UFC 138

[poopoo333]

Chris Leben vs. Mark Munoz headlines UFC 138 in Birmingham, England (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24468/chris-leben-vs-mark-munoz-headlines-ufc-138-in-birmingham-england.mma)

[SPX]

That will be an interesting fight.

I doubt Leben can survive the wrestle-assault but Munoz gets hit in all of his fights so I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see him get KOd.

[poopoo333]

This will be a 5 rounder.

[Luke]

This will be a 5 rounder.

So instead of all UFC main events being 5 rounders the UFC is just going to say which ones are.............I get it

[poopoo333]

Brad Pickett vs. Renan Barao added to UFC 138 in England (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24472/brad-pickett-vs-renan-barao-added-to-ufc-138-in-england.mma)


^^Gonna be good

[Mr. IWS]

Brad Pickett vs. Renan Barao added to UFC 138 in England (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24472/brad-pickett-vs-renan-barao-added-to-ufc-138-in-england.mma)


^^Gonna be good

Hopefully, this one is 5 rounds.

[poopoo333]

Hopefully, this one is 5 rounds.

BOL I wish. Would be a better 5 round fight than Munoz/Leben. I think the main event being 5 rounds favors Munoz for sure.



I wonder what other UK guys they are going to put on this card? I would like to see John Hathaway fight my cousin Dong Hyun Kim.

[poopoo333]

Thiago Alves Back in Action at UFC 138 Against Swedish Newcomer Papy Abedi




weird

[SPX]

That is strange indeed. All in on Alves, I guess.

[Ludo]

Am I crazy or do I remember Munoz gassing the last two times he went 3 rounds? I'm being serious here by the way. I'm pretty sure I remember him gassing against Simpson and Okami but I'm not positive.

[poopoo333]

That is strange indeed. All in on Alves, I guess.

I wouldn't. For all we know, this guy is one of those crazy prospects that is really good.

[poopoo333]

Am I crazy or do I remember Munoz gassing the last two times he went 3 rounds? I'm being serious here by the way. I'm pretty sure I remember him gassing against Simpson and Okami but I'm not positive.

You might be right...I will watch his fights again later.

[SPX]

I'm pretty sure Munoz tends to gas as the fight goes on.

I was actually thinking that 5 rounds favors Leben, not Munoz. It gives him 2 extra rounds to hunt for that KO and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that it's very unlikely that Munoz finishes him at any point.

[MMA_scientist]

^ I think Munoz will finish him with either GNP or a submission. Munoz has faith his grappling, he gave up top to go for a darce on Maia. Had that been Leben, he would probably have gone to sleep. If Jake Rosholt can do it, Munoz can. This all assumes he can get Leben down though. Anyway, I think Munoz will win and I think there is a good chance he finishes it.

[SPX]

I see.

Well then I challenge you to mortal kombat.

[MMA_scientist]

I accept your offer to end your life in shame.

[poopoo333]

Anthony Njokuani vs. Paul Taylor targeted for UFC 138 in England (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24490/anthony-njokuani-vs-paul-taylor-targeted-for-ufc-138-in-england.mma)

[Ludo]

Another Favorable matchup for Njokuani. I'll take the African Assassin up to -210

[SPX]

-210? That's a strange number. So you give him a 67% chance of winning?

[poopoo333]

-210? shitttt Njokuani is a lock

[poopoo333]

Michihiro Omigawa Draws Jason Young at UFC 138 in England


::bulb::

[edman5555]

I agree with you about munoz. I think he can finish leben. I also think he can get him down. Ill be on nijk as well. I think vagner rocha should beat mckenzie as well.

[poopoo333]

Report: Terry Etim vs. Edward Faaloloto Added to UFC 138 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/21/2286560/report-terry-etim-vs-edward-faaloloto-added-to-ufc-138)

[poopoo333]

John Hathaway vs. Pascal Krauss set for UFC 138 in England (http://mmajunkie.com/news/24530/john-hathaway-vs-pascal-krauss-set-for-ufc-138-in-england.mma)

[poopoo333]

Che Mills vs. Chris Cope Scheduled for UFC 138 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/1/2310258/ufc-che-mills-vs-chris-cope-scheduled-ufc-138-mma-news)

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4264.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)


Munoz @-210=sexy

[Luke]

^^^Actually my first reaction is I like Leben .........but I suck so......

[poopoo333]

The Rosholt fight is what makes me like Munoz so much in this fight.

[Luke]

The Rosholt fight is what makes me like Munoz so much in this fight.


Not following,please explain to the ruh tard.

[poopoo333]

Basically it showed Leben's poor T3D and how he fares with a talented wrestler on top of him...not that good. Munoz is a better version of Rosholt. But then again, Munoz on the feet scared me against Leben...he was clipped and outstruck (not as much as Rogan made it sound like though) against Maia and was getting the shit beat out of him against Kendal Grove in the 1st round. I guess Munoz straight up hedged with Leben by (T)KO would work

[MMA_scientist]

Munoz will be champ.

[edman5555]

AS long as Leben doesn't knock him out.

[poopoo333]

Cyrille Diabate vs. Anthony Perosh Set for UFC 138 in England (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/25/2384483/cyrille-diabate-vs-anthony-perosh-set-for-ufc-138-in-england)

[SPX]

Munoz will be champ.

Sorry, I missed this.

My apologies for not LOLing in an appropriate time frame.

[Ludo]

I doubt Munoz is going to do to Leben what Rosholt did. Munoz's shots are poorly telegraphed and because his hands are underdeveloped he has no set up for them or any way of closing the distance or switching up. He's all haymakers and desperation doubles. I think Leben takes this fight to be honest.

[poopoo333]

Seems like a lot of money came in on Munoz on 5 dimes

[Svino]

Cyrille Diabate vs. Anthony Perosh Set for UFC 138 in England (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/8/25/2384483/cyrille-diabate-vs-anthony-perosh-set-for-ufc-138-in-england)



Diabate's going to kill Perosh, isn't he?

[poopoo333]

Diabate's going to kill Perosh, isn't he?

Perosh is a grappler, I hate betting on strikers to beat grapplers. So I am going to say no.

[zY|]

Diabate's going to kill Perosh, isn't he?

Yup

[edman5555]

The Rosholt fight is what makes me like Munoz so much in this fight.

Yeah I agree 100%. If anyone is thinking about betting Leben, please watch this fight.

[MMA_scientist]

You could make the opposite argument for the Simpson fight though. Rosholt is not that great with the takedows either though. Of every NCAA champion, Rosholt has been the least impressive in the takedown department to me. And he was 3x champ, the only 3x champ in MMA that I can think of. Probably the most decorated collegiate wrestler in MMA.

[poopoo333]

Krauss out of UFC 138, Finished for 2011 with Shoulder Injury
Ok have DHK replace him plz

[poopoo333]

Matt Brown replaces Pascal Krauss, meets John Hathaway at UFC 138 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25031/matt-brown-replaces-pascal-krauss-meets-john-hathaway-at-ufc-138.mma)

[poopoo333]

Where do you guys see the Munoz/Leben line going? Not sure if I wanna get Munoz @-215 yet

[edman5555]

I was thinking about that one the other day. Munoz should win that one but Leben is hard to put away and hits like a mack truck. Munoz isn't exactly top of the line with his standup. If Leben can catch him, he can def put him away. Munoz might be able to KO/Sub Leben as well. I do think that it could take a while for him to do that though. Tough fight to bet. Fight doesn't go the distance is probably a solid bet.

[SPX]

Not touching Munoz at that line. Leben or nothing.

[poopoo333]

I just bet Munoz @-215 to win a unit

[poopoo333]

I really like Njokuani to beat Taylor.

Perosh is a good dog bet (if he comes out as a dog) imo.

I've read good things about Phillip De Fries, but haven't watched any video yet.

Any thoughts on Renan Barao vs Brad Pickett?

[edman5555]

diabate perosh should be a cool fight. Anyone can take that one..Diabate has been around for a long time. Perosh's standup sucks. On the other hand Perosh is a pretty well credentialed grappler.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, so basically if Diabate doesn't catch Perosh early, I think he is gonna be on his back/probably get submitted. Diabate has a horrible gas tank as well

[edman5555]

what kind of car does he have?

[Vandelay]

I also like pickett. Need to watch some more of bera'so fights tho. Also like Caraiso, Njoukuani and Etim after looking at the card.

[poopoo333]

I hope Njokuani comes out under -200

[poopoo333]

Did anybody look at Mills/Cope?

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (Spike TV)


Chris Leben vs. Mark Munoz
Renan Barao vs. Brad Pickett
Papy Abedi vs. Thiago Alves
Terry Etim vs. Edward Faaloloto
Anthony Njokuani vs. Paul Taylor

PRELIMINARY CARD

Cyrille Diabate vs. Anthony Perosh
Justin Edwards vs. John Maguire
Michihiro Omigawa vs. Jason Young
Rob Broughton vs. Philip De Fries
Chris Cope vs. Che Mills
Chris Cariaso vs. Vaughan Lee

[Mr. IWS]

MAIN CARD (Spike TV)

Chris Leben vs. Mark Munoz
Renan Barao vs. Brad Pickett
Papy Abedi vs. Thiago Alves
Terry Etim vs. Edward Faaloloto
Anthony Njokuani vs. Paul Taylor
PRELIMINARY CARD

Cyrille Diabate vs. Anthony Perosh
Justin Edwards vs. John Maguire
Michihiro Omigawa vs. Jason Young
Rob Broughton vs. Philip De Fries
Chris Cope vs. Che Mills
Chris Cariaso vs. Vaughan Lee


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[SPX]

wtfisthisshitman.jpg

BOL!!!!

I agree that it looks like a very strange card.

[Luke]

wtfisthisshitman.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll107/Hellraiser-89/Deerheadlaugh.gif

[SPX]

Jesus fucking Christ!

What is that?!

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/430.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Svino]

At -260, I think Alves might be worth a bet.

[Vandelay]

Don't see faaloloto winning, but that lines stupid. Njokuani line will go up. Pickett is a good price right not im sure his odds will get worse as well.

[poopoo333]

I put 1.5u on Pickett @ +160. I might just parlay Njokuani and Etim.

[poopoo333]

Svino did you look at Papy much?

[SPX]

If Njokuani's line goes up, I'll be on Taylor.

Taylor is underrated.

[poopoo333]

You think Taylor outstrikes Njokuani? I won't be surprised to see Njokuani take Taylor down either

[SPX]

I was thinking the other way around. . .

Taylor won't bother to strike with Njokuani. He'll try to work his ground game.

[Svino]

Svino did you look at Papy much?

I watched a few of his fights. He's basically a stand-up MT guy. I'd say he seems a bit wild, but powerful.

He has finished all of his fights early, but 1) It doesn't seem like he has fought anyone good, and 2) That also means he hasn't proven his cardio. I also saw him come fairly close to getting triangled.

He certainly isn't anything close to the type of stifling wrestler that has proven to be able to give Alves trouble.

[poopoo333]

Isn't he a judo guy too?

[poopoo333]

Paul Taylor has a ground game?

[Svino]

Isn't he a judo guy too?

Yes, he has a judo background. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see much judo in his fights. I suppose you could say that's a scary sign (that he has tools to go to he doesn't even need to use).

[Vandelay]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/1/1907310/world-mma-middleweight-scouting-report-1-papy-abedi

Striking looks sloppy. Thiago should take this one unless Papy pushes a tough pace and can take him down or hits a huge punch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stR7p8E4EiY&feature=player_embedded#!

[poopoo333]

He is coming off of a year layoff as well, and I think this is his 1st cut to WW

[Luke]

yuck,yuck ,and yuck

[Svino]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/1/1/1907310/world-mma-middleweight-scouting-report-1-papy-abedi

Striking looks sloppy. Thiago should take this one unless Papy pushes a tough pace and can take him down or hits a huge punch.

Thanks for that link. It was interesting to see his first fight - he definitely has a different style now and has improved.

It's too bad he's 33 already, I wonder if that's why the UFC is giving him such a big test early.

[SPX]

Paul Taylor has a ground game?

I'm pretty sure he took Lytle down at least once, if only briefly.

Maybe I need to take another look at Njokuani's ground game. Not sure what would benefit him by taking Taylor down.

[poopoo333]

I'm pretty sure he took Lytle down at least once, if only briefly.

Maybe I need to take another look at Njokuani's ground game. Not sure what would benefit him by taking Taylor down.

One brief takedown? Oh I see!!!!

Benefit would be: to steal the round, stay on top, take advantage of Taylor's horrible T3D. Taylor's only chance is a KO imo

[SPX]

I was more contrasting Lytles T3D to Njokuani's, dickhead.

And I'm not so much arguing for Taylor as I am arguing against the line.

I guess I've just lost too many bets that should've won.

[Mr. IWS]

Jesus fucking Christ!

What is that?!

Thats the face I made when Melvin got dropped and choked out last month.

[SPX]

I negged Melvin after that performance.

[poopoo333]

UFC 138 loses Taylor-Njokuani; Diabate-Perosh promoted to main card (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25901/ufc-138-loses-taylor-njokuani-diabate-perosh-promoted-to-main-card.mma)
Figures. Taylor always pulls out close to fight time since he dropped to LW, -300 that this is weight related

[poopoo333]

^^nvm apparently he got whiplash in a car wreck

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/430.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

If Perosh holds @+300 I will be happy

[Svino]

I think the Perosh - Diabate line is probably about right.

Perosh has decent bjj, but weak standup and takedowns that are not as good as they need to be. I would say he has never beaten a good opponent, and probably does not belong in the UFC at all.

Yes, Diabate is kind of one-dimensional, and we know that one-dimensional grapplers beat one-dimensional strikers, but I think these guys are on different levels. This fight is going to be brutal -- most likely outcome is Perosh leaving the cage on a stretcher.

[Vandelay]

damnit 5dimes. break the lnes already so i can unload on caraiso

[MMA_scientist]

Che Mills is going to beat Cope isn't he? Cope is impossible to take down, but Mills has been in there with way better strikers (Marius Z) and won.

I don't see anything on this card. I like Munoz, but his line seems a little pricey to me. At this point, it is Leben or nothing.

Looked at De Fries/Broughton... nothing to see. De Fries has won all his fights by submission, Broughton is tough to finish though, and has more experience. Tought to know what will happen there.

I think Cariaso should have an advantage over Vaughn Lee, but there is not much to see on Lee. Cariaso is pretty tough and well rounded though. But I am not really confident enough to bet it without more info on Lee.

I am looking hard at Edwards. Maguire is a wrestler with no wrestling backround, I don't know that he is going to be able to get on top of an actual wrestler in Edwards. At that line, Edwards migbht be worth a play. Here is Maguire:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tc3oyWEO8w

[Thewisemann]

Thoughts on Jason Young pulling out an upset? I think he did good vs Poirier

[MMA_scientist]

Thoughts on Jason Young pulling out an upset? I think he did good vs Poirier

Haven't looked at that one. Omigawa is durable grinder though, how was Young's td defense against Poirier? I didn't see the fight.

[Vandelay]

Kinda liked what i saw out of de fries. Doggedly pursues the takedown similar to how jake shields usually does. Not bad on top either.

[MMA_scientist]

^ I don't think Broughton will be too tough to take down, seeing as how he is a fat gimp. I couldn't find a lot of video of De Fries, post a vid.

[Vandelay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Pri1En3VU

[Vandelay]

nevermind. i probably wont bet him

[MMA_scientist]

http://www.sockshare.com/file/C98B9361FFD17686

^^ Extended preview for UFC 138

[MMABuddha]

I like the Che Mills play as well. Che Mills is a very experienced veteran, and Chris Cope has straight up never soundly beaten anyone good. The Shamar fight was way too close and he's not that good anyway. I don't even know if he's impossible to take down, he hasn't faced good wrestlers. Still, Che won't win the fight that way but I do see him dominating the stand up en route to a weardown TKO or a decision.

[zY|]

This card is beyond terrible.

I'll be watching LSU/Alabama.

[Luke]

This card is beyond terrible.

I'll be watching LSU/Alabama.

+1

[MMA_scientist]

Is this the worst UFC card ever? I think the Munoz/Leben fight is great. I am mildly interested in Barao/Pickett. Every other fight is terrible.

[Vandelay]

I'm not very interested in leben/munoz because i don't see either as ever winning the belt. Should be a good fight though. Barao/pickett is the most interesting to me. Young vs Omigawa isn't bad either. Thats about it. I doubt this event will hit more than 800k on spike.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Munoz could be champ eventually. I think he "could" beat any MW not named Anderson Silva. He was competitive with Okami and beat Maia, those guys are top 5 MWs that have both fought for the title. But really, I just like Munoz as a fan and I want to see him fight.

90% of the guys that are fighting on any given card really don't have much hope of being champion, but I still like seeing them fight.

[Vandelay]

Yea i guess its more of a main event thing. Munoz vs Okami wasnt very close in my mind because munoz couldnt get a takedown. I happen to think his takedowns are poor and thats the reason why I don't think he would be champ. I think he loses to Sonnen, okami (again), AJ, probably belfort, and Silva. So I have him right below the top tier.

[MMA_scientist]

Yea i guess its more of a main event thing. Munoz vs Okami wasnt very close in my mind because munoz couldnt get a takedown. I happen to think his takedowns are poor and thats the reason why I don't think he would be champ. I think he loses to Sonnen, okami (again), AJ, probably belfort, and Silva. So I have him right below the top tier.

He dropped Okami with a punch in Rd 2 though... other than that it was one-sided, but close. Okami didn't really get anything going. I think Munoz's strength is that although he doesn't have great takedowns in MMA, he is very hard to hold down himself... and if he does get you down, his GNP is brutal. He also has great sub defense and looks to be adding submissions to his game, he even locked up a darce on Maia. I think Sonnen, Okami, Maia are all a notch below UFC champion material, but if the stars aligned any one of them could become a title holder briefly... I think Vitor or Hendo would beat all of them personally, I put Munoz in with the "could be if stars aligned" group...

Honestly Palhares is the UFC MW I want to see in a big fight.

[SPX]

Honestly Palhares is the UFC MW I want to see in a big fight.

You've seen that . . . twice . . .

Once when he fought Henderson and again when he fought Marquardt.

He failed both times.

[Vandelay]

Palhares would probably lose to Munoz, Okami, Belfort, probably silva, and probably AJ. Munoz isnt too bad standing when he commits to it. Sometimes he just shoots the whole fight. I expect him to do the same against Leben.

[Vandelay]

Edman wheres your breakdown of each fight?

[MMA_scientist]

You've seen that . . . twice . . .

Once when he fought Henderson and again when he fought Marquardt.

He failed both times.

I was not satisfied by the Marquardt fight, it was more of a fluke ending. Henderson fight, yes, but I think he has gotten better, it was over 3 years ago.

I think Palhares would retire Sonnen permanently, just because of the styles. I don't think he is the best 185 out there, but he is a legit title contender who hasn't really been pushed by the UFC.

[SPX]

Scientist, you are a serious Sonnen hater.

[MMA_scientist]

Palhares would probably lose to Munoz, Okami, Belfort, probably silva, and probably AJ.

You're crazy. I don't think a guy that got grapple raped by Rich Clementi is going to beat Palhares. Palhares would take him down easy IMO. I think the other guys would be close- basically I put Palhares in there with Maia, Sonnen, Munoz, and Okami...

[MMA_scientist]

Scientist, you are a serious Sonnen hater.

It is really not as bad as youthink it is, I just don't think he is that good. I mean, you don't think Palhares would submit him? The only issue is whether Sonnen could stuff him the whole fight. I think the standup is close between the two and I think Palhares would get him down eventually and take his leg home.

[Svino]

The more I think about it, the more I believe Maia getting Sonnen down was nearly a miracle. I now think Sonnen could win a rematch with him or a fight with Palhares just by keeping it on the feet.

[SPX]

You're crazy. I don't think a guy that got grapple raped by Rich Clementi is going to beat Palhares. Palhares would take him down easy IMO. I think the other guys would be close- basically I put Palhares in there with Maia, Sonnen, Munoz, and Okami...

If you're going to be like "oh, the fight with Henderson was three years ago" then you have to concede that the AJ/Clementi fight was over 4 years ago. Is he even the same fighter today?

[SPX]

It is really not as bad as youthink it is, I just don't think he is that good. I mean, you don't think Palhares would submit him? The only issue is whether Sonnen could stuff him the whole fight. I think the standup is close between the two and I think Palhares would get him down eventually and take his leg home.

I'm not sure at all that Palhares would submit Sonnen. Why would it be auto-sub? His best win is against, I guess, Dan Miller, a B-level MW at best. His second best win is Dave Branch, a dude who's not even in the UFC anymore.

I could definitely see Sonnen running a wrestling train on him for 3 rounds.

[MMA_scientist]

If you're going to be like "oh, the fight with Henderson was three years ago" then you have to concede that the AJ/Clementi fight was over 4 years ago. Is he even the same fighter today?

I don't know, he hasn't beaten anyone I would consider "good" other than Brenneman (who only got that tag by beating Story). I mean, the only guys he beat that are still in the UFC are Brenneman and Hardy, who would have been released if he were American or Brazilian.

[SPX]

That's true, but he was at least dominant in all those wins.

He is at least one of the best strikers in the division and a solid wrestler. Pretty good combination.

[MMA_scientist]

Why would it be auto-sub? His best win is against, I guess, Dan Miller, a B-level MW at best. His second best win is Dave Branch, a dude who's not even in the UFC anymore.

I could definitely see Sonnen running a wrestling train on him for 3 rounds.

Because Sonnen gets submitted a lot, and Palhares is a nasty submission artist who submits world class grapplers quickly. I don't think there is any way he would last on the mat. He might be able to keep it standing. Palhares has a good double leg shot though. We will never know though, so it is pointless to discuss it. I think Sonnen will continue to lose to better grapplers and his standup is servicable, but not great. I think Palhares may get the better of the standup too. I just think Sonnen has tricked everyone into thinking he is some unstoppable wrestling machine... he is 5-4 in the UFC and he has lost all 4 times by submission. The "new" Sonnen is 4-2 and lost twice by submission. I think he would get submitted by Palhares and probably injured because he would try to half tap or yell out and Palhares would destroy his knee. Just how I see it.

[MMA_scientist]

That's true, but he was at least dominant in all those wins.

He is at least one of the best strikers in the division and a solid wrestler. Pretty good combination.

True, I just don't think his wrestling is good enough to keep it standing against a lot of guys. He did stuff the hell out of Brenneman though, so maybe he figured out his range.

[poopoo333]

I think Palhares would beat Sonnen too.

[Vandelay]

AJ is with a new camp now. Plus he is more well rounded. Cung le isn't a serviceable coach.

[edman5555]

Sorry about my lack of breakdowns. I am just burnt out from a lot of things. I am trying to collect myself for a little while. Also my power has been out since Saturday.

[Thewisemann]

I think Palhares would beat Sonnen the majority of the time.

[Ludo]

Also my power has been out since Saturday.

I hear you. I had no power from 11am sunday until 3:30pm yesterday. Shit sucked man.

[poopoo333]

edman did you end up betting on Kongo?

[Luke]

Sorry about my lack of breakdowns. I am just burnt out from a lot of things. I am trying to collect myself for a little while. Also my power has been out since Saturday.

WTF.............no power since Saturday??????????????

What is going on there?

[zY|]

Snow

[Ludo]

WTF.............no power since Saturday??????????????

What is going on there?

Connecticut got slammed with a noreaster saturday the heavy snow combined with wind and alot of rain lately saw trees falling all over the fucking place. My town got hit with about 11 or 12 inches of the shit. Two huge branches landed on the garage I'm still in the process of building and fucked up the backside roof by caving in the plywood which hasn't been shingled just yet. With trees down all over the place and telephone poles down they shut the grid off to fix everything. That happened around 10-11am sunday morning and I didn't get it back until wednesday afternoon around 3:30. The worst part is I couldn't even check into a hotel because as of monday morning every hotel room in the state of connecticut was booked.

[SPX]

Wow. Gay.

Reminds me of an ice storm that hit Memphis when I was 12. Power went out for a while . . . cable went out for even longer.

Ice and snow was fucking everywhere. I didn't have to go to school for a week.

[zY|]

Wow. Gay.

Reminds me of an ice storm that hit Memphis when I was 12. Power went out for a while . . . cable went out for even longer.

Ice and snow was fucking everywhere. I didn't have to go to school for a week.

94

[SPX]

Indeed, sir. Indeed.

[Thewisemann]

I think there is value in Young at +250 or better, and I like Perosh at +300. Alves -300, Leben TKO/KO +375 and Leben split Dec +2295 are all plays I would be on if Penn was in fighting shape.

[mike]

bmaker is so gay with their odds. But I put 5.5u on Alves, 2u on Cariaso and 1u on Young at +215. How good is Omigawa TD ? Can he take Young down and keep him down ? I personally think Young gonna keep it on the feet and give Omigawa a beating. Vaughan Lee looks flashy with his striking but I dont think he will do well with UFC level. All the guys he beat are pretty much cans from what i see. Cariaso is a decent striker and very tough. Hoping he will take the fight to the ground and beat Lee there. On the feet i think he will do just fine also. Alves, he's proven to be a top fighter and tough as nail. I saw a lil bit of Abedi and not that impressed. At least not the type of fighters who give Alves problems. i'm also interested in Edwards over Maguire bc i think he's more active and has better wrestling than Maguire but I havent looked deep into this match. cant find much vids on Edwards. probably just gonna bet over since they both looks tough to finish.

[Svino]

Don't see faaloloto winning, but that lines stupid. Njokuani line will go up. Pickett is a good price right not im sure his odds will get worse as well.

Good call on Pickett. Now that I've researched the fight a little, I'm kicking myself for not grabbing the early line.

[MMA_scientist]

I think I am going to sit this card out... I can't see anything that I need to bet. I am considering a small bet on Leben, that's about it.

[poopoo333]

Judo Chop: Breaking Down the Ground Work of Maia/Munoz at UFC 131 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/4/2537252/judo-chop-breaking-down-the-ground-work-of-maia-munoz-at-ufc-131)

[poopoo333]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/chris-leben-mark-munoz.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/brad-pickett-renan-barao.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/papy-abedi.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/thiago-alves.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/thiago-alves-papy-abedi.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/terry-etim-edward-faaloloto.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/john-maguire-justin-edwards.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/cyrille-diabate-anthony-perosh.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/michihiro-omigawa-jason-young.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/rob-broughton-philip-de-fries.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/chris-cope-che-mills.JPG
http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/chris-cariaso-vaughan-lee.JPG

[poopoo333]

Alves was a pound overweight and had to cut for a 2nd weigh in

[poopoo333]

http://www.ufc.com/media/138-WEIGH-ALVES-ABEDI

[poopoo333]

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/11/04/thiago-alves-initial-weigh-in-miscue-not-what-it-seems-says-nu/

[edman5555]

I still have no power. Yes I bet Kongo, but I took him inside the distance. Oops. I also lost 2.5u on Siver. Bad night. I had to update the PBP on by cell phone. Crappy. Anyways.

Leben/Munoz: I can't see betting this one unless it is Leben TKO at really really good odds. Munoz has a big wrestling advantage and Leben can knock out anyone if he connects. Too tough to predict what happens. I don't see how anyone can do it. I will note that Leben did have good takedown D in the Simpson fight. He could give Munoz some trouble.

I am thinking about Diabate but his line is kinda silly. Perosh is slow and shitty on the feet. He is big and strong though. Diabate is kind of skinny, he might get tossed around in the clinch.


I haven't really looked at this a lot. I don't have the power.

[Mr. IWS]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-138-leben-munoz/papy-abedi.JPG




10 units on Manhoef

[Luke]

SO when is this event live? I know the showing is tape delay

[Ludo]

10 units on Manhoef

When did AP get into MMA? I guess he has some free time on his hands during the Bye Week.

[Ludo]

SO when is this event live? I know the showing is tape delay

I don't have to answer your goddamn questions! Junkie says they're coverage starts at 1:40pm EST, so probably around 3pm EST-ish.

[Luke]

Ludo's right.................That is Peterson

[Luke]

I don't have to answer your goddamn questions! Junkie says they're coverage starts at 1:40pm EST, so probably around 3pm EST-ish.


Just for that tone of voice I'm going to make my appearance in the contest thread

[Svino]

This card is so lame, BM isn't even bothering to offer their standard distance props.

[poopoo333]

We are gonna be able to get a stream for this bullshit right?

[Vandelay]

5dimes has reduced odds up. You have until 9pm tonight to get ur bets in....

[poopoo333]

I am probably gonna catch this on spike later because I am about to leave, but:

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/90051/2/watch-ufc-138:-leben-vs-munoz.html

[Svino]

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I think the Perosh - Diabate line is probably about right.

Perosh has decent bjj, but weak standup and takedowns that are not as good as they need to be. I would say he has never beaten a good opponent, and probably does not belong in the UFC at all.

Yes, Diabate is kind of one-dimensional, and we know that one-dimensional grapplers beat one-dimensional strikers, but I think these guys are on different levels. This fight is going to be brutal -- most likely outcome is Perosh leaving the cage on a stretcher.

I fail fight-predicting forever.

[poopoo333]

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I fail fight-predicting forever.

I hate myself for putting 0.5u on my favorite dog on the card and 5.5u on Pickett. FUCK

[Ludo]

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/11/6/2542767/ufc-138-results-chris-leben-weight-cut-mark-munoz-fight-mma-news


After just one round inside the cage with Mark Munoz last night (Sat., Nov. 5, 2011) at UFC 138 in Birmingham, England, Chris Leben was visibly winded.

I'm talking hands on hips, sucking air like a vaccum. He was gassed and it greatly affected his performance. He ultimately lost the fight after his corner called a stop to it at the end of the second round due to his not being able to see via a cut above his eye.

Upon second viewing, though, "The Crippler's" eye looked okay after mere moments after he was attended to by ringside physicians. He said he was "choking on blood" but it certainly didn't look that bad.

As it turns out, his corner had more than one reason to be concerned.

According to a report from Fighters Only, Leben had a terrible weight cut that resulted in his having to lose 21 pounds in just 24 hours. It was so bad, in fact, that officials were apparently monitoring the situation and came extremely close to calling off the fight altogether.

Here's more from the report:



A source close to Leben told Fighters Only on Friday that Leben had been left "shattered" by the amount of weight he had to cut on weigh-in day.

He was in the hotel sauna from Friday morning hooded up and wearing layers of clothing as he sweated water out of his body.

His dehydration and general condition was such that one of the medical team backstage said Leben would be pulled from the fight if thing deteriorated any further.

Cutting weight is nothing new in combat sports, as men like Jon Jones and Forrest Griffin have been known to cut between 20-40 pounds leading up to their fights in the light heavyweight division.

But not in 24 hours. That is, to put it bluntly, absurd.

Fierce competitor that he is, Leben soldiered on and went ahead with the fight but it was obvious from the word go he simply wasn't himself.

And now we know why.

Anyone think this diminishes Munoz's victory? And should fighters be allowed to compete if they have to cut that much weight in that short a time span?

Opinions, please.

[SPX]

Munoz's win is legit.

War Leben

Love him or hate him, the dude comes to fight and he doesn't make excuses.

[Vandelay]

I'll take a gassed/exhausted leben over a tired raegan/bj penn anyday of the week. Leben at least gave it his all for 2 rds. Raegan completed one takedown in 30 seconds and decided he was spent.

[Ludo]

Munoz's win is legit.

War Leben

Love him or hate him, the dude comes to fight and he doesn't make excuses.

I didn't post it to imply Munoz wouldn't have won if Leben hadn't cut so much or was better conditioned. It was clear from the very start that Leben couldn't stop the takedown with any kind of consistency. Had he been in better shape I do think he could have gotten up more but that would have only prolonged the inevitable. The beating he was getting when Mark was on top of him was going to take it's toll sooner or later and Chris would have gotten tired long before Mark did at that rate. Kind of a wierd year Chris is having, though. This is twice we come to find out some bizarre circumstances struck him just before a fight.

[MMA_scientist]

Leben definitely looked a little gassed, but he was still going to lose. Munoz was taking over IMO. Leben looked pretty good IMO... but why was he 215 the day before his fight? If he is that heavy, that is his fault.

[Svino]

Leben definitely looked a little gassed, but he was still going to lose. Munoz was taking over IMO. Leben looked pretty good IMO... but why was he 215 the day before his fight? If he is that heavy, that is his fault.

Well, Leben is an idiot.

[MMA_scientist]

Well, Leben is an idiot.

Agreed. But seriously, he is on the best run of his career and is closing in on a title shot... then he just says, "you know what? Fuck it, I am not going to train at all or cut weight until the day before I am supposed to fight. I am actually going to be 10 pounds over the LHW limit when I go to bed on thursday." Idiot does not even explain that... it is like... I don't even know.

[SPX]

I didn't post it to imply Munoz wouldn't have won if Leben hadn't cut so much or was better conditioned.

I was responding to the line in the article that says, "Anyone think this diminishes Munoz's victory?"



Had he been in better shape I do think he could have gotten up more but that would have only prolonged the inevitable.

Not necessarily. We all know that it only takes one shot from Leben to turn things around. For Leben, it's never over until it's over.

[SPX]

BTW, Leben vs Rosholt II . . . who takes it?

[Luke]

BTW, Leben vs Rosholt II . . . who takes it?

Probably MTV2 on a Bellator card if they're lucky

[poopoo333]

Agreed. But seriously, he is on the best run of his career and is closing in on a title shot... then he just says, "you know what? Fuck it, I am not going to train at all or cut weight until the day before I am supposed to fight. I am actually going to be 10 pounds over the LHW limit when I go to bed on thursday." Idiot does not even explain that... it is like... I don't even know.

^^This. If all of this is true then he is an idiot

[Ludo]

Not necessarily. We all know that it only takes one shot from Leben to turn things around. For Leben, it's never over until it's over.

That is true, but Munoz knew that as well and acted accordingly. He was all about the takedown, top control, body shots. He was looking to wear Leben out from the beginning. It's absolutely possible Leben could have landed the big one and pounced from there but the likelihood of it happening was very slim given Mark's gameplan and success with the takedown.