TUF 14 Finale

[poopoo333]

Yves Edwards vs. Tony Ferguson added to December's The Ultimate Fighter 14 Finale (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25758/yves-edwards-vs-tony-ferguson-added-to-decembers-the-ultimate-fighter-14-finale.mma)
and Bisping vs Mayhem obviously

[poopoo333]

Thoughts on Bisping/Mayhem?

[SPX]

I really think Mayhem might be able to put him on his back enough to win a decision, but I'm not super-confident or anything.

[MMA_scientist]

Thoughts on Bisping/Mayhem?

I think Mayhem will have to beat him standing personally. Mayhem doesn't have super strong takedowns and Bisping is pretty hard to take down. I do think Mayhem's striking is better than most people think and that he could win a decision. I think the line might be off a little, but Mayhem hasn't fought a striker in like 5 years. So who knows...

[Vandelay]

This should be a 5 rounder correct? Either way neither guy is known for their power, so i like it to go to a decision.

[poopoo333]

I read it was a 5 rounder. I like Bisping to win a decision

[MMA_scientist]

Yep, neither guy has a lot of power, and neither guy really gasses. I think it is somewhat closer than the line indicates though. Is Bisping really a good striker? I know he was all valley karate champ or whatever, but he gets rocked all the time and I don't really remember him really ever putting a standup clinic on anyone. Mayhem can probably hang with him standing, though may come up a little short in every round.

[SPX]

. . . and I don't really remember him really ever putting a standup clinic on anyone.

Leben

[poopoo333]

Leben

Dan Miller

Jorge Rivera

Akiyama

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I guess. I just recall him getting hurt by Rivera standing, Wand almost put him away in rd 3, Kang dropped him, Hammill hurt him a couple times, of course Hendo leveled him... for a guy that tries to outpoint people on the outside, he gets hit hard in the head a lot.

[MMA_scientist]

Dan Miller

Jorge Rivera

Akiyama

Rivera dropped Bisping twice, he won the fight... but in now way did he dominate or put a clinic on.
I guess you could call Miller a "clinic", but then Maia also put a boxing clinic on Dan Miller.
Akiyama is a can.

[poopoo333]

Rivera dropped Bisping twice.

wut

[MMA_scientist]

wut

I thought he dropped him twice, I have only seen teh fight once... apparently he only dropped him once, and wobbled him once. Either way, it was back and forth and Bisping was eating shots.



Round 1
Marc Goddard is the referee for the middleweight co-main event, and he gets to work early, stepping between Bisping and Rivera as Bisping wanders into the Octagon and toward the American corner. There is no touch of gloves in the final instructions, nor as the fight begins. Both men rush to the center of the cage and meet, with Rivera firing first. His big right hand glances and Bisping returns fire with a one-two. Another right from Rivera and Bisping goes low, plowing Rivera down to the ground with a double-leg. Bisping grabs the cage as he attempts to mount and is warned. No matter, as they’re soon back on the feet with Rivera throwing up his arms. Rivera’s right hand finds its mark again, stumbling the Brit and prompting him to shoot again. Rivera stuffs this one, but falls to another attempt seconds later. Bisping scoots Rivera around in guard and lands short elbows. Bisping stands and drills his left knee into the forehead of Rivera, who is clearly grounded on both knees. Marc Goddard halts the action instantly and the doctors rush to check on Rivera, who was not knocked out cold, but does appear dazed. They ask Rivera to stand and he does. Goddard asks Rivera if he can continue, and Rivera asserts that he can. Goddard docks Bisping a point for the infraction and the action resumes with two minutes left in the opening round. Rivera clocks Bisping with a right hook. Bisping shoots and is stuffed. He throws hands for a minute, landing a few rights, and then finds success on another takedown attempt. He stands and throws downward at Rivera, who eats a few punches while scrambling back to his feet.

Jordan Breen scores the round 9-9
Tomasz Marciniak scores the round 10-9 Rivera
Jeff Sherwood scores the round 9-9

Round 2
A cracking right hand from Rivera sends Bisping backward to the canvas, but the Brit quickly regains his legs. He snaps a stiff left jab off in Rivera’s face. Now it’s a series of huge, wind-up right hooks by Bisping. Rivera is covering up on his feet and Bisping begins mixing it up, alternating punches and short elbows to the head and body. One big right hook drops Rivera to a knee, and a few more punches seal the deal, as Goddard calls it off at 1:54 of the second round. Bisping immediately rushes to and appears to spit at Rivera’s corner, and then comes back toward Rivera, who is still on the ground. Goddard gets between them. Bisping has some words for Rivera -- “Go home, loser,” among them -- but the two do hesitantly embrace after cooling down.

[edman5555]

One thing about Mayhem is his grappling ability is pretty good. He almost choked out Jake shields..but he also got tko'd by frank trigg.

[MMA_scientist]

One thing about Mayhem is his grappling ability is pretty good. He almost choked out Jake shields..but he also got tko'd by frank trigg.

No doubt. Miller has very good grappling, especially his defense. He grappled with Jacare nearly the entire time and survived (he got dominated, but he didn't get tapped out). Even though he has a wiry guard, he doesn't really submit guys from there... he is really more of a top player. If he can get Bisping down, I think he could submit him for sure. I doubt he can get him from guard though.

[edman5555]

how is his chin? I would think it is pretty decent, he has only been tko'd once. Like you said though he hasn't been fighitng a lot of heavy hitters.

[MMA_scientist]

Well, his chin seems solid but I have never seen him get hit hard. He was kind of whupping on Jacare in the rematch before the cut (NC). This was before K1 Jacare though, and I really think it is the fight that made Jacare go to work on his hands.

[edman5555]

its tough to call. Mayhem might be a good bet if he gets up in the +200 area.

[Svino]

I have to second the "Bisping keeps it standing and outpoints Miller solidly on the feet" line of thought.

[Vandelay]

Dan miller gets outstruck by everyone. K1 maia. K1 Palhares. K1 John Salter. etc. Rivera isnt a good striker either. Just has power. And that fight was competitive until the cheap shot. Bisping does well against poor strikers and brawlers. He should have beaten silva if not for the guillotine and bisping getting dropped at the end of rd 3.

[SPX]

BOL @ K1 John Salter

[poopoo333]

Has anybody been watching this season? I am gonna watch the whole season before Wednesday to get caught up

[Vandelay]

Kinda, Dillashaw will be a fav over whoever he faces, probably dodson. And the 145's just arent good.

[AC88]

Keep in mind Mayhem got TKO'd by a Frank Trigg using soccer kicks.

[hemanthjava]

The Ultimate Fighter 14 Finale is an upcoming mixed martial arts event to be held by the Ultimate Fighting Championship on December 3, 2011 at the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas, Nevada, United States.


http://www.sportsbun.com/mma-fights/ufc/the-ultimate-fighter-tuf-14-finale-live-stream/

[trotterz]

can't wait for odds on the ferguson/edwards fight

I am expecting Ferguson to be around -200

[poopoo333]

The Ultimate Fighter 14 Finale is an upcoming mixed martial arts event to be held by the Ultimate Fighting Championship on December 3, 2011 at the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas, Nevada, United States.


http://www.sportsbun.com/mma-fights/ufc/the-ultimate-fighter-tuf-14-finale-live-stream/

thanks bro

[AC88]

can't wait for odds on the ferguson/edwards fight

I am expecting Ferguson to be around -200

You sure? I would throw a bunch on Ferguson at this point because I am on that guy's hype train big time.

[zY|]

I watched the first episode.

[Ludo]

I watched the first episode.

This has been a pretty good season fight wise. Some really good knockouts and submissions and of course some wrestlefuck decisions too but overall I like what I'm seeing.

[zY|]

Yeah, I need to catch up. I assume it's all on ultimatefighter.com

[trotterz]

You sure? I would throw a bunch on Ferguson at this point because I am on that guy's hype train big time.

Well, I guess that the lines with start around that point, but money will come on Ferguson's side fast

[SPX]

I hate it that fighters don't have to earn their lines anymore.

The dude has had one (1) UFC fight (or I guess two if you want to count the TUF finale), against a journeyman known for getting his ass kicked by good fighters. On the other hand, Edwards is a veteran who has actually been doing pretty well.

[trotterz]

I hate it that fighters don't have to earn their lines anymore.

The dude has had one (1) UFC fight (or I guess two if you want to count the TUF finale), against a journeyman known for getting his ass kicked by good fighters. On the other hand, Edwards is a veteran who has actually been doing pretty well.

lines are alot about hype. Best example of that was the vila dantas line last week.

[sbjj]

I hate it that fighters don't have to earn their lines anymore.

The dude has had one (1) UFC fight (or I guess two if you want to count the TUF finale), against a journeyman known for getting his ass kicked by good fighters. On the other hand, Edwards is a veteran who has actually been doing pretty well.

One could argue that being Sam Stouts only KO victim is not doing pretty well.

[poopoo333]

"earn their lines"? That would be a horrible strategy for the books. "Hey Joey Oddessa, why don't you put Ronda Rousey @ +125 against Julie Kedzie? Rousey only has 3 fights!"

[MMA_scientist]

The learning curve is not as steep as it once was. It used to be that it took a little adaptation and even great athletes lost fights right out of the gate (see Marcelo Garcia, Kevin Jackson) while learning MMA. Guys are expected to be good right away these days... look at Roger, who only had 4 fights, people expect him to be good no matter what. The best wrestler in MMA right now is probably Vila, he is 41 and people still expected him to be great. Information is so much more available now, people aren't as stupid and they don't take fights they have no chance in like they used to- because the stakes are higher.

[SPX]

One could argue that being Sam Stouts only KO victim is not doing pretty well.

Sam Stout is good and was expected to win that fight anyway. Also, you're not being fair. Edwards is 3-1 since coming back to the UFC with 2 finishes, including a brutal TKO over Oliveira. That's pretty fucking good for a 35 year old fighter with almost 60 fights.

[SPX]

"earn their lines"? That would be a horrible strategy for the books. "Hey Joey Oddessa, why don't you put Ronda Rousey @ +125 against Julie Kedzie? Rousey only has 3 fights!"

Like Trotterz said, it goes the other way, too.

Vila/Dantas was a good example.
Oliveira/Cowboy is another.
Ryan Couture in his last two fights is another.
Bobby Lashley in pretty much any fight is yet another.

Yeah, fighters need to earn their right to be a big favorite. Ferguson has looked good, but Nijem and Riley are not high-level comp. He may go out and dominate Edwards. But on the other hand, he may get fucking smashed.

[sbjj]

I think I am being fair. His 3 wins just are not that great. And Oliveira actual had him hurt(and he is another guy not known for power). My thing is, if Yves is getting rattled by historically light hitters, how is he going to respond when Tonu hits him.

You think Yves should be favored? Or is this a case of you wishing he was favored. And if you think Yves will win and Tony will be favored...should you not be happy?

[SPX]

I think Tony will win, but I think it's far from a foregone conclusion, so I think he should only be favored slightly. Maybe -150 or something.

[sbjj]

You see Yves outstriking him?

[SPX]

I'm not sure that DO see it, but have we not been watching this stuff long enough now to know that unexpected performances happen on a fairly regular basis?

[poopoo333]

If Ferguson is only -150 I am gonna bet the shit out of that

[mike]

I think Edwards' chin is cracked. He will be koed again

[sbjj]

I'm not sure that DO see it, but have we not been watching this stuff long enough now to know that unexpected performances happen on a fairly regular basis?

Of course. But that kind of thinking could stop you from betting any fight.

[MMA_scientist]

Edwards got his back taken by Cody McKenzie. Just sayin.

[AC88]

Yeah, it's pretty much a mixture of how unimpressed I am with Yves lately and how impressive Ferguson looks.

[SPX]

Of course. But that kind of thinking could stop you from betting any fight.

Well I would say that lately I HAVE been a lot more reticent to bet fights at lines that I feel are too high and have been been taking more of a "better to be safe than sorry" approach. Huerta losing to War Machine just reinforces this.

[MMA_scientist]

I never bet a UFC coming to a smaller show as a favorite. They seem to lose a lot, I don't know if it is lost motivation or that they UFC is great at booting guys on the downslope.

[SPX]

Yeah, it's pretty much a mixture of how unimpressed I am with Yves lately and how impressive Ferguson looks.

Well I honestly thought Edwards would lose 2 or 3 in a row and be gone.

[Thewisemann]

If Ferguson in -200 or better I'm for sure gonna pound it.

[sbjj]

Well I would say that lately I HAVE been a lot more reticent to bet fights at lines that I feel are too high and have been been taking more of a "better to be safe than sorry" approach. Huerta losing to War Machine just reinforces this.

I think that is a very smart approach.

[sbjj]

Trying to decide if it is just my Bisping hate that is making me believe that Miller can beat him. Bispings price is dropping. So where is everyone at on this?

[SPX]

I think that if Miller can get him down--and Bisping is no super-grappler so I certainly don't think it's out of the question--then he has a decent chance of winning.

[MMA_scientist]

Trying to decide if it is just my Bisping hate that is making me believe that Miller can beat him. Bispings price is dropping. So where is everyone at on this?

I am on the same page. I think Miller can win, but not sure if it is because I hate Bisping. I do think Miller has to be competitive standing to stay in it. I think Bisping gets hit a lot but Miller is not a powerful striker... he would basically have to outpoint him on the feet. On the mat, Mayhem has a clear edge IMO. But Bisping is hard to take down and Mayhem is not really a great TD guy. Somehow Miller would have to end up on top of Bisping to finish him IMO. It is not like Mayhem is some super awesome grappler out there either... he is solid, but not like Palhares or Maia or Jacare getting you down, not going to be insta-submission IMO>

All signs point to Bisping. No bet for me.

[MMA_scientist]

Damn, I have almost talked myself into Bisping now.

[Vandelay]

I'll just bet the distance prop. It's tough to gauge bisping because of the utter lack of quality opponents faced. He's faced grapplers who refuse to grapple (Miller, Akiyama), Brawlers (rivera, Leben, Wand), and two well rounded opponents (Kang, Henderson). Kang is mentally weak with a poor fight iq and limited gas tank. We know Bisping is decently well rounded, has little power, good chin, good recovery, strong will to win. Miller is more of a wild card. Great grappler, limited wrestling, below avg power, low strength and striking ability.

[poopoo333]

Mayhem also hasn't fought in over a year.

[sbjj]

Damn, I have almost talked myself into Bisping now.

No doubt. That is what I was doing also.

[SPX]

Someone find a gif of Miller sinking in that RNC on Shields.

[Luke]

Send out the bat signal for Zy to make one

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/469.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

I would like to find somebody to parlay Ferguson with on this card. After I complete this entire season of TUF tomorrow I should know who.

[Ludo]

Diego Brandao has been smashing everyone he's fought. That kid has scary power for 145. I don't know why John Dodsen is such a dog against Dilleshaw, he's like the next Mighty Mouse. Good wrestling, tons of speed, constantly moving, and he has one punch knockout power too as evidenced by tonight.

[AC88]

Going back to the history of TUF, UNDERDOGS win a lot of fights which determine the TUF winners. Keep that in mind. Dodson and Bermudez should both be played for small wagers. But honestly, this season is seriously making the favorites in the finale look like beasts. Then again, that's what I thought in all the other finales and so many underdogs became the winners of TUF in the end.

[AC88]

and when that Ferguson line comes out for me, I will be unloading.

[trotterz]

and when that Ferguson line comes out for me, I will be unloading.

WOw, I will probably be on Delorme when the line comes out.

Why do you favor ferguson?

edit: I will be on Tony Ferguson over Edwards, but Roland Delorme over the other Ferguson

[MMA_scientist]

I think Dillashaw will beat Dodson, by just being better everywhere. Bermudez was talking a lot of damage in his fight with Akira... he almost go KO'd. Diego will probably kill him. But they kept saying that Diego gasses out... he might be a big front runner type, no way I am betting him at that line. Bermudez is probably in trouble standing and on the ground though... I really don't see how he wins unless he Diego just collapses from exhaution.

on the undercard, I will just look for underdogs.


Does anyone NOT like Ferguson to beat Edwards?

[sbjj]

I would like to find somebody to parlay Ferguson with on this card. After I complete this entire season of TUF tomorrow I should know who.

Parlay him with Vic Darchinyan(Boxer).

[edman5555]

Edwards is way more experienced than Edwards, he might take it..

[sbjj]

Edwards is way more experienced than Edwards, he might take it..

Exactly.

[Mr. IWS]

Edwards is way more experienced than Edwards, he might take it..

::handshake::

[edman5555]

whoops. I meant Furgeson is way more experienced than Ferguson. Save.

[Ludo]

BOL

[MMA_scientist]

Edman, I don't even know if you did that on purpose... so, nice work.

[Vandelay]

whoops. I meant Furgeson is way more experienced than Ferguson. Save.

even better than the first.

[AC88]

I think we all have a Ferguson > Edwards train going here.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Edman might be like rainman or something. One of those guys that can't really put together coherent sentences and talks to himself all the time, but he is a savant at MMA capping.

[Ludo]

I think we all have a Ferguson > Edwards train going here.

And a Ferguson > Ferguson one as well.

[Mr. IWS]

...............................

[MMA_scientist]

final lineup:

Spike TV Main Card:
-Michael Bisping vs. Jason Miller
-Diego Brandao vs. Dennis Bermudez (featherweight finals)
-T.J. Dillashaw vs. John Dodson (bantamweight finals)
-Anthony Ferguson vs. Yves Edwards
-Johnny Bedford vs. Louis Gaudinot
Facebook Prelims:
-Stephen Bass vs. Marcus Brimage
-John Albert vs. Dustin Pague
-Josh Ferguson vs. Roland Delorme
-Josh Clopton vs. Steven Siler
-Dustin Neace vs. Bryan Caraway

[MMA_scientist]

Pretty surprised Akira not on the card, he must be injured. That guy is a massive douche though, so I sort of hope he just goes away.

[AC88]

WOw, I will probably be on Delorme when the line comes out.

Why do you favor ferguson?

edit: I will be on Tony Ferguson over Edwards, but Roland Delorme over the other Ferguson

Tony Ferguson > Yves Edwards man.

[poopoo333]

Bisping/Miller to go 5 rd distance is +125

[poopoo333]

Miller hasn't beaten anybody that has mattered since 2007..Tim Kennedy. Did people even know who Tim Kennedy was in 2007 actually?

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/469.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[MMA_scientist]

Going to plop down .25 on all underdogs on the undercard.

[SPX]

Card sucks for betting.

[Ludo]

Card sucks for betting.

Well it's no worse than any other TUF finale as far as betting goes.

[SPX]

Seems like there's usually more regular fighter fights. Or at least I know who more of the guys are in the card. I literally know who like 3 guys are on this entire thing.

[Ludo]

Well if you didn't watch the season you wouldn't know who they are. Generally Finales are filled with matchups between the guys from the show and sometimes have a filler fight or two, but since the Coaches fight is being held on the same night and it's 25 minutes that sort of ate up some of the trim.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRUGirFyJiM

Bisping mad

[SPX]

BOL. That shit was awesome.

BTW, is it just me or did neither guy really look like themselves? I didn't even recognize Mayhem at first.

[SPX]

Well if you didn't watch the season you wouldn't know who they are. Generally Finales are filled with matchups between the guys from the show and sometimes have a filler fight or two, but since the Coaches fight is being held on the same night and it's 25 minutes that sort of ate up some of the trim.

Look at other TUF Finales and there are usually a lot more "regular fights."

At TUF 13 there was Pettis/Guida, Herman/Credeur, Kingsbury/Maldonado, Stephens/Downs, Grispi/Roop, and Jorgensen/Stone. This time there's Ferguson/Edwards and Miller/Bisping. If any of the other fights are not TUF fights then you could've fooled me.

[poopoo333]

It's because they are giving way more guys opportunities because they need more FW and BW talent in the UFC.

[SPX]

Well shit's gay, because I don't know who these guys are.

[poopoo333]

Well shit's gay, because I don't know who these guys are.

Watch TUF.

[SPX]

The problem with "watching TUF" is that it would actually require me to watch TUF.

[Ludo]

BOL. That shit was awesome.

BTW, is it just me or did neither guy really look like themselves? I didn't even recognize Mayhem at first.

I'm sure it's because he's not 210lbs anymore. He hasn't fought in over a year so he probably had to take some measures to get the weight off.

[Ludo]

The problem with "watching TUF" is that it would actually require me to watch TUF.

Like you have anything better to do on wednesday nights.

[SPX]

I don't have cable, remember.

[zY|]

The problem with "watching TUF" is that it would actually require me to watch TUF.

Yup. As far as I'm concerned, there is one fight on this card.

[Ludo]

I don't have cable, remember.

You can always hop over to the bay of pirates and watch it.

[poopoo333]

Or go to www.ultimatefighter.com

[SPX]

You can always hop over to the bay of pirates and watch it.

I used to do that every week. Every time a new season starts up I promise myself I'm going to watch it but then I never do.



Or go to www.ultimatefighter.com (http://www.ultimatefighter.com)

Do they have the current season on there?

[poopoo333]

Ya

[AC88]

Ferguson is at -500 now on Sportsbook.... dang

[Svino]

I went and rewatched all the fights from TUF 14 and still didn't come up with any great inspirations for betting. I think Vegas picked the favorites right, at least as far as the evidence from the show goes. I only placed a couple of bets on lines that seem a little too extreme given how little most people have seen them.

[AC88]

Highly improved Yves Edwards gave me a freaking SCARE tonight whoot.

[poopoo333]

Mayhem gonna get cut?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpVI2r5mzXs&feature=player_embedded

[SPX]

I'm sure he'll get at least one more fight.

[SPX]

Highly improved Yves Edwards gave me a freaking SCARE tonight whoot.

Was he really highly improved? Or was he just the same guy?

[AC88]

Was he really highly improved? Or was he just the same guy?

What do you believe? I thought after the Stout fight, Yves was going to face the same fate in this one, but is it just because Stout is that much better than Ferguson? Or is it because Yves improved himself?

[poopoo333]

What do you believe? I thought after the Stout fight, Yves was going to face the same fate in this one, but is it just because Stout is that much better than Ferguson? Or is it because Yves improved himself?

I believe Stout just caught Yves with a perfect punch early..it's not like Stout was dominating and was the clear cut better striker in that fight.

[SPX]

I believe Stout just caught Yves with a perfect punch early..it's not like Stout was dominating and was the clear cut better striker in that fight.

This.

Shit happens. Stout touched him right on the button and Yves went to sleep. We've seen it plenty of times in the past.

[AC88]

Was anyone else nervous watching Ferguson get headkicked and outstruck for many exchanges in that fight???

[SPX]

Well I was actually hoping Yves was going to win, so no, but if I had money on Tony then I'm sure I would've had some concerns.

[poopoo333]

I don't think it makes the most sense, but lots of rumors going around Stann is next for Bisping

[SPX]

That should be a pretty good fight if it happens.

Not sure if it "makes sense," like you say, but I think it will be entertaining.

[Ludo]

That should be a pretty good fight if it happens.

Not sure if it "makes sense," like you say, but I think it will be entertaining.

It doesn't necessarily make sense but it's time Bisping got exposed again so we can put all this foolish "he's almost a title contender" talk. Stann by life changing right hook.

[Luke]

stream?

[SPX]

Ta Da. . .


http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3943.png

[Luke]

wrong thread………negged

[SPX]

Whoops.

[poopoo333]

The Ultimate Fighter 14 Finale salaries: Bisping ($425,000) earns top payday (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26394/the-ultimate-fighter-14-finale-salaries-bipsing-425000-earns-top-payday.mma)

[poopoo333]

http://middleeasy.com/images/stories/Author_Zeus/2011/12/7000bet.jpg
:burn:

[SPX]

Damn, that sucks.

[Vandelay]

425 wow. bisping shouldnt get paid like a top 10 fighter when he isnt in the top 10 of his weight class.

[Ludo]

425 wow. bisping shouldnt get paid like a top 10 fighter when he isnt in the top 10 of his weight class.

Thats kind of debatable. Plenty of credible sites have him in the top 10. Sherdog has him #8, Fightmatrix(as much as I don't like to use they're rankings usually) has him at 8 as well, MMAWeekly has him #5 which must be a joke, ESPN has him 9th, etc etc etc. The point is he's at the lower end of the top 10 but still top 10. Don't forget Middleweight is a weak division overall.

[edman5555]

bisping has no chance against anderson

[Ludo]

bisping has no chance against anderson

That kind of truth didn't stop them from feeding Dan Hardy to GSP.

[Vandelay]

lets see. Sherdog has lombard and vitor below him, two guys who would defeat bisping easily. i believe tim kennedy beats him, jacare probably would, jorge santiago would be close but bisping should beat him, palhares would be a close match, and weidman would wipe the floor with him. So hes borderline top 15. You could also put diaz, shields, and hendo above him as well. same with AJ.

[Ludo]

lets see. Sherdog has lombard and vitor below him, two guys who would defeat bisping easily. i believe tim kennedy beats him, jacare probably would, jorge santiago would be close but bisping should beat him, palhares would be a close match, and weidman would wipe the floor with him. So hes borderline top 15. You could also put diaz, shields, and hendo above him as well. same with AJ.

Except rankings are based upon what you've done in the division, not who you might beat using highly opinionated and fallible arguments.

Also Diaz isn't even in the division, nor is Hendo, or Shields anymore.

[Vandelay]

alright well everyone but aj and weidman still qualify.

[Svino]

lets see. Sherdog has lombard and vitor below him, two guys who would defeat bisping easily. i believe tim kennedy beats him, jacare probably would, jorge santiago would be close but bisping should beat him, palhares would be a close match, and weidman would wipe the floor with him. So hes borderline top 15. You could also put diaz, shields, and hendo above him as well. same with AJ.

Yeah, Bisping is in the top 10 based on certain past wins, but he'd get clobbered by more than 10 MW's.

[SPX]

Sherdog has lombard below him, two guys who would defeat bisping easily. and weidman would wipe the floor with him.

I'm not at all sure about either of these.

[Ludo]

alright well everyone but aj and weidman still qualify.

And Vitor. He's fought twice and won once at Middleweight in the last 35 months.

[MMA_scientist]

He's top 10, but there is no way to justify that pay by his skillset. I read he got paid more than Cain and JDS combined, and also more than Shogun and Hendo combined.