Strikeforce Semi Finals of HW GP

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4125.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4126.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

I want to bet Barnett but I am not sure if his line is going to get better or worse.

[Ludo]

It's probably going to get worse. Kharitonov is almost as bad on the ground as Rogers. I'd bet it for at least a unit now if you can.

[Mr. IWS]

I like Silva as a dog there. I love reem, but that nigga is suspect.

[poopoo333]

5.1u on Barnett and 0.75u on Bigfoot

[Luke]

I'll be on Bigfoot at those odds ,had my line at -140 . Barnett may go up a little but I dont think it will go much past -300

[Mr. IWS]

Im liking Barnett as well now that I look at that one.

[poopoo333]

I'll be on Bigfoot at those odds ,had my line at -140 . Barnett may go up a little but I dont think it will go much past -300

Was your line -140 for Ubereem or Bigfoot?

[AC88]

Bigfoot is a great dog. I'm liking Barnett too at that line for sure.

[SPX]

2.55u on Barnett, 1u on Bigfoot.

Let the raping commence.

[poopoo333]

I am thinking about betting more on Bigfoot. The value is there @+180 imo considering I thought the line should be something like -175 Ubereem.

[SPX]

I actually think Bigfoot should be the favorite. In fact, I put a bet on him to win the whole thing at +325.

[poopoo333]

I actually think Bigfoot should be the favorite. In fact, I put a bet on him to win the whole thing at +325.

And you only went 1u on him at +180?

[Luke]

Was your line -140 for Ubereem or Bigfoot?

Reem -140

[poopoo333]

Reem -140

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[Luke]

Off Topic thread locked -1000000000



Whoops...............

[SPX]

And you only went 1u on him at +180?

Well you know me, I'm pretty conservative. . .

[Ludo]

I wouldn't go as far as to say Reem should be the dog against Bigfoot but the line is off to be honest. I'd have placed Allistair at around -120 ish. This fight is definitely alot closer than the lines indicate. I'll probably put something on Bigfoot because he has the tools to win this fight. His takedowns are better, his chin is good and he brings much more power to his strikes than Werdum did.

[poopoo333]

Sources: Strikeforce grand prix semifinals set for Sept. 10 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24404/sources-strikeforce-grand-prix-semifinals-set-for-sept-10.mma)



Nice. A lot sooner than I thought.

[edman5555]

I am not sold on Bigfoot just yet. I think he is overrated due to the fact that he bet Fedor. I know how that sounds, but he would not have won that without the 70 pound weight advantage that he had.

[edman5555]

I think the standup will be pretty one sided, favoring Alistair. Beyond that, I am not sure that he can wrestle Reem around successfuly. He might have trouble with that.

[poopoo333]

I think if Silva initiates the grappling in round 1, round 2 and 3 will be close with Silva having the edge.,

[MMA_scientist]

Reem might be able to handle him on the ground...Bigfoot also gets tagged a lot on his feet. Fedor hit him a lot, Kyle dropped him.

That said, I am not sold on Overeem. I know Bigfoot is solid, I just don't know how his takedowns are going to stack up. I will be on Bigfoot. He takes roids too so he should be able to cancel out the strength.

[poopoo333]

Overeem says he has not agreed to Sep. 10 bout in Strikeforce GP, and won't agree to it. Too soon. He wants October.


Overeem also says Zuffa has threatened to remove him from the tournament if he won't take the Sept. fight.


.,dgmsbvacXs

[Thewisemann]

UFC needs to rush these semiannually cuz they need the winner of the grand prix to be the next challenger to UFC Title

[SPX]

This tournament is disorganized and taking too fucking long. Each round should be 3 months apart.

After all, it's a fucking TOURNAMENT. Bellator knows how to do this shit right.

[Luke]

Overeem is out vs Bigfoot ......Cormier is in .

[SPX]

This whole thing just took a DRAMATIC turn for the gay.

[poopoo333]

Cormier is gonna win the whole thing. I just went to the props on BM hoping they didn't take anything down so I could bet on the unlisted field @+4000 but its down to +200 lol

[Luke]

Cormier is gonna win the whole thing. I just went to the props on BM hoping they didn't take anything down so I could bet on the unlisted field @+4000 but its down to +200 lol

That is the exact type of stuff that is getting you sent back on the boat

[SPX]

Cormier is gonna win the whole thing. I just went to the props on BM hoping they didn't take anything down so I could bet on the unlisted field @+4000 but its down to +200 lol

Foolishness. There is no way Cormier is ready for Bigfoot. I predict Cormier gets stopped in the first two rounds.

[poopoo333]

Well I hope everybody thinks like you do and I get Cormier as a dog.

[Svino]

Overeem is out vs Bigfoot ......Cormier is in .

Ugh, that's awful.

[SPX]

Well I hope everybody thinks like you do and I get Cormier as a dog.

You will.

[MMA_scientist]

that is horrible. Horrible.

I think Cormier will win though and I will take him here @ even or better.

[poopoo333]

that is horrible. Horrible.

I think Cormier will win though and I will take him here @ even or better.

Foolishness. There is no way Cormier is ready for Bigfoot. I predict Cormier gets stopped in the first two rounds.

[poopoo333]

White: Overeem still under contract with Strikeforce, will fight again when toe heals (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24461/white-overeem-still-under-contract-with-strikeforce-will-fight-again-when-toe-heals.mma)

[SPX]

I will be very surprised if Cormier beats Bigfoot.

He's too small, for one. He's also just very inexperienced. Bigfoot is a top 10--maybe even top 5--heavyweight.

[Luke]

White: Overeem still under contract with Strikeforce, will fight again when toe heals (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24461/white-overeem-still-under-contract-with-strikeforce-will-fight-again-when-toe-heals.mma)

when his TOE heels................BOL!!!!!!!!! ::lmao::

[poopoo333]

The only thing I am worried about is the size difference.

[poopoo333]

when his TOE heels................BOL!!!!!!!!! ::lmao::


HEELS

BOL!!!!!

[Luke]

HEELS

BOL!!!!!

Its amazing how big of douches you and Zy are that you feel the need to check everyone's forum posts like you're some kind of editor or something.............get a life

[SPX]

LOL

[poopoo333]

Its amazing how big of douches you and Zy are that you feel the need to check everyone's forum posts like you're some kind of editor or something.............get a life

oh here we go with the taking everything seriously stuff

[Luke]

oh here we go with the taking everything seriously stuff



I'm not mad it's just annoying after a long day.

[poopoo333]

I'm not mad it's just annoying after a long day.

oh ok. well the whole bolding (and usually increasing the font size) of a misspelled word is done on forums all over as a joke, I figured you would have seen it SOMEWHERE before.

[Luke]

BTW Cormier is about the size of Fedor is I remember correctly , no way I'd bet him unless he's big dog odds which I doubt .

[MMA_scientist]

Cormier will put him on his back. But yeah, Cormier is fat. He wrestled 184 at Oklahoma State.

[poopoo333]

Cormier was 240 against Monson (239.5 if you wanna get technical).

[Luke]

oh ok. well the whole bolding (and usually increasing the font size) of a misspelled word is done on forums all over as a joke, I figured you would have seen it SOMEWHERE before.


I've been here for 5 years and don't post other places so .......


BTW "Oh" and "Well" are the first words of your sentences,they should be capitalized . ::handshake::

[poopoo333]

I knew that was coming, I was even going to change it.

You should probably stray away from starting your sentences with acronyms, it looks bad.

[SPX]

Cormier was 240 against Monson (239.5 if you wanna get technical).

Cormier is an LHW stuck inside a HW's body.

[Luke]

Cormier was 240 against Monson (239.5 if you wanna get technical).



Want to ::handshake::

[Thewisemann]

First thought is Bigfoot should win, I would take Cormier as a decent size dog, but I'm thinking this line will be fairly snug, so it probably Bigfoot or nothing, maybe Cormier Dec.

[Luke]

First thought is Bigfoot should win, I would take Cormier as a decent size dog, but I'm thinking this line will be fairly snug, so it probably Bigfoot or nothing, maybe Cormier Dec.

Line guess?

[poopoo333]

Want to ::handshake::

It is amazing how big of douches you and Zy are that you feel the need to check everyone's forum posts like you're some kind of editor or something. Get a life.

[SPX]

I think Bigfoot opens at -250 or worse.

[poopoo333]

I think Bigfoot opens at -250 or worse.

Seriously? If he opened at -150, how much would you bet on him?

[Luke]

I think Bigfoot opens at -250 or worse.

If that's the line I'll be on Cormier .

[Luke]

It is amazing how big of douches you and Zy are that you feel the need to check everyone's forum posts like you're some kind of editor or something. Get a life.


Annoying, isn't it?

[SPX]

Seriously? If he opened at -150, how much would you bet on him?

Dunno. Maybe 2u. I usually just try to make a unit and some change on every bet.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Bigfoot -150 or less. People believe in wrestlers and Cormier is the very best one in that division. He has enough fights and he has never even been in trouble in a fight. He has a clear path to victory as well. Bigfoot may wear him down, but he may wear down himself dealing with the wrestling.

[poopoo333]

If that's the line I'll be on Cormier .

Me too. If Cormier is anything better than even I am betting 5u on it.

There isn't supposed to be a space between the last word of your sentence and the period.

Ok, I am done now, it's getting old. ::clap::

[poopoo333]

I think Bigfoot -150 or less. People believe in wrestlers and Cormier is the very best one in that division. He has enough fights and he has never even been in trouble in a fight. He has a clear path to victory as well. Bigfoot may wear him down, but he may wear down himself dealing with the wrestling.

I honestly think the line will be around even at opening, and I really won't be surprised at all if Cormier ends up a slight favorite. I am one of those people that believe in wrestlers (most of the time) and it's been working out for me for the most part. It's obvious that the books are starting to see the light on wrestlers too and are adjusting the lines as such.

[poopoo333]

Scientist, I thought Cormier wrestled at 211.

[Vandelay]

How does silva win this? Cormier will decide where the fight takes place. Silva will not take him down unless he clips him, cormier is alot faster and more diverse striking, an aka member has already fought against silva so they will be getting first hand knowledge, honestly the only advantage silva has are size which is negated by cormiers wrestling and jui jitsu which he uses more for position and defense.

[SPX]

Silva wins by Hulk Smash on Cormier's face.

[MMA_scientist]

Scientist, I thought Cormier wrestled at 211.

Not in college. I remember him losing to Cael in the finals, and Cael wrested 84. That was his senior year.

http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/235032-throwback-thursdays/video/203630-184lbs-cael-sanderson-iowa-state-vs-daniel-cormier-oklahoma-state

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Cormier could definitely make 205, make even 185. You can see what his build looked like when he wasn't fat in that video. He still had a little to lose at 184.

[poopoo333]

Hypothetically: How does Cormier/Barnett play out?

[trotterz]

IMO Cormier wins the whole tournament.
Barnett would be a MUCH MUCH easyer fight for him than bigfoot.

[poopoo333]

-Ronaldo Souza vs. Luke Rockhold (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/758/strikeforce-event-ronaldo-souza-vs-luke-rockhold) - Strikeforce middleweight championship
-Josh Barnett vs. Sergei Kharitonov (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/924/strikeforce-event-josh-barnett-vs-sergei-kharitonov) - Heavyweight GP semifinal
-Antonio Silva vs. Daniel Cormier (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/923/strikeforce-event-daniel-cormier-vs-antonio-silva) - Heavyweight GP semifinal
-Roger Gracie vs. Muhammed Lawal (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/524/strikeforce-fedor-vs-henderson-roger-gracie-vs-muhammed-lawal)
-Josh Thomson vs. Maximo Blanco (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/731/strikeforce-event-maximo-blanco-vs-josh-thomson)
-Gegard Mousasi vs. Mike Kyle - (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/817/strikeforce-event-gegard-mousasi-vs-mike-kyle)not yet confirmed (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/817/strikeforce-event-gegard-mousasi-vs-mike-kyle)
-Evangelista Santos vs. Jordan Mein (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight/921/strikeforce-event-evangelista-santos-vs-jordan-mein)

[MMA_scientist]

IMO Cormier wins the whole tournament.
Barnett would be a MUCH MUCH easyer fight for him than bigfoot.

Cormier would/will beat Barnett IMO. Barnett can't fight off his back and he doesn't have the dangerous striking to make Cormier fear wading in. Hell, Cormier may even beat him standing. Bigfoot at least has big power, and if he might be able to sweep Cormier or put him on the cage. Barnett is just going to get out wrestled.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ That is a great card. I would buy that on PPV.

[MMA_scientist]

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/PQAAAOeOWiZAUHOPOhG7Y_kcb4ILqVvYOsqcpgmAeqeKEJhrWB 4WTnJpZxnJWEgwxhtfsiOPOciY62HZhJisvjxgJfgAm1T1UOY2 vATN8eaLwQKFO6LAYHBlPKsJ.jpg

WTF is up with Nog... he is bigger than Bigfoot. I think he finally gave in and started juicing. He gets all these tats and gets huge. Mid life crisis.

But look at the size of Bigfoot's fist. It is like twice Nog and JDS.

[poopoo333]

Ubereira.

[SPX]

He does look pretty fucking swoll.

[poopoo333]

Hopefully his newfound hugeness helps him whoop Schaub's ass.

[SPX]

That would be cool.

[Ludo]

Is it Me or does it look like there is something wrong with the camera angle there? Minotauro looks like he's at least an inch or two taller, and about twenty pounds heavier than Foot.

[poopoo333]

Marcos Rogerio 'Pezao' de Lima to Face Mike Kyle in Strikeforce September 10th (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/20/2285499/marcos-rogerio-pezao-de-lima-mike-kyle-strikeforce)

[SPX]

He does look pretty fucking swoll.

He also looks crazy as shit, by the way.

[Luke]

^^^^^^^^^^^ SPX is talking to himself ..............

[SPX]

Is that a problem?

[Luke]

Is that a problem?


Crazy...........

[sbjj]

He looks big because his shirt is on. He is actually pretty fat, and looks out of shape.

[poopoo333]

He looks big because his shirt is on. He is actually pretty fat, and looks out of shape.

Agreed

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4260.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)


All my money is tied up on Bookmaker so I could only put 1.25u on Cormier @+135. If he stays around there I will up it to 4 or 5u

[poopoo333]

Thinking about putting down another big Figueora like bet on Barnett here.

[edman5555]

Sergei is pretty good..he beat Overeem and Fabricio Werdum already. Bigfoot Silva is good as well and will have a very big size advantage over Cormier.

[trotterz]

what are your toughts about cormier vs. big foot?

[Mr. IWS]

Did anyone bet Overeem to win this thing? Wondering what happens to that bet.

[Ludo]

I would imagine it gets cancelled(I hope so anyway) since he wasn't eliminated by losing a fight.

[poopoo333]

You lose the bet.

[poopoo333]

Injury Knocks Josh Thomson Out of Strikeforce Bout With Maximo Blanco

...

[sbjj]

Thinking about putting down another big Figueora like bet on Barnett here.

LOL. I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of Schaub this weekend, and then Barnett after.

[poopoo333]

LOL. I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of Schaub this weekend, and then Barnett after.

Yeah I want to go big on Schaub too but for some reason I am having trouble doing it. I got a little over 4u on him but I hedged it with Nog by sub @+600.

[SPX]

I already have a bet on Barnett, but I wouldn't be totally shocked if he lost.

[poopoo333]

The Sergei/Monson fight just keeps reminding me Sergei shouldn't win.

[SPX]

I don't think Sergei will win. But it's not at all outside of the realm of possibility that he finds a way to knock Barnett out.

[poopoo333]

If Sergei KOs Barnett from his back I will be amazed.

[SPX]

All fights start on the feet.

[Ludo]

Injury Knocks Josh Thomson Out of Strikeforce Bout With Maximo Blanco

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/211931/932do.jpg

[Vandelay]

bunch of close fights on this card. I like barnett, cormier, gracie, mein, and kyle

[poopoo333]

^^me too, except for Mo-Gracie. I kind of think King Mo is gonna blast Gracie's head off. Jacare is probably a lock.

[Vandelay]

I think gracie has good striking. he relies on leaning back to avoid getting hit, we shall see if mo can catch him.

[MMA_scientist]

Mo can't strike either, at least Roger is tall.

[Vandelay]

Who are u taking in that one scientist?

[poopoo333]

Ok this card needs to start my comeback...August wiped my profits out for the year and then some.

[mike]

pp, you think jacara is a lock? unless he can take Rockhold down with ease, he might have problem standing with Rockhold. Rockhold is tall and has power. Jacara, from what i remember, is explosive with his takedown but I havent seen much of him.

[poopoo333]

I think Jacare is just on another level grappling. I think he should be able to get Rockhold down...Rockhold is a relatively new fighter, hasn't fought in well over a year, and is fighting a top 10 middleweight for a championship, so he is gonna have a lot of pressure that he might not be able to deal with well. I will probably parlay Jacare with Kyle or Feijao. Or all three.

[mike]

yeah Jacara is way better in grappling but his chin is weak. maybe i'm just chicken out when it comes to guys without a solid chin.

[MMA_scientist]

Who are u taking in that one scientist?

Roger. But I admit that I am not level headed here. If I were looking at it clearly, I would have to admit that Roger is going to have a lot of trouble getting Mo down. Roger's boxing is not good, he is slow and doesn't have a lot of power. BUt he has a nifty little trick he does from the MT clinch, where you basically have to choose between getting tripped or kneed in the face.

Mo doesn't want to go to the mat here unless he is stupid (I think he might be). Roger will sweep him within a few seconds IMO.

[poopoo333]

I didn't realize Palacio was an olympic wrestler. I will have to look at that a little more now, I was reading around that the Feijao fight was supposed to be a squash match.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ISywRGQKxE

[Svino]

Mo doesn't want to go to the mat here unless he is stupid (I think he might be). Roger will sweep him within a few seconds IMO.

In terms of how they match up on the ground, how would you compare Roger vs. Mo, to Maia vs. Munoz?

[MMA_scientist]

In terms of how they match up on the ground, how would you compare Roger vs. Mo, to Maia vs. Munoz?

Roger is better than Maia and Munoz is better than Mo (not at take downs, but a better grappler IMO).

But with the Maia fight, there was no extended time on the ground that I recall. I recall Maia being in guard for a few seconds here and there, he took no damage and as he started to threaten a sweep, Munoz wisely backed out. The other differences are that Roger is more of a top player and Maia is more of a guard player. And the sweeping styles are different too. Roger will probably look to sweep while keeping his guard mostly closed, using a hip bump or flower sweep. Maia plays a more "wrestler" type sweep game- underhook half guard/single leg style and looks for submissions from bottom. It is hard to compare, Maia and Roger have very different styles, both are effective, but they are really very different grapplers.

In terms of overall skill, obviously Roger is better than Maia. It is arguable who is better between Munoz and Mo, but it is clear that Munoz trains bjj a lot. Mo could conceivably survive in Roger's guard if Roger is tired, but I very seriously doubt he will be landing any shots down there and I promise you he will not pass. Mo may punch him out on the feet... but if it down on the ground, his best scenario is just hold still and stalling, he won't accomplish anything down there. He may be able to stay on top though. Roger is not a frenetic grappler like Jacare or some of these other guys. He doesn't start throwing stuff up immediately, it is wait, wait, set up, off balance, inch out, get you to react... then he takes a dominant position and you don't out. It may not work that well in a 5 minute round to be honest.

[poopoo333]

Healy replaces Thomson, meets Blanco at "Strikeforce Grand Prix: Barnett vs. Kharitonov" (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25012/healy-replaces-thomson-meets-blanco-at-strikeforce-grand-prix-barnett-vs-kharitonov.mma)

[Luke]

I do not see how King Mo wins this fight ,going to be on Gracie for a very large play .


You guys think the line will go up or down from the current line of +115?

[poopoo333]

You guys think the line will go up or down from the current line of +115?

I think it will get better because I think money will come in on Mo. But that's just my opinion, I might be wong, I mean wrong.

[Vandelay]

Mo will end up being around -175 in my opinion

[Luke]

You two better be right or you're both banned

[poopoo333]

How much are you planning to bet?

[Luke]

How much are you planning to bet?

between 5 and 10 units

[poopoo333]

between 5 and 10 units

Dayum, good luck.

[MMA_scientist]

I do not see how King Mo wins this fight ,going to be on Gracie for a very large play .


You guys think the line will go up or down from the current line of +115?

You were laughing at how bad Roger's hands were last time. He is slow and has no power, like Diaz without the volume or technique. Do you think Roger beats Mo standing? Randleman may have taken a round off Roger striking...

Don't get me wrong, I think Roger is going to win, but I think he has to make something happen, he is not Feijao out there on his feet. I just belive that Roger will have it worked out, but as of now, I am not sure how he is going to get Mo down.

[MMA_scientist]

I am probably going to be on Roger for a unit or two. May drop .5 now and the rest closer to fight, I will be pissed if Roger into - territory.

[Ludo]

Roger may be slow but Mo isn't exactly ultra quick with his strikes either. He tends to lumber in and throw bombs or work from a side posture. I think if Roger sticks a good jab in his face Mo will be pretty much wondering how he's going to get inside. He may actually clinch Roger in the hopes he can control him against the fence for some wall and stall tactics until he figures something better out. Normally I'm hesitant to pick the grappler over the wrestler with better hands but Roger's length and being top 3 in the world are certainly things to think about here. I will be on Gracie here.

[Ludo]

Quick question though. I'm not overly familiar with Rockhold, does he have the submission defense/wrestling to stay out of trouble here/stay on his feet?

[Luke]

You were laughing at how bad Roger's hands were last time. He is slow and has no power, like Diaz without the volume or technique. Do you think Roger beats Mo standing? Randleman may have taken a round off Roger striking...

Don't get me wrong, I think Roger is going to win, but I think he has to make something happen, he is not Feijao out there on his feet. I just belive that Roger will have it worked out, but as of now, I am not sure how he is going to get Mo down.

Never laughed at his hands, said they were worse than I expected. The way I heard from people was his striking looked great against Randleman and when I finally got to see the fight he looked okay but not what people had told me.
I could tell a difference in his striking just from the Randleman fight to the Prangley fight and I'd assume it will be even better this time.

King Mo's striking is less than impressive to me.He throws wide,wild shots and a stiff jab in his face will really screw him up imo. Roger holds a height and reach adv in this fight also.

[MMA_scientist]

Rockhold has pretty solid wrestling and he is tall, which helps. I don't think he can stop Jacare's takedowns though, I don't think there are many guys that can. But He may be able to survive until Jacare gasses. Is it 5 rounds?

[Ludo]

I have been hesitant to pull the trigger on Jacare because I don't know shit about Rockhold really. The problem with watching video on him is he hasn't faced anyone with quite the credentials on the ground that Souza has, or quite as much raw tenacity and strength. I keep remembering that kimura Souza tapped Marcelo with from bottom guard and he straight muscled Marcelo's arm out for it. I was more worried that that Rockhold might have the kind of submission defense on par with Smokin' Joe or that he would have hands technical enough to give Jacare problems standing. After seeing that he's been out for a year and a half I might just go ahead and play against him in a parlay.

[Ludo]

Is Feijao really on the undercard here?

[trotterz]

Mo will end up being around -175 in my opinion
I think that the line will go the other way. Casual betters seem to have a really small memory and they seem to only forget the few last fights from a fighter. Also the fact that Roger is still undefeated has the effect that some of those guys thinks that he will never be defeated and blabla.
You have an undefeated fighter, agains't someone who just got knocked out in his previous fight. Pretty sure the line is going to go the other way.

[Vandelay]

So by your logic, feijao will be the underdog to romero because hes facing an undefeated guy and he just got knocked out by hendo?

[trotterz]

So by your logic, feijao will be the underdog to romero because hes facing an undefeated guy and he just got knocked out by hendo?

I am not saying that this is always the case.
But more and more casual mma fans starts to bet on mma fights, and a lot of them are just looking at records.
On the other hand, Roger Gracie, even if he doesn't have that many mma fights,is well known. 5 times more than romero.

[SPX]

5 times more than romero.


That's pretty scientific. How did you arrive at that figure?

[poopoo333]

That's pretty scientific. How did you arrive at that figure?

womp womp

[Luke]

Arguments for King Mo anyone?

[poopoo333]

Arguments for King Mo anyone?

I am one of the people that thinks Mo will be able to keep it standing and will drop Gracie with punches. Even if it hits the mat I don't think it'll be instant submission, but if Gracie gets an advantageous position..he will probably end it.

[Mr. IWS]

I am one of the people that thinks Mo will be able to keep it standing and will drop Gracie with punches. Even if it hits the mat I don't think it'll be instant submission, but if Gracie gets an advantageous position..he will probably end it.

Pretty much my thoughts as well.

[MMA_scientist]

My issue with the Mo dropping Roger idea is that Roger has never really been hit. He doesn't have much standup of his own, but I don't anyone has really laid a glove on him yet. I honestly don't think he has been punched yet, more than a glancing shot. I am not "all over" Roger here, as I do think Mo can win this, but I think it will have to be by decision.

[Vandelay]

I'm liking what im hearing from cormier.

[poopoo333]

Me too. Gonna go big for a dog play

[sbjj]

Yea, I like Cormier also. Could be a big play since my Schaub big play turned out so well.

My only advice on the bet would be that it might be wise to weight til after the weigh in. I think money could roll in on Silva due to his size advantage.

[MMA_scientist]

Will be on Cormier also, I think he can put Bogfoot down, and I think he can stand with him as well. I think Bigfoot could easily win that, but I like the odds on Cormier. I am thinking about hitting BJ pretty hard for a dog play in couple months. Other than those two, I don't see a lot of underdogs I think will win coming up.

[poopoo333]

Yeah no current dogs really stick out to me besides those. I like Chandler though.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I will probably make a small play on Chandler @ +200. I don't actually think he will win though.

[Luke]

My issue with the Mo dropping Roger idea is that Roger has never really been hit. He doesn't have much standup of his own, but I don't anyone has really laid a glove on him yet. I honestly don't think he has been punched yet, more than a glancing shot. I am not "all over" Roger here, as I do think Mo can win this, but I think it will have to be by decision.

Mo's boxing isnt that good imo.He throws wild,looping shots that can easily be stopped with a little head movement and a jab or straight right down the middle. Not to mention Gracie is the taller man so it will be even harder for Mo to hit him unless Gracie is leaning .

My guess is Mo throws some wild shots,misses badly, then Gracie takes him down while he's off balance. Also wouldnt surprise me if Gracie landed some big knees to Mo much like Cavalcante did to Mo in there fight,from what I've seen Gracie has a very good clinch.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I agree, I am just worried about the difference in speed. One of those wild shots could get through. Roger is not nearly as explosive as Feijao. I think his clinch is aided by the fact that no one wants to tie up with him for fear of being taken down. So far, he has ONLY fought wrestlers that thought they could force a standup fight, and they don't even want to clinch. So he has been able to catch some knees on guys dropping the hips back to avoid the clinch. But Prangly and Randleman were way past their primes, and did not have the speed that Mo has.

That said, I do agree that Mo's striking is not very good... I just don't know if Roger will be able to get him down, I sort of doubt it.

[Vandelay]

Distance props are out for the main card fights

[MMA_scientist]

I am hoping they do the submission props. The best fights for those props are where there is an underdog that will not be submitted. 5D always messes the lines up. "Not Mo/Rockhold/Cormier/Sergei by submission" is airtight. If the odds are decent, I will go higher than usual, because there is no way on God's earth that Jacare, Roger, or Barnett will be submitted, there is almost no chance that Bigfoot will be submitted, but he does give his back up some.

Seriously, somone alert me when the sub prop lines come out. You have to get them early. I was looking over my last 3 months of sub props, and there some total steals in there (Not Cormier was a godo deal last time because he was a favorite over Monson, but there was no way he would sub him).

[Vandelay]

Yea thats pretty solid. Odds will probably suck because rockhold and sergei are big underdogs, cormier and mo might be decent bets for the not by sub prop.

[MMA_scientist]

I just hope I can get it under -500. It will probably come in a little higher than that though. I might just throw all 4 in my 2011 parlay though. Mo is the only favorite there, but I think they might try to set that line independently because it is Roger.


They did release odds for the sub props on the last SF card, so I am hoping they do it this time too.

[sbjj]

Am I crazy thinking that Cormier might actual get the better of Silva standing. Look, I am not going to put blinders on. he has never faced a great striker. Jeff is mediocre at best. but he looked real fluid in there with him. I think Silva is a bit slow and his footwork is not all that great. I just picture Cormier getting in and out with some quick shots. If he keeps it tight standing. he could win rounds with one takedown, or even by just going for them.

[Vandelay]

I think cormier is very similar to Cain Velasquez. Whatever AKA is doing over there is working for their heavyweights. Cormier has power, it just hasnt connected the right way yet. So I think Cormier has the edge standing and in wrestling. Dont think Silvas ever subbed any1 from the bottom. Cormier should have the much better gas tank too. Theres also the possibility that Bigfoot isn't taking this fight as seriously as he should be. He wanted to fight overeem and was disappointed when it fell through. He's been helping big nog and anderson with their fights and doesn't have ideal training partners to replicate cormier.

[sbjj]

I agree Vandelay. While I think Cain is a step above. It is hard not to see the same type of progrssion fight to fight with Cormier that we saw with Cain.

It also helps that they have one another to train with.

I just see Cormier as having two outs here. He MIGHT be able to win a stand up battle. But if not, he has the takedowns to go to.

[poopoo333]

I really hope Cormier gets back to +170

[edman5555]

You guys are convincing me to bet Cormier though I do agree with Scientist that BF could def win..it is a 3 rounder correct? I guess Corm by decision is the best bet.

[MMA_scientist]

I like Cormier also, mainly because his takedown defense is not very good. I think Cormier has better combos and speed, but he is a much smaller man. I have mentioned this before, Cormier wrestled 184 his senior year at OK State. He damaged his kidneys and can't cut weight. He is essentially a MW in there with a very large HW.

Cormier has beaten some decent HW's, but Monson is a small HW and Devin Cole is sort of smallish as well at less than 240.

I am just concerned that Bigfoot is just going to overwhelm with power.

That said, Cormier by decision. I will have a small play on Cormier.

[Svino]

I think Silva might be a bit overrated from his win over Zombie Fedor. Before that, I was still thinking of him as the guy who lost to Werdum, didn't look all that impressive against Arlovski (compare him to anyone else who fought Arlovski recently), and almost got taken out by Mike Kyle. On the other hand, I am really worried about the size difference. Cormier will have to win a grappling match and Silva's size will make that tough. I doubt Cormier takes it striking, unless he can get Silva to gas early.

[MMA_scientist]

But- Fedor wasn't really zombie Fedor until after the Bigfoot fight. It is not like Werdum laid a beating on him or anything. Bigfoot was the first guy to really take it Fedor. Fedor dropped Werdum and he damn near finished Hendo too.

I agree, he has some flaws, mainly he got taken down over and over by Werdum and he is willing to just get into wild exchanges (although with a head the size of a breadbox and fists teh size of soccer balls, wild exchanges actually is probably pretty good strategy). He did get clipped by Kyle, but Cormier hasn't really hurt anyone with strikes, although he is looking better everytime.

I think Cormier's movement is so much better and he won't just trade with him. I think Cormier can hang with him standing, just because I don't think Bigfoot will be able to land on him very much. And then he has the takedown out (I think). Bigfoot is a top player, he doesn't do really well from guard, I really don't think he can hold Cormier down either.

The only X factor is the size difference and Cormier has never been in a ground fight with a big skilled guy like that.

[edman5555]

How did he hurt his kidneys?

[poopoo333]

I think it was kidney failure from cutting weight

[edman5555]

his last weigh in was around 240

[edman5555]

so he isnt that small. I am sure he put on muscle since being at 185.

[Ludo]

He is kind of small seeing as he looks like a miniature Roy Nelson with those bitch tits. If he were willing to cut or diet down he could easily make 205 with his frame.

[Vandelay]

All that size means jack shit when ur going against an accomplished wrestler. For reference check randy vs lesnar, cain vs lesnar, randy vs gonzaga, etc.

[MMA_scientist]

so he isnt that small. I am sure he put on muscle since being at 185.

I am sure he has put some muscle on, but you really don't grow that much, most of these guys are fighting at the college wrestling weights. Evern Randy who is 64 years old, only fights 8 pounds above his college weight class of 197. Askren and Koscheck were 174, so they actuall weigh less now. Hendricks was 165.

Cormier is kind of an exception though, because he has competed at HW in the olympics- I mean he won the olympic trials as a HW, so he can obviously handle the size. I forgot he fought that really big black guy in Bellator- the guy had wrestled from Iowa I think and Cormier dominated him.

[Ludo]

Yeah but the problem here is Bigfoot is also an accomplished grappler himself. Not to mention Cormier hasn't faced anybody even close to Bigfoot, this is a huge step up in competition.

[MMA_scientist]

No doubt, I only like him at + odds. I think it is very close, could go either way, slight edge to Cormier because of the wrestling and improvement in his striking.

[poopoo333]

Luke Gracie's line is getting a little worse...told you I was probably wrong.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVh4ajnjVXg

5:35 is great

[Luke]

Luke Gracie's line is getting a little worse...told you I was probably wrong.

hate you

[Vandelay]

More itd props are up on 5dimes. One step away from the sub and ko props

[MMA_scientist]

thanks for the update. I am hoping they come out today. Sometimes they wait until teh day before the event to release the sub props.

[Vandelay]

I dont think they will come out till like tuesday at the earliest. Most likely thursday. Always a crapshoot as to when the lines break. U can get some stupid odds within the first hour or so.

[poopoo333]

Cormier by decision is sexy

[edman5555]

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Luke_Rockhold_vs_Jesse_Taylor_Strikeforce_Challen ?vid=10007631

luke rockhold vs jesse taylor. Taylor takes rockhold down a couple times, gets rockholds back. Rockhold reverses him and gets the rear naked on jesse. All five of Jesse's losses are by submission but he is still no joke. That said, if JT can take his back I would give Souza a good chance.

[edman5555]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP8P-P6z1hc

Rockhold vs paul bradley. Rockhold lands some good punches and drops Bradley twice. Bradley escapes pretty easy after being dropped the first time. Well timed counters from Rockhold but I think he will be slower than Souza. Special note: Rockhold is 6'3'' and Bradley is about 5'8''.

After watching these two fights I think Rockhold will be in trouble on the ground. His wrestling might be able to hold souza off for a little while but prob not that long. He might be able to hurt souza standing but i dont know.

[MMA_scientist]

Souza is better standing than Bradley too. I was going to pass on this, but may do a Barnett/Jacare parlay and then bet Roger and Cormier straight up

[edman5555]

Yeah Souza is better everywhere and it is a 5 round fight. You really feel good about Barnett? Sergei is pretty good.

[Vandelay]

Lets not forget jacares shitty chin and rockhold having a year off to train.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah Souza is better everywhere and it is a 5 round fight. You really feel good about Barnett? Sergei is pretty good.

I think Barnett will take him down and win a decision. I think Sergei can definitely win though. Really, I was not going to bet it or Jacare... and if they release the sub props I will probably use that to anchor my underdog bets. But if they don't maybe Jacare/Barnett.

I think Sergei is good, but sloppy. Barnett should have a technical edge and I think as they tire Barnett will take over with grappling, provided he doesn't get knocked out.

[MMA_scientist]

Lets not forget jacares shitty chin and rockhold having a year off to train.

He was hurt by Lawler, is that what you are basing his weak chin off of? He has stood in there with some pretty good punchers, and only a fluke upkick from Mousasi has turned his lights off.

[edman5555]

Yeah Lawler can hit hard as hell too. Jacare got back up and won the fight as well. Having a year off is necessarily a good thing either

[Vandelay]

Lawler didnt even land flush. What other good standup guys has he fought? not kennedy, not lindland, not villesenor

[edman5555]

I don't know if he didn't land flush..I will have to find the video and watch that.

[edman5555]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1Ao6cuGKc

Here is the video. He hit Jacare a couple of times before he went down. I guess all the shots didn't land flush but it is hard to tell. Lawler hits hard as hell though...

[poopoo333]

I was just watching Helwani's MMA Hour and Helwani was talking about being at Nog's gym and Jacare and Bigfoot were sparring and Jacare was taking him down a lot in sparring. If Jacare can get a 280 lb guy down consistently I am guessing he won't have a problem getting Rockhold down.

[edman5555]

Yeah I will be on Jacare.

[edman5555]

And probably cormier

[Luke]

Yeah I will be on Jacare.


I'll be on your mom............just like last night.

[Mr. IWS]

I'll be on your mom............just like last night.

go kill yourself

[edman5555]

hey thats my go to line.

[Luke]

reported..............both of you

[poopoo333]

SPX....Amanda Nunes vs Alexis Davis.. any thoughts WMMA expert? All I know about Nunes is she has heavy hands and KO'd Budd right away in the 1st round. Davis seems to be the better grappler for sure.

[poopoo333]

I was just reading the pbp to Kyle/Feijao, and saw this:


After the knockout Kyle ran to Feijao's corner and began barking at Anderson Silva.

BOL BOL BOL

[Luke]

I was just reading the pbp to Kyle/Feijao, and saw this:



BOL BOL BOL


BOLZZZ ..............WTF ::lmao::

[poopoo333]

All five of Jesse's losses are by submission but he is still no joke.

Make that 6, Hector Lombard just heel hooked him.

[Luke]

check this out

http://web.me.com/jphusky/Omari_Hardwick/Blank_8_files/SF%20GP%2050%3B1.jpg

[poopoo333]

inb4thatgetsvoidedbecausethedatesays12/31/2011andcormiervsbarnetthappensonjan1st

[sideloaded]

If Roger was a black belt in Judo he would've won that fight with Mo. Judo > Jiu-Jitsu

[poopoo333]

http://s1.proxy03.twitpic.com/photos/large/395105090.jpg

[Vandelay]

Recap: lost 110 on romero, 115 on de lima, 120 on blanco, 50 on gracie, won 100 on rockhold, 250 on cormier, lost 10 on kharitnov.

Romero was in over his head. Feijao's takedown d is better than i thought.
De lima fucked around for a round and that cost him the fight. Plus kyle is pretty good standing.
Blanco gassed to shit and somehow didnt know the rules.
Gracie was a stupid bet. Has no takedowns other than from the clinch. No chin and we probably wont see him fight again.
Rockhold needs to develop his striking some more, Close fight with close rounds. Rockhold just looked better due to the constant pressure and more strikes thrown.
Cormier fight was impressive. I wanted to throw 10 on cormier by ko/tko but the line was down so i settled for itd. Seemed like anything that touched his chin put him on skates.
Barnett showed he still has a chin and dominated on the mat. Should be a slight underdog to cormier.

[Luke]

Gracie was without a doubt the biggest flop on the card,at least Romero and De Lima half way tried .

I completely lost my ass on the card until the last fight,was down about 18 units and threw damn near every cent left in my 5dimes account on Cormier.....never been so glad to end up down 6 units for a event in my life. Was litterally ready to give up MMA betting.

[Luke]

I think Cormier will be around -150 to -175 and I'd take him at that

[Mr. IWS]

I was thinking Barnett would be around -130.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Cormier will be -150 or better. I will take him at that as well.

Luke, I think Roger was out. Could be wrong, but I think he unconscious.

[Vandelay]

He defininitely was. Went stiff as a board. he just didnt look comfortable in that fight. Wasnt comfortable at range, definitely didnt like getting inside. Its fine. MMA isnt for everyone.

You still gotta look at Cormier in perspective. His takedowns arent the greatest even tho hes an olympian. So can he outstrike Barnett? Plus barnett will probably be looking to get the fight down. I'll probably be taking barnett at dog odds. or mayb the bout to go the distance

[poopoo333]

I will guess Cormier opens around -180

[zY|]

He defininitely was. Went stiff as a board. he just didnt look comfortable in that fight. Wasnt comfortable at range, definitely didnt like getting inside. Its fine. MMA isnt for everyone.

You still gotta look at Cormier in perspective. His takedowns arent the greatest even tho hes an olympian. So can he outstrike Barnett? Plus barnett will probably be looking to get the fight down. I'll probably be taking barnett at dog odds. or mayb the bout to go the distance

I dunno. That trip off the caught kick had me all

http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s354/BlckPrl_album/I_jizz_in_my_pants_by_HOLIMOUNT.jpg

It's definitely a tougher fight, though.

[SPX]

check this out

http://web.me.com/jphusky/Omari_Hardwick/Blank_8_files/SF GP 50%3B1.jpg (http://web.me.com/jphusky/Omari_Hardwick/Blank_8_files/SF%20GP%2050%3B1.jpg)


I thought about that last night. Would be crazy if it hits. He still has to get through Barnett, though.



I will guess Cormier opens around -180


If Cormier is -180 I will be on Barnett for sho.




I completely lost my ass on the card until the last fight,was down about 18 units and threw damn near every cent left in my 5dimes account on Cormier.....never been so glad to end up down 6 units for a event in my life. Was litterally ready to give up MMA betting.

Well congrats on losing 6 units.

Glad you don't have to give up on MMA now.

[Svino]

Barnett's last 6 fights have all been against strikers with shit grappling. Last time he fought a decent wrestler was in 2008 against Monson. It will be interesting to see how he handles Cormier. BTW, Kharitnov actually turtled Barnett up with some heavy shots and may have come closer to winning that than we realize. I wouldn't be surprised if Cormier can stand with Barnett and win.

I think people are being too hard on Gracie. Yes, he had absolutely nothing for King Mo, but I hope we see him fight some more. I want to see him lose to someone other than one of the best wrestlers in the division before he calls it quits.

People were calling out Blanco on the head kicks before they happened. From Jordan Breen's chat:
Comment From Canadian from Canada: How to you think Blanco's striking arsenal will be effected by the unified rules saying it is illegal to counter an armbar from the guard with a face stomp?

Jordan Breen: It's sad with Blaco that we make these jokes, yet it's entirely possibly he'll flake out and do something like this. I can only hope he keeps his, uh, enthusiasm, in check.

Mike Kyle's a little better than I thought. I was feeling good about my de Lima bet.

Romero will be back stronger. Cavalcante was too much too soon and a bad matchup.

Guys who I think need to go to the garbage heap after last night: Evangelista Santos, Dan Hornbuckle.

The real lesson from last night: Keep a close eye on BookMaker's live betting. They've got a new system where you can live-bet on specific fight endings as well as the fight winner and it is totally overloading the capabilities of the trained monkey they have tasked to adjust the lines. The lines aren't getting updated properly and I think BookMaker may have to scrap their new system. But until then...

[MMA_scientist]

Its fine. MMA isnt for everyone.

Let's not get carried away. He lost 1 fight to former champion who is the the worst possible style matchup for him.

[Vandelay]

Let's not get carried away. He lost 1 fight to former champion who is the the worst possible style matchup for him.

and got knocked out brutally. U said it urself he doesnt need the money, and he probably wont ever be a champ so...

[MMA_scientist]

It is Roger's 5th fight, and his 5th straight wrestler. He won't hang it up. Maia didn't hang it up when he got blasted by Nate. Mo's 5th fight, he was fighting guys names Ryo Kawamura... no one was calling for Mo to hang it up when he stepped up and got stopped by Feijao. I think the expectations for Roger are unfair. He is an accomplished grappler, but he is still new to mma.

[poopoo333]

The real lesson from last night: Keep a close eye on BookMaker's live betting. They've got a new system where you can live-bet on specific fight endings as well as the fight winner and it is totally overloading the capabilities of the trained monkey they have tasked to adjust the lines. The lines aren't getting updated properly and I think BookMaker may have to scrap their new system. But until then...

War Bookmaker's new live betting system. ::moneybag::

[MMA_scientist]

and got knocked out brutally. U said it urself he doesnt need the money, and he probably wont ever be a champ so...

There are only 2 or 3 guys in the 205 division that WILL be champ... so the rest of them should retire? GTFO, Roger can still be a top 10 fighter, and he probably will be. He is only 29, I don't rule out that he can be champion anyway. Guys get knocked out all the time, it is mma. Machida got brutally knocked out by Shogun, should he quit too? Rashad got brutally knocked out by Machida, Rampage got brutally knocked out by Shogun... maybe everyone but Jones should retire (actually, they probably should).

[Svino]

Next fight: Gracie vs. Romero.

[MMA_scientist]

I mean, it is not like he just got brutalized and shown he can't compete. He got clipped with a well placed shot in a fight he was winning even though it was out of his comfort zone. I don't think it means he should retire. I mean, GSP got knocked out by the same shot.

[MMA_scientist]

Next fight: Gracie vs. Romero.

That would make sense, I hope they don't make that fight though. Roger needs to get at least one fight against someone without world class takedown defense.

[Svino]

There are only 2 or 3 guys in the 205 division that WILL be champ... so the rest of them should retire? GTFO, Roger can still be a top 10 fighter, and he probably will be. He is only 29, I don't rule out that he can be champion anyway. Guys get knocked out all the time, it is mma. Machida got brutally knocked out by Shogun, should he quit too? Rashad got brutally knocked out by Machida, Rampage got brutally knocked out by Shogun... maybe everyone but Jones should retire (actually, they probably should).

Well, it will all come down to a matter of personal attitude. (How much he wants to be a fucking fighter, as Dana would say.) With all those other guys, they probably need the money and don't have some other sport where they are the best in the world that they can use to satisfy their competitive urges.

[MMA_scientist]

Roger won't retire. Maybe he should, but he won't.

[Vandelay]

How many of those guys make as much money as gracie does outside of fighting? gracie doesnt even need sponsors on his shorts. Ill be surprised if he fights in the ufc once zuffa absorbs strikeforce.

[Svino]

How many of those guys make as much money as gracie does outside of fighting? gracie doesnt even need sponsors on his shorts. Ill be surprised if he fights in the ufc once zuffa absorbs strikeforce.

He needs to come to the UFC so they can throw him in with Phil Davis.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't hear you guys calling for Brock to retire. He probably has more money that Roger, he got brutalized in his last fight and was never in it. He also has serious health problems and is older than Roger. You guys are racists.

[MMA_scientist]

BUt Roger is white. You guys are xenophobes.

[poopoo333]

lol at losing 1 fight and having to retire

[Svino]

BUt Roger is white. You guys are xenophobes.

I don't know if I can still count him as a Brazilian after hearing he pronounces his name with an "R".

[MMA_scientist]

I don't know if I can still count him as a Brazilian after hearing he pronounces his name with an "R".

I was referring to the the U.K. You guys hate brits.

[MMA_scientist]

Roger will be fine, he will get on the juice and come over to Zuffa. TRT is the answer.

[Svino]

I was referring to the the U.K. You guys hate brits.

Well, we figure they're all like Michael Bisping.

[Vandelay]

Pretty sure brock is making more than gracie is. Brock is also probably more competitive than roger and hes never been knocked cold. Dont get me wrong, id like to see him back, just dont know if it will happen.

It's not like the maia-marquardt fight because a. maia was still conscious, b. the fight didn't last long enough for maia to realize he didn't stand much of a chance, and c. maia was like 11 or 12 and 0 and on a win streak in ufc.

[Luke]

Next fight: Gracie vs. Romero.

I hate both of them,hope somehow they both lose

[sideloaded]

lol at vandelay trolling people up in this thread

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLws_jC48E4&feature=player_embedded

[sideloaded]

He said he wont fight Cain. He's going to end up fighting Jon Jones. I got Cormier by brutal ko.

[edman5555]

well -2.5u for me. Thank god i didnt go all in on jacare like i was thinking about doing. Jesus christ. After all these years I am still a noob. I can't beleive Rockhold beat him. I think Barnett gets beat by Cormier. The wrestling will make the difference. Corm also weighed in at 247. He isn't small.

[Luke]

Gracie should retire, two punches is way too much damage to take and keep fighting.

[MMA_scientist]

well -2.5u for me. Thank god i didnt go all in on jacare like i was thinking about doing. Jesus christ. After all these years I am still a noob. I can't beleive Rockhold beat him. I think Barnett gets beat by Cormier. The wrestling will make the difference. Corm also weighed in at 247. He isn't small.

He isn't THAT small, but he had on his jeans and a big ass belt and buckle to make that 247. I don't remember if he had his shoes on too. I bet he weighs more like 237. But it obviously doesn't matter, he was ragdolling Bigfoot like he weighed 155.

[edman5555]

Yeah I think Cormier is going to be pretty damn good someday. He is now actually. Whats your opinion on Barnett/Cormier?

[sideloaded]

Yeah I think Cormier is going to be pretty damn good someday. He is now actually. Whats your opinion on Barnett/Cormier?

Someday? Did you watch the fight?

[Vandelay]

Yea hes a borderline top 50. give him 4 more years and he might crack the top 10....

[zY|]

He isn't THAT small, but he had on his jeans and a big ass belt and buckle to make that 247. I don't remember if he had his shoes on too. I bet he weighs more like 237. But it obviously doesn't matter, he was ragdolling Bigfoot like he weighed 155.

Do your shoes, pants, and belt buckle weigh 10 pounds?

[poopoo333]

Do your shoes, pants, and belt buckle weigh 10 pounds?

Found a picture of Scientist:

http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/image/jnco_pants.jpg


Cormier also said on the MMA Hour last week that he was trying to get his bodyweight up for this fight by a few pounds.

[Luke]

Yea hes a borderline top 50. give him 4 more years and he might crack the top 10....

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/alice_doll95/gif/tumblr_ll5i44JnxX1qb37fc.gif

[Vandelay]

http://c0013954.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_839becf

rockholds cankles after the fight

[MMA_scientist]

Roger/Mo- full fight


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8N5UWGJ0g&feature=player_embedded



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/sanfeng/slam068.gif


::crying::

[MMA_scientist]

You know what luke, he wasn't out. You are right, he was just waiting for the second shot to come. I mean, he was on queer street, but he was conscious before that second shot.

Fuckin jiu jitsu pussy.