UFC 141 Ubereem vs Brock 12/30

[poopoo333]

Breaking: Sources say Jon Fitch to face Johny Hendricks @UFC (http://twitter.com/#%21/UFC) 141 on Dec. 30.


::thumbup::

[MMA_scientist]

Win.

[sideloaded]

Wow, might be the worst fight in history. I wonder who can hump the others leg harder?

[Luke]

Wow, might be the worst fight in history. I wonder who can hump the others leg harder?

hopefully they'll make it a 5 rounder

[Mr. IWS]

Are the sources Luke's?

[Vandelay]

Ill be on hendricks as the dog here. Not sure where u guys get at calling hendricks a dry-humper. Dude's developed his striking really well and should have the edge standing.

...waiting for scientist to come in and tell us hendricks will take this easy and then run thru gsp...

[Luke]

Are the sources Luke's?

BOLZZZ!!!!!!!!!

You guys act like I get the info on a hourly basis. I only get info when I email him about certain things,which is about once every week or two.

[poopoo333]

Just some thoughts on why I like this match for Johny, Johny is a more versatile striker with KO power who does well against wrestlers that don't wall him (Story).

He's also got a new striking coach who is a better fit for him and has started training at OSU again. The worst thing that can happen to Johny is a decision loss, he isn't getting submitted or knocked out. Fitch is also coming off major surgery to his RC, he won't be cleared by the AC until December and the fight is in December. I think this is a very winnable fight, but I said the same thing about Guillard-Roller so my bias is obvious.

-somebody from marc laimon's gym

[zY|]

Doesn't sound biased at all.

[Ludo]

It really doesn't paint a very biased picture at all to be honest. Everything he said is pretty on point except I think Fitch can wall and stall him to a point. Fitch is a huge welterweight. On the flip side though it's entirely possible Hendricks can land some shots standing or on the break aways.

[MMA_scientist]

Fitch is a bigger man, but Hendricks is the better wrestler. No way can Fitch hold him down. Fitch has better striking technique, but Hendricks has more power. They both have great chins.

Hendricks can win this for sure. I am not saying he will win, but I see it as a 50/50 fight, so I will be on Hendricks as the dog.

Hendricks is not a leg humper. He has finished 70% of his fights. Don't hate his beard.

[MMA_scientist]

...waiting for scientist to come in and tell us hendricks will take this easy and then run thru gsp...

Don't be mad because it is coming true.

[Svino]

Fitch doesn't need to hold Hendricks down to win, though. He just needs to get all up in his grill and be Fitch.

[poopoo333]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c352/JoeyvanTienen/alga.gif

[sideloaded]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c352/JoeyvanTienen/alga.gif

oh wow, just.........................wow

[MMA_scientist]

who is that

[MMA_scientist]

nm, i see now that it is overeem.

sigh...

[poopoo333]

who is that

http://i37.tinypic.com/rsfmdl.gif

[sideloaded]

poopoo did you have that saved on your computer? Imagine if your parents found that. They for sure would think you're a homosexual and while you're at the gym you really blowing guys cocks.

[poopoo333]

poopoo did you have that saved on your computer? Imagine if your parents found that. They for sure would think you're a homosexual and while you're at the gym you really blow guys cock.

No, not saved on my computer. Google my friend

[Luke]

poopoo did you have that saved on your computer? Imagine if your parents found that. They for sure would think you're a homosexual and while you're at the gym you really blowing guys cocks.


::lmao::

[Mr. IWS]

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/10008997.jpg

[poopoo333]

Alexander Gustafsson vs. Vladimir Matyushenko added to December's UFC 141 event (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25338/alexander-gustafsson-vs-vladimir-matyushenko-added-to-decembers-ufc-141-event.mma)

[poopoo333]

Jake Ellenberger and Diego Sanchez scheduled for battle at UFC 141 (http://mmamatrix.net/index.php/component/content/article/1-latest-news/446-jake-ellenberger-and-diego-sanchez-scheduled-for-battle-at-ufc-141-mma)

[SPX]

That should be a good scrap. I got Ellenberger in that one.

[Luke]

Bad match up for Diego

[Thewisemann]

Ellenberger all day

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBSnt1oHuE&feature=channel_video_title

[SPX]

Pimp

I'm torn on that fight. Who's going to win?

[poopoo333]

I dunno

[Luke]

Really think this will be Brock's last fight in the UFC

[poopoo333]

Really think this will be Brock's last fight in the UFC

You don't think he will drop down to LHW to fight Jon Jones if he loses?

[Luke]

You don't think he will drop down to LHW to fight Jon Jones if he loses?

How he going to make 205, the Kyle Maynard way?

[SPX]

I have to pick this fight and Hendricks/Fitch for the magazine.

I'm going with Fitch, but I'm not sure about Brock/Overeem. Can Reem stop the takedown? If not, will he be too gassed after a round and a half to win?

[poopoo333]

How he going to make 205, the Kyle Maynard way?

He will try to get diverticulitis again to make it easier.


I have to pick this fight and Hendricks/Fitch for the magazine.

I'm going with Fitch, but I'm not sure about Brock/Overeem. Can Reem stop the takedown? If not, will he be too gassed after a round and a half to win?

I'm torn on the fight..either Brock is able to take Ubereem down and tire him out, or Ubereem stuffs him once or twice and makes Brock do a back roll after touching him.

[poopoo333]

Dong Hyun Kim vs. Sean Pierson scheduled for UFC 141

......

[SPX]

Something tells me Pierson is going to regret not just keeping his job as a cop.

[poopoo333]

Jacob Volkmann vs. T.J. Grant booked for UFC 141 in Las Vegas (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25784/jacob-volkmann-vs-t-j-grant-booked-for-ufc-141-in-las-vegas.mma)

[Mr. IWS]

Everytime this thread gets bumped, Im expecting to see that the fight is cancelled (brock/reem)

[SPX]

Diverticulitis FTL

[poopoo333]

Donald Cerrone vs. Nate Diaz targeted for UFC 141 in Las Vegas (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25880/donald-cerrone-vs-nate-diaz-targeted-for-ufc-141-in-las-vegas.mma)

The latest UFC 141 card now includes:


Brock Lesnar vs. Alistair Overeem
Donald Cerrone vs. Nate Diaz
Jon Fitch vs. Johny Hendricks
Alexander Gustafsson vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
Dong Hyun Kim vs. Sean Pierson
T.J. Grant vs. Jacob Volkmann

[Vandelay]

over/under 2 fighters that pull out of fights for this card?

[Mr. IWS]

over/under 2 fighters that pull out of fights for this card?

Over for sure. that is a lock.

[poopoo333]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/brock-lesnar-training-like-animal-weighing-between-279-285-now-1867779/

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4595.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

I think I'm sold on Gustaffson after his destruction of Hamill. He's probably worth -280.

[poopoo333]

Report: Ross Pearson vs. Junior Assuncao Planned for UFC 141 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/10/31/2527027/report-ross-pearson-vs-junior-assuncao-planned-for-ufc-141)

[poopoo333]

Cerrone -400 Diaz +280 on 5 dimes ::jaydrop::

[SPX]

Damn, that really sucks. I wasn't expecting it to be that bad.

[poopoo333]

I bet on Diaz +280, line was way off

[SPX]

I agree that it's off, but I'm not betting Diaz. It'll probably end up being like Cerrone/Siver where there's "value" on Siver but it just doesn't pay off.

[poopoo333]

Nunes/Gamburyan added

[SPX]

I favor Nunes, but don't be surprised if Manny grinds him down.

[Luke]

I'll throw something on Diaz just because the Cerrone hype train is getting out of hand

[poopoo333]

I put 3u on Diaz @+280...I don't understand the line at all. Diaz loses to top control wrestlers/grapplers/bigger guys. I don't see Cerrone having the offense wrestling/top game to completely stifle Diaz..if this is all on the feet and turns into a striking match Diaz's volume and non stop coming forward should look better to the judges. I don't think Cerrone should be higher than -150 to be honest

[Luke]

I put 3u on Diaz @+280...I don't understand the line at all. Diaz loses to top control wrestlers/grapplers/bigger guys. I don't see Cerrone having the offense wrestling/top game to completely stifle Diaz..if this is all on the feet and turns into a striking match Diaz's volume and non stop coming forward should look better to the judges. I don't think Cerrone should be higher than -150 to be honest


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[MMA_scientist]

agree,agree,agree...handshake.gif

+2

[Thewisemann]

Diaz is a great bet

[edman5555]

yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes.

[SPX]

I actually kind of like it.

[Luke]

I actually kind of like it.

the poster?

[SPX]

Yeah.

[Ludo]

So Nate is permanently back at 155? That was quick.

[SPX]

I think he realized that he could beat guys like Marcus Davis and Rory Markham, but that he couldn't handle the top guys.

[Ludo]

I think he realized that he could beat guys like Marcus Davis and Rory Markham, but that he couldn't handle the top guys.

He figured out the same thing at 155 a long time ago. Beating the overconfident Melvin Guillards and the Kurt Pellegrino's while losing to the actual contenders like Joe Daddy and Maynard. Maybe he just doesn't want to be in the same division as his brother in the same company.

[SPX]

He figured out the same thing at 155 a long time ago. Beating the overconfident Melvin Guillards and the Kurt Pellegrino's while losing to the actual contenders like Joe Daddy and Maynard. Maybe he just doesn't want to be in the same division as his brother in the same company.

The Maynard fight was super-close, though. If I remember correctly, it was a split, and I was pretty afraid for my money when the decision was being announced.

I did think Maynard won, but it was damn close. I guess basically what I'm saying is that Diaz won't be the champ in either division, but he's higher on the totem poll at 155 than 170.

[poopoo333]

Video: Alistair Overeem Joins Xtreme Couture and Details Reasons for Split With Golden Glory on ‘The Reem’ Ep. 07 (http://www.cagepotato.com/video-alistair-overeem-joins-xtreme-couture-and-details-reasons-for-split-with-golden-glory-on-the-reem-ep-07/)

[SPX]

Weird.

[poopoo333]

Werdum/Schaub is supposed to be on this card

[Luke]

another loss for schaub I see

[poopoo333]

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2257395/Lesnar-Reem_1_presser_large.jpg

[zY|]

The poster for this event is absolutely atrocious.

[poopoo333]

The poster for this event is absolutely atrocious.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2256777/method_get_s_ufc-141-poster_large.jpg
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[Dr_Ngo]

looks like a porno cover for fags that like big guys

[SPX]

BOL!

Kinda does. . .

[Ludo]

They both look like a couple of rapists in those photos. They model prison villains after those two looking like that.

[poopoo333]

Anthony Njokuani vs. Ramsey Nijem In the Works for UFC 141 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/14/2561618/anthony-njokuani-vs-ramsey-nijem-in-the-works-for-ufc-141)

[SPX]

Enjokeoohhahni should win that one, but Ramsey looked really good against Downes. Then again, he was fighting Danny Downes.

[poopoo333]

I think Ramsey has a good shot...if he comes to grapple

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8prwdviyg&feature=player_embedded

[poopoo333]

The full UFC 141 card includes:

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)


Brock Lesnar vs. Alistair Overeem
Donald Cerrone vs. Nate Diaz
Jon Fitch vs. Johny Hendricks
Alexander Gustafsson vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
Jim Hettes vs. Nam Phan

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)

Junior Assuncao vs. Ross Pearson
Ramsey Nijem vs. Anthony Njokuani

PRELIMINARY CARD

Dong Hyun Kim vs. Sean Pierson
T.J. Grant vs. Jacob Volkmann
Luis Ramos vs. Matt Riddle
Manny Gamburyan vs. Diego Nunes

[poopoo333]

Really surprised to see Brock +135.

Line guesses on Fitch/Hendricks? And Grant/Volkmann is a real interesting fight..Grant looked great against a wrestler in Roller. How good are Nijem's takedowns?

[edman5555]

who do you guys favor in the brock/overeem fight? I guess I favor Overeem. Much better striker, good chokes, equal strength and decent takedown defense.

[poopoo333]

I kind of favor Brock, if he gets one TD, Ubereem will probably get tired.

[AC88]

I'm taking Overeem. Brock is using Pat Barry solely for his sparring striking? Overeem has faced, sparred and beaten much more credible opponents. I can see Brock taking down Overeem but I think Overeem can take Brock down too honestly. Overeem's experience will play a huge factor. But one thing's for sure: whoever gets tired first will lose and lose horribly.

[SPX]

I kind of favor Brock, if he gets one TD, Ubereem will probably get tired.

I think if Brock can get the TD train started early on then he could definitely win. Like, if his very first takedown is successful, that might be all he needs. But if not then I guess he's fucked.

[Ludo]

I think if Brock can get the TD train started early on then he could definitely win. Like, if his very first takedown is successful, that might be all he needs. But if not then I guess he's fucked.

Unless he can go all Jake Shields and chain them to tire Overeem out. Once Reem's gas tank runs out, assuming it goes on that long, things could turn around quickly for Brock. That said I think Reem takes it. Brock reacts in the worst possible way to being hit hard and Reem is nothing but explosive strikes.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, it's basically a gamble of: If Brock gets hit in the face once kind of hard, it's probably over. If Brock can get inside and work for a TD, Ubereem will probably get tired and get beat up. He was gassed against Werdum and they weren't really doing anything.

[Ludo]

Yeah, it's basically a gamble of: If Brock gets hit in the face once kind of hard, it's probably over. If Brock can get inside and work for a TD, Ubereem will probably get tired and get beat up. He was gassed against Werdum and they weren't really doing anything.

I'm thinking the same thing. Werdum was posing half assed takedowns from way outside and feeble attempts at pulling guard before he had a good hold on Reem. Brock will be pressing on him and making him really work to fend off the takedown. I think if Brock can keep Reem busy and against the fence for a whole round he should be able to take over in the second round.

[MMA_scientist]

I think there are questions about both guys. I slightly favor Brock I guess.

[Ludo]

I would favor Brock if he didn't react so badly to getting hit hard. With his poor defense it's less and less likely he can fully stop Overeem from landing on him. Any time he's not pressing Reem against the fence is a time he's at major risk of getting rocked, sent running, and potentially on his back getting pounded on again.

[MMA_scientist]

I mean, he has defeated guys that can hit before. I think it is a little bit of an overreaction.

[Luke]

There shouldnt be any question on whether Brock can get Reem down or not.

[Ludo]

I mean, he has defeated guys that can hit before. I think it is a little bit of an overreaction.

I don't think it is really. Who has he fought that can hit as hard as Cain or Carwin? Mir has shown the ability to hit hard at times but never quite so devastatingly as Carwin. Aside from Mir you have Herring who had the takedown defense of Kyle Maynard that night. I would say Overeem hits just as hard if not harder than both Cain and Carwin, he will also be looking to land knee's which Brock has never had to deal with like this before. Barry is going to be helpful to a degree in dealing with the technique level itself but there's no accounting for Overeems raw power behind everything. The guy headhunts quite a bit, and he loves to load up.

[MMA_scientist]

Well Cain has never really shown any power before then, and he did survive the Carwin shot. Mir has shown just as much power as Cain- and really Randy has dropped HW's before too and so has Herring.

[Ludo]

Well Cain has never really shown any power before then, and he did survive the Carwin shot. Mir has shown just as much power as Cain- and really Randy has dropped HW's before too and so has Herring.

That combo Cain put on Minotauro was devastating. Randy dropped Tim Sylvia who wasn't expecting a punch to open up. Mir has shown just as much power as cain when he's 280lbs fighting Cheick Kongo. But Mir has never shown Carwin/Cain type power other than that shot on Kongo which he landed with his eyes closed. This is still a new breed of animal for Brock.

[poopoo333]

There shouldnt be any question on whether Brock can get Reem down or not.

I take it you think he can?

[Luke]

I take it you think he can?

Yeah

[Ludo]

Yeah

Now girls jumping on trampolines!

[poopoo333]

Yeah

Me too. Did you change your mind on this fight? I thought you liked Overeem when it was first announced

[MMA_scientist]

I thought it was 50/50... but I am really starting to lean Brock.

[poopoo333]

Bet on Brock and hedge with Ubereem KO of the night

[MMA_scientist]

That might be a way to go. I doubt Overeem can KO him cold though. I am probably going to make a play on Brock as long as he stays in + odds

[poopoo333]

+155 @ Bodog looks nice

[SPX]

I thought it was 50/50... but I am really starting to lean Brock.

It's one of those fights that's 50/50 only because there are too many factors to know how it's going to go. But on fight night one guy or the other may very well dominate.

[MMA_scientist]

It's one of those fights that's 50/50 only because there are too many factors to know how it's going to go. But on fight night one guy or the other may very well dominate.

Exactly. Either Brock is going to be able to get him down right away or he isn't. I will say that Overeem is more equipped to handle Brock's game than Brock is to handle Overeem's game. If they stand up, Brock is dead. If they go down, Overeem might be able to survive for a while or even pull off a submission (I don't think so personally though). I think if Brock can get him down and keep him there, he will hamburger his face pretty good. I also expect Overeem to tire before Brock. I don't like Brock at all, but I can admit that he has shown pretty impressive cardio and heart. And I honestly think he could probably be ADCC champ if he would focus on submission defense for a while.

[edman5555]

Really? Adcc champ????

[MMA_scientist]

Really? Adcc champ????

I don't see why not. Mark Kerr did it. The HWs are different. I think Werdum may be able to catch him from his back... but there really are not a lot of good HWs. Vinny won ADCC HW this year, and he is really a 98kg guy that went up to fight in an easier division. Alot of the HWs rely on getting on top, it is more like wrestling than at the lower weights. It is obvious that his "MMA training" has mostly been adding submissions and guard passing to his wrestling. He looked pretty damn good on top of Mir and that was a couple years back. Once he got on top of Carwin, it only took him a couple seconds to sink the submission. He's pretty good on the ground I think.

[mike]

lines for Fitch/Hendricks out on 5dimes. I like Hendricks at + odds in this one.

[SPX]

Well Hendricks is the future WW champ, so he should be good to win this one.

[Vandelay]

Hmmmm. That line will probably get closer to even. plus 220 woulda been nice.

[zY|]

Brock hurts Overeem with punches standing and finishes on the ground. Round 1. Calling it now.

[SPX]

I'll BOL my ass off if that happens.

Fuck it, War Brock.

[Ludo]

There's really no reason that can't happen to be honest. Overeem is a cocky guy and he probably doesn't respect Brock's striking at all. As hard as Lesnar can throw punches and with Reem's sub-par striking defense when he doesn't have 16oz gloves on could be a disaster waiting to happen for him. Brock might just come out looking to go crazy like he did with Cain trying to hurt him early and drain some of that stamina. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see anything happen in this fight aside from Brock pulling a non choke submission and Reem caving in Brocks skull.

[SPX]

Well Werdum did outstrike Overeem for a round, so if Reem is particularly concerned about a takedown (as he should be) then who knows.

[AC88]

Brock coming off another layoff and surgery?!?!?! It's Reem or nothing for me.

[Mr. IWS]

Brock hurts Overeem with punches standing and finishes on the ground. Round 1. Calling it now.

::shake::

[MMA_scientist]

Well Hendricks is the future WW champ, so he should be good to win this one.

+1, well said

[MMA_scientist]

Hendricks is at +170, is that going up or down?

[poopoo333]

“Usually I’m not gonna train with Brock, there’s no reason, he’s too big for me, but I did roll with him one time, and number one, it was really gross because the dude sweats like a ridiculous amount, so I was just covered in Brock Lesnar sweat, like just dripping in his sweat. But then he was kinda messing around and I jumped on a guillotine, and I wound up actually tapping him out, and then he actually got kinda angry, and the next time that we started, he just picked me up above his head WWE style, and like threw me across the room, so that was the end of my training with Brock. So yeah, I got him one time. I jumped on a guillotine, because he wasn’t ready for it, and I choked him out, and then after that I got thrown across the room.”

-Nik Lentz

[SPX]

BOL!

That's some funny shit.

[edman5555]

if nik lentz can choke him alistair definetly can. Suprising.

[Ludo]

Brock coming off another layoff and surgery?!?!?! It's Reem or nothing for me.

He won the last time he came back off a long layoff and surgery...

[SPX]

if nik lentz can choke him alistair definetly can. Suprising.

I don't think anyone doubts that Overeem CAN choke him, but this won't be a training session so I have doubts that Brock will actually let him get into a position to do it.

[AC88]

He won the last time he came back off a long layoff and surgery...

He was given that win by a better fighter who gassed IMO.

[poopoo333]

With T.J. Grant Injured, Efrain Escudero Returns to Face Jacob Volkmann at UFC 141 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/12/6/2616311/report-t-j-grant-injured-efrain-escudero-returns-to-face-jacob)

[zY|]

if nik lentz can choke him alistair definetly can. Suprising.

It's training.

[SPX]

Wow, Efrain back in the house. . .

[Ludo]

He was given that win by a better fighter who gassed IMO.

He also weathered a storm few people alive could have endured without waking up to Bruce Buffer reading Shane Carwins name after "and NEWWWWWWWW heavyweight champion!". I find it extremely hard to believe Carwin should have been that much more gassed than Lesnar with all the damage he inflicted. He wasn't given anything, he went and took it after taking everything Carwin had.

[poopoo333]

Nijem injured, Castillo in against Njoukani at UFC 141.

[Ludo]

Nijem injured, Castillo in against Njoukani at UFC 141.

I got Castillo here so long as he comes to wrestle.

[SPX]

I agree.

Castillo just needs to. . .




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[Luke]

Anyone like Grant or Nijem? Line guesses?

[SPX]

You're a douche.

[poopoo333]

Ubereem/Brock not to go 5 round distance is -475. Seems like free money

[SPX]

Like JDS/Cain to go to a decision?

[Vandelay]

future ww champ up to plus 220 again. I believe line will drop again, so i threw a unit on it.

[MMA_scientist]

Future champ already back down to +170. Nice grab.

[Mr. IWS]

Future champ already back down to +170. Nice grab.

Fitch?

[Mr. IWS]

Ubereem/Brock not to go 5 round distance is -475. Seems like free money

Fuck that looks sweet. I will be on that for sure.

[poopoo333]

Fuck that looks sweet. I will be on that for sure.

You should probably get on it now..I doubt it holds

[SPX]

Y'all are retarded. Fuck betting ANY prop at almost -500.

[Mr. IWS]

Y'all are retarded. Fuck betting ANY prop at almost -500.

X likes 16 year old girls -20000

that is a lock if there ever was one.

[Mr. IWS]

You should probably get on it now..I doubt it holds

No account for Mr. IWS

I dont get my MMA odds till a couple days before the event from my local. Ill probably have to lay like -700 day of the fight.

[SPX]

X likes 16 year old girls -20000

that is a lock if there ever was one.



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[poopoo333]

Y'all are retarded. Fuck betting ANY prop at almost -500.

Oh, ok. So you wouldn't bet "Not Cro Cop by sub" over Big Nog @-500?

[Mr. IWS]

http://img.perthstreetbikes.com/img/0/8/1/pedobear-too-old.jpg

LOL reeped

[SPX]

Oh, ok. So you wouldn't bet "Not Cro Cop by sub" over Big Nog @-500?

. . . I see your point.

[Luke]

Need to find out how Brock is doing in training camp and see if his 2 inch intestine is holding up. If everything checks out I'm taking Lesnar.

[Mr. IWS]

Need to find out how Brock is doing in training camp and see if his 2 inch intestine is holding up. If everything checks out I'm taking Lesnar.

I talked to Pat Barry, he said its cool.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/680-true-story-guy.png

[poopoo333]

I'll probably bet large on Brock for the last bet of the year, hopefully his line gets better.

That being said..I want to see Ubereem win

[MMA_scientist]

I saw that horsemeat became legal in the U.S. lat weak. Overeem is training in Vegas. Coincidence? All in on Reem.

[poopoo333]

I saw that horsemeat became legal in the U.S. lat weak. Overeem is training in Vegas. Coincidence? All in on Reem.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/967121-alistair-overeem-is-back-in-holland-to-train-so-he-can-take-care-of-his-mom

[MMA_scientist]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/horses-could-soon-slaughtered-meat-081122043.html

[SPX]

Poor horses!

[poopoo333]

I'll try horse meat.

[MMA_scientist]

I will go beyond trying it. It's all I can thnk about now.

[Svino]

You should probably get on it now..I doubt it holds

I dunno; I might bet any distance prop at +500.

Remember: Cain / Carwin, Hunt / Rothwell, Rua / Henderson...

[zY|]

I will go beyond trying it. It's all I can thnk about now.

Indeed.

I want horse meat in my face, like now.

[Ludo]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/229595/380425_321685641180131_164894473525916_1545041_160 559986_n.jpg

[Svino]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/229595/380425_321685641180131_164894473525916_1545041_160 559986_n.jpg

I think they got the monsters swapped.

[mike]

not sure when the line for Hendricks-Fitch came out on Bmaker but I put 2u on Hendricks.

[poopoo333]

How is Phan's grappling compared to Hettes'?

[MMA_scientist]

Hettes got in a little trouble with Caceres didn't he?
I would still think Hettes would have better top control, but that Phan is going to be able to defend himself.

I am thinking about Diaz. I think he is a tough matchup for cowboy, but I never give Cerrone any credit, so I don't know if I am just doing that again. But @ +200, I like Diaz a lot. I actually think Diaz is going to win, so to get him @ 2:1 seems pretty great. He has only lost via top control and via Rory macdonald beat down. His boxing looked sharp against Gomi.

[poopoo333]

I put 3u on Diaz @+280, I think the line should be close to even.

[Luke]

NSAC hearing today, where Overeem is applying for a fighter's license. Sources confirm Mir has been asked if he'd be ready

Something odd is going on.

[MMA_scientist]

Reem is supposedly having trouble with his prefight drug test. Shocking, absolutely shocking. Maybe because he flew out of the US as soon as he found out they were testing...

[SPX]

BOL. Didn't that Euro-Nigga know that he was going to get tested? Reem = fail and he's fucking up this fight.

[sbjj]

Lesnar and Overeem were contacted to have tests done. Lesnar went to a hospital to do it. Overeem "we'll deal with later" the commission says. Lesnar was clean.



UH-OH!

[Mr. IWS]

BOL. Didn't that Euro-Nigga know that he was going to get tested? Reem = fail and he's fucking up this fight.

Bulz Reps for life on Euro-Nigga!!!!

Ill be on Brocky for sure if Mir takes Reems spot.

[edman5555]

I agree Nate has a good shot against Cerrone. The striking should be somewhat even. Maybe an edge to Diaz on the ground. Cerrone might have the better wrestling though. Either way, Nate at +200 is pretty decent.

[Ludo]

Ill be on Brocky for sure if Mir takes Reems spot.

I second that motion.

[poopoo333]

Alistair Overeem granted conditional license for UFC 141, facing four drug tests (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26523/alistair-overeem-granted-conditional-license-for-ufc-141-facing-four-drug-tests.mma)

[SPX]

I won't hold my breath. . .

[Dr_Ngo]

5.5U on Fitch at -220

Fitch gonna do what he does best, Fitching.

1U on Diaz at +215

Diaz is a nice value.

[poopoo333]

Ubereem/Brock not to go 5 round distance is -475. Seems like free money

This lock of the century is up to -1050


Need to find out how Brock is doing in training camp and see if his 2 inch intestine is holding up. If everything checks out I'm taking Lesnar.

When do you think you will find out?

[Svino]

This lock of the century is up to -1050

What odds can you get on it to go the distance?

[MMA_scientist]

^^ It is -1050 / +550 now

[Luke]

When do you think you will find out?


I already forgot about doing it .I will see what I can go dig up.::handshake::

[Ludo]

I already forgot about doing it .I will see what I can go dig up.::handshake::

Inb4VandelaysaysLukeisn'tareporter

[Vandelay]

damnit, im embarrassed i didnt catch that before you did Ludo

[mike]

who do u guys planning to bet on this card ? i like Cerrone, gustafson, Nam Phan, and Pearson but they will probably be huge favorites so maybe just gonna parlay them. By the way, do you guys think the oddmaker at bmaker, 5dimes etc read our forum ? haha

[Luke]

By the way, do you guys think the oddmaker at bmaker, 5dimes etc read our forum ? haha


Ours no. Bigger forums yes.

[Ludo]

I'm sure we're pretty much under the radar as far as forums go but that works to our advantage.

[mike]

I'm sure we're pretty much under the radar as far as forums go but that works to our advantage.

yes, hope they dont know about us hehe. which big forums u talking about Luke?

[Ludo]

He's probably talking about Sherdog, Jewkey, BloodyElbow, Junkie, and maybe even places like 50/50 and Bodybuilding.

[poopoo333]

who do u guys planning to bet on this card ? i like Cerrone, gustafson, Nam Phan, and Pearson but they will probably be huge favorites so maybe just gonna parlay them. By the way, do you guys think the oddmaker at bmaker, 5dimes etc read our forum ? haha

I am curious to see Gamburyan/Nunes line..it's kind of a hard fight to cap imo but Gamburyan may be worth a play if he is a decent dog. Nunes might be overvalued from punching Ken Flo in the face a couple times.

Volkmann over Escudero for sure unless he is -300ish

Hettes may be worth a dog play, he should have the grappling edge.

Fitch should beat Hendricks

Diaz is gonna beat Cerrone

Lesnar is gonna beat Ubereem

[mike]

I dont see the case for Gamburyan to beat Nunes by dec or sub him but he has power in his hands so he can ko Nunes if he catches Nunes clean. How do you see Fitch beating Hendricks ? by out wrestling him ? hendricks is a very good wrestler himself. Fitch is not beating Hendricks with striking. I put 2u on Hendricks and loved that bet. I think its a much even fight than people think. We'll see. I think Diaz's striking wears down alot of fighters and that's how he beats them but I dont think it'll work with a guy like Cerrone. I'm hesitant to bet Cerrone at that odds though. Lesnar-Reem, i stay the fuck away from Heavyweights' fights because anything can happen with HWs.

[SPX]

Manny could grind Nunes out. Don't be surprised if it goes that way. He's strong as hell and great at judo. I do favor Nunes, but his victory is far from a foregone conclusion in my opinion.

[Ludo]

Diaz is gonna beat Cerrone

Gray Maynard. That is all.

[poopoo333]

Gray Maynard. That is all.

I don't get it.

[SPX]

I think he's saying that Cerrone is a more accomplished striker than Maynard and Maynard outstruck Diaz. . .

[poopoo333]

I think he's saying that Cerrone is a more accomplished striker than Maynard and Maynard outstruck Diaz. . .

Oh, lame.

[poopoo333]

Cerrone was getting outboxed by Horodecki

[SPX]

Paul Kelly, too.

Cerrone seems to have his good days and his bad days. But lately it's mostly been good days.

[Ludo]

Cerrone was getting outboxed by Horodecki

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3099

Striking was "virtually iiiidentical", at least significant strikes.

[Ludo]

Paul Kelly, too.

Cerrone seems to have his good days and his bad days. But lately it's mostly been good days.

I think part of that had to do with Kelly throwing that suckerpunch at the beginning when Cerrone wanted to touch gloves.

[SPX]

I think part of that had to do with Kelly throwing that suckerpunch at the beginning when Cerrone wanted to touch gloves.

I guess. If that's all it takes to throw Cerrone off his game though that is not a good sign.

[zY|]

Diaz outlanded Maynard.

[MMA_scientist]

I will definitely bet Hendricks, I think the fight is about 50/50. Fitch has only had to fight one other of the fitchers in the division (Pierce). Pierce took a round off him and dropped him. I also think Pierce has gotten significantly better since then while Fitch has already peaked. I think Fitch has better technical striking and has reach advantage, but Hendricks hits a lot harder. I doubt Fitch can pin him on the fence for 15 minutes. Fitch may win, but he is not 2:1 IMO. Tough matchup stylistically for both guys, but I have Hendricks.

I will bet Diaz @ 2:1 as well. Diaz's boxing looks like it is getting better and Maynard is not that bad of a striker (he almost became champ by KOing Edgar twice).

Don't like teh Volkmann/Escudero bet, unless one of them is a big underdog. I think Efrain may be able to outwrestle Volkmann if he chooses to grapple. Volkmann is technically better, but he is not a very gifted athlete IMO, and I could see Efrain outworking him. Also, Efrain should be hungry after having to do the small show tour.

Not touching Nunes/Manny. Nunes will be a favorite, as I think he should be. I don't think Manny can keep up standing, and I doubt he can get him down enough to win a decision.



Going to bet Brock most likely too.

[Luke]

damnit, im embarrassed i didnt catch that before you did Ludo



Inb4VandelaysaysLukeisn'tareporter


Go find your own info from now on. I'll keep mine to myself.::handshake::

[Luke]

And reported

[Vandelay]

And reported

Don't you mean reeeped? (short for reported)

[Ludo]

Don't you mean reeeped? (short for reported)

::lolzorz::

[SPX]

UFC 141's Alistair Overeem passes drug test, cleared for PPV headliner (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26612/ufc-141s-alistair-overeem-passes-drug-test-cleared-for-ppv-headliner.mma)

[Ludo]

That was close.

[Mr. IWS]

Not sure if this is legit, I got it off another forum:

UFC 141 Lesnar vs Overeem - FREE FOR XBOX LIVE USERS(HD)
1.Download UFC App.

2.) Click Purchase

3.) Notice $0.00

[SPX]

Lines up!



http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/452.png

[SPX]

All those lines suck.

Thoughts on DHK @ -365?

How about Volkmann/Escudero?

[MMA_scientist]

I like pretty much all underdogs. I like Hendricks, Brock, Diaz, mildly like Efrain. Was hoping to bet DHK, but screw that. -365, I'll pass. I just need to sort out who i am actually going to play. I actually expect Brock to win and I think Diaz is close to 50%. Hendricks/Fitch will be really close IMO, but Fitch is more willing to Fitch it out than Johny is, and that could be the difference there. When Johny gets a break, I expect he will swing for the fence, where he should just try to win the Fitching contest. Efrain, i think his wrestling is close enough to Volkmann's to where it will probably come down to striking and grit.

[MMA_scientist]

Magic parlay: "not gustaffson, fitch, hettes, cerrone by submission" All underdogs, none of them should be getting submitted. Should be a decent line since they are all at least +200 except Phan.

[Ludo]

Not sure if this is legit, I got it off another forum:

UFC 141 Lesnar vs Overeem - FREE FOR XBOX LIVE USERS(HD)
1.Download UFC App.

2.) Click Purchase

3.) Notice $0.00

It was only for the first 25,000 people who downloaded the UFC app on the new Xbox 360 dashboard and purchased the event that way. I tried it yesterday and it said it was sold out. Bastards.

[SPX]

I like pretty much all underdogs. I like Hendricks, Brock, Diaz, mildly like Efrain. Was hoping to bet DHK, but screw that. -365, I'll pass. I just need to sort out who i am actually going to play. I actually expect Brock to win and I think Diaz is close to 50%. Hendricks/Fitch will be really close IMO, but Fitch is more willing to Fitch it out than Johny is, and that could be the difference there. When Johny gets a break, I expect he will swing for the fence, where he should just try to win the Fitching contest. Efrain, i think his wrestling is close enough to Volkmann's to where it will probably come down to striking and grit.

My fear for betting on the underdogs is that it's going to be one of those cards where they're all competitive fights, but the fave edges it out every time.

[Mr. IWS]

Ill be on Reem there.

[MMA_scientist]

My fear for betting on the underdogs is that it's going to be one of those cards where they're all competitive fights, but the fave edges it out every time.

That's my issue too. I don't really like to bet more than 1 or 2 underdogs at a time, because even there is value, it would be pretty rare that 3 of 4 would win, or even 2 of 3. I generally pick the wrong ones. I feel like at least 1 of those 4 will win, and I have pretty much made my mind up to bet Brock @ +odds. So the question is whether I should press with Hendricks/Diaz/Efrain.

[SPX]

I think of the three, the likelihood of any of them winning goes Diaz, Efrain, Hendricks, in that order. In fact, I will probably bet Diaz. Efrain/Volkmann I'm just not sure about, could go either way. And I think Fitch will out-Fitch Hendricks, similar to Story.

[SPX]

Okay, just dropped enough on Diaz to win a unit.

If he loses then I will officially be 0-7 in bets involving Donald Cerrone.

[MMA_scientist]

Well Diaz has the best odds of the 3. I really don't know. Hendricks is obviously facing the best and most consistent opponent of the 3, but I also feel like he is the best fighter of the 3. Diaz is so hot and cold, but so is Cerrone to a lesser extent. Efrain was competitive with everyone he fought in the UFC... I don't really see why Volkmann is going to beat him. But then again, Volkmann beat McKee and Castillo, which are both somewhat suprising. I may be underrating Volkmann.

[MMA_scientist]

Just made the following bet: "not cerrone, Hendricks, Gustaffson, Hettes by submssion" @ -220. Not a lock, but definitely has magic value @ -220 IMO.

Pending 4 Team Parlay
Pending 12/30/11 9:30pm Props Fighting 1132 Any other result -720* vs Cerrone wins by submission
Pending 12/30/11 9:00pm Props Fighting 1228 Any other result -1570* vs Hendricks wins by submission
Pending 12/30/11 8:30pm Props Fighting 1332 Any other result -935* vs Gustafsson wins by submission
Pending 12/30/11 9:00pm Props Fighting 1428 Any other result -1350* vs Hettes wins by submission


I was going to bet "not Fitch by submission" because I thought the odds would be better, but the odds were better on "Not Hendricks by sub" for some reason.

[MMA_scientist]

Hettes is 9-0 with all subs. But Phan is a bjj bb who has never been subbed. May have to hedge out of that. It is still -294 without that bet. Matter of fact, I am going to do that.

[Luke]

It was only for the first 25,000 people who downloaded the UFC app on the new Xbox 360 dashboard and purchased the event that way. I tried it yesterday and it said it was sold out. Bastards.

Was 2 days ago because my brother and his friends got in on it .Went live around 3pm and sold out around 7. Would have posted it for you but I think xbox,just like boxing, is gay so I thought you'd be fine paying full price for UFC 141. My sources tell me you missed out on a heck of a deal. ::handshake::



http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn192/lucasf999/ufc141.jpg

[SPX]

BOL

Sorry Ludo that you have to pay full price. . .

[MMA_scientist]

Xbox is just stupid, not gay and stupid like boxing.

[Ludo]

BOL

Sorry Ludo that you have to pay full price. . .

BOL

Like I'm paying full price...

[Mr. IWS]

BOL

Like I'm paying full price...

Support the fighters!

[Vandelay]

Scientist what do you think about not reem by sub, fitch itd, cerrone by sub, and hettes by tko/ko? it comes out to about -225ish

[MMA_scientist]

I purposely left all Reem/Brock props off of my parlay. Overeem actually has more submission wins than TKO wins. I would not be entirely shocked if Overreem submitted Brock. Once Overeem tires, I think Brock can get that arm triangle on him or pound him out.

I don't like to put distance props in either, but Fitch probably is not going to be able to stop Hendricks. Hettes no TKO is probably safe, he only wins by sub and Phan has good defense and can take a lot of shots.

Still, at -225, it probably has value.

[Vandelay]

Overeem has that guillotine and probably would be more inclined to try to get up than attempt a sub off his back. If he's on top or has brock rocked, I doubt he would sink in hooks or attempt to lose position in an effort to finish the fight. Hendricks by sub isnt happening either.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I doubt AO will sub him or really spend much time attempting to... but I think he "could." If he just gets overwhelmed and can't get Brock off him, he might go for it. I don't think he will get it, Brock's neck is just too big IMO.

Yeah, Hendricks is not submitting Fitch, that's why I have it in the parlay. I feel pretty damn strongly that it will not happen. I respect the hell out of Camarillo, and Fitch has been caught in some deep stuff and he always gets out. I even added into the 2011 parlay year end blowout.

[Ludo]

Support the fighters!

Aren't you usually in bed before the main card anyway?

[Mr. IWS]

Aren't you usually in bed before the main card anyway?

LOL

[poopoo333]

12/30/2011 9:30 PM UFC Fighting 1302 Alexander Gustafsson* -340 vs Vladimir Matyushenko
12/30/2011 10:00 PM Props Fighting 1054 Fight won't start round 4* -509 vs Overeem/Lesnar starts round 4
12/30/2011 9:30 PM Props Fighting 1132 Any other result* -720 vs Cerrone wins by submission
12/30/2011 9:00 PM Props Fighting 1228 Any other result* -1570 vs Hendricks wins by submission

That pays out like -114ish

[poopoo333]

As of now I have 3u on Brock @ +115 and 3u on Diaz @+280.

I am considering Gamburyan, I hope he gets closer to +300 but doubtful.

Was hoping Castillo would come out close to even, but I am going to stay away. Njokuani's striking has looked real good/improved since his WEC days, but we haven't seen him have to be a defensive grappler since Shane Roller. IIRC Barboza was able to take Njokuani down when he decided to. Thoughts???? I will probably stay away.

Ross Pearson is gonna win easy imo, Junior Assuncao is just gonna get F'd in the A.

Gustafsson should have his way with Vladdy as well, how does Vladdy win? Gustafsson is way more athletic and won't be controlled for 2/3 rounds on the ground by Vladdy...Vladdy probably won't even be able to get him down once. This is just another example of "new school vs gatekeeper".

I don't know how Pierson's T3D is, but DHK will probably do what he does best and win a decision on top...not gonna bet it though.

Matt Riddle/Luis Ramos..I don't know about this, I've only seen Ramos be KO'd in less than a minute.

I like Volkmann to win, but Escudero has a shot. He might be worth a small bet @ the current line, I don't really think Volkmann close to -300 is worth it. But then again he was able to beat McKee which I didn't expect. He also dominated Castillo on the mat. Escudero will probably look to stand and he should be bigger than Volkmann.

Phan/Hettes...I dunno. I like it to go the distance, it's only like -125 or so.

I think Fitch beats Hendricks with getting the best of the grappling. I think Hendricks best shot is if he is the one who presses forward instead of standing/waiting around/trying to only strike and gets Fitch down. BJ and Diego both were able to give Fitch problems like that. Or if Hendricks lands some heavy shots when they are clinched up/close. But I think Fitch wins, he is next WW champ.

[poopoo333]

12/30/2011 9:30 PM UFC Fighting 1302 Alexander Gustafsson* -340 vs Vladimir Matyushenko
12/30/2011 10:00 PM Props Fighting 1054 Fight won't start round 4* -509 vs Overeem/Lesnar starts round 4
12/30/2011 9:30 PM Props Fighting 1132 Any other result* -720 vs Cerrone wins by submission
12/30/2011 9:00 PM Props Fighting 1228 Any other result* -1570 vs Hendricks wins by submission

That pays out like -114ish

This is +177:



12/30/2011 9:30 PM UFC Fighting 1302 Alexander Gustafsson* -330 vs Vladimir Matyushenko
12/30/2011 8:30 PM UFC Fighting 1501 Ross Pearson* -300 vs Junior Assuncao
12/30/2011 10:00 PM Props Fighting 1054 Fight won't start round 4* -509 vs Overeem/Lesnar starts round 4
12/30/2011 9:30 PM Props Fighting 1132 Any other result* -395 vs Cerrone wins by submission
12/30/2011 9:00 PM Props Fighting 1228 Any other result* -1570 vs Hendricks wins by submission

[edman5555]

I am thinking of taking nam phan. I am also considering castillo

[mike]

I am thinking of taking nam phan. I am also considering castillo

Ã*m waiting for Phan to get better odds on bmaker but his odds havent been moving much. I had 2u on Hendricks and 2u on Cerrone. Probably gonna put 4u on Phan.

[edman5555]

Phan might get worse

[edman5555]

I think his sub defense should be pretty decent. His wrestling is also pretty adequate. Ill have to watch some more jetties videos to see how his striking is. Phan seems like a pretty good striker so I think that is where the difference will be. Phan also has more experience in the cage. He should know how to keep it a standup battle. That said, I don't know a lot about hettes, he might be better then I think. I read play by plays and caceres to a round off him.

[Luke]

All in Cerrone

[Vandelay]

Ive got about 7 units on phan to win 3.

[edman5555]

feeling good about cerrone luke? I think he is rightly favored. Nate is pretty tough though.

[SPX]

Well good, now that Christmas is over we can get back to more important shit, like UFC 141.

[Ludo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjM9DyMeN8M&feature=player_embedded

[Luke]

feeling good about cerrone luke? I think he is rightly favored. Nate is pretty tough though.

Will be on Cerrone for sure. Not big though just a normal sized bet.

[edman5555]

I think Cerrone will win. His wrestling/BJJ should be good enough to keep it standing if he wants. In that arena, he should be a little bit better. Diaz isn't to be underestimated though. He is tough as nails. I am hesitant to take Cerrone at that line.

[edman5555]

I might actually take Matyushenko. Hamil looked like absolute shit against Gustaffson and I don't think it was just Gustaffsons fighting ability. Te Huna took Gustaffson down. The Janitor is pretty good too.

[SPX]

Diaz was dominated by that can MacDonald.

[poopoo333]

So who is everybody picking? Lesnar or Overeem??? I bet Lesnar, but I am thinking about arbing out. I don't know...I really want to see Ubereem win from the fan perspective, but I just see Lesnar getting him down and Ubereem gassing. I can also see Ubereem just landing one shot early that KTFOs Brock.

[SPX]

I'm officially not picking anyone. I just have no idea how it's gonna go.

[poopoo333]

I guess my official pick is Brock.