this fight.

I put money on Kos immediately. Outside of a flukey KO or sub or something, I just don't see how Hughes wins. Kos should be the better striker and, at this point at least, also the better wrestler. Kos actually got GSP down, if only for a second. No way Hughes does that shit.

[SPX]

hmm...I think we should all give a wiseman special a try this card. I think that there is a good chance almost all the favorites win tbh. Except Mizugaki

Why no faith in Mizugaki?

[Luke]

How Hughes can win

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd143/Detroit_Panday/Koscheck_Thiago.gif

[SPX]

Hughes has about a 3% chance to actually do that.

Oh, and early stoppage. . .

[Luke]

Hughes has about a 3% chance to actually do that.

.

3% ........where do you come up with that number? Just two fights ago he about knocked Almeida's head off .

Not saying its going to happen but damn Kos is -500



Oh, and early stoppage. .


hate you........reported

[sbjj]

3% ........where do you come up with that number? Just two fights ago he about knocked Almeida's head off .

Not saying its going to happen but damn Kos is -500




hate you........reported

You were ready to bet Floyd at -500.

And actually, Hughes has done that standing 1 time out of 50+ fights which makes 3% actually a high number.

I say parlay KOS with another fighter...maybe Rothwell.

[SPX]

3% ........where do you come up with that number? Just two fights ago he about knocked Almeida's head off .

Not saying its going to happen but damn Kos is -500



I got him at -350. Not sure I'd take him at -500, but like SBJJ said, you could throw him in a parlay.

[poopoo333]

You were ready to bet Floyd at -500.

I don't think he was....that was me.

[sbjj]

You are right. My apologies.

[MMA_scientist]

Hughes is going to lose. Does anyone think he can make it to the final bell? Thinking about Kos inside the distance. The more I think about it, the more I feel that poor Hughes is going to get humiliated.

[edman5555]

I think Hughes will get beat as well. I also had the same feeling about Gomi. Now that I really weigh it though, I won't bet on him. Nate can outstrike him or submit him. Gomi basically has to play it perfectly for 3 rounds and outwork Nate. I can't see that happenining. Broughton beating Travis Browne..maybe. I don't know much about Broughton though. He did beat Neil Grove though. He kinda reminds me of Browne. I can't really rationalize a bet on him though. Browne is really huge and seems fairly decent.

JJ/QJ - No bet. QJ could catch JJ with something and KO him. JJ's line is shit.
Rothwell/Hunt - Rothwell should have the advantage but Hunt has very good striking and a lot of power. Rothwells line isn't worth it. Also I think Hunts takedown defense is underrated. Rothwell will probably be forced to stand with him Hunt for a while.
Tuna/Romero - Romero seems pretty slick on the ground( the way he pulled out that armbar on Petruzelli(a black belt) was really impressive. He might have a hard time getting Tuna to the ground though and I have no idea if he can beat him standing. Tuna can def get subbed by romero if it goes down to the ground so neither side has certainty.

Out of the remaining I only know something about Boetsch and Ring. I think Boetsch has this one. He has a distinct advantage in the wrestling. He also has a shitload of power in his hands and seemingly sufficient sub defense. Also BTW, Boetsch's only losses are to 205 pound wrestlers..I will probably bet Boetsch pretty hard.

So...Boetsch and Koscheck are my picks and probably the consensus best bets..

Sidenotes: Distance bets. What are everyones ideas for how long fights will go?

I don't see QJ/JJ going the distance..They both can stop it by KO and I also think JJ can sub QJ.
Diaz Gomi - no idea. Diaz is hard to ko or sub. Gomi is reasonably tough to ko but he gasses. He is def subbable by Diaz but he has decent takedown D.
Hughes/Koscheck- I don't know. Anything can happen here. Tough call. Koscheck might overwhelm Hughes.
Rothwell/Hunt - This one could actually go the distance. Rothwell doesn't usually go for submissions and Hunt is hard as fuck to knock out. Rothwell is also very tough. That said..if it goes 15 minutes you would think one of these guys is getting knocked out..I might take over 1 or 2 rounds for this.
Tuna/Romero- I would think this one isn't going the distance but who knows.
Ring/Boestch. I do not think Ring has a great shot at stopping Boetsche but I would not be suprised to see Boetsche G and P Ring.

So distance/props:

QJ/JJ doesn't go the distance


So in total:

Boetsche
Koscheck
QJ/JJ does not go the distance

All seem fairly solid to me.

[Vandelay]

JJ/QJ distance bet isnt worth it anymore. It used to be -260, now its -600. QJ is notoriously hard to finish, seems to fight conservatively now, doesnt have that killer instinct he used to have, plus jon jones gasses in many of his fights, doesnt have much power in his hands, and could fight cautiously against a dangerous opponent in Jackson

[poopoo333]

I can see QJ/JJ going the distance tbh. Rampage is tough to finish and if he is able to hold on without getting pounded out on the ground in the 1st 3 rounds he may be able to survive the rest because Jones might get tired. Are you going to lay -600 for that prop edman?

[edman5555]

i have to think about it. I disagree that JJ does not have power in his hands though.

[SPX]

I could see it going to a decision. Probably not, but QJ rarely gets finished.

Though I'm hoping that QJ weathers the early storm and then KOs JJ after Jones slows down.

[mike]

Gomi will either ko nate or get subbed after he gassed. nates striking is abit overrate and so is his chin. question guys, if i bet gomi by ko and then bet nate by sub, is that considered hedging? i think bmaker says they would ban you if u hedge

[Vandelay]

No thats not considered hedging. and why not just bet the under? I dont think you would get banned either. I hedge all the time at 5dimes.

[SPX]

i think bmaker says they would ban you if u hedge

I've never heard this. . .

[poopoo333]

Probably gonna bet a decent amount on Diaz and hedge it a little bit with Gomi KO or Gomi R1. I don't see Gomi getting a KO in 2nd or 3rd round, he will be tired.

[Thewisemann]

I put money on Kos immediately. Outside of a flukey KO or sub or something, I just don't see how Hughes wins. Kos should be the better striker and, at this point at least, also the better wrestler. Kos actually got GSP down, if only for a second. No way Hughes does that shit.
Kos actually held GSP down the remainder of the round, I believe for around a minute.

[MMA_scientist]

Does anyone think Hughes can survive 15 minutes? I see Koscheck forcing a standup fight... any time Hughes is forced to stand up with a decent striker, he gets wobbled within seconds.

[MMA_scientist]

Pulled the trigger on Boetch.

[Mr. IWS]

Does anyone think Hughes can survive 15 minutes? I see Koscheck forcing a standup fight... any time Hughes is forced to stand up with a decent striker, he gets wobbled within seconds.

I can see him making it the distance, only because there may be a bit of a rust factory with Kos for a round or two.

[SPX]

Kos actually held GSP down the remainder of the round, I believe for around a minute.

I really don't think so. Unless my memory is just fucked, GSP was able to pop back up within seconds every time he was taken don.

[poopoo333]

Koscheck by (T)KO +180 looks ok

[SPX]

Could be worth a small play.

[sbjj]

I really don't think so. Unless my memory is just fucked, GSP was able to pop back up within seconds every time he was taken don.

First or second fight. Because the first fight I think he held him down for about a minute and a half and almost won the first round.

[poopoo333]

IIRC in the 2nd fight GSP got right back up in the 1st round after being taken down. In the 1st fight GSP lost a round to Koscheck. The scores were 29-28

[MMA_scientist]

Hughes is to die.

[poopoo333]

Hughes is to die.

inb4 the trend of aging fighters coming back and beating the young guy in round 1 continues.

[MMA_scientist]

inb4 the trend of aging fighters coming back and beating the young guy in round 1 continues.

I would love that. I don't think a prime Hughes could beat Koscheck though.

[sbjj]

I would love that. I don't think a prime Hughes could beat Koscheck though.

Thats the funny thing. A prime Hughes was still not the wrestler that KOS is. Hughes was a great fighter for his time. But times change.

[MMA_scientist]

I tend to think the same thing... although Hughes was an AA himself. Really the difference between the guy that takes 1st and the guy that takes 5th is just inches, indiscernible once applied in MMA IMO. But Koscheck has shown that his takedowns work in MMA. He has shown better submission defense than Hughes (Re: GSP) and he sure as hell has shown better striking. He is just better. Even his guard is better than Hughes. GSP had Kos on his back a bunch in the first fight. When Hughes gets put on his back he just eats some many punches.

[sbjj]

I actually think Hughes gaurd sucks. he thinks he is some sort of submission machine when he is on his back and forgets to protect his face. I actually se NO advantage anywhere for Hughes. Unless GSP took the life out of KOS. But KOS seems to really be up for his return.

I might just parlay KOS with my other bets...Boetsch, maybe Escovedo, Rothwell, and Browne.

[MMA_scientist]

Agreed, I don't see how Hughes wins barring a miracle shot. Agree Hughes' guard sucks. He has a good top game and solid passing, Kos is not going to let himself get held down.

I was looking for a 2 fight parlay, but I can't come up with another bet on the card that fits the mold. I might just parlay him with Boetch, but I already made my Boetch bet. I would like to go heavier on Koscheck... I don't know. Maybe I will just do Koscheck ITD. I really don't like betting distance props though. I am not good at them and I feel too much chance is involved.

[sbjj]

Well, who do you see as the cleanest lock out of the other favorites? Because I was thinking of doing the same thing.

Medium size bet on Boetsch.

Small plays on Gomi and Escovedo.

And a Medium size parlay bet of KOS and...

[MMA_scientist]

I can't find another one, that is the problem. I was thinking about Ferguson, but that is more just that I don't think Riley is very good. Ferg needs to fight someone real before I am willing to bet him at -300. So I would say Boetch is next up, but I don't feel that it is a "lock" given that he has only looked good once.



Oh, and "Not Koscheck by submission" is only -280. I might do a that + some for a mini magic parlay. I can get almost even odds on not kos,jones, broughton, gomi by sub. Obviously any one of those could happen (except I feel pretty strongly that Gomi won't submit Diaz)... but at even odds...

[Luke]

I really don't think so. Unless my memory is just fucked, GSP was able to pop back up within seconds every time he was taken don.

My memory must be really fucked up because I dont remember GSP being taken down at all or Kos even trying ......wait are we talking about the 2010 or 2007 fight?

[MMA_scientist]

Koscheck/Boetch is -105 I think I might just do that. I thin Ferguson is going to win easily too, but just nervous about betting him when he has not fought anyone at all.

[SPX]

First or second fight. Because the first fight I think he held him down for about a minute and a half and almost won the first round.

My bad for not clarifying, I was talking about the second fight. I've actually never even seen the first.

[SPX]

My memory must be really fucked up because I dont remember GSP being taken down at all or Kos even trying ......wait are we talking about the 2010 or 2007 fight?

Second fight, and I remember Kos took him down at least once while they were against the fence but GSP was able to immediately get back up.

[Luke]

Second fight, and I remember Kos took him down at least once while they were against the fence but GSP was able to immediately get back up.

Must have missed that,oh well.

[zY|]

I've actually never even seen the first.

wat

[SPX]

Nope, never saw it.

[MMA_scientist]

Kos/GSP II just happened to be on Spike when I turned the TV on a little white ago. Kos got dominated, but he took GSP down in Rd 1 and held him there until the bell, about 30 seconds. GSP was just waiting teh round out though. Either way, Hughes is going to get beat down.

[poopoo333]

9/24/2011 11:00 PM Props Fighting 1160 J.Jones points handicap* -3½ -400 vs Q.Jackson points handicap
any victory inside distance is a winner for selected fighter, see sportsbook rules for grading details
9/24/2011 10:00 PM Props Fighting 1332 Any other result* -398 vs J.Koscheck wins by submission
9/24/2011 8:00 PM Props Fighting 1428 Any other result* -1425 vs R.Broughton wins by submission
9/24/2011 7:00 PM Props Fighting 1532 Any other result* -1854 vs T.Gomi wins by submission


I kind of like that. Jones is the scary part though but he should win

[Luke]

9/24/2011 10:00 PM Props Fighting 1332 Any other result* -398 vs J.Koscheck wins by submission


Why is this only -398?

[poopoo333]

Why is this only -398?

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001006741/I_dunno_lol_answer_5_xlarge.png

[poopoo333]

Oh, and "Not Koscheck by submission" is only -280. I might do a that + some for a mini magic parlay. I can get almost even odds on not kos,jones, broughton, gomi by sub. Obviously any one of those could happen (except I feel pretty strongly that Gomi won't submit Diaz)... but at even odds...

Not Jones by sub scares me. I doubt it happens, but that is the one that worries me out of those.

[poopoo333]

I am thinking Not Kos, Broughton, Gomi, Hunt by sub. I may throw in that Jones points handicap in there as well. That is basically betting Jones gets the finish or if he wins the decision the scores aren't 48-47 across the board

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Not Koscheck by sub was only -280. I may end up doing a magic parlay for like 1u or 2u, it is definitely a lot riskier for this card.

[poopoo333]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/722542/Jones-Rampage_staredown_presser.jpg

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/722760/DSC00456.JPG

[Mr. IWS]

i will be out of town for a while so I am posting my bets here, I would appreciate if Zak could count them. Thanks.

Koscheck 4.7u to win 1u
Boetsch 6.2u to win 4u

Invalid. Negged

[Vandelay]

Damnit Edman, does this look like the bets section?