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[poopoo333]

UFC wants Anderson Silva vs Dan Henderson on FOX





By Guilherme Cruz
Photo UFC
Anderson Silva will put his belt on the line this Saturday, but the organization is already thinking on his next title defense. According to sources close to the situation, the middleweight champion is in talks with the UFC to fight Dan Henderson at UFC’s first show on FOX, scheduled to November 12, in California.
Anderson, who already defeated the former Pride champion in his long UFC career, tapping him in a rear-naked choke at UFC 82, fights the highly underdog Yushin Okami this Saturday, at UFC Rio, while Henderson waits to define his future with the end of his contract with Strikeforce.
Sources also indicated that if Henderson didn’t agree to move down to middleweight months after a heavyweight showdown against Fedor Emelianenko, Chael Sonnen is the option to replace him against Silva.
Sonnen is set to fight Brian Stann at UFC 136, and if Henderson doesn’t take this fight, he’d be taken out to fight Anderson. Stann, on the other hand, would potentially fight Vitor Belfort.
Stay tuned for more news on the UFC middleweight title picture.





http://www.tatame.com/2011/08/23/UFC-wants-Anderson-Silva-vs-Dan-Henderson-on-FOX




I doubt this will work out, but it would be awesome if it did. I think they need to put Guida/Henderson on this card for #1 contender slot

[Vandelay]

Wow. badass.

[SPX]

Interesting.

I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch with Hendo OR Sonnen.

[poopoo333]

If this were Strikeforce, Okami would win easily and fuck this whole plan up. Nothing ever goes Strikeforce's way.

[SPX]

BTW, I think Vitor would fuck Stann up.

[zY|]

Hendo rematch, snore.

[SPX]

If he comes out like Super Hendo then it could be interesting.

I'm just not sure that Super Hendo and Middleweight can co-exist.

[edman5555]

I'll take Hendo by knockout for the right price.

[poopoo333]

Silva is going to get beat one of these days fucking up the whole Silva vs GSP fight.

[edman5555]

Yeah. Chael tagged him a bunch of times and Hendo packs serious power. If he can connect on Silva, he can knock him out.

[SPX]

Silva is going to get beat one of these days fucking up the whole Silva vs GSP fight.

That fight is a pipe dream.

[Vandelay]

silva easily wins this fight in my mind. Hendo got dropped by feijao and fedor and i dont even know what punch connected in the fedor fight. Anyways that chin isnt as sturdy as it once was, pretty soon he will go lights out and it will be ugly.

[zY|]

I'm just not sure that Super Hendo and Middleweight can co-exist.

This is what I think as well. The guy belongs at 205, especially at his age.

[Mr. IWS]

Im on Silva even if he fights Hendo and Chael at the same time.

[Svino]

BTW, I think Vitor would fuck Stann up.

Yeah, I do too. It's another good style matchup for Vitor.

[SPX]

Stann has improved a lot over the past year or two, but aside from the fight with Silva, Vitor has just looked like a killer.

I mean, look at this shit. . . Even when he loses he goes out like a boss. . .



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6077704848_f079018478.jpg

[Luke]

Stann has improved a lot over the past year or two, but aside from the fight with Silva, Vitor has just looked like a killer.

I mean, look at this shit. . . Even when he loses he goes out like a boss. . .



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6077704848_f079018478.jpg

Most of his quick KO wins are against guys not in the Top 10 ,the first time he stepped up recently(Silva) he got KTFO . I wanted to see him fight Chael ,Yushin,Munoz or someone equivalent

[Luke]

I'd rather see Chael-Silva II than Hendo-Silva II

[SPX]

Most of his quick KO wins are against guys not in the Top 10 ,the first time he stepped up recently(Silva) he got KTFO . I wanted to see him fight Chael ,Yushin,Munoz or someone equivalent

That's true, but they are still all quality wins, especially Franklin and Akiyama.

The Akiyama win is especially impressive in that Akiyama is known for having an awesome chin. Leben hit him like a million times and he never went down.

[poopoo333]

Most of his quick KO wins are against guys not in the Top 10 ,the first time he stepped up recently(Silva) he got KTFO . I wanted to see him fight Chael ,Yushin,Munoz or someone equivalent


I'd rather see Chael-Silva II than Hendo-Silva II

Agreed. I think Okami and Chael would beat Vitor...maybe Munoz too

[edman5555]

How about Chael Munoz? That would be a good fight.

[SPX]

Would it?

I think Chael would just wrestlefuck him for 3 rounds.

[Luke]

How about Chael Munoz? That would be a good fight.

I think it would be boring, might end up looking like Munoz-Okami

[MMA_scientist]

Man, people seriously overrate Chael's wrestling. He would not be able to hold Munoz down. That is a promise. Watch any one of Munoz's wrestling matches. He escapes instantly.

[SPX]

Sure, but Okami's wrestling is also highly respected, and Chael completely dominated him.

[Luke]

Man, people seriously overrate Chael's wrestling.

Was going to say the same but didnt want anyone arguing. Everyone has looked at Chael as a god since the Silva fight.

[poopoo333]

Chael IS a god.

[zY|]

Was going to say the same but didnt want anyone arguing. Everyone has looked at Chael as a god since the Marquardt fight.

FTFY

[SPX]

Agreed.

The Marquardt fight really just sealed the deal, though. He had already looked extremely impressive against Miller and Okami before that.

[Luke]

Well I thought Marquardt was a bum before that so that's why I said the Silva fight, but whatever.

[sideloaded]

Chael started looking good about the time he started to abuse PEDS.

[zY|]

Well I thought Marquardt was a bum before that so that's why I said the Silva fight, but whatever.

So you picked Chael to beat Nate?

[sideloaded]

So you picked Chael to beat Nate?

did you know scientist picked Werdum over Fedor?

[poopoo333]

did you know scientist picked Werdum over Fedor?

True story. He did.

[zY|]

did you know scientist picked Werdum over Fedor?

What is the meaning of this inanely irrevocable irrelevant irreverence?

[MMA_scientist]

I thought Nate was going to beat Sonnen easily. I would blame the juice, but Marquart was juiced too. Although Sonnen has very tiny balls since puberty, I think Marquart's might be equally small and hairless.

[edman5555]

I shave my balls. No predjudice here. I think Chael will beat Brian Stann. I also think his wrestling is pretty good. He uses it effectively, more so than Munoz.

[Luke]

I shave my balls. No predjudice here. I think Chael will beat Brian Stann. I also think his wrestling is pretty good. He uses it effectively, more so than Munoz.


Just bet the opposite that I do

[sideloaded]

hendo vs silva on fox now?

[zY|]

Still don't want to see the rematch. Dan should fight Shogun or Machida, or someone else at 205.

[sideloaded]

185 is so thin, they need dan.

[poopoo333]

UFC promises "major announcement" on Friday, White says UFC on FOX headliner set (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25056/ufc-promises-major-announcement-on-friday.mma)

Guesses?

[Luke]

UFC promises "major announcement" on Friday, White says UFC on FOX headliner set (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25056/ufc-promises-major-announcement-on-friday.mma)



Guesses?


Overeem signing ,maybe a Lesnar-Overeem fight .

[poopoo333]

I think one of the fights will be Ben Henderson/Clay Guida.

[Luke]

I just looked around and saw about 20 different rumors floating around ............BOL I have no idea what is going to be announced

[sbjj]

Overeem vs. Mir

Bendo vs. Guida

[sbjj]

Both winners get shots at the belts.

[poopoo333]

Overeem vs. Mir

Bendo vs. Guida

I was thinking the same thing actually. I doubt they will put Brock on free TV..they need him for PPV sales

[poopoo333]

Or Belfort vs Leben

[Luke]

I was thinking the same thing actually. I doubt they will put Brock on free TV..they need him for PPV sales


They need something for PPV sales,heard UFC 134 only did 300k buy which is worse than UFC 132

[poopoo333]

They need something for PPV sales,heard UFC 134 only did 300k buy which is worse than UFC 132

Yeah I saw that. I actually saw a 265,000 figure. I wonder how much Irene had to do with it.

[Mr. IWS]

UFC promises "major announcement" on Friday, White says UFC on FOX headliner set (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25056/ufc-promises-major-announcement-on-friday.mma)



Guesses?

New line of UFC Action Figures

::handshake::

[poopoo333]

http://img.mixedmartialarts.com/method=get&s=tito.jpg

Did Tito retweet this because he is stupid? Or because he wants Dana to sign that fight in less than a day?

[poopoo333]

I really hope it's not Tito/Franklin btw, that fight sucks.

[sbjj]

Hard for me to imagine the UFC would F this up. This is just to important. They usually do not screw up the big things. And Tito-Franklin as the main event would be a ROYAL F UP.

[Vandelay]

That fight would be solid for the unaired undercard of the live show. But anything more would be pathetic. Two borderline top 25 lhw fighting? no thanks.

[poopoo333]

All indications seem to be that the UFC will announce a Cain Velasquez vs. Junior dos Santos championship fight for #UFConFOX (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23UFConFOX) debut.

..

[sbjj]

That would be the best thing they could do. Big ratings, and an almost gauranteed great fight. Overeem vs. Mir as second fight? Winner gets title shot.

[poopoo333]

That would be awesome. But personally I think Guida/Ben Henderson is going to be the 1st fight for #1 contender...it's about a month after Edgar/Maynard...they need somebody to line the winner of that title fight up with. Unless they plan on giving Guillard the shot if he beats Lauzon on the same card.

[sbjj]

That would be awesome. But personally I think Guida/Ben Henderson is going to be the 1st fight for #1 contender...it's about a month after Edgar/Maynard...they need somebody to line the winner of that title fight up with. Unless they plan on giving Guillard the shot if he beats Lauzon on the same card.

Yea, I agree. Plus, you have gauranteed fireworks with the match. And it introduces the LW's to the casual fans.

[MMA_scientist]

Bendo/Guida is awesome. Bendo is almost guaranteed to be in exciting fights. The guy brings it everytime.

JDS/Cain = win.

If they put JDS/Cain and Lesnar/AO on the Fox card, that would be pretty epic.

[Luke]

It was announced JDS-Cain will be on FOX and no second fight


In before the fight ends in rd 1

[Luke]

Line guesses on JDS-Cain?

[sideloaded]

Line guesses on JDS-Cain?
? there is already a line

[Luke]

? there is already a line

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/agnosiophobe/troll_facebmp.jpg

[sideloaded]

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr203/agnosiophobe/troll_facebmp.jpg

haha you got me. I though you were going to "predict" the line like poopoo magically did that one time. Amazing he predicted the opening line.

[Mr. IWS]

Line guesses on JDS-Cain?

Lesnar +280?

[poopoo333]

haha you got me. I though you were going to "predict" the line like poopoo magically did that one time. Amazing he predicted the opening line.

The Jake Shields opener @-230? True story, its on a word document.

[sideloaded]

The Jake Shields opener @-230? True story, its on a word document.

dont worry I believe u brah

[Luke]

Speaking of Shields I changed mind he's going 2 kill Hamberger

[sideloaded]

Speaking of Shields I changed mind he's going 2 kill Hamberger

have you changed your mind on roger yet? Because I'm afraid mo is going to punch a hole through his head.

[Luke]

have you changed your mind on roger yet? Because I'm afraid mo is going to punch a hole through his head.


Nope sticking with Roger .

[sideloaded]

Nope sticking with Roger .
by sub or can he win a decision?

[Luke]

by sub or can he win a decision?

I'm taking him straight but don't see why he can't win by either. Whats the odds on him by decision or sub?

[mike]

Speaking of Shields I changed mind he's going 2 kill Hamberger
did you pick Shields over GSP also ? just wondering

[Luke]

did you pick Shields over GSP also ? just wondering

Yes I did

[sideloaded]

Just don't see it on Roger, Prangley is an absolute can, king Mo training at aka, Roger training stand up at Renzo's? I think that is a big fail.

[Luke]

Just don't see it on Roger, Prangley is an absolute can, king Mo training at aka, Roger training stand up at Renzo's? I think that is a big fail.

We don't have to agree on every bet........but don't go crazy on me SPX.

[sideloaded]

We don't have to agree on every bet........but don't go crazy on me SPX.
ROFLcopter

[zY|]

Speaking of Shields I changed mind he's going 2 kill Hamberger

Are you concerned about his mental state going in to this fight?

[mike]

Yes I did
Ellenberger has massive power and a strong wrestler too. Shields didnt look impressive against Kampmann either.

[poopoo333]

We don't have to agree on every bet........but don't go crazy on me SPX.

BOL

[Luke]

Ellenberger has massive power and a strong wrestler too. Shields didnt look impressive against Kampmann either.

Lets not start the Kampmann stuff again, it should be obv by now he went 5 rds with GSP and 5 with Hendo that he was hurt by the weight cut and that's why he looked gassed against Kampmann.

As for Ellenberger being a strong wrestler, I agree just think Shields is better one. Only way I see Ellenberger winning is by KO but I'm wrong half the time anyway so you should only half listen to me

[poopoo333]

^^^agreed. Ellenberger's best shot is a ko. Ellenberger gasses too, so his power wont be as effective after round 1 if it turns into a grappling match.

[poopoo333]

Bendo -235 Guida +185

[SPX]

3u on Bendo

[poopoo333]

I'm not gonna play him @-235. His line should get better.

[SPX]

I just don't see Bendo getting Guida'd and I think he as a better than 70% chance to win. With that said, Guida has kind of looked like Super-Guida lately.

[Svino]

Common opponent: Pettis. Guida wins by MMAth.

Seriously though, both of these guys have been exceeding my expectations recently to the point where I'm inclined to stay away.

[poopoo333]

I just don't see Bendo getting Guida'd and I think he as a better than 70% chance to win. With that said, Guida has kind of looked like Super-Guida lately.

Meh I don't think Guida has really looked much different than of old. RDA was beating him in the stand up and then got his jaw broken. RDA was stuffing Guida too. Then he beat zombie Guida and LnP'd Pettis who just has some shitty TDD.

I don't think Guida will be able to get Bendo down very long...I think Bendo wins this for sure but I don't wanna take it at over -200. This fight definitely has a chance to end in a controversial decision.

[zY|]

Bendo is a better, blacker, more badass Guida.

Guida is pretty much a total can anyway.

[trotterz]

I am just waiting for the line on 5d .... I see no way of guida winning that fight

[Luke]

Don't think Guida wins but I'm not laying that high of a number

[edman5555]

i think bendo wins. that is a good point of the common opponent but bendo has looked so much better since then..maybe it was his gameplan or something. He didn't really come in just looking to take him down. He dominated Jim miller and beat bocek..Guida is smaller to IIRc. Maybe it could be close but i just dont see guida taking him down. I think bendos standup may be better but I dont know.

[SPX]

I think bendos standup may be better but I dont know.

Much better.

[poopoo333]

Peralta vs. Semerzier, Bradley vs. Pierce, Lucas vs. Rosa added to UFC on FOX 1 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25527/peralta-vs-semerzier-bradley-vs-pierce-lucas-vs-rosa-added-to-ufc-on-fox-1.mma)
Clay Harvison vs. DaMarques Johnson targeted for UFC on FOX 1 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25531/clay-harvison-vs-damarques-johnson-targeted-for-ufc-on-fox-1.mma)

[SPX]

Robert Peralta

[poopoo333]

Mike Pierce for sure.

[Vandelay]

His line will probably be -400

[poopoo333]

Alex Caceres drops to bantamweight, fights Cole Escovedo at UFC on FOX 1 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25552/alex-caceres-drops-to-bantamweight-fights-cole-escovedo-at-ufc-on-fox-1.mma)

[SPX]

I think he might actually win that one. He was doing pretty well against Judo guy in the first round.

[Ludo]

Can he make the cut? Even if he can is it wise for him to go up against someone as tenacious as Cole his first time out? Personally I'd take Escovedo because his willingness to go to the ground means his striking is going to be just as high flying as Caceres'.

[SPX]

I dunno.

[MMA_scientist]

I am not sure why this kid is still in the UFC.

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (FOX)

Champ Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos (for heavyweight title)

PRELIMINARY CARD

Clay Guida vs. Ben Henderson
Pablo Garza vs. Dustin Poirier
Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto vs. Darren Uyenoyama
Ricardo Lamas vs. Cub Swanson
Clay Harvsion vs. DaMarques Johnson
Robert Peralta vs. Mackens Semerzier
Paul Bradley vs. Mike Pierce
Matt Lucas vs. Aaron Rosa
Alex Caceres vs. Cole Escovedo

[poopoo333]

Already bet on Cain.

Hoping Bendo's line gets better.

I think Lamas may be a good bet over Swanson.

Mike Pierce is gonna win but his line will probably suck some big fat cock.

Anybody have a video of Poirier's last fight?

[edman5555]

will take ben hendo and the champ

[poopoo333]

Does anybody see Cain/JDS going the distance?

[edman5555]

not really but anything is possible. We don't know what JDS's chin is like. Frankly i think he will succumb to Cains pace. The line will prob be shitty.

[edman5555]

-350 on 5d

[poopoo333]

I actually like it to go the distance @+250...but I probably won't bet it.

[Ludo]

I don't think it goes the distance. JDS does gas after heavy action for three rounds(IE the Roy Nelson fight) and Cain will push the pace alot more than Roy ever even thought about for at least three rounds. If it goes that long JDS will be pretty fuckin' tired, and thats when Cain will really put the screws to him. Of course this is all assuming that Cains shoulder has made a full recovery and he's actually the same fighter he was before hand.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzHAzv1iBH4&feature=player_embedded#!

[poopoo333]

http://www.ufc.com/media/UFC-FOX-Primetime1?lc

Full primetime episode

[poopoo333]

5:00 PM

24409
PABLO GARZA
PK+220




24410
DUSTIN POIRIER
PK-280

[Vandelay]

that line will be at least -350 by fight time. I am most confident in poirer and Pierce to win next weekend.

[poopoo333]

sooo whatcha guys like on this card?

[poopoo333]

Didn't know Bradley/Pierce is a rematch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ncDJIru5Q

[Vandelay]

Is that fight gonna be at 170 or 185? Bradleys last fight was at 205.

[poopoo333]

Is that fight gonna be at 170 or 185? Bradleys last fight was at 205.


170...and his last fight was @ 185 against Natal....but Bradley is usually a 170

[Vandelay]

Yeah I guess your right. Hard to imagine bradley at 170. He looked pretty big at 185

[Vandelay]

Anyone picking Garza to win this fight? He seems more like a JJ guy with weak striking. He beat Paxaio who is a short bjj guy with what i would guess is limited standup. He then beat yves jabuin another short guy, but this time one that cant grapple. He is now facing someone with superior wrestling, striking, and good grappling. Not a good stylistic matchup I would think. Also first time since Tuf in which he is facing a superior wrestler. -325 is a little pricey to me so I hope the line comes down to at least 300.

[sbjj]

I thought bradley-Pierce was at 185.

[poopoo333]

Not sure vandelay....do you have a link to Poirer's last fight?

[Vandelay]

http://mma-geeks.com/2011/07/15/dustin-poirier-vs-jason-young-fight-video-ufc-131/

Really close fight from what i remember. This fight doesnt really have much importance on the garza fight cause garzas striking isnt nearly as good as youngs. I think the grispi fight is more similar.

[poopoo333]

I can't believe I thought Ben Henderson would be -175

[poopoo333]

I thought bradley-Pierce was at 185.

Just checked, I guess it is. It's weird..Bradley was deemed "to small for 185" against Natal since he usually fights at WW, and Pierce is moving up. So basically two WWs moving up to MW?

[SPX]

Maybe they sat down together over a beer and said, "You know what? Fuck weight cutting. Let's just fight."

[poopoo333]

I think Lamas may be a good bet over Swanson (if the line doesn't suck dick)

[SPX]

Maybe so. Lamas has looked better than Swanson as of late. I doubt the line will be horrible if you're interested in betting him.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/442.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

At those lines I like Peralta and Lamas. Who is Yamamoto fighting? He is probably overvalued, Japanese fighters suck

[MMA_scientist]

I got nothing.

[mike]

anyone have any vids on harvison?

[poopoo333]

anyone have any vids on harvison?

http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-videos/14380/tuf-13-clay-harvison-mick-bowman

http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-videos/14506/tuf-13-ramsey-nijem-clay-harvison

http://mma-core.pl/?p=4385 <<<option 1 works

http://mma-core.pl/?tag=seth-baczynski-vs-clay-harvison-fight-video-ufn-25

[poopoo333]

Can somebody find me Cub Swanson vs Mackens Semerzier please?!?

[Ludo]

I'm uploading it to fileserve now, I'll post the link when it's done.

[poopoo333]

I'm uploading it to fileserve now, I'll post the link when it's done.

::handshake::

[mike]

http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-videos/14380/tuf-13-clay-harvison-mick-bowman

http://www.ultimatefighter.com/fight-videos/14506/tuf-13-ramsey-nijem-clay-harvison

http://mma-core.pl/?p=4385 <<<option 1 works

http://mma-core.pl/?tag=seth-baczynski-vs-clay-harvison-fight-video-ufn-25
thanks pp. i'm just gonna stay away from this fight. dont like what i see from harvison.
I had 2u on Ben Henderson and probably parlay Porier and Pierce for 1u. temping to put a small bet on Bruce Leeroy at that odds. I think he can edge Escovedo standing and maybe avoid the takedown. Escovedo's td isnt that good.

[poopoo333]

Has anybody besides me looked at Lamas/Swanson? I think Lamas has the grappling edge and perhaps the better technical striking. I won't be surprised if Lamas comes to grapple when Swanson comes to fight.

[Ludo]

Fileserve wouldn't work for some reason so I upped it to Oron.

http://oron.com/kpzd7vgkehus

[mike]

Has anybody besides me looked at Lamas/Swanson? I think Lamas has the grappling edge and perhaps the better technical striking. I won't be surprised if Lamas comes to grapple when Swanson comes to fight.
pp, did u see lamas' fight with Bart palazuskieeksjfoawiejf ? how did he look in that fight in the grapping ?

[poopoo333]

pp, did u see lamas' fight with Bart palazuskieeksjfoawiejf ? how did he look in that fight in the grapping ?

Didn't see it...old WEC fights are hard as fuck to find

[poopoo333]

Fileserve wouldn't work for some reason so I upped it to Oron.

http://oron.com/kpzd7vgkehus

Thanks Ludo

[MMA_scientist]

I need to get back to actually looking at cards. I have been in a tailspin.

I like Cain here, but I am nervous about the layoff and his line has gotten shitty.

I like Bendo, but at the current line, it is Guida or nothing. I may actually take Guida for a small play.

Poirier should win with his pace and wrestling, but I think Garza is being overlooked here. He is super tall for the weight and his striking is not that bad. I think he has a shot, not enough to bet him, but enough to keep me off Porier at those odds.

Pierce has already beaten Bradley once. Pierce has gotten better and has been facing better comp. He is going to win IMO. -350 though... what is up with these lines. Pierce was in the fight the whole time against future-champ, so I think he will beat Bradley bell to bell... maybe in a parlay.

I think Mackens has more ways to win. Peralta had a good showing against Takaya and he could win for sure... but I will take the wrestler here.

I think DeMarquez is better than Clay in almost every way. But Clay is tough and pushes the pace... no way I would bet DeMarques @ -280 over anyone ever.

I am not sure why Uynemoyama is in the UFC. Don't know much about him, other than he has never beaten a good opponent. Kid should win.

I like Lamas to beat Swanson. He has the wrestling path if he wants it... by all accounts he is an excellent grappler as well. Swanson is game and has only lost to the very best guys (except Pulver), but he had a split decision with Mackens in his last fight, who I think is basically a lesser version of Lamas. Going to take Lamas here if the line holds when it opens on 5D.

I think Cole will beat Caceres because Caceres is a can and does not belong in the UFC. It is a somewhat favorable style matchup for Caceres though, as Cole probably can't/won't take him down, which is where Cole usually wins and where Caceres loses every time (all 4 losses by submission). The striking could be close and honestly Bruce Leroy probably has value @ +230. If there was submission prop, I would take Cole via submission.

[poopoo333]

I am going to bet Lamas, I am just not sure for how much.

I might just parlay DeMarques and Bendo, i dunno

I think the Poirer line is too high, but it's hard to gauge where Garza really is. His last two wins were pretty early, IIRC he was getting lit up by an aggressive Jabouin before the flying triangle..and Poirer is just as aggressive and won't stop coming forward imo.

Cain is going to beat JDS.

[MMA_scientist]

I want to parlay someone with Pierce. That is the only fight I feel very confident about.

[Vandelay]

what about shlemenko or popo from bellator.

[trotterz]

I want to parlay someone with Pierce. That is the only fight I feel very confident about.

I am going to parlay pierce with some boxing fights. There is a couple of easy ones this weekend. It won't get my pierce bet in the + but it will probably bring it down from -350 to -200

I am just waiting for pierce to be available on 5D

[MMA_scientist]

I don't bet Schlemenko as a matter of principle. I don't know much about Popo, but Evans is not horrible, he has a very good bjj game. Maybe just bet it straight or with Weidman or someone else from next week.

[MMA_scientist]

I will probably wait and see what kind of props come out. I might be able to find a combination that works. I need to cut the fly-by-night stuff I have been doing the last few months, it gets me in trouble every time.

[sbjj]

I am going to parlay pierce with some boxing fights. There is a couple of easy ones this weekend. It won't get my pierce bet in the + but it will probably bring it down from -350 to -200

I am just waiting for pierce to be available on 5D

Who you looking at in Boxing? Bradley should easily win over Casa. But I have not seen a line on that fight yet.

[Vandelay]

trotterz what boxing bets are you looking at

[Vandelay]

pierce with not guida itd, and not jds by sub is about -200. I like that alot.

[MMA_scientist]

pierce with not guida itd, and not jds by sub is about -200. I like that alot.

That will probably hit, I might do that. I don't really like distance props at all, but I don't think there is much likelihood that Guida stops Bendo.

[trotterz]

Who you looking at in Boxing? Bradley should easily win over Casa. But I have not seen a line on that fight yet.

Bradley's odds are out but he is at -2150 which is crazy

Alvarado over Prescott was at -450 this morning but has now moved to -625

Also Fury over Pajkic but the line just moved to an awfull -1475

There was a lot of movement on boxing lines today

I am not touching the Pacquiao/Marquez fight

[poopoo333]

Mike Pierce said on his twitter his fight is @ 170.

[poopoo333]

On bookmaker you can get some cheaper lines...like Pierce -285 and Semerzier -105

[edman5555]

I am going to wait for the reduced juice on cain and hendo.I will be on both.

[Thewisemann]

Who wants to bet me? Im on JDS.

[MMA_scientist]

You giving even odds on Cain?

[SPX]

Who wants to bet me? Im on JDS.

Why JDS?

[Thewisemann]

You giving even odds on Cain?

Ill do 150

[Thewisemann]

Why JDS?Thinking of the Kongo fight plus the layoff. Im stil not sold on Cain. Ill risk $100 if anyone wants to give me +150

[poopoo333]

Thinking of the Kongo fight plus the layoff. Im stil not sold on Cain. Ill risk $100 if anyone wants to give me +150

What do you mean? You want +150 on JDS? He is around there on all the sportsbooks online.

$100 even money bet..I'd bet you

[Luke]

Thinking of the Kongo fight plus the layoff. Im stil not sold on Cain. Ill risk $100 if anyone wants to give me +150


I'll take the bet.

How you plan on getting me my money when JDS loses?

[Dr_Ngo]

Thinking about a small play on JDS at +158.

A year long layoff for Cain and shoulder surgery is really going to affect him. I also think JDS resume > Cain's. Cain's def still the favorite though, but at these odds JDS looks good.

[zY|]

Thinking of the Kongo fight plus the layoff. Im stil not sold on Cain. Ill risk $100 if anyone wants to give me +150

Look I'm not trying to argue (or maybe I am), but what do you mean 'the Kongo fight'? What I saw when I watched that fight was an absolute literal-middle-of-the-cage assraping and a 30-26 scorecard. I saw a guy get hit about as hard as you're gonna get hit, TWICE, walk right through it and continue the beatdown. I saw a dominating fight over a well-established veteran by an extremely young fighter. I saw a fight that was 2.5 years ago.

I'm also curious what you mean by 'not sold on him'. I mean, even if you think JDS is better, Cain is still miles ahead of everyone else in the rubbish HW division. Right?

If you just mean 'not sold on him about this fight', then disregard. I agree the layoff (and moreso the injury itself) is potentially troublesome.

[MMABuddha]

Bendo line might not be so great on the surface, but I see no way that Guida can win this fight. Horrible stylistic matchup for him, the fight should be more like -400 for Bendo, so I would bet heavily on him. I just can't see Guida winning, like at all.

[Thewisemann]

I'll take the bet.

How you plan on getting me my money when JDS loses?Check, money order, paypal, whatever. and you when JDS knocks him out?

[Thewisemann]

Look I'm not trying to argue (or maybe I am), but what do you mean 'the Kongo fight'? What I saw when I watched that fight was an absolute literal-middle-of-the-cage assraping and a 30-26 scorecard. I saw a guy get hit about as hard as you're gonna get hit, TWICE, walk right through it and continue the beatdown. I saw a dominating fight over a well-established veteran by an extremely young fighter. I saw a fight that was 2.5 years ago.

I'm also curious what you mean by 'not sold on him'. I mean, even if you think JDS is better, Cain is still miles ahead of everyone else in the rubbish HW division. Right?

If you just mean 'not sold on him about this fight', then disregard. I agree the layoff (and moreso the injury itself) is potentially troublesome.
Kongo rocked him a few times, and even took him down once. JDS takedown defense is better than Kongos IMO, and if JDS rocks him Cain isnt gonna be able to take him down to recover. And Cain is impressive, but im not sold on him being the best yet. He beat Nog who was a zombie and Lesnar, who i think Carwin or JDS would beat. I see this fight as a coin flip, slight edge to JDS.

[Svino]

Look I'm not trying to argue (or maybe I am), but what do you mean 'the Kongo fight'? What I saw when I watched that fight was an absolute literal-middle-of-the-cage assraping and a 30-26 scorecard. I saw a guy get hit about as hard as you're gonna get hit, TWICE, walk right through it and continue the beatdown. I saw a dominating fight over a well-established veteran by an extremely young fighter. I saw a fight that was 2.5 years ago.

I have to agree with the interpretation of the Kongo fight that Cain looked bad in a couple ways there. The fact that he couldn't finish Kongo on the ground wasn't great. More importantly, it was pretty clear that he would have gotten completely destroyed in a stand-up fight. Getting staggered by a punch is not "walking through it". He gave the impression of being a fighter who could barely survive the 30 seconds of standup it took for him to get a takedown, and made me think: "If he fights a guy with better TDD than Kongo, he could be in huge trouble."

But like you said, it was 2.5 years ago. Cain is a very different fighter now. In particular, his standup is much much better.

[Vandelay]

The big questions in this fight are can Cain keep JDS down? When JDS has been taken down, he scrambles like hell to get up. See the Gonzaga fight and...I think thats the only fight. Carwin got him into the same position that he had Mir in. Against the cage looking to dirty box him. JDS wouldnt allow himself to be pinned down. The other question is who has the better standup. Does one favor the straight boxing of JDS or the multifaceted attack of Velasquez?

[Svino]

The big questions in this fight are can Cain keep JDS down? When JDS has been taken down, he scrambles like hell to get up. See the Gonzaga fight and...I think thats the only fight.

Carwin also took JDS down and JDS fence-climbed fight back up.

[SPX]

Bendo line might not be so great on the surface, but I see no way that Guida can win this fight. Horrible stylistic matchup for him, the fight should be more like -400 for Bendo, so I would bet heavily on him. I just can't see Guida winning, like at all.

I agree that this seems like one Guida will be losing. I put 3u on Bendo as soon as the line opened.

[edman5555]

The problem I have with picking JDS is the wrestling and cardio aspect of the fight. If JDS can't knock Cain out he will have to wrestle with him. However good JDS's wrestling is, it isn't better than Cains. Cain has outwrestled every single opponent, including Brock Lesnar. We haven't really seen JDS have to grapple yet. That fact kind of makes me lean Cain for two reasons. One, JDS has no actual wrestling/judo/grappling experience on a competitive level. Two, if he has not done it in a pro fight yet to date, how much practice does he have in real tmie? I am sure he can learn a lot in training but can he really close the gap? If so, we haven't seen. I don't agree that stopping Carwin's td attempts counts for very much. He is a shittier wrestler with mediocre takedowns that moves much slower.

Also, Cains striking might be pretty decent at this point. I doubt he can outstrike JDS but he can probably close the distance enough to make it a wrestling match. If he can't consistently do that then there is a good chance his jaw will get him through bad situations.

[SPX]

My editor for the mag just shot me an e-mail asking if I was picking Cain or JDS.

My response:

My head says Cain, because he should have a wrestling and cardio advantage, and seems to have a pretty good chin.

But my heart says JDS, because I've backed that guy since almost as soon as he came into the UFC, and I was saying like 2 years ago that he would be champ. So I'd like love to see that prediction come true.

[SPX]

I agree with those above who said that JDS will have to be on his A game T3D wise, and he'll probably need to blast Cain early with a really hard shot. The longer the fight goes on, I think it favors Cain.

[poopoo333]

But my heart says JDS, because I've backed that guy since almost as soon as he came into the UFC, and I was saying like 2 years ago that he would be champ. So I'd like love to see that prediction come true.

I said the exact same thing after he KO'd Werdum. Too bad I didn't know Cain Velasquez was going to be better.

[poopoo333]

I agree with those above who said that JDS will have to be on his A game T3D wise, and he'll probably need to blast Cain early with a really hard shot. The longer the fight goes on, I think it favors Cain.

Yeah, if Cain tires JDS out in a grappling match early, JDS isn't going to have as much power behind his punches. I'm not sure about JDS' cardio either, he gassed against Roy Nelson, but then again he may have punched himself out.

[SPX]

I'm not sure about JDS' cardio either, he gassed against Roy Nelson, but then again he may have punched himself out.

He gassed, but there are levels of gassing. He did slow down, but it's not like he was leaning over with his hands on his knees or looked like Carwin in rd. 2 of the Brock fight.

[poopoo333]

He gassed, but there are levels of gassing. He did slow down, but it's not like he was leaning over with his hands on his knees or looked like Carwin in rd. 2 of the Brock fight.

So?

[SPX]

So?

. . . . . . .

[Thewisemann]

So Luke, bet or no bet?

[Vandelay]

Im positive cain will be able to take jds down at some point. However, its not easy to control someone who isnt content to stay on their back tho. Just like brock couldnt hold down cain, im not so sure cain will be able to hold down jds. JDS wont be playing the guard game with cain because he probably isnt the type of guy that can sub someone off his back.

[poopoo333]

Im positive cain will be able to take jds down at some point. However, its not easy to control someone who isnt content to stay on their back tho. Just like brock couldnt hold down cain, im not so sure cain will be able to hold down jds. JDS wont be playing the guard game with cain because he probably isnt the type of guy that can sub someone off his back.

I am not saying JDS won't be able to get back up, but Brock wasn't able to hold Cain down because Cain is an elite HW wrestler

[MMA_scientist]

Bendo line might not be so great on the surface, but I see no way that Guida can win this fight. Horrible stylistic matchup for him, the fight should be more like -400 for Bendo, so I would bet heavily on him. I just can't see Guida winning, like at all.

I am not sure Guida can't just wrestle him up. Bendo got taken down several times by Pettis and Bocec got a takedown on him too, I think Cowboy even took him down. Also, I think Bendo has better hands, but only slightly better. If Guida goes to his style and just goes for the dry hump decision, I think he could pull it off.

[SPX]

I think Bendo's hands are significantly better. His striking is above average for the division . . . Guida's is below average.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Guida's hands look like they have improved since he joined Jackson. He stood with Gomi, he didn't get taken out by Pettis (though he wasn't looking to stand)... I think Bendo has decent hands, but I don't remember him hurting anyone with strikes. He wins with grappling and pace. Guida grapple raped Pettis, who really got the better of Bendo on the mat IMO. I like Bendo, he is my favorite LW, but I don't think his line is justified. I would put him at around -170.

[SPX]

To be honest, I really am worried about Guida outwrestling him. Guida looked really effective against Pettis who, as you mentioned, hung in their with Bendo in the grappling. So yeah, it could happen, and the possibility makes me nervous.

So I dunno. Maybe I jumped the gun when I bet him. I really hope not. If Guida wins then he'll have cost me like 6u in his last 2 fights.

[sbjj]

Comparing Bendos fight with Pettis with Guidas is a big mistake IMO. Bendo took Pettis down but tried to finish him enabling Pettis to fire off subs and scramble. Guida straight just held on to him for dear life.

I do not think Guida will be able to do that to Ben. I actually think Ben will be the guy taking Guida down in this fight. I think Ben has an edge in every category here. And I think Guidas recent streak has alot more to do with luck than new camp or anything else.

[sbjj]

Also, as for Bocek. He is a complete stud, who was unlucky to get Ben as an opponent. Bocek is going to straight rape Lentz when they fight.

[MMA_scientist]

But Pettis and Bocek both took Bendo down... Both on straight up takedown attempts.

That said, I do think Bendo is going to win. And SPX, don't let me scare you, I don't know what the hell I am talking about, I can't win a bet to save my life. If it weren't for those submissin props, I would be having a very slow year.

[Svino]

Comparing Bendos fight with Pettis with Guidas is a big mistake IMO. Bendo took Pettis down but tried to finish him enabling Pettis to fire off subs and scramble. Guida straight just held on to him for dear life.

Sometimes there is a fight that is so inconsistent with what came before or what happened since that the best thing you can do is just remove it from your calculations altogether. I now believe that Bendo vs. Pettis is just such a fight. It was a great fight to watch, but I feel like it doesn't make any damn sense. I don't know if Bendo was under the weather or Pettis just hot that day or what.

[sbjj]

But guys have taken down Guida also. I just do not think that means a whole lot. Bocek and Miller are both good wrestlers and they just really did not have a whole lot of success. I think Guida might hit a couple of takedowns, but I think Ben will hit some also. The difference will be that Ben will be inflicting damage when he does.

Also, Guida is going to have to worry about getting chocked out every time he shoots. Ben will not have that same worry.

I think for Guida to win he has to fight a perfect fight against a guy that has him outgunned.

Now watch Guida hold Ben up against the cage and get a split decision win.

[sbjj]

Sometimes there is a fight that is so inconsistent with what came before or what happened since that the best thing you can do is just remove it from your calculations altogether. I now believe that Bendo vs. Pettis is just such a fight. It was a great fight to watch, but I feel like it doesn't make any damn sense. I don't know if Bendo was under the weather or Pettis just hot that day or what.

I think Pettis is actually a kick ass grapple that can grapple with anyone who is willing to grapple with him. Guida was not grappling when he beat Pettis. He was holding him down on the ground. I have no doubt that Ben could have done that same thing to Pettis. But he was stupid and he tried to inflict damage and give the fans an actual fight.

It basically comes down to me not believing Guida will be able to hold Ben down. Because that is the only way I see him winning.

[MMA_scientist]

Comparing Bendos fight with Pettis with Guidas is a big mistake IMO. Bendo took Pettis down but tried to finish him enabling Pettis to fire off subs and scramble. Guida straight just held on to him for dear life.

I do not think Guida will be able to do that to Ben. I actually think Ben will be the guy taking Guida down in this fight. I think Ben has an edge in every category here. And I think Guidas recent streak has alot more to do with luck than new camp or anything else.

There is definitely some truth to the different grappling styles... but one of the things that makes a guy a good grappler is the ability to force someone to play your game. Bendo has good enough wrestling that I think he can probably keep the action going, something like the Tyson Griffin/Guida fight... but that didn't stop Guida from winning most of the grappling enchanges.

One thing that also worries me is that Bendo has been into his jj lately, competing in Mundials in the gi... I just hope he hasn't gotten any real confidence in his guard. Just like wrestlers becoming kickboxers, you see wrestlers falling in love with jj and (and vice versa) and suddenly they start guard flopping (See Matt Hughes, Ben Askren) thinking that all they have to do is get it down and somehow they will take over...

As for Guida's lucky streak... ? I can see calling the Dos Anjos fight lucky since he broke his jaw (but I think Guida punched it to break it), but I don't think there was anything flukey about Gomi (other than he is Japanese and therefore not good in the UFC) and he went bell to bell with Pettis...

[MMA_scientist]

It basically comes down to me not believing Guida will be able to hold Ben down. Because that is the only way I see him winning.

On that we agree. But he has done it a lot of times before, so it makes me nervous. He is actually a pretty shitty fighter IMO, but he knows how to stall while being in a "superior" position.

If he comes to fight, he is dead.

[sbjj]

There is definitely some truth to the different grappling styles... but one of the things that makes a guy a good grappler is the ability to force someone to play your game. Bendo has good enough wrestling that I think he can probably keep the action going, something like the Tyson Griffin/Guida fight... but that didn't stop Guida from winning most of the grappling enchanges.

One thing that also worries me is that Bendo has been into his jj lately, competing in Mundials in the gi... I just hope he hasn't gotten any real confidence in his guard. Just like wrestlers becoming kickboxers, you see wrestlers falling in love with jj and (and vice versa) and suddenly they start guard flopping (See Matt Hughes, Ben Askren) thinking that all they have to do is get it down and somehow they will take over...

As for Guida's lucky streak... ? I can see calling the Dos Anjos fight lucky since he broke his jaw (but I think Guida punched it to break it), but I don't think there was anything flukey about Gomi (other than he is Japanese and therefore not good in the UFC) and he went bell to bell with Pettis...

You kind of answered your own question. He was lucky to fight Gomi. Any decent UFC LW would beat Gomi. And I think he was lucky to get Pettis at a time Pettis was hot. But Pettis did not even try to get back up most of the fight. He just had a very bad gameplan. I think Pettis could have fought Guida the same way he fought Stephens and maybe got the win or at least made it alot closer.

[SPX]

Also, as for Bocek. He is a complete stud, who was unlucky to get Ben as an opponent. Bocek is going to straight rape Lentz when they fight.

I agree he's good, but he's weirdly inconsistent.

He had an excellent performance against Jim Miller and decimated Hazelett, but got choked out by Danzig and lost convincingly to Bendo.

Not a guy I'd want to bet on, or against, anymore.

[sbjj]

On that we agree. But he has done it a lot of times before, so it makes me nervous. He is actually a pretty shitty fighter IMO, but he knows how to stall while being in a "superior" position.

If he comes to fight, he is dead.

Agreed. I just think Ben might be one of the hardest guys to stall. He has high energy and just seems strong as fuck. Your earlier point about Ben falling in love with his JJ is a bit worrying. But in his fights with Bocek and Miller he really seemed to realize how important it was to get off your back.

[sbjj]

I agree he's good, but he's weirdly inconsistent.

He had an excellent performance against Jim Miller and decimated Hazelett, but got choked out by Danzig and lost convincingly to Bendo.

Not a guy I'd want to bet on, or against, anymore.

I disagree. His fight with Danzig he was a completely different fighter. Hell, just look at the pics. He is now much stronger(thicker) and his striking is a whole lot better. I think his fights with Miller Hazelett and Ben are all consistent. He beat BOTH Miller and Hazelett and then just met a guy who at the moment is probably the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best LW on the planet.

[SPX]

That said, I do think Bendo is going to win. And SPX, don't let me scare you, I don't know what the hell I am talking about, I can't win a bet to save my life. If it weren't for those submissin props, I would be having a very slow year.

Eh, I have already been stressing about it. I was just really surprised at how effectively he was able to take Pettis down and hold onto him. I think of Pettis as actually having pretty decent T3D, and being good on the ground once it does get there, so I thought he would be able to stuff Guida or at least get back to his feet, and we all know how that fight went down.

[MMA_scientist]

Now watch Guida hold Ben up against the cage and get a split decision win.

He has had 4 split decisions in the UFC, that's pretty crazy. If you look at how Florian handled Guida's wrestling compared to Maynard's... I have to wonder how he keeps getting all these guys to engage in clinch wars with him. I mean, Florian ragdolled him. It seems like if guys turn the table on him, he has more trouble. If they try to avoid it, he just stays on them.

[sbjj]

He has had 4 split decisions in the UFC, that's pretty crazy. If you look at how Florian handled Guida's wrestling compared to Maynard's... I have to wonder how he keeps getting all these guys to engage in clinch wars with him. I mean, Florian ragdolled him. It seems like if guys turn the table on him, he has more trouble. If they try to avoid it, he just stays on them.

I think you are spot on. I think Bens best gameplan would be to go in there and try to plant Guida on his back.

[Ludo]

I think Guida's hands look like they have improved since he joined Jackson. He stood with Gomi, he didn't get taken out by Pettis (though he wasn't looking to stand)... I think Bendo has decent hands, but I don't remember him hurting anyone with strikes. He wins with grappling and pace. Guida grapple raped Pettis, who really got the better of Bendo on the mat IMO. I like Bendo, he is my favorite LW, but I don't think his line is justified. I would put him at around -170.

To be honest it's hard to compare the two fights given the circumstances. Bendo had to worry about defending his championship with no real tape to work with concerning how to hold him down to work on him. Guida had the benefit of far less pressure(he was supposed to lose that fight according to oddsmakers and all that) and he had the advantage of seeing where Bendo went wrong on the ground.

[poopoo333]

My biggest worry about Bendo is what SBJJ already said....Guida wins by cage pressing in a dumb decision. SBJJ...who else do you like on this card?

[sbjj]

My biggest worry about Bendo is what SBJJ already said....Guida wins by cage pressing in a dumb decision. SBJJ...who else do you like on this card?

I really do not see a dog I like. I was thinking Garza but have come to the realization that he is going to get beat up. I was trying to split the fights up into groups on terms of how sure I was of the winners. Pierce and Ben were at the top. So I may just parlay the two of them. I kinda like Lamas also, but not a bunch.

I actually think JDS is approaching a price where I might HAVE to bet him. Even money I would take Cain. But I think +150 on JDS shows some value. Even before the layoff I always thought JDS would be Cains tought fight.

[poopoo333]

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[edman5555]

Wiseman, you seem so confident about jds. Will you really be shocked to see him lose?

[Svino]

I actually think JDS is approaching a price where I might HAVE to bet him. Even money I would take Cain. But I think +150 on JDS shows some value. Even before the layoff I always thought JDS would be Cains tought fight.

That's about where I am, too. I think Cain will probably be able to land enough takedowns to make up for any disadvantage on the feet, but it's really close, and JDS keeps surprising me. If the line tips much further, I may have to bet JDS.

Also, let me add that I am really looking forward to this fight as a fan. It is so rare that we get an MMA fight between the best two open-weight fighters in the world, which I think these are. You had Fedor / Nog, and maybe Fedor / Cro-Cop or (by Sherdong rankings) Fedor / Arlovski, but this fight is certainly the first time it's happened in the UFC since the very early days. It has been a long time since there's been a fight I've been this psyched to see.

[sbjj]

That's about where I am, too. I think Cain will probably be able to land enough takedowns to make up for any disadvantage on the feet, but it's really close, and JDS keeps surprising me. If the line tips much further, I may have to bet JDS.

Also, let me add that I am really looking forward to this fight as a fan. It is so rare that we get an MMA fight between the best two open-weight fighters in the world, which I think these are. You had Fedor / Nog, and maybe Fedor / Cro-Cop or (by Sherdong rankings) Fedor / Arlovski, but this fight is certainly the first time it's happened in the UFC since the very early days. It has been a long time since there's been a fight I've been this psyched to see.

100% agree.

[Luke]

Check, money order, paypal, whatever. and you when JDS knocks him out?


check or money order would be great since I don't use paypal anymore and I can send you the same if I lose.

so is it a bet.....my 150 for your 100 ,you have JDS I have Cain?

[Luke]

So Luke, bet or no bet?

Yes.
Sorry I didn't respond sooner but I'm not able to get on here until later in the day anymore.

[Thewisemann]

check or money order would be great since I don't use paypal anymore and I can send you the same if I lose.

so is it a bet.....my 150 for your 100 ,you have JDS I have Cain?its a bet and i would prefer check or money order also

[Thewisemann]

t this fight is 50/50 or 55/45 JDS. alot of fights i break down im not confident in my breakdown, this one i am. I can see Cain winning a dec or late TKO. As the fight goes i think it favors Cain, unless the layoff affected him. But my prediction is JDS 1st rd TKO.

[SPX]

Yes.
Sorry I didn't respond sooner but I'm not able to get on here until later in the day anymore.

Homo.

[poopoo333]

I think Cain wins a decision

[SPX]

Well we all seem to agree on one thing, and that's that if the fight doesn't go all 3 then it's JDS's fault.

[poopoo333]

^^all 5*

[SPX]

Oh yeah. Right.

[Luke]

its a bet and i would prefer check or money order also


Deal.::handshake::

GL

[poopoo333]

You know what's weird? This Saturday we are gonna see either JDS or Cain lose.

[SPX]

That's pretty crazy, yeah. The UFC definitely picked the best fight for to headline their first FOX show.

[zY|]

Well we all seem to agree on one thing, and that's that if the fight doesn't go all 3 then it's JDS's fault.

YOu don't think Cain can stop him via attrition?

[Svino]

Just throwing out a question: a lot of people seem to be assuming Cain has the better cardio. Do we really know that?

[zY|]

Just throwing out a question: a lot of people seem to be assuming Cain has the better cardio. Do we really know that?

Yes.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Cain can stop him. We haven't seen JDS on the ground... He is probably pretty good, but when you get tired with a big guy on top of you, it is hard to get up and you do stupid things. I could see Cain pounding him out anytime after about 7 or 8 minutes- assuming the cardio legends are true.

[MMA_scientist]

^I don't expect that to happen though. I do think Cain is going to win, but I see it as almost 50/50. I should be excited for this fight, but I am not a fan of either guy and I find them both pretty likable so I don't really care who wins. I am actually more excited about Bendo/Guida.

[Thewisemann]

Im really pumped for this fight.

[MMA_scientist]

I will be excited when it comes on, and I usually like watching good HW's, because it is almost guaranteed to end violently. BUt I just don't a rooting interest, so it is like watching the super bowl for me.

[SPX]

YOu don't think Cain can stop him via attrition?

Well, we haven't seen JDS in the championship rounds, so I have to say that it's possible. But I don't expect it.

[Ludo]

Well, we haven't seen JDS in the championship rounds, so I have to say that it's possible. But I don't expect it.

We have seen him tired after three rounds against someone who pushes the pace about a third as much as Cain does. If it lasts that long I think we see JDS pretty fuckin' exhausted.

[SPX]

Yeah, if Cain is still conscious at that point.

[MMA_scientist]

I was railing against Demarques Johnson's line yesterday... but now I find myself considering betting him. Johnson/Pierce/not cigano by sub/not Guida by sub is Even money.

[Svino]

We have seen him tired after three rounds against someone who pushes the pace about a third as much as Cain does. If it lasts that long I think we see JDS pretty fuckin' exhausted.

But the only time we've seen Cain go any real distance at all is against a guy he could completely dominate on the ground. I wouldn't say Brock has amazing cardio, but he went 15 without tiring against Herring, similarly. It seems to me like a lot of Cain's cardio rep comes from what his camp says, but that's where we get lines like "Cawin's best round is the 5th." too.

[poopoo333]

But the only time we've seen Cain go any real distance at all is against a guy he could completely dominate on the ground. I wouldn't say Brock has amazing cardio, but he went 15 without tiring against Herring, similarly. It seems to me like a lot of Cain's cardio rep comes from what his camp says, but that's where we get lines like "Cawin's best round is the 5th." too.

Agreed..there is a chance Cain's "endless cardio" is all hype

[poopoo333]

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[edman5555]

Well Cain did put a really high pace on Ben Rothwell and cheick Kongo. He was just non stop with wrestling, hoisting guys over his head. Rothwell is like 265 too.

[edman5555]

This gambling thing sure is hard...Junior or Cain. I was all about Cain for a while but it seems like everyone disagrees with me on some level. If I can get a better line on Cain I will probably put a decent bet on him.

[MMA_scientist]

I think that fight is incredibly hard to call because we have never seen either one of them lose a round. Neither has shown any weaknesses at all (aside from Cain getting hit if you can call that a weakness, and JDS tiring somewhat against Roy). Hard to picture either man getting beat up. I am staying away, but I will take the +odds on JDS if I had to bet.

[Thewisemann]

This gambling thing sure is hard...Junior or Cain. I was all about Cain for a while but it seems like everyone disagrees with me on some level. If I can get a better line on Cain I will probably put a decent bet on him.Ill give you -150

[edman5555]

No I'm not doing intra IWS bets. I just read there is a rumor of a Cain injury in camp. I am thinking about putting my money on Bendo now.

[SPX]

Fuck it, JDS up to +170. Went ahead and bet him for enough to win a unit.

Also bet Poirier and Bruce Leeroy.

[MMA_scientist]

I am considering JDS too. @ +170, you pretty much have to bet that.

[MMA_scientist]

Also, just turned on my local Fox station to set my DVR for tomorrow... it is not on. They have Bonanza on. I am super pissed, I am hoping it is just a mistake on the menu, because I am getting ready to call the station.

[zY|]

Agreed..there is a chance Cain's "endless cardio" is all hype

I guess there's a 'chance'.

But if you watch any of his fights, he puts on a pace that is just unreal for a HW. Also, if you listen to anyone that's ever trained with him or watched him train, they all, without exception, say the same thing.

[Luke]

Ill give you -150

you wanting to bet more?

[Vandelay]

any1 else concerned with cain coming in higher than his usual weight at 249?

[Svino]

any1 else concerned with cain coming in higher than his usual weight at 249?

Not really, heavys fluctuate by a few pounds all the time.