UFC 139

[poopoo333]

Cain Velasquez vs Junior Dos Santos
Charles Oliveira vs Joe Lauzon (in the works)
Jon Fitch vs ??? (rumored)

[SPX]

inB4someonesaysallinon???

[Ludo]

Oliveira's line is going to be outrageous

[SPX]

Probably. Oliveira should win for sure.

[edman5555]

i will be all over oliviera on that one. Striking and grappling advantage.

[edman5555]

and yes he will be a big fav. We might be able to get him at a decent opening line though. J-Lo is kinda famous too.

[Luke]

Anyone think Jon will be the favorite over Fitch?

[flyinggogoplata]

Jon Hendricks? Maybe, depends if he beats pierce really bad.

[Luke]

Jon Hendricks? Maybe, depends if he beats pierce really bad.


No Jon the favorite over Fitch



Jon Fitch vs

[flyinggogoplata]

No Jon the favorite over Fitch


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljehbsF2BI1qfqrqu.jpg

[poopoo333]

Charles Oliveira vs Joe Lauzon (in the works)

Nevermind.

[Luke]

Nevermind.

Thats ok maybe now Joe will fight Lauzon now..........any line guesses on that?

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/424.png

[poopoo333]

I like Story. Not sure about the Faber fight.

[SPX]

I'd like to get Kampmann at +150. That would've been easy before Story's meltdown against Brenneman.

And I'd take Faber at -150.

[Luke]

I'll probably be on Story and Faber as soon as the lines open at 5dimes if they hold.

[poopoo333]

Rick Story has shitty defensive wrestling, that is why he lost against Brenneman and Hathaway. Kampmann wont be able to exploit that imo, and Kampann gets backed up too much, and Story will look to do that against him.

[MMA_scientist]

I like Story also. I think Bowles can beat Faber though, not sure why the line is -200.

[SPX]

Well I don't favor Kampmann in this one, but I think he's worth a play if he gets to +150. He can certainly win. I would not be surprised to see him sub story, nor would I be surprised to see this one stay on the feet and Kampmann outstrikes him. Hell, I woudn't be too horribly shocked if Kampmann even hung with him in the wrestling department.

Plus, remember that Story lost to Hathaway, the same Hathaway that everyone is now calling overrated, etc. I think that if Hathaway can beat him, Kampmann has a very good chance of beating him, too.

[MMA_scientist]

I definitely think he is live. Kampmann is a tough fight for any WW. I just think Story will win. Story is a much better wrestler than Diego.

[Luke]

^^^^^MMA math


Kampmann will keep it close, puss out in the later rds, people will bitch he got screwed............heard this Story before.

[poopoo333]

^^^^^MMA math

::thumbup::


heard this Story before.

::lmao::

[poopoo333]

Cung Le/Vitor Belfort =main event ::thumbdown::

[Luke]

Cung Le/Vitor Belfort =main event ::thumbdown::

Are you kidding me?

Forget that I'm not buying it .

[edman5555]

You will resort to stealing it over the internet?

[Luke]

You will resort to stealing it over the internet?


Who does that?

[sideloaded]

You will resort to stealing it over the internet?

Watch your fucking mouth. Dana is watching.

[edman5555]

Watch your fucking mouth. Dana is watching.

I work for Dana White.

[poopoo333]

Hendo/shogun

[Luke]

Hendo/shogun

So much for Le-Belfort being the main event...................thank god

[zY|]

Hendo/Shogun good fight. Watch for Henderson to be put unconscious.

[Luke]

Hendo/Shogun good fight. Watch for Henderson to knock Shogun unconscious.

Fixed it for ya.

[zY|]

Fixed it for ya.

Thanks buddy

[Luke]

line guesses?

[poopoo333]

I guess this must mean Lyoto Machida vs Phil Davis sometime this year

[poopoo333]

line guesses?

I dunno. I don't see either guy opening worse than -140

[zY|]

Seriously though. Hendo wings a wild right and gets taken down and his head beaten in. First round. Shogun isn't someone you want on top of you.

[edman5555]

ill take hendo in that one

[Luke]

Shogun -160..............I'll be on Hendo

[MMA_scientist]

I got Shogun winning that early and often.

[Vandelay]

Looks like my sources were right when I said hendo would sign with 2 weeks.

[poopoo333]

Shogun -160..............I'll be on Hendo

I didn't realize this was the actual line.

[Luke]

I didn't realize this was the actual line.

It is,sorry guess I should have said that ...I can see how that can be seen as my "guess"

[Ludo]

Looks like my sources were right when I said hendo would sign with 2 weeks.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5vrlkFSLk1qcxh9eo1_500.jpg

[poopoo333]

Lines are getting closer to even for Shogun

[Mr. IWS]

I actually Like Hendo in this one.

[SPX]

I'm staying far away from that shit. There's no way to tell how it's going to go.

It's one of those fights that I'll just enjoy kicking back and watching.

[Luke]

I'm staying far away from that shit. There's no way to tell how it's going to go.

It's one of those fights that I'll just enjoy kicking back and watching.


There's no way to tell.........bolerz!!!

[Luke]

I actually Like Hendo in this one.

So do I

[SPX]

There's no way to tell.........bolerz!!!


So do I

inb4ShogunKOsHendo

[Luke]

inb4ShogunKOsHendo

I'll bet ya,its at even you take Shogun I'll take Hendo

[SPX]

Like I said, this shit could go either way. Not betting on a coin toss unless there's a sizable underdog.

[poopoo333]

I will probably be on Shogun...tough fight to call so I might do what X said. My initial reaction was Hendo though

[Luke]

Like I said, this shit could go either way. Not betting on a coin toss unless there's a sizable underdog.




http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g292/North_Wytch/Rainbows1.jpg

[SPX]

Not betting it.

[poopoo333]

Not betting it.

bawk bawk

[Luke]

bawk bawk


+1 SPX .What happened to :



inb4ShogunKOsHendo

[SPX]

+1 SPX .What happened to :

I was just balking at your insinuation that this fight is something other than a crapshoot from a capping standpoint when there is a whole host of factors from which one could derive a variety of conclusions.

Furthermore, how does throwing a bet down on an even fight at an even line amount to playing with an edge?

With that said, gun to head, I actually favor Hendo.

[sbjj]

I think Dan should be -150. And he probably will be come fight time.

[poopoo333]

I was just balking at your insinuation that this fight is something other than a crapshoot from a capping standpoint when there is a whole host of factors from which one could derive a variety of conclusions.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2638405548_1f95f6705e.jpg

[poopoo333]

I think Dan should be -150. And he probably will be come fight time.

You think Henderson will come to grapple and not to fight??

[sbjj]

I think Hendo could beat him standing. Or on the ground. More than likely a combo of both.

[poopoo333]

I think Hendo could beat him standing. Or on the ground. More than likely a combo of both.

Yeah...I think if Hendo can beat him standing it will be up close and against the cage, but I think Shogun would pick him apart at range

[sbjj]

I could see that happening until Dan drops him.

[SPX]

If Rich Franklin can take Hendo to a split decision then Shogun can beat him soundly.

And before someone says "middleweight" I'll point out that that fight was actually fought at LHW.

[poopoo333]

MMA math ftw.

I am watching that fight right now actually.

[sbjj]

If Rich Franklin can take Hendo to a split decision then Shogun can beat him soundly.

And before someone says "middleweight" I'll point out that that fight was actually fought at LHW.

If Mark Coleman can take Shogun late into the 3rd round. Then Dan can knock him out in 14 seconds. It does not work that way though.

[poopoo333]

This should be 5 rounds if it is the headliner.

[SPX]

MMA math ftw.

I am watching that fight right now actually.


It's true. I assume we all agree that Shogun is twice the fighter that Franklin is, especially today.

Besides, if you really look closely at Hendo's last several fights, it's impressive but only reservedly so:

Fedor - on the decline
Feijao - B-level heavyweight
Babalu - Mousasi knocked Babalu out much like Hendo did . . . how is Mousasi doing today?
Shields - lost . . . how is Shields doing today?
Bisping - B-level middleweight
Franklin - . . .

Hendo's ability to knock guys straight the fuck out is awesome, and he could do it here, but let's not blow him up to superhero proportions.

[sbjj]

Well, I am not sure anyone is blowing him up here. The guy is the dog in the fight(at least was). But to act like his recent wins are nothing compared to Shogun. Who has looked even less impressive IMO.

IMO Dan has sort of turned a corner. You can see it in the way he fights now. He is much smarter in the way he fights.

[poopoo333]

It's true. I assume we all agree that Shogun is twice the fighter that Franklin is, especially today.
-Twice the fighter? Right.

Besides, if you really look closely at Hendo's last several fights, it's impressive but only reservedly so:

Fedor - on the decline ..heh
Feijao - B-level heavyweight ..How can you really call him a B-Level LHW?
Babalu - Mousasi knocked Babalu out much like Hendo did . . . how is Mousasi doing today? He lost to a dominant wrestler and got taken to a draw with Jardine based on a pt deduction and horrible judging. Other than that he has been beating people as usual.
Shields - lost . . . how is Shields doing today? Shields has lost to GSP and got caught by Ellenberger... big deal. Bad style match up for Hendo too
Bisping - B-level middleweight Top 10 MW
Franklin - . . .Yeah?

Hendo's ability to knock guys straight the fuck out is awesome, and he could do it here, but let's not blow him up to superhero proportions.

I don't get why that even matters btw. None of those guys have the same style as Shogun. I could do the same shit for Shogun's previous opponents too.


inb4SPXgetspissedatmeandtakesthispersonal

[zY|]

IMO Dan has sort of turned a corner. You can see it in the way he fights now.

TRT

[zY|]

I'll bet ya,its at even you take Shogun I'll take Hendo

How much are we betting?

[Luke]

TRT

That and he's more suited for 205 and was trying to hard to get to 185 .Also think Shields would also do better at 185 instead of sucking down to 170.

[Luke]

How much are we betting?

I was only planning on betting 100 ,so if you want to do that we can.

[zY|]

I was only planning on betting 100 ,so if you want to do that we can.

I got Shogun, you got Hendo.

My $100 vs your $100.

::handshake::

[Luke]

I got Shogun, you got Hendo.

My $100 vs your $100.

::handshake::

Okay, GL ::handshake::

[Vandelay]

Vitor out, Wanderlei in vs cung le

[SPX]

What the fuck happened to Vitor?

I think this just became a much more winnable fight for Cung. . .

[MMA_scientist]

Wand is shot, Cung could defintely win that. BOO. That fight sucks. I want to see Cung fight someone good for once.

[Svino]

Damn. Too bad about Vitor. From his twitter: "I am out of november card, I have to take care of a injure. Nothing major but the good news that the doctor says I will be ready for dec"

As for Hendo / Shogun, I probably like Hendo at + odds. I do think Shogun would outmatch him at range but if Hendo comes to get inside / clinch / takedown he probably has a better than even chance.

[poopoo333]

Wandy murders Asians.

[Luke]

Think Le can win ,as for Belfort I think the injury is BS. What kind of injury keeps you off a Nov 19th card but allows you to fight in December?

Call me a conspiracy theorists if you like but I think Dana pulled him from the Nov card as co-main event to make Belfort the main event on another card ,makes more money that way.

[Mr. IWS]

Man, I really loved Vitor in that fight.

[zY|]

Man, I really loved Vitor in that fight.

This is better. We don't need to watch a man die in the cage.

[SPX]

Aren't you worried Wand's going to lose again?

[zY|]

Aren't you worried Wand's going to lose again?

Well, yeah. But at least it's a winnable fight. And I'm used to him losing now so it's not as bad. Although now that I think about it, if he gets finished by Cung Le I might burn down the entire east coast. So, good point.

[Luke]

if he gets finished by Cung Le I might burn down the entire east coast. So, good point.

::eyes::

[Luke]

Man, I really loved Vitor in that fight.

Vitor would have killed Le but odds would have probably been high (-400) anyway.

[SPX]

So who comes in as the dog here?

[Luke]

So who comes in as the dog here?

Le

[SPX]

I'll probably be on him.

[zY|]

Wand should still win. He's much better than Scott Smith.

[sbjj]

I think Smith and Silva are actually on par with one another.

I would for sure bet Le as a dog.

[zY|]

I think Smith and Silva are actually on par with one another.

You take that back. Take it back right now.

[SPX]

Wand should still win. He's much better than Scott Smith.


Yes, Wand is better than Smith, but Le only beat Smith because Le wasn't in shape Smith has hands of steel.

The thing about this fight is that it will be a stand up fight. No doubt about that. And Le is a legit ISKA kickboxing champ while Wand is a not-as-good-as-he-used-to-be brawler.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see Wandy win, but I think Cung has a great change here, and should maybe even be a favorite. Wand basically has to beat him at his own game.

[poopoo333]

Wandy can just take him down.

[zY|]

Maybe Wand takes him down and GNPs him?

[SPX]

Do you really think that's what's going to happen?

Besides, it often goes unrecognized that Cung is not totally out of sorts when it comes to wrestling. He was a champ in high school (or maybe college?).

[zY|]

Do you really think that's what's going to happen?

Besides, it often goes unrecognized that Cung is not totally out of sorts when it comes to wrestling. He was a champ in high school (or maybe college?).

I don't see why not. He caught Bisping's kicks and tripped him on his ass twice.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, in community college. 20 fucking years ago

[poopoo333]

Dana White: Wanderlei Silva's octagon career on line in UFC 139 bout with Cung Le (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25335/dana-white-wanderlei-silvas-octagon-career-on-line-in-ufc-139-bout-with-cung-le.mma)

[SPX]

I don't see why not. He caught Bisping's kicks and tripped him on his ass twice.

Did he follow him down? Furthermore, why do you necessarily think Cung can't just get back to his feet? I know Cung hasn't fought a lot of wrestlers, but to be fair, has he EVER just been handled on the ground?



Yeah, in community college. 20 fucking years ago

Like Jon Jones?

Minus the 20 year part. . .

[zY|]

Did he follow him down? Furthermore, why do you necessarily think Cung can't just get back to his feet? I know Cung hasn't fought a lot of wrestlers, but to be fair, has he EVER just been handled on the ground?

Maybe he does get back to his feet. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe fuck yourself.

I think Shamrock would've handled him on the ground if he had taken him down. I'm just saying there's no reason to assume it will be standup only.

[zY|]

And yes, Jon Jones is a great comparison to Cung Le.

[SPX]

Maybe he does get back to his feet. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe fuck yourself.

I think Shamrock would've handled him on the ground if he had taken him down. I'm just saying there's no reason to assume it will be standup only.

You fuck YOURSELF!!!!

[SPX]

And yes, Jon Jones is a great comparison to Cung Le.

Well it's not like Wand is a great comparison to any wrestler. . .

[Luke]

And yes, Jon Jones is a great comparison to Cung Le.

::lmao::

[Luke]

We are talking about the same guy thought got KTFO by Scott Smith right?

FWIW I think James Toney could get Le down

[zY|]

FWIW I think James Toney could get Le down

BOLZ

[SPX]

Y'all will see.

Damn. I guess I have to get stuck in the Cung Le war wagon position.

[sbjj]

Y'all will see.

Damn. I guess I have to get stuck in the Cung Le war wagon position.

You are not alone.

In fact, I am pretty sure Le wins. And outside of IWS, a whole lot of people do also. i think he will be the betting favorite.

[poopoo333]

I was just saying I think Wandy might plan to take it to the ground/can probably do it. I'm not one of the guys that thinks Wandy or Le wins.. I just want to see Wandy win as a fan.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm2/yjoonoh/wandyripped.gif

[SPX]

You are not alone.

In fact, I am pretty sure Le wins. And outside of IWS, a whole lot of people do also. i think he will be the betting favorite.

I think/hope Le comes in as a dog. If he does, I will probably bet him, at this point if no other reason thatn just to spite all these fuckers.

But with the way Wand's been fighting, I actually think it's a solid bet.

[SPX]

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm2/yjoonoh/wandyripped.gif




That's awesome, but that guy is not around anymore.

[poopoo333]

at this point if no other reason thatn just to spite all these fuckers.

lol, great strategy to make money

[poopoo333]

That's awesome, but that guy is not around anymore.

Yeah, he needs to start using steroids again and get that face surgery reversed. The new Wandy is kinda lame.

[SPX]

lol, great strategy to make money

You missed the full post. Go look again.

[poopoo333]

You missed the full post. Go look again.

Perma-banned.

[Luke]

You are not alone.

In fact, I am pretty sure Le wins. And outside of IWS, a whole lot of people do also. i think he will be the betting favorite.


Who's a whole lot of people...........sherdogers?

[Luke]

^^insertNOoffense.speech.jpg

[MMA_scientist]

Wand is shot, but Le sucks too. New Wand is like a neutered dog, and Le has been fighting B level fighters. Scott Smith is terrible. Hard fight to call... I think either guy could win. Probably a close to even line.

[Mr. IWS]

2 units on Draw ::bulb::

[sbjj]

Who's a whole lot of people...........sherdogers?

No, just people that disagree with your position. You know, sometimes it happens.

If Wand and Smith fought right now, Smith might just KO him in the first 2 minutes of the fight. While Le would most likely beat his ass.

I hope the Wand love is reflected in the price, but I doubt it.

[zY|]

No, just people that disagree with your position. You know, sometimes it happens.

If Wand and Smith fought right now, Smith might just KO him in the first 2 minutes of the fight. While Le would most likely beat his ass.

I hope the Wand love is reflected in the price, but I doubt it.

I agree. I think Scott Smith beats Michael Bisping too.

[Luke]

Scott Smith beat Wand................is this real life?

[Ludo]

I think it's a little premature to start saying Scott Smith beats Wanderlei. Let's not forget Silva cracked the hell out of Leben just before that collar tie, and quite a few fighters would have gone down from a shot like that. But because it was Leben he went all Mark Hunt on him. Smith would fold under that kind of treatment just like Bisping did, except Smith has less than a third of Bispings footwork and head movement. I'm sorry but Le's entire MMA Career has been a hype job. A fight with Vitor would have been life threatening, and a fight with Wanderlei is hit or miss depending on whether he can set up a flush shot to turn out the lights. But in no way is there any kind of justification to have Le anything worse than -125.

[SPX]

I'm sorry but Le's entire MMA Career has been a hype job.

He for damn sure hasn't fought anyone, I'll say that. But I feel that just like Cormier's wrestling background gives him instant MMA relevance, Cung Le's kickboxing background does the same for him. I mean, the dude went 17-0 and held multiple ISKA titles along the way. ISKA is basically like the UFC when it comes to Kickboxing in the United States, especially at the time when Cung was in his prime. He is not like some of these other "kickboxing champs" that we often see get labeled as such. He is a very competent and dangerous striker and is fully prepared for any such affairs in MMA.

[zY|]

He's also 40 years old and is more concerned with acting and eating cookies and ice cream than MMA.

[SPX]

Well Wand is old, too. REALLY old in fight years.

[zY|]

True.

But I was mostly arguing against the Cormier comparison. The dude doesn't take the sport 1/100th as seriously as Cormier.

And Wand beat Bisping last year, who is better than anyone Le has ever even thought about fighting.

[Luke]

True.

But I was mostly arguing against the Cormier comparison. The dude doesn't take the sport 1/100th as seriously as Cormier.

And Wand beat Bisping last year, who is better than anyone Le has ever even thought about fighting.

Scott Smith would beat Bisping

[SPX]

True.

But I was mostly arguing against the Cormier comparison. The dude doesn't take the sport 1/100th as seriously as Cormier.

And Wand beat Bisping last year, who is better than anyone Le has ever even thought about fighting.


Well the Cormier comparison was not exact, but my point was just that he is awesome at something that is very relevant in MMA.

And I'm not saying Wand is not still good. The Bisping win was legit. He can still fight, but even beyond the chin issue, he just doesn't have the speed and power that he used to. All I'm saying is that I think it's a bad style matchup because, even at 40, I think Cung might be too fast and too technical. Wand has never been technical and used to get by on just pure aggression and knocking dudes the fuck out. I just have doubts about him being able to brawl his way to a win here.

[zY|]

Scott Smith would beat Bisping

10 times out of 10

[SPX]

10 times out of 10

Co-Signed

[Ludo]

I'm in no way trying to discredit Le as a striker. But his entire MMA career has been filled with hand picked opponents for him to knock down. Also, Wanderlei has knocked out technically superior strikers before, I'm not saying he will definitely do it here but acting like he has no chance is a stretch. He put it on Bisping pretty hard just last year and dropped him twice(who dropped Bisping with punches twice in one fight before?). I see no reason why he can't do it to Le, who isn't any faster than Bisping is, at 40 years old, and has spent most of his time making movies when he wasn't going 1-1 with Scott Smith in the last two years.

[SPX]

I wouldn't be that surprised to see Wand finish Cung. I just think it's not probable.

Likewise, I wouldn't be that surprised to see Wand win on points. I think that if he does win, this is the most likely scenario.

[poopoo333]

My print screening skills are awesome

http://i55.tinypic.com/o6hczr.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/eaml8k.jpg

[sbjj]

LOL @ the gang jumping on my Smith MIGHT just KO Silva comment as me saying Smith WOULD beat Silva. Love when that kind of silly shit happens.

Bottom line is that Silva is pretty much shot.. As a fighter TODAY he is not that good at all. Le has looked pretty good except for the last minute of his first fight with Smith where he gassed. I think all you guys who think Silva is a level or two above Le should bet the hell out of him.

If this fight stays standing, Le has a great shot. He is a better stand up fighter than Bisping.

[sbjj]

I'm in no way trying to discredit Le as a striker. But his entire MMA career has been filled with hand picked opponents for him to knock down. Also, Wanderlei has knocked out technically superior strikers before, I'm not saying he will definitely do it here but acting like he has no chance is a stretch. He put it on Bisping pretty hard just last year and dropped him twice(who dropped Bisping with punches twice in one fight before?). I see no reason why he can't do it to Le, who isn't any faster than Bisping is, at 40 years old, and has spent most of his time making movies when he wasn't going 1-1 with Scott Smith in the last two years.

Who is saying he has no chance?

[poopoo333]

I don't know what to think of the fight, I just wanna see Wandy KO my uncle

[sbjj]

I don't know what to think of the fight, I just wanna see Wandy KO my uncle

I'm with ya. It is a close fight. Wand will have the power. Le will have the technical edge. Both have chin questions. What if Wand goes for takedowns?

I just give Le a slight edge as I can see him just simply picking Wand apart like Franklin.

[poopoo333]

^^pretty much my thoughts exactly

[zY|]

Dana looking extra Uncle Festerish in that Shogun/Hendo face-off.

[poopoo333]

Cung Le/Wandy -115/-115 opener

[SPX]

Predictions on what happens with that line? I hope money comes in on Silva. . .

[mike]

what's everyone's thought on the Weidman-Lawlor fight ? I like lawlor at +300. Lawlor's hands are faster and more powerful than Weidman. Wrestling, I think Lawlor can keep it standing til he's gassed out. Only thing that worries me is that he doesnt have the gas tank to go 3 hard rounds with Weidman.
I like Story at -150 but probably gonna use the live betting and see how the first round goes, see both fighter's game plans.
Bonnar over Kingsbury
Tibau will probably overpower dos anjos to the ground and win a dec.

[poopoo333]

I think Weidman runs away with it, Lawlor's best chance is to win the striking early. I think Weidman's grappling is on another level and it seems to be carrying over in MMA well.

Story/Kampmann is close, not too sure who I like in that one. Story ends up on his back a lot for a wrestler but his game plans seem to be the ones that Kampmann loses to.

Why do you like Bonnar over Kingsbury? I think Kingsbury will be able to take Bonnar down and control him and keep it close/maybe even do better on the feet. I would like to see Bonnar win though.

I like Tibau too.

[SPX]

I think Bonnar will probably come in as a dog and be worth a play. Kingsbury has a shitty gas tank. And really, I just don't think he's that great. I could see Bonnar taking over in rds 2 and 3 and winning a decision.

I agree Tibau should take it. Guida started winning once he started going for takedowns and I imagine the bigger, stronger Tibau can do the same.

[mike]

how do you see Weidman winning this fight by? I really doubt he can submit or KO Lawlor. But i didnt see Lawlor's last loss where he got choked out. How did that happen? was he hurt standing or he just got choked out by a better grappler ? I thought Lawlor won the fight vs Aaron Simpson. Simpson is somewhat similar to Weidman.

the way i see it, Kampman is very skilled but doesnt do very well against the in-ur-face pressure type of fighter. That's Rick Story. Kapmmann, with all that talent, doesnt seem to take a punch very well. Story can just implement the same game plan he did vs Alves except he can seriously hurt Kampmann standing. Story can take a good punch too.

I think Kingsbury's advantage is that he's a huge, powerful LHW and that's IT. He's not technically sound with his striking or wrestling and he slows down after 1 round. Bonnar has better stand up, improve tdd (just from my vague memory) and he's very tough to finish. If he can survive round one, i think he can take round 2 and 3 when Kingsbury slows down. I need to rewatch Kingsbury's last fight 1 more time, but i remember i wasnt very impressed with him when i saw that fight live.

[mike]

well, i guess I agree with spx on the Kingsbury/Bonnar fight. Didnt see his post b4 i posted mine haha

[Vandelay]

Lawlor gassed to shit against doerksen. He destroyed him the first rd and then ran out of gas looking for the finish. I think weidman is way overated.

[SPX]

I remember reading that Lawlor said he was expending too much energy during his elaborate entrances. He did away with that for the Cote fight and stayed strong the whole the through. Would the result be the same if he was fighting someone who could wrestle him back? Dunno. . . But it's something to consider.

[mike]

i remember seeing his weigh in vs Cote and thought he must be on ped. he was in fantastic shape. but yeah he was the one setting the pace in that fight.

[poopoo333]

i remember seeing his weigh in vs Cote and thought he must be on ped. he was in fantastic shape. but yeah he was the one setting the pace in that fight.

During the fight I thought this as well.






MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)


Dan Henderson vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
Cung Le vs. Wanderlei Silva
Brian Bowles vs. Urijah Faber
Martin Kampmann vs. Rick Story
Stephan Bonnar vs. Kyle Kingsbury

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)


Ryan Bader vs. Jason Brilz
Tom Lawlor vs. Chris Weidman

PRELIMINARY CARD

Nick Pace vs. Miguel Torres
Rafael dos Anjos vs. Gleison Tibau
Michael McDonald vs. TBA
Seth Baczynski vs. Matt Brown
Shamar Bailey vs. Danny Castillo

[SPX]

This card fucking owns.

BTW, thoughts on Bader/Brilz? My initial reaction is that Bader wins, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see Brilz take it.

[poopoo333]

Bader takes it easy.

[SPX]

He may take it, but I don't think he's just going to blow through Brilz.

[poopoo333]

Newcomer Alex Soto meets Michael McDonald at next week's UFC 139 event (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26012/newcomer-alex-soto-meets-michael-mcdonald-at-next-weeks-ufc-139-event.mma)

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4420.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

If I can get Bonnar at that price then I'll take him.

[poopoo333]

This event is coming up quick...it's a week from Saturday. I still don't know what to think about Shogun/Hendo.

[poopoo333]

Is anybody here betting on Wandy/Le? It's a hard fight to cap for me but I am leaning Le.

Faber/Bowles is a tough one as well..it might be pretty even on the feet, but I don't think anybody has ever outgrappled Bowles...will Faber be able to wrestle his way to a decision?

Thoughts on Story/Kampmann? If Kampmann puts everything together and finally fixes his fight IQ I think he will be able to beat Story by getting TDs of his own from the clinch..Story has strong offensive wrestling in the clinch/against the cage, but he does end up on his back often from that position.

I think Kingsbury takes 2 of 3 rounds against Bonnar, but it's a risky bet if Kingsbury gasses out again..Bonnar can always turn it up and get the late finish.

I think Bader beats Brilz by having the better wrestling/hands.

Michael McDonald is good but I don't know anything about Alex Soto (who is taking the fight on like 9 days notice)

I think Weidman outgrapples Lawlor to a decision

Tibau should beat RDA with top control/being fucking huge

I don't know much about Nick Pace...is Torres gonna beat him?

Baczynski/Matt Brown is gonna be a good fight...Baczynski is huge and looked great against Harvison..not sure about this one

If Shamar Bailey comes to grapple and not to fight he may have the edge over Danny Castillo...how good is Bailey's wrestling/overall grappling compared to Volkmann's? Volkmann did great against Castillo

[Thewisemann]

Bowles, Kampmann and Bonnar are all good dog bets. Hendo is gonna fuck Shogun up.

[SPX]

I'm really not sure I agree about Bowles. In fact, I've already placed my bet on Faber.

[poopoo333]

I'm really not sure I agree about Bowles. In fact, I've already placed my bet on Faber.

Just wondering what your breakdown is/how you think the styles match up? I really have no idea what to think of this fight

[SPX]

You know, I knew someone was going to ask me that, and I can't come up with much beyond "Faber being Faber."

I just think that he'll find a way to win, probably by pushing the pace and, I believe, landing takedowns. Bowles hasn't faced anyone with Faber's wrestling skills so . . . basically I'm betting on Faber being the better grappler.

[Ludo]

the fights with Wineland and Cruz are why I put something on Faber already as well. Bowles is good but Faber is probably the second fastest guy in the division behind Mouse. It isn't often someone slips Wineland and lands on him or Cruz the way Faber was. Bowles has power in his hands but I just see him being a half step behind all fight long.

[SPX]

That's pretty much how I see it, too. It's not a fight I'm super-confident in, but I thought it was worth a bet.

[Ludo]

That's pretty much how I see it, too. It's not a fight I'm super-confident in, but I thought it was worth a bet.

Obviously it only takes one punch from Bowles to turn things around but Faber should come out of this with the win. He's faced and beaten better all around fighters as well as better wrestlers and better strikers respectively whereas Bowles hasn't faced anyone like Faber other than Cruz yet.

[MMA_scientist]

Is anybody here betting on Wandy/Le? It's a hard fight to cap for me but I am leaning Le.

not even going to try to pick that one, but I lean Wand just because he has actually won fights against A level fighters at some point in his career.


Faber/Bowles is a tough one as well..it might be pretty even on the feet, but I don't think anybody has ever outgrappled Bowles...will Faber be able to wrestle his way to a decision?

Faber likes to mix it up lately, preferring to strike then try to score with takedowns. I don't see why Faber is such a favorite, Bowles is just as good as Faber IMO, and he hits a lot harder.


Thoughts on Story/Kampmann? If Kampmann puts everything together and finally fixes his fight IQ I think he will be able to beat Story by getting TDs of his own from the clinch..Story has strong offensive wrestling in the clinch/against the cage, but he does end up on his back often from that position.
I think Story will win. Kampmann has lost t o every fighter that brings the pressure to him, which is what Story will do.


I think Kingsbury takes 2 of 3 rounds against Bonnar, but it's a risky bet if Kingsbury gasses out again..Bonnar can always turn it up and get the late finish.
Bonnar is a survivor, he is hard as hell to finish. He also has a great gas tank. Horse steroids > human steroids. I am with you here, I think Kingsbury is probably better in round one... but I think Bonnar is more technically skilled and can take over once the initial burst of speed and power goes away. I think it is a pretty even fight.


I think Bader beats Brilz by having the better wrestling/hands.
Probably, but Bader bitched out on that guillotine choke to Tito and Brilz has a super tight one. Bader should win by just keeping it standing, but I think Brilz could submit him.



Michael McDonald is good but I don't know anything about Alex Soto (who is taking the fight on like 9 days notice)

tried to find some info on him. He is not a wrestler or come from any strong MA background. He fought to a draw in his last fight but most of his wins come over guys with winning records, although being a winning MMA fighter in Mexico is not a big deal IMO. Here is highlight vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9QeikZMafU

Anyway, McDonald should win easy.



Weidman outgrapples Lawlor to a decision.

Agree. Lawlor could force a stand up fight for a while, but Weidman survived Sakara in his UFC debut, I think he can survive Lawlor. It could be tough going for a round, but I think Weidman will grind out a decision.


Tibau should beat RDA with top control/being fucking huge

Agreed. I got Tibau in that one.


I don't know much about Nick Pace...is Torres gonna beat him?

Pace is pretty tough, but Torres is going to beat him IMO. Torres has him beat everywhere.


Baczynski/Matt Brown is gonna be a good fight...Baczynski is huge and looked great against Harvison..not sure about this one

Who cares. I also don't bet against Matt Brown anymore.



If Shamar Bailey comes to grapple and not to fight he may have the edge over Danny Castillo...how good is Bailey's wrestling/overall grappling compared to Volkmann's? Volkmann did great against Castillo

Bailey is not as good as Volkmann IMO, but does have better standup. I think Bailey will do the same thing Volkmann did.

[edman5555]

weidman/lawlor...weidman is still pretty new. Lawlor has some power in his hands as well. He will also be harder to take down than Sakara.

[MMA_scientist]

weidman/lawlor...weidman is still pretty new. Lawlor has some power in his hands as well. He will also be harder to take down than Sakara.

Probably, but he is also more dangerous standing. I don't think Weidman's line is right, but I do think he will win.

[Thewisemann]

anyone betting Shogun?

[poopoo333]

^^if so, why do people here like Shogun in this fight? I am leaning Hendo

[Vandelay]

Light Heavyweight bout: MaurÃ*cio Rua vs. Dan Henderson------------No idea yet. Decision dan gonna show up here?
Middleweight bout: Wanderlei Silva vs. Cung Le------------At this price, i would take wand.
Bantamweight bout: Urijah Faber vs. Brian Bowles------------I think faber is better everywhere.
Welterweight bout: Martin Kampmann vs. Rick Story-----------Story should win based on pressure and pace set, but Kampann has fought two wrestlers prior to him and has developed some good tdd.
Light Heavyweight bout: Stephan Bonnar vs. Kyle Kingsbury-----------Eh, tough one. I'll have to look at this one more.

Preliminary card (televised)

Light Heavyweight bout: Ryan Bader vs. Jason Brilz-----------Brilz at anything over 200.
Middleweight bout: Tom Lawlor vs. Chris Weidman------------Lawlor for sure. Line is way off. Lawlor has heavy hands and good wrestling. Weidman has beaten two guys that he matched up favorably with and all of a sudden he deserves these type of lines. ok.

Preliminary card

Bantamweight bout: Michael McDonald vs. Alex Soto------------McDonald based on him having beaten better guys. Never seen Soto fight though.
Lightweight bout: Gleison Tibau vs. Rafael dos Anjos-----------Definitely Dos Anjos in this one. Better striking, better jj, and should have good enough wrestling to nullify Tibau
Bantamweight bout: Miguel Torres vs. Nick Pace---------------Torres will probably win, but the line will suck.
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs. Seth Baczynski------------Don't know much about Baczynski, probably will just stay away.
Lightweight bout: Shamar Bailey vs. Danny Castillo-----------Definitely like Castillo in this one, dont think bailey is very good at all. Hopefully line comes out around a pick' em

Definitely going to be parlaying Sandro and Lombard next week in bellator too.

[Thewisemann]

I like Hendo, just put a unit on em and half a unit on Bowles

[MMA_scientist]

I like Shogun. I may bet him. I think he is a better striker and more versatile. Really Hendo was getting beat my Bisping before the death punch. Fedor dropped him. I just think Shogun is better. Hendo has the wrestling though, but he never uses it and when he does he gasses out.

[edman5555]

Tough call. Hendo is enticing at +120 though. He has the wrestling but like you said he never uses it. Who knows if he will against shogun. That said, Shoguns kryptonite is wrestling.. Coleman almost beat him. Shoguns striking is better though. He also has good subs from his back, at least he has that go for broke mentality about them. That kinda makes it hard to bet this fight IMO.

Kampmann/Story: I dont really want to touch this one. Story is bad for Kampman wrestling wise. Kampmann is probably the better striker. This kinda reminds me of Story/Alves. Story only one that 29-28 though. Also, Kampmann has a good guillotine which could be trouble for story.

I will be on Lawlor for 1u pending some research.

Bonnar/kings and Wand/Le are tossups IMO

I feel like Faber has gone from overrated to underrated. That said Bowels has KO power. I'm not sure about this one. I will probably be on Faber but I have some work to do.

[Vandelay]

is the shogun fight 5 rds?

[Ludo]

I actually have 3.9u on Shogun currently because the last outing saw Hendo buckled and put on the ropes by punches from Fedor. In My opinion Shogun hits every bit as hard and he won't fall prey to that kind of reverse if he has Hendo scrambling after being dropped by strikes. Shogun may just be able to be the first guy to TKO Hendo.

[zY|]

Shogun will also probably be able to put Hendo on his back if he wants.

[Ludo]

is the shogun fight 5 rds?

It would have to be since it's the main event.

[SPX]

Tough call. Hendo is enticing at +120 though. He has the wrestling but like you said he never uses it. Who knows if he will against shogun.

He did use his wrestling against Feijao, so if he feels it's smart to do so, I don't think it's out of the question that he will in this fight, too.

[Ludo]

He did use his wrestling against Feijao, so if he feels it's smart to do so, I don't think it's out of the question that he will in this fight, too.

Let's not forget that Hendo's brand of wrestling isn't even close to being the same as what Colemans was. Coleman was strictly a takedown guy with top control. He was all about the shot and advancing position to deliver ground and pound while avoiding submissions. Hendo hasn't really ever been very interested in spending large portions of time on the ground except maybe the Vitor fight. I do think he'll try to use it at times but he's not going to be looking to take Rua down too much given the submission threat so much as he will be trying to slow things down and control the aggression of Shogun, alot like he was doing with Fedor.

[Thewisemann]

Anybody wants to bet Lawlor, Faber, Shogun or Story PM me. I like the odds on Bowles as I only give Faber a slight edge, and at + odds Kampmann is a good bet, i think he has a slight edge over Story. Hendo is gonna kick Shoguns ass and Weidman may just dominate Lawlor.

[Ludo]

Anybody wants to bet Lawlor, Faber, Shogun or Story PM me. I like the odds on Bowles as I only give Faber a slight edge, and at + odds Kampmann is a good bet, i think he has a slight edge over Story. Hendo is gonna kick Shoguns ass and Weidman may just dominate Lawlor.

You got your own book open now?

[edman5555]

I disagree about shogun having much of a chance to outwrestle hendo..and hendo can reverse shogun. That is using wrestling. I think shogun might be able to sub hendo on the ground though. Standing shogun should have the advantage.

[Vandelay]

magic prop parlay should be back for this card. not hendo, le, story, bowles, kingsbu, and bader by sub. Mayb leave story out. could always add a bellator fight into this one.

[zY|]

I disagree about shogun having much of a chance to outwrestle hendo..and hendo can reverse shogun. That is using wrestling. I think shogun might be able to sub hendo on the ground though. Standing shogun should have the advantage.

Outwrestle? Certainly not. But don't think Shogun can't take him down. Shogun has taken down everybody he's fought except Machida and Jones. Hendo gets taken down by just about everyone because he overextends himself on punches and his defensive wrestling is quite poor. He was taken down by Shields basically every time he tried. He was also taken down by Shogun's own brother Ninja (LOL), Murilo Bustamante, and other guys he shouldn't be taken down by. He was also slammed a few times by the silverback Paul Harris.

[zY|]

Nvm. Shogun is getting KOd by a geriatric and it's all Luke's fault.

[edman5555]

Yeah I guess your right. I thought you meant that Hendo couldn't outwrestle Shogun. I think he can. That said, Shogun could land some TD's on Hendo. Anything is possible, but the clear wrestling edge goes to Hendo.

[MMA_scientist]

magic prop parlay should be back for this card. not hendo, le, story, bowles, kingsbu, and bader by sub. Mayb leave story out. could always add a bellator fight into this one.

Yep, should be able to piece something together for this card. Magic Parlay has been on sabbatical, though the 2011 parlay rolls on...

[poopoo333]

Anybody think Hendo/Shogun can go all 5? It's +250

Kingsbury/Bonnar goes distance is @-165..I like that.

Silva/Le doesn't go distance -280....anybody like that? Might parlay that with something..possibly Weidman or Bader.

[Vandelay]

I do like the kingsbu distance line

[SPX]

. . . though the 2011 parlay rolls on...

How does the 2011 parlay work again?

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/424.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

Baczynski +165? Bailey +280??

the fuck?

[SPX]

Was hoping to get Tibau at a better price, but I'm not surprised. If RDA hits +200 I'll bet him.

[MMA_scientist]

I still like Tibau at -215. Tibau has good takedowns and he should be able to handle RDA's jj. Standing, I think it is even, RDA has the leg kicks, but Tinau has more power.

I like Bailey at those odds. I think Basynski has value too. I wanted to bet Torres, but I thought he would be like -200...

[SPX]

Bonnar's line has gotten gay. I was really hoping to get him at +150 or better. +105 sucks.

I think he will win, though.

[poopoo333]

Then bet him

[sbjj]

Yea, if a guy you think is going to win has a plus next to his name. Think of it as a gift.

[SPX]

Yeah, I'm just not sure, though. It's more of a suspicion than a real belief. Flashbacks to him getting outwrestled for 3 rounds by Coleman give me pause.

I liked the opening line a lot . . . not so much +105.

[sbjj]

Yeah, I'm just not sure, though. It's more of a suspicion than a real belief. Flashbacks to him getting outwrestled for 3 rounds by Coleman give me pause.

I liked the opening line a lot . . . not so much +105.

Yea, I hear ya. For such a big strong looking dude he does get taken down alot. I just think he is going to set a pace that is going to tire him out pretty quick.

[poopoo333]

Yea, if a guy you think is going to win has a plus next to his name. Think of it as a gift.

Yeah, I am still mad that I didn't put like 5u on Perosh over Diabate. I thought he should be like -150 and the internet made me puss out by talking about Perosh's weak takedowns and shit.

[poopoo333]

Yea, I hear ya. For such a big strong looking dude he does get taken down alot. I just think he is going to set a pace that is going to tire him out pretty quick.

Bonnar is going to be the biggest LHW Kingsbury has fought, so he might not be able to bully him around like usual. That could be a factor. I originally really liked Kingsbury in this fight but my confidence in him has been shooting down

[mike]

i really like Matt Brown at -160. Seth Baczynski, i only saw his fight with clay Harvison but didnt see the Brad Tavares fight. He's a big welter but i dont see anything stand out about him. I think Matt Brown beats him everywhere. Tempted to make a bet now cuz dont know which way odds is going.

[Svino]

Yeah, I am still mad that I didn't put like 5u on Perosh over Diabate. I thought he should be like -150 and the internet made me puss out by talking about Perosh's weak takedowns and shit.

Sorry. :-(

[SPX]

Svino . . . always an asshole.

[SPX]

Boom!

Just took Tibau at -165 for enough to win a unit.
Dropped .5u on Bonnar at +130.
And .25u a piece on Lawlor and Brilz at +275 and +300, respectively.

[poopoo333]

Sorry. :-(

It wasn't just you...it was the entire internet.

[SPX]

It wasn't just you...it was the entire internet.

Especially this damned place. . .

www.cross-stitching.com

[Ludo]

Bonnar is going to be the biggest LHW Kingsbury has fought, so he might not be able to bully him around like usual. That could be a factor. I originally really liked Kingsbury in this fight but my confidence in him has been shooting down

Even if he can get the clinch over and over Bonnar likes the clinch as well and would do the same thing if not more than Maldanado did. Kingsbury will slow down considerably if the fight goes into the second and third rounds at the pace Bonnar likes to push. When that happens Bonnar could really turn it up. Money on Bonnar.

[poopoo333]

Especially this damned place. . .

www.cross-stitching.com (http://www.cross-stitching.com)

Repped, bitch.

[Vandelay]

Even if he can get the clinch over and over Bonnar likes the clinch as well and would do the same thing if not more than Maldanado did. Kingsbury will slow down considerably if the fight goes into the second and third rounds at the pace Bonnar likes to push. When that happens Bonnar could really turn it up. Money on Bonnar.

Kinda how i see it goin as well. Doubt kingsbu finishes him. I think Bonnar can outgrapple him similar to how maldanado did. and all maldanado had was a guillotine.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SMz8YmhzCXI#!

[SPX]

Fuck him. War Bonnar

[sbjj]

Having a tough time with Kingsbury-Bonnar. On one hand I see a guy who is very flawed and just not that good(kingsbury). On the other hand I see a fighter who I think is decent, has a ton of heat, but is very inconsistant(Bonnar). Probably a no bet. But the guy with the + next to his name would seem the way to go.

I have a new philosophy. Anytime a guy is a decent favorite but has shown that he is inconsistant I will bet against him. i think Tibau falls into this category. I think Dos Anjos might be worth a look. But the line seems to be already moving. Same could be said about Castillo and Brown.

[edman5555]

A lot of decent dogs on this one. Bailey and brilz both have good shots.

[sbjj]

Faber-Torres parlay?

[poopoo333]

In an interview Wandy said the best way to fight Le would be to take it to the ground...so that might be his gameplan FWIW. If that is, and he can't get the sub or finish from the top, Wandy by decision +600 has value imo

[SPX]

Well at least he wants to fight smart.

Speaking of that fight, Le is now decidedly the favorite. I can't say I'm surprised, but I was hoping the situation would be reversed. At this point the fight is probably unbettable. Not seeing any value in either guy.

[poopoo333]

http://bjpenn.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/hendo-shogunstare1.jpg

[MMABuddha]

I don't think Lawlor will win but he has a far better chance than the odds suggest. He's a good puncher with fast hands and he's proven to be able to knock around a really good wrestler in the past when he fought Simpson. Weidman lost the first round against Sakara, dumb judges aside. The only issue here is that lawlor is pretty much guaranteed to wilt in the second round as his cardio is weak and Weidman would probably be able to bully him around for the decision if not a late TKO/sub. Still, I think the hype on Weidman has caused that line to be fatter than it should be.

I really like the line on Story/Kampmann. Story has a really good chin, Kampmann has no power and backs up against aggressive strikers. He tends to fade under pressure and Story is one of the best pressure fighters in the division. I don't see him stopping the takedown, especially against a guy as mentally tough as Story. I'm really surprised is as close as it is.

A lot of question marks about Cung Le, as he's a solid striker and will probably be motivated for the fight considering that it's in his hometown (adopted or not) and his first chance to show his skills to a greater audience but I'm not sure about the level of his competition. Still, I'm confident because he does have power, is quick and agile and Wanderlei is D-O-N-E. This guy should not be fighting, his chin has been gone for awhile now. Also, Wanderlei won't be able to take him down, Le is actually a good wrestler. As a big fan of the Axe Murderer from his heyday this is sad to see but it is what it is.

I think Hendo will win but there are too many variables to scare me away from that fight (Shogun's injury woes and whether or not they're still there, five rounds, Hendo shitting the bed when you least expect him to because he has the same strategy for every fight, etc.)

I'd feel pretty comfortable betting on Story and Le at those lines though. We'll see how that turns out, since I have no actual money riding I kind of hope I'm wrong on the latter pick just because I'm tired of seeing Wanderlei get KTFO.

[Vandelay]

I wouldnt say his cardio is that bad. He gasses when he tries to finish someone (e.g. doerksen, simpson).

[SPX]

He also said that he was expelling a lot of energy during his elaborate entrances and gassing himself out.

He did away with the crazy shit when he fought Frenchy and he went three rounds strong.

[MMABuddha]

Fair enough, never saw the Cote fight. Also, lol at the idea that his entrances being a reason behind his shit cardio. What a doofus. Anyway, that makes me much more confident in him. His striking will make it difficult for Weidman to get inside, and he's got a solid wrestling background that will help him if Weidman does grab ahold of him.

[Vandelay]

full props out for wand and shogun fights.

[MMA_scientist]

It is the day before the fight and the full props still aren't out. I think 5d is specifically waiting until the last minute just to screw me. They used to release the props early in the week.

[MMA_scientist]

Faber-Torres parlay?

Just pulled the trigger on Torres/McDonald.

[sbjj]

Just pulled the trigger on Torres/McDonald.

What price did you get for it?

[MMA_scientist]

What price did you get for it?

-390 for McDonald
-360 for Torres

-165 together

[MMA_scientist]

Talked to 5d, they said the full props will be out tonight or in AM.

I am probably going to do not Hendo/Le/Bader/Kingsbury/Story/Bowles by submission. With 6 fights and 3 underdogs, hopefully it will come in less than -400

2011 locks parlay: not Kingsbury by submission + not Le by submission

[MMA_scientist]

full props out for main card and spike prelims

[edman5555]

full props on everything..

[SPX]

Full props on your mom.

[poopoo333]

Did anybody watch the weigh ins? Lawlor's entrance was hilarious

[poopoo333]

I'm probably gonna parlay Torres/McDonald

[Luke]

Props on SPX's mom

[SPX]

Props on YOUR fucking mom, faggot!

[poopoo333]

Props on SPX's mom

SPX's Mom is fucking 8 guys at once now -50000

[poopoo333]

SPX's Mom is fucking 8 guys at once now -50000

50,000u to win 1u on SPX's Mom is fucking 8 guys at once now

[SPX]

50,000u to win 1u that PP's dad is getting raped by 3 men right now and loving it.

[sbjj]

Does the fact that Pace came in 6 lbs. heavy and DID NOT even attempt to lose weight concern anyone. If I was Torres I would have demanded he cut to 138 or 137.

[SPX]

Concerned in what sense? Are you saying that it may have been his plan to come in heavy as fuck so that he'd have a definite size advantage?

[sbjj]

Concerned in what sense? Are you saying that it may have been his plan to come in heavy as fuck so that he'd have a definite size advantage?

Plan or not. 6 lbs. is a fuckin brick for 135 lbers. Is he gonna come into the cage like Alves did against Hughes?

[SPX]

You never know how that's going to turn out.

He could come in looking particularly beastly or he could come in looking like he didn't train and doesn't give a fuck.

[sbjj]

He looked in good shape. And he came in heavy in a fight not to long ago. I just think he is a big guy that hates to cut(like Alves). I think it is complete Bullshit that he was not MADE to cut at least down to 138.

[poopoo333]

Everybody make picks regardless of the odds:

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)


Dan Henderson vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua ...really hung up on this so I went with the wrestler
Cung Le vs. Wanderlei Silva
Brian Bowles vs. Urijah Faber
Martin Kampmann vs. Rick Story
Stephan Bonnar vs. Kyle Kingsbury

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)


Ryan Bader vs. Jason Brilz
Michael McDonald vs. Alex Soto

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)


Tom Lawlor vs. Chris Weidman
Nick Pace vs. Miguel Torres
Rafael dos Anjos vs. Gleison Tibau
Seth Baczynski vs. Matt Brown
Shamar Bailey vs. Danny Castillo