UFC on FX

[poopoo333]

FX airs first UFC event in January with Neer vs. Ludwig, Barry vs. Morecraft (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26120/fx-airs-first-ufc-event-on-jan-20-with-neer-vs-ludwig-barry-vs-morecraft.mma)

[Vandelay]

Those are prelims i hope

[Luke]

Beginnings of a great card I see

[poopoo333]

First UFC on FX event targeted for Jan. 20 in Nashville (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26139/first-ufc-on-fx-event-targeted-for-jan-20-in-nashville.mma)
Report: Robert Peralta To Face Charles Oliveira at UFN 26 on FX in Nashville (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/17/2568487/report-robert-peralta-to-face-charles-oliveira-at-ufc-on-fx-1-in)

[SPX]

Oliveira/Peralta should be a good scrap. I got no idea who wins that one.

[poopoo333]

UFC on FX Main Event Set: Jim Miller vs. Melvin Guillard (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/17/2570044/ufc-on-fx-main-event-set-jim-miller-vs-melvin-guillard)

[SPX]

That's an interesting fight. Hard to call.

[edman5555]

Yeah that is cool.

[Vandelay]

hmmm. that is a tough one. Ill probably be on miller tho. he will also probably be a slight dog

[poopoo333]

Kamal Shalorus meets Khabib Nurmagomedov at UFC on FX 1 in Nashville (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26249/kamal-shalorus-meets-newcomer-khabib-nurmagomedov-at-ufc-on-fx-1-in-nashville.mma)

[poopoo333]

Mike Brown vs. Vagner Rocha, Ryan Jimmo vs. Karlos Vemola added to UFC on FX 1

Jimmo in the UFC? nice

[poopoo333]

Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer targeted for UFC on FX 1 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26303/jorge-rivera-vs-eric-schafer-targeted-for-ufc-on-fx-1.mma)

[MMA_scientist]

IS MTB going up or is Rocha coming down?

[sbjj]

Rocha is coming down.

[SPX]

Jimmo in the UFC? nice

WOW. I've been waiting for that for a while, but I have to say that I really don't think he's going to do very well. He might win a couple, but being a champ he's probably going to move up pretty quickly, and then he'll get smashed. I mean, he just got beat by Sokoudjou, judges be damned.

[poopoo333]

Line guesses on Miller/Guillard? I am hoping it opens close to even, I like Miller in this fight a lot.

[edman5555]

yeah miller should be able to win. Guillard can always catch him and ko him though..

[SPX]

I really think this fight is a question mark at this point. Miller's really solid, but I've never thought of him as someone who could ever pose a serious threat to anyone who might ever hold the title.

As long as Melvin's T3D is on point I actually think he has the edge, because his boxing should be better than Miller's.

[MMA_scientist]

Guillard is going in my box of fighters I never bet on or against... too unpredictable because he is a head case.

[AC88]

I was warned about never betting on Guillard by a friend. He started off at -300 and then went to -400 against Lauzon. Honestly, If he came out better than -300 I would have layed so much on him. I don't want to bet on Guillard anymore except a small fun bet on 'KO in the 1st' by him for every fight he's in.

[zY|]

I was warned about never betting on Guillard by a friend. He started off at -300 and then went to -400 against Lauzon. Honestly, If he came out better than -300 I would have layed so much on him. I don't want to bet on Guillard anymore except a small fun bet on 'KO in the 1st' by him for every fight he's in.

Probably wouldn't hurt to hedge that by betting on him being subbed in the 1st.

[Ludo]

Guillard is going in my box of fighters I never bet on or against... too unpredictable because he is a head case.

Seconded. That motherfucker lets it get to him every time it seems like. His head gets too big and then he goes in there jumping all over the place with his hands down.

[MMA_scientist]

I was warned about never betting on Guillard by a friend. He started off at -300 and then went to -400 against Lauzon. Honestly, If he came out better than -300 I would have layed so much on him. I don't want to bet on Guillard anymore except a small fun bet on 'KO in the 1st' by him for every fight he's in.

I have never been sold on him and I bet against him to lose a lot... I let myself be talked into a bet on him when he fought Lauzon. I think I bet like 5 or 6u on him. I did hedge it with lauzon by sub, but it ruined a parlay for me. Never again. I think he could beat any LW on the planet and could lose to any Rich Clementi on the same night.

[Vandelay]

ill be on miller as the dog. rock chin, decent wrestling, great jj, great cardio.

[MMA_scientist]

lines guesses? I don't think Miller will be much of a dog if at all. I expect it to be pretty even line.

[poopoo333]

Miller -140 hopefully. Miller's weakness seems to be against offensive grapplers and guys that really put the pressure on him (Bendo and Bocek).

[mike]

Guillard can also just dance on the outside and potshot and win like he did vs Jeremy Stephensons lol. He probably has the wrestling and footwork to keep it standing. Im gonna stay away from Guillard's fights too.

[SPX]

The line should certainly be interesting considering they both lost in grand fashion last time out.

[Ludo]

I don't know that I would compare Guillards last fight to Millers. Bendo does that to EVERYONE not named Pettis while Lauzon only does what he did to english fighters and c level fighters which are kind of the same thing really.

[sbjj]

I think the fact that Bocek hung with Bendo as well as he did speaks volumes about Bocek. i think Bocek is a very underrated fighter at the moment.

[SPX]

I think the fact that Bocek hung with Bendo as well as he did speaks volumes about Bocek. i think Bocek is a very underrated fighter at the moment.

You should just fellate that motherfucker. It's obvious you're in love.

[Ludo]

I don't know what fight you watched but I remember Bocek getting his shit pushed in aside from some semi close submissions which can't count for much when the guy he's trying to submit happens to be un-sub-able. I had a pretty decent sized bet on Bocek and remember thinking it was all downhill from the first round.

[SPX]

It's been a while, but seems I remember there being one close round. But yeah, Bocek got F'd in the A.

[Ludo]

http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=2672

Looks like only one site had it judged in favor of Bocek, probably based on submission attempts that failed hard and left Mark in terrible positions. Everyone else had it either 30-27 or 30-28. Given that I guess you could say Bocek did better than anyone else against Bendo in the UFC but it's not saying much.

[SPX]

But Bendo's WEC right? Everyone knows those guys are B-level. . .

[SPX]

BTW, as an interesting aside--and I'm not trying to name drop here, as everyone seems to think is the case when I make such a comment--but I talked to Bendo a while back and he said he trained with BJ and implied that BJ kicked his ass all around the cage.

Take it for what it's worth.

[Ludo]

BTW, as an interesting aside--and I'm not trying to name drop here, as everyone seems to think is the case when I make such a comment--but I talked to Bendo a while back and he said he trained with BJ and implied that BJ kicked his ass all around the cage.

Take it for what it's worth.

That doesn't surprise Me to be honest. Depending on how far back it was it could have been when BJ was with Mironovich and in phenomenal shape. Six pack Penn would have done to plenty of guys what he did to Diego that night had they been in Sanchez' place.

[SPX]

Bendo was still champ, so it was before the Pettis fight.

Do you really think Marinovich had that much to do with it? Just asking, because I'm undecided. I mean, did he lose to Edgar and Diaz because he wasn't in shape? Or did he lose because he just wasn't good enough?

[Ludo]

Bendo was still champ, so it was before the Pettis fight.

Do you really think Marinovich had that much to do with it? Just asking, because I'm undecided. I mean, did he lose to Edgar and Diaz because he wasn't in shape? Or did he lose because he just wasn't good enough?

Well he won the first fight with Frankie in My opinion, but thats neither here nor there. He definitely lost to Diaz because of poor conditioning. He just didn't have the gas to mount any credible offense after the first round because of the rapid pace Nick pushes. He lost to Frankie the second time and I think it was because Frankie flat out wanted it more. He wanted to prove he was better and that night he was much better. He figured out the puzzle and effectively dismantled Penn. I do think Mironovich had a direct impact on BJ though. He never looked so fresh in a fourth round as he did against Florian and Sanchez. I will say BJ could have been much better his entire career if only he took it seriously and trained hard for every fight.

[SPX]

I really just don't know. One thing I feel confidently about though is that not everyone can have Sherk cardio just by training hard. BJ seems to do well as long as a fight is at a methodical pace and stays on the feet.

Frankie mystified him (just like Frankie did to Maynard).
Diaz just beat the shit out of him.

I will agree that if BJ's cardio had held up in rounds 2 and 3 then he should've won against Diaz. But none of us really know how hard he trains for a fight. We just assume.

[Ludo]

Well BJ has always had terrible cardio by most standards. For a 155lb fighter he should be able to go much longer. There is a reason he used to be called "the best first round fighter in the world" early in his career. He wouldn't need sean sherk like cardio, but his stamina was among the worst in the division, or in welterweight for that matter. If he had the cardio to hang for the second and or third rounds I think he would have beaten Nick based on the first round and the way he was slipping punches and had Nick stepping back after he got tagged.

[sbjj]

http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=2672

Looks like only one site had it judged in favor of Bocek, probably based on submission attempts that failed hard and left Mark in terrible positions. Everyone else had it either 30-27 or 30-28. Given that I guess you could say Bocek did better than anyone else against Bendo in the UFC but it's not saying much.



What do you mean it is not saying much? He did better than both Miller and Guida. That would be like saying if someone did better against Jones than Shogun and Jackson that would mean nothing. I actually can not believe you even typed that nonsense. So Bocek having a better showing against Miller(a guy he also beat) and Guida does not say much? Get the F out. It says a whole lot when you are looking for a future bet on a guy(Bocek) who is a whole lot better than his record shows. That is the kinda stuff you have to look for. The dude is probably going to be close to even against F'n Lentz.

[poopoo333]

All in on Bocek over Lentz?

[Thewisemann]

Maybe

[MMA_scientist]

Lentz is the new Tyson Griffin. No matter how good or how bad his opponent is, Lentz will fight to their level and make it close. I think Oliveira blew him out though didn't he?

[sbjj]

Yea, Oliveira beat him bad. Lowe was easily beating him before he was caught in the third. And Griffin beat him but was robbed by the judges. I think Lentz has been very lucky in the UFC.

[MMA_scientist]

Well Bocek should be the best mat grappler Lentz has faced yet, but I think Bocek is more of a top oriented guy. They will probably both come to grapple... It will probably be a lot of up and down since Lentz doesn't play guard much either. Bocek's takedowns are pretty good though. I agree Bocek should win, but I wouldn't be super shocked to see Lentz win another decision by wearing him down and getting more takedowns. I think it will be pretty fun to watch and will be somewhat close. Lentz actually has the better wins, but I never realized that Bocek was such a finisher... guy has won almost every fight by submission. Although he doesn't have any real impressive wins, he only has one bad loss (Danzig). I think that was something of a fluke catch though. Bocek will probably win a decision or possible catch him in a submission. IMO Bocek is good up to -150 or so, I wouldn't go over that personally. Lentz is like Tebow, he finds a way.

[SPX]

. . . he only has one bad loss (Danzig). I think that was something of a fluke catch though.

Bocek himself has said that he was just exhausted in that fight after the first round. In fact, he changed up his training after that so he could improve his cardio and learn to cut weight better.

[Ludo]

What do you mean it is not saying much? He did better than both Miller and Guida. That would be like saying if someone did better against Jones than Shogun and Jackson that would mean nothing. I actually can not believe you even typed that nonsense. So Bocek having a better showing against Miller(a guy he also beat) and Guida does not say much? Get the F out. It says a whole lot when you are looking for a future bet on a guy(Bocek) who is a whole lot better than his record shows. That is the kinda stuff you have to look for. The dude is probably going to be close to even against F'n Lentz.

Why you mad tho?

The question had nothing to do with Miller or Guida. It had to do with how "well" Bocek did against Bendo which is fairly consistent with how both Guida and Miller did against Bendo. Not very well at all. If you call 30-27 decision losses in which all three parties got outmuscled, out struck, and all around beat up doing "well" then I don't know what to tell you. You have to look at those fights too in betting. Nobody said he couldn't beat Lentz or that he couldn't beat other people or that he's better than the fight with Bendo showed, the subject was how he did against Ben Henderson. Why are you going all left field when it was your post that started the subject matter to begin with?

[poopoo333]

Reported for discussing this fight in the wrong thread.

[Ludo]

Reported for discussing this fight in the wrong thread.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Fuck+Yo+Couch_f91bd0_682490.gif

Fuck yo couch, nigga!

[sbjj]

Reported for discussing this fight in the wrong thread.

Spot on. I should have never have brought up Bocek.

[poopoo333]

Ludo....when I get home in like 30 min let's play madden

[Ludo]

Sounds good to Me, mang.

[SPX]

I'm trying to convince Luke to get a PS3 so we can do shit like that.

[Ludo]

I'm trying to convince Luke to get a PS3 so we can do shit like that.

Get an Xbox 360, you can get in on these games on Live.

[SPX]

After just spending almost $400 on game shit it will probably be a while before that ever happens. But I do appreciate the thought.

[Mr. IWS]

Get an Xbox 360, you can get in on these games on Live.

I will fuck you gays up on Xbox

[poopoo333]

I'm trying to convince Luke to get a PS3 so we can do shit like that.

I got one now, letz do dis

[poopoo333]

I will fuck you gays up on Xbox

Hit me up @ GawthicHawtDawg. Zak, you absolutely suck. UFC undisputed 2010. Best of 17. I win, you step down from administrator and promote me. You win, I leave IWS forever.

[Mr. IWS]

Hit me up @ GawthicHawtDawg. Zak, you absolutely suck. UFC undisputed 2010. Best of 17. I win, you step down from administrator and promote me. You win, I leave IWS forever.

Bitch please. I got UFC 2012 already.

[Ludo]

I will fuck you gays up on Xbox

Gamertag?

[Mr. IWS]

Gamertag?

elitezack

[SPX]

I got one now, letz do dis

Didn't you say you don't have any games?

[poopoo333]

Didn't you say you don't have any games?

I'll go buy some. Or I can use that red box thing..how does that work zY?

[SPX]

You can get Super Street Fighter IV at Best Buy for $20.

[Ludo]

elitezack

Liiiiiyahhh!

[Mr. IWS]

Liiiiiyahhh!

Its either elitezack, or elitezak

[Ludo]

Its either elitezack, or elitezak

I tried both, you lie!

[Mr. IWS]

I tried both, you lie!


Elite Zack
Im looking at it on xboxlive website

[Mr. IWS]

http://i.imgur.com/SZvAF.jpg

[Ludo]

Elite Zack
Im looking at it on xboxlive website

Got it.

[zY|]

I'll go buy some. Or I can use that red box thing..how does that work zY?

Redbox is retarded easy. You either sign up on the site and pick out a game there and go to the kiosk it tells you and pick it up, or just to one of them (they are everywhere) and rent it on the spot. It's like $2 a day for a game, so it's not exactly viable for long periods, but otherwise it's a good deal.

[zY|]

You can get Super Street Fighter IV at Best Buy for $20.

This game looks exactly like SF2 from 20 years ago.

[Luke]

poopoo not know redbox,fail

[SPX]

This game looks exactly like SF2 from 20 years ago.

Does it? Graphics seem improved.

[zY|]

BOL

Exactly

[SPX]

There's new shit.

There are as many characters that I don't recognize as those that I do recognize.

Also, there's a combo system that I'm totally unfamiliar with (and that I can't figure out how to make work).

[Ludo]

What was the last console system you played, X?

[SPX]

The Wii, but I barely played it.

Before that, I had a GameCube, but the only games I played on it were Medal of Honor: Frontline (awesome fucking game) and Resident Evil 4.

The last system that I REALLY played was the PS2.

The last time I played Street Fighter was Super Street Fighter II on the Game Boy Advance about 10 years ago.

[Ludo]

So if you had a PS2 how do you not understand the combo system in a fighting game?

[SPX]

It's not that I don't understand the concept. I just can't seem to get them to work.

I mean, it says go quarter circle-quarter circle-punch-punch-punch and I do and nothing happens. But I just started playing the shit, so I'm sure I'll get it figured out.

BTW, it's been a while since I last even played a fighting game. I think the last games I had were Mortal Kombat 5 and Virtua Fighter 4 on the PS2. Can't remember if there was a emphasis on combos in either of those. The last game I remember where combos were a big part of it was Killer Instinct. Maybe that was it's big gift to future fighting games . . . combos.

Virtua Fighter 4 was fucking awesome, though. Are they even making new VF games? For that matter, do people even care about fighting games anymore? Seems like all anyone plays these days is WOW and first-person shooters.

[Ludo]

It's not that I don't understand the concept. I just can't seem to get them to work.

I mean, it says go quarter circle-quarter circle-punch-punch-punch and I do and nothing happens. But I just started playing the shit, so I'm sure I'll get it figured out.

BTW, it's been a while since I last even played a fighting game. I think the last games I had were Mortal Kombat 5 and Virtua Fighter 4 on the PS2. Can't remember if there was a emphasis on combos in either of those. The last game I remember where combos were a big part of it was Killer Instinct. Maybe that was it's big gift to future fighting games . . . combos.

Virtua Fighter 4 was fucking awesome, though. Are they even making new VF games? For that matter, do people even care about fighting games anymore? Seems like all anyone plays these days is WOW and first-person shooters.

Fighting games now are still around. They released a Mortal Kombat just last year, and a Street Fighter this year. Plus UFC Undisputed 3 is coming out early next year. Virtua fighter 4 had combos. I used to wreck shit with that shaolin monk guy.

[Luke]

I have a wii, never played a ps3, xbox maybe twice...........inb4MYnegging

[MMA_scientist]

Just negged everyone in here multiple times.

negged.... just negged.

[SPX]

What the fuck you negging for?

[MMA_scientist]

for being nintendo playing fags. and also talking about it.

[Ludo]

for being nintendo playing fags. and also talking about it.

Someone's bitter because Wii-fit didn't help. Go be fat somewhere else, fat scientist!

[Vandelay]

Someone's bitter because Wii-fit didn't help. Go be fat somewhere else, fat scientist!

repped

[MMA_scientist]

Someone's bitter because Wii-fit didn't help. Go be fat somewhere else, fat scientist!

post a pic, ludo.


repped

Were you even present for the fat scientist thread? You don't even know what he is talking about. And the correct terminalogy is "reeped". Negged.

[SPX]

for being nintendo playing fags. and also talking about it.

Fuck you.

Speaking of video games, I had this weird dream last night where this virtual reality technology had been perfected to where if you put these goggles on then it plays some trick on your brain to make you feel like you're really in the games environment. It was pretty cool. Of course, the first thing I did was say the fuck the game and start molesting various women that I ran into.

[Ludo]

Fuck you.

Speaking of video games, I had this weird dream last night where this virtual reality technology had been perfected to where if you put these goggles on then it plays some trick on your brain to make you feel like you're really in the games environment. It was pretty cool. Of course, the first thing I did was say the fuck the game and start molesting various women that I ran into.

You watched Gamer last night didn't you?

[MMA_scientist]

I think eventually they will develop some sort of believable virtual reality immersion technology. It may be 20 years away, but I think it will happen.

[SPX]

You watched Gamer last night didn't you?

I cannot say that I did, no.



I think eventually they will develop some sort of believable virtual reality immersion technology. It may be 20 years away, but I think it will happen.

I've been waiting for that shit for years. I remember playing this virtual reality game with my brother at the mall about 15 years ago, and not long after that it was announced that a virtual reality thing was coming to the Atari Jaguar. I was pumped about that shit, but it never happened.

Today, it seems like we're still as far away as ever, and no one really cares.

[Ludo]

I cannot say that I did, no.




I've been waiting for that shit for years. I remember playing this virtual reality game with my brother at the mall about 15 years ago, and not long after that it was announced that a virtual reality thing was coming to the Atari Jaguar. I was pumped about that shit, but it never happened.

Today, it seems like we're still as far away as ever, and no one really cares.

Thats because it doesn't have any practical use outside of gaming at this point. The military can't use it so they won't fund it and thats where alot of technological advances stem from.

[SPX]

Well the military could certainly use the kind of virtual reality that I'm envisioning. . .

And besides, gaming companies are always trying to develop new and better shit. Why not VR?

[Vandelay]

Were you even present for the fat scientist thread? You don't even know what he is talking about. And the correct terminalogy is "reeped". Negged.

Someone's still a little sensitive about his weight. And correcting my terminology while misspelling a word is laughable.

[Ludo]

Well the military could certainly use the kind of virtual reality that I'm envisioning. . .

And besides, gaming companies are always trying to develop new and better shit. Why not VR?

They are moving into other avenues. Like how Microsoft is developing some kind of technology where you control the game with your mind and brain power.

[MMA_scientist]

Someone's still a little sensitive about his weight. And correcting my terminology while misspelling a word is laughable.

Do you realize that I am the one that posted the pic? I think you meant laughible

[Vandelay]

Yes, I know you posted the pic. You're removal of the pic and constant rebuttals to anyone who mentions it show that you may not be over it yet. Also, your grammar needs some refining. It's spelled laughable. If the root word can stand alone, then the suffix is usually -able. If not, then the suffix is usally -ible.

I found Ludo's post funny. That is the reason why i repped him.

[MMA_scientist]

Yes, I know you posted the pic. You're removal of the pic and constant rebuttals to anyone who mentions it show that you may not be over it yet. Also, your grammar needs some refining. It's spelled laughable. If the root word can stand alone, then the suffix is usually -able. If not, then the suffix is usally -ible.

I found Ludo's post funny. That is the reason why i repped him.

Ok, fine, I am not over it. Do I take down the other pics of me because I am ashamed of how sexy and svelte I am too.

With regard to grammar, I think your style/sarcasm detection skills need some work.

[Vandelay]

Yea, I didn't catch that the first time.

[MMA_scientist]

In all seriousness, I am not sensitive about it at all. Had I grown up being a fat kid or something, I might have issues. But I have always been pretty slim and athleticly built. I had a phase where I got pretty damn fat, and I think it is funny. The reason I didn't want the pics up, is that I didn't want someone plastering them all over the place (since you guys are all pricks that cannot be trusted). I do have a real life and if by some twist of fate someone were to see it, I don't really want my real life facade to be connected to the reality that is me.


But if you really want to see Fat scientist, I still have the pic in my photobucket, but only the before and after version. I saved it to show my wife and thank her for not leaving me.

[SPX]

I saved it to show my wife and thank her for not leaving me.

BOL

[zY|]

Yes, I know you posted the pic. You're removal of the pic and constant rebuttals to anyone who mentions it show that you may not be over it yet. Also, your grammar needs some refining. It's spelled laughable. If the root word can stand alone, then the suffix is usually -able. If not, then the suffix is usally -ible.

*Your

[MMA_scientist]

*Your

::lmao::

Vandelay, you commited the cardinal sin of internet spell correcting (making your own grammar error while trying to condescend)... damn I really wish I would have caught that.

[Luke]

I see you fags are playing the internet grammar game again.........................everyone negged.

[Vandelay]

*Your

Wondering when someone was going to catch that. Took long enough.

[zY|]

Wondering when someone was going to catch that. Took long enough.

BOL

Right.

[poopoo333]

Charlie Brenneman vs. Daniel Roberts targeted for UFC on FX 1 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26392/charlie-brenneman-vs-daniel-roberts-targeted-for-ufc-on-fx-1.mma)
Brenneman wins easy

[SPX]

I agree. Easy win for him. Odds will probably be totally shitty.

[poopoo333]

Roberts might do OK for 3 minutes, but then his heart stops working and he forgets to breath

[SPX]

BOL.

My only concern is that Roberts is pretty crafty with his subs and Charlie could get caught in something, but I think that's very unlikely. I would be tempted to take Brenneman here even at some pretty shitty odds.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ agreed. Roberts only wins by submission, but that is going to be tough. Roberts is going to get cut.

[poopoo333]

Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller
Duane "Bang" Ludwig vs. Josh Neer
Pat Barry vs. Christian Morecraft
Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer
Vagner Rocha vs. TBA
Ryan Jimmo vs. Karlos Vemola
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Kamal Shalorus
Fabricio Camoes vs. Reza Madadi
Charlie Brenneman vs. Daniel Roberts
Nick Denis vs. Joseph Sandoval

[poopoo333]

Miller, TBA, Brenneman are going to win

[Luke]

God ,what a bad card

[SPX]

Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller -- I guess I do favor Miller, but will take Guillard at good odds.
Duane "Bang" Ludwig vs. Josh Neer -- Toss up, but will take Bang as an underdog.
Pat Barry vs. Christian Morecraft -- Oh, God. Please win, Pat Barry.
Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer -- Rivera
Vagner Rocha vs. TBA -- TBA
Ryan Jimmo vs. Karlos Vemola -- Hmm. . . Hard to call. Jimmo might be able to stick and move, but he got beat by Soko.
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Kamal Shalorus -- Uhh. . .
Fabricio Camoes vs. Reza Madadi -- Umm. . .
Charlie Brenneman vs. Daniel Roberts -- Brenneman
Nick Denis vs. Joseph Sandoval -- Err. . .

[poopoo333]

X, do you think Rivera will be able to stay off of his back against Schafer? I think Schafer has an edge in this fight, he is a big 185er coming down from 185. Rivera's T3D isn't great, and he is on the verge of retirement.

[edman5555]

depends on his line poopoo, i would def take him as a dog. I think Pat Barry should have this one.

[Ludo]

Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller- I'll take Miller unless Guillard remembers he's black again
Duane "Bang" Ludwig vs. Josh Neer- Ludwig should have this by being able to stay outside and pick his shots again
Pat Barry vs. Christian Morecraft- If Barry doesn't win this he needs to quit the game
Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer- I think losing to Bisping really confirmed that Rivera is damaged goods now. I'll take Schafer
Vagner Rocha vs. TBA- Rocha sucks
Ryan Jimmo vs. Karlos Vemola- I'll take Vemola by Seth Petruzelli
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Kamal Shalorus- Can I get that with onions?
Fabricio Camoes vs. Reza Madadi- Camoes probably gets outgrappled here
Charlie Brenneman vs. Daniel Roberts- Average Joe by stifling top game and work ethic
Nick Denis vs. Joseph Sandoval- I'm not at liberty to say

[poopoo333]

My biggest bet on this card will probably be Brenneman. If he is -200 or better I will be happy.

[edman5555]

I think Pat Barry should be the biggest bet...

[SPX]

X, do you think Rivera will be able to stay off of his back against Schafer? I think Schafer has an edge in this fight, he is a big 185er coming down from 185. Rivera's T3D isn't great, and he is on the verge of retirement.

I've never been impressed with Schafer's ability to get any fight to the ground. He got Houston Alexander down, and beat two other guys in the UFC that I don't even think I've heard of. Other than that he's just gotten beaten up.

[SPX]

Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer- I think losing to Bisping really confirmed that Rivera is damaged goods now. I'll take Schafer


Well why would Rivera ever be EXPECTED to beat Bisping?

[poopoo333]

I've never been impressed with Schafer's ability to get any fight to the ground. He got Houston Alexander down, and beat two other guys in the UFC that I don't even think I've heard of. Other than that he's just gotten beaten up.

His last three losses were to bigger wrestlers that were able to keep the fight standing. If Phillopou was able to take Rivera down and control him, I am sure it could happen again. This will be Rivera's last fight in the UFC. His only shot is to land a big punch imo

[SPX]

I guess we'll see. I'm just not confident in playing Schafer.

And when did Rivera say he was retiring?

[poopoo333]

I guess we'll see. I'm just not confident in playing Schafer.

And when did Rivera say he was retiring?

http://mmajunkie.com/news/24736/ufcs-jorge-rivera-decides-against-retirement.mma

He was obviously contemplating it, and probably would have if he won. I doubt the UFC keeps him around anyways if he loses

[SPX]

Guess we'll see.

[Ludo]

Well why would Rivera ever be EXPECTED to beat Bisping?

It wasn't losing, it was how he lost.

[SPX]

I wasn't too surprised, really. Rivera has never been a top 10 guy and Bisping pretty much always has. The fight was really a mismatch from the beginning. Rivera was in the right bracket when he was fighting guys like Nate Quarry and Nissen Osterneck. He never really had any business fighting Bisping.

[Ludo]

I wasn't too surprised, really. Rivera has never been a top 10 guy and Bisping pretty much always has. The fight was really a mismatch from the beginning. Rivera was in the right bracket when he was fighting guys like Nate Quarry and Nissen Osterneck. He never really had any business fighting Bisping.

Yeah but his chin has always held up a bit better than what Bisping has been able to dish out to anyone except maybe Elvis Sinosic.

[SPX]

Yes, getting FINISHED by Bisping IS kind of shameful.

[Ludo]

Yes, getting FINISHED by Bisping IS kind of shameful.

Especially when he won a slugfest with Quarry and weathered the storm from Phillipou

[SPX]

Maybe Bisping had a little something extra since he was so pissed off in that fight.

[poopoo333]

Where do you guys see the Miller/Guillard line opening up?

[SPX]

Miller -140
Guillard +110

[poopoo333]

My official guess:

Miller -130
Guillard EVEN

oh fuck it I am bored,

Duane Ludwig -175, Neer +125
Mike Easton -200, Ken Stone +160
Pat Barry -240, Christian Morecraft +200
Eric Schafer -150, Jorge Rivera +120
Charlie Brenneman -260, Daniel Roberts +220
Ryan Jimmo -115, Karlos Vemola -115

The other 3 I am not familiar with the fighters

[SPX]

I'll put half a u on Rivera and those odds and would DEFINITELY take Brenneman at those odds. I think Brenneman will open around -400 and even then probably still get pounded.

[poopoo333]

I doubt -400 even though he probably should be BOL

[SPX]

He's going to totally rape Roberts. TOTALLY. RAPE.

BTW, I made my first $40/unit bet . . . Vitor. Shit is on.

[poopoo333]

He's going to totally rape Roberts. TOTALLY. RAPE.

Yeah, Roberts might be able to end up in some good positions in the 1st round...but his black cardio will be gone quick

[SPX]

I think Roberts will be helpless and on his back for 12 of the 15 minutes.

His one chance is a crazy sub.

[Vandelay]

Whose standup is shittier? Anyway brenneman should win that one.

I also will be on Jimmo if he is anywhere near a pickem. Vemola is pretty bad standing and Jimmo has good tdd.

X. im counting on you to find some vids on these foreigners.

[Vandelay]

Probably bet on the decision prop as well cause jimmo finishes no one.

[SPX]

X. im counting on you to find some vids on these foreigners.

I'm handing that job off to PP.

[poopoo333]

I'm handing that job off to PP.

Fuck you guys, I was the video guy of 2011.

[SPX]

Which is why you continue to be the video guy of 2012.

You were so good at it.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTk_KpJeNuY&feature=player_embedded

“The biggest thing I learned [from the loss to Joe Lauzon] is to be patient and not rush myself. The only reason he won that fight was because I rushed myself. I was rushing my shots, trying to hit him. I actually ran into a stiff jab that actually rocked me. By the time I hit the canvas, I shook it off, but he was already on my back. So, it’s a life lesson — I walked away with nor scratches or bruises. And now I’ve been blessed even more that after the loss I’ve been given a number one contender fight against Jim Miller, live January 20 in Nashville. So, that goes to show you I didn’t lose anything from that loss, but I got to learn something.”

[MMA_scientist]

If Guillard gets a title shot by beating Miller, I quit UFC.

[poopoo333]

If this is a #1 contenders fight, Guillard will choke (no pun intended)

[poopoo333]

Starting to like Morecraft a bit in his fight with Barry

[SPX]

I don't trust Barry in there with anyone that has any kind of grappling ability whatsoever. In fact, I don't trust Barry at all.

[poopoo333]

I don't try Barry in there with anyone that has any kind of grappling ability whatsoever. In fact, I don't trust Barry at all.

Yeah, I think Morecraft can use his size and all that stuff and make this fight ugly. Barry is quick and explosive though, while Morecraft is basically the exact opposite. Morecraft won't have a big tall body to clinch up with and drag down like he was able to do against Struve and McCorkle. I will probably bet Morecraft @+300 or so.

SBJJ, I know you are high on Pat Barry...what do you think?

[SPX]

+300? So Barry at -500? Nah, I really doubt it. If World of Morecraft is +300 then I'd definitely put a small play on him.

[poopoo333]

+300? So Barry at -500? Nah, I really doubt it. If World of Morecraft is +300 then I'd definitely put a small play on him.

Yeah, nevermind. It will probably be +225 range. Barry losing 2 in a row/gassing against Beltran/being RNC'd without hooks against Cro Cop might finally let people know Barry isn't good.

[MMA_scientist]

I will take morecraft for sure @ +220. In fact, I will take any UFC HW at +220 against Barry.

[edman5555]

Morecraft seems kind of unathletic...is he even that great a grappler? I am thinking Barry is way better at kickboxing than Morecraft is at anything else. I could see Morecraft using his size to put him up against the cage, drag him down and submit him. Either that hurt him up against the cage/win a decision. Barry might go out there and knock him out though.

[MMA_scientist]

^ Oh Barry should win. Don't get me wrong... he is just not reliable enough to bet at - odds IMO.

[Luke]

Starting to like Morecraft a bit in his fight with Barry


No.


Guessing Barry will be lie -250 in this fight ,maybe a bit higher .

[edman5555]

Yeah I wonder what pat Barry is doing right now. Is he training or is he eating twinkles?

[Luke]

Yeah I wonder what pat Barry is doing right now. Is he training or is he eating twinkles?

Playing house with Brock

[poopoo333]

Miller -200, Guillard +150

Gay.

[AC88]

Guillard at + ODDS?! I know the guy is more unreliable than the biggest sleazeball family member, but at + odds I have to put something on him.

[MMA_scientist]

Guillard is probably always worth a bet at +odds and almost never worth a bet at -odds

[SPX]

Just put enough on Guillard to win a unit. Let's hope that Miller's slide into B class fighter continues with this fight.

[edman5555]

hmm i guess I have to side with Miller on this fight. His boxing is pretty decent and Guillard is terrible on the ground.

[SPX]

But can Miller get it on the ground? Better wrestlers than he have tried and failed when it comes to Melvin Guillard.

On the feet, can Miller outbox Guillard?

Hmm. . .

[Luke]

Just put enough on Guillard to win a unit. Let's hope that Miller's slide into B class fighter continues with this fight.

When did the slide start, he's only lost the Edgar(the champ) ,Maynard(who just fought for the belt),and Henderson(who's fighting for the belt next)............= B-class fighter ?

[SPX]

You know how it is, let him lose to Guillard and then get subbed by Guida or something and people will be calling for his retirement.

[poopoo333]

Miller is going to win.

[Luke]

Miller is going to win.


Why?

[MMA_scientist]

I got Miller here too. Won't be surprised at all if Guillard knocks him silly, but Miller has goos enough hands to stand and I think he will eventually drag him down and tap him out. I might do Miller by submission there if the odds are decent. I won't bet a lot on it though.

[edman5555]

I got Miller here too. Won't be surprised at all if Guillard knocks him silly, but Miller has goos enough hands to stand and I think he will eventually drag him down and tap him out. I might do Miller by submission there if the odds are decent. I won't bet a lot on it though.

Exactly my thoughts

[poopoo333]

Why?

What Scientist said.

Guillard's "rebirth" is silly. He had some favorable match ups, and he only squeaked by a couple of them as well.

[edman5555]

His sub defense has probably gotten better but he still is behind Jim killer on the mat.

[MMA_scientist]

Miller has a really strong submission game. I already underestimated his grappling once, and it cost me my one and only magic parlay loss
(he submitted Oliveira). Not Guillard by submission is probably a stone cold 2012 parlay lock though. So poopoo, if you are playing along Not Bisping to sub Maia, Not Guillard to sub Miller- those will be full bankroll dumps.

[mike]

Miller has a really strong submission game. I already underestimated his grappling once, and it cost me my one and only magic parlay loss
(he submitted Oliveira). Not Guillard by submission is probably a stone cold 2012 parlay lock though. So poopoo, if you are playing along Not Bisping to sub Maia, Not Guillard to sub Miller- those will be full bankroll dumps.

If i have a 5dimes account, I would def tail you on that bet, scientist.
Btw, how much money did you start out for this parlay thing, if you dont mind me asking? I'm tempted to open a 5dimes acc for this.

[MMA_scientist]

I started out with $400 last year. I originally was doing the prop parlays along with the 2011 never ending parlay. I ended up with around $2000 from it.

I am taking it down to $1000 for 2012 and rolling the rest into my regular bankroll. So each bet will typically be 50% of the total bankroll. But the ones I feel really good about, I will dump 100% on it. I don't expect a 500% ROI from it this year, I think I can turn it into $2500 though.

[edman5555]

I started out with $400 last year. I originally was doing the prop parlays along with the 2011 never ending parlay. I ended up with around $2000 from it.

I am taking it down to $1000 for 2012 and rolling the rest into my regular bankroll. So each bet will typically be 50% of the total bankroll. But the ones I feel really good about, I will dump 100% on it. I don't expect a 500% ROI from it this year, I think I can turn it into $2500 though.

Scientist has to go to the lab to make is hooker money.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ Nah, I just kill them when I am done and I keep using the same $50 over and over.

[poopoo333]

Top MMA News (http://topmmanews.com/) has learned that Ryan Jimmo will be unable to make his UFC debut in Nashville next week. Jimmo suffered an injury to his right ankle while training and is unable to fight.

..

[SPX]

Gay.

[edman5555]

Neer/Ludwig - My first reaction was Duane should take this but I am now leaning towards Neer. He has had 43 pro fights and hes only been knocked out once. He should be the superior grappler. After Duanes win over Amir he should be rated pretty highly. Neer wrestled for a little while in college btw. I will take Neer if he is at decent +odds.

River/Schaefer - Rivera is getting old. Schaefer is a way better grappler. I will take Schaefer if I can get +odds.

Brennamen - I think he should be able to nullify Roberts game. I Don't know who the better striker is though.

Morecraft/Barry - Tough call. Barry has the distinct advantage on the feet but Morecraft is very big. He also has choked out Big Sexy. I imagine if he can choke out anyone he is a better grappler than Pat Barry.

[mike]

I like Neer also but I am not sure if he can take Ludwig down. Neer also likes to stand and trade iirc. Ludwig did slow down in his last fight vs Sadolah. This is the only fight that I like on this card but probably will wait for a live bet on Neer after seeing the first round unless he opens at a significant underdog

[MMA_scientist]

I will take Schaefer close to even and for sure going to take Brenneman under -200, will place a bet up to -250 most likely.

[SPX]

I will take Schaefer close to even and for sure going to take Brenneman under -200, will place a bet up to -250 most likely.

-200? Wishful thinking, I believe.

I think he opens at -365 and possibly gets bet all the way to -500.

[poopoo333]

-200? Wishful thinking, I believe.

I think he opens at -365 and possibly gets bet all the way to -500.

Agreed...won't be surprised to see him sitting -420 to -500 until fight time.

Schafer close to even might be a big bet of mine...going to look at it some more to be sure.

[poopoo333]

Miller down to -155, is his line going to get better?

[sbjj]

Barry is actually not a bad WRESTLER. And his TDD has improved a lot. But his grappling is just plain bad. I really think he will be able to keep this thing standing. If you rewatch Barry's fights with Kongo and Struve you can see he was actually doing quite well until he just checked out. not sure Christian has the tools that those fighters have. All that said, Barry at -200 or higher is just not good. hell, even at even money i would still keep it small.

Miller-Guillard. this could really look like Guillards fight with Stephens. guillard IMO has the ability to box to a 3 round decision. I have a feeling guillard will be very tentative out there.

Ludwig-Neer. Please God make Neer a dog here. i think Neer has this one. he will not just follow Ludwig around and stare at him. he will force him to fight. Lud will damn near cardiac arrest half way through the fight.

Agree with everyone on brenn. he will be half of the 2 fight parlay for this event. but I do think -400 or higher is to high. Would really like to see him @ -260 or so.

[trotterz]

-200? Wishful thinking, I believe.

I think he opens at -365 and possibly gets bet all the way to -500.

His knock out loss in 3min against johnson is fresh in people's mind. I think we will maybe be able to get him for better odds than that

[poopoo333]

Yeah, there is a chance Ludwig gets overvalued in this one because of his last fight against Amir. Amir didn't do shit in that fight, Neer is aggressive and will push the pace. We all know Ludwig's conditioning problems. Is it possible Neer comes to grapple?

[poopoo333]

Final card:

MAIN CARD (FX)


Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller
Duane "Bang" Ludwig vs. Josh Neer
Mike Easton vs. Jared Papazian
Pat Barry vs. Christian Morecraft

PRELIMINARY CARD (FUEL TV)


Jorge Rivera vs. Eric Schafer
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Kamal Shalorus
Charlie Brenneman vs. Daniel Roberts
Fabricio Camoes vs. Tommy Hayden*
Daniel Pineda vs. Pat Schilling
Nick Denis vs. Joseph Sandoval

[AC88]

I don't like Schafer here due to the fact his striking is poor and his wrestling/takedowns are even worse.

[MMA_scientist]

His takedowns are not that bad IMO. They may not be enough to get Rivera down, but he got Houston down no problem. It will depend on the line for me.

I must be getting lazy, because I don't even know who half of these guys are. Someone look into these and report back.

[AC88]

I'm thinking of Rivera here. I'm starting to think a bet for over 2.5 rounds is a good one too.

[poopoo333]

Rivera was getting taken down often against Phillopou (or however you spell it), how does his TDs relate to Schafer's?

[MMA_scientist]

Starting points:

Mike Easton: BJJ bb under Llyod Irvin, wins over John Dodson and Chase Beebe (both split).
Jared Papazian: Trains with Gokor and Manvel. Best win is over Abel Cullem.
Just on style and record, I would lean Easton. Need to look at it once the line comes out.


Khabib Nurma..whatever: Combat Sambo world champion. 16-0. 6 by KO, 6 by sub, 4 decisions. Might be worth a play against Shalorus as a good sized dog. Going to look for some video on him.

Tommy Hayden: late replacement, looks like a solid regional fighter type, fighting out of Jorge Gurgel's camp. he is probably in over his head with Camoes. Going to look into this one further too if Camoes doesn't open too steep.

Pineda: anotehr regional type guy. Purple belt in BJJ. Win over Frank Gomez and 1-1 with Johnny Bedford.
Pat Schilling: Looks like a mid level wrestler with some submission skills. Finished all 5 of his fights in the first round with a variety of subs. But his competition is so weak that it is impossible to draw any conclusions (his last win was over an 0-7 guy). Probably can't bet this, but I would bet Pineda if he is a dog, just based on competition.


Nick Denis: another well rounded type with no real dominant skill. He has been in there with some good guys including Marlon Sandro, but he got KO's in 19 seconds.
Sandoval fought in the UFC and lost to Walel Watson (that tall guy). Again, nothing really stands out about him... another toss up between midlevel guys that will be out of the UFC shortly.


Recap: look at the russian sambo guy, Mike Easton, and Tommy Hayden.

[MMA_scientist]

Rivera was getting taken down often against Phillopou (or however you spell it), how does his TDs relate to Schafer's?

Well Philipou is more explosive for sure, but Schaefer has more of a pressing style. I still think Schaefer will be able to get him down.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, the Russian sambo guy looked appealing to me but I've been too lazy to youtube him

[Vandelay]

Easton will open as a big fav. He looked solid last time out, trains with cruz, and has a good record

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, the Russian sambo guy looked appealing to me but I've been too lazy to youtube him

Do your job and find some video on the russian. I have done my work for the day, that shit took me like 20 minutes. I am done.

[SPX]

Regarding Easton's "win" over Beebe. . .

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/7/Sherdogs-2009-Misc-Awards-22093

[MMA_scientist]

^^ good to know. Easton's takedown defense is not that great and apparently, he likes giving up his back. But Beebe couldn't submit him.

Easton vs. Dodson:

http://www.myspace.com/video/over/mike-easton-vs-john-dodson/55003137

[poopoo333]

Do your job and find some video on the russian. I have done my work for the day, that shit took me like 20 minutes. I am done.

I have to go bus some tables.

[MMA_scientist]

he was able to stuff Dodson, and win with striking. Dodson did take him down off a kick in rd 2, and he immediately gave his back to stand. he seems to want to stand but can defend himself on the ground. Dodson got him down in rd 3 too, he went to guard and went for a leg lock. I don't know, his striking is definitely better than average. He knows it is better to standup in MMA than play guard, which is good. I need to check out his opponent's takedowns though. He throws a lot of kicks.

[MMA_scientist]

Looked at Papzian. Easton is going to win that. His takedowns are notthat good and he has a brawling style standing. He really doesn't even look that strongon the ground... looks like he wins by keeping a high pace with a lot of pressure.

[Vandelay]

any1 know when Easton went to Alliance? im sure that has only helped his tdd.

[zY|]

Yeah I remember watching Easton/Beebe live and the scoring is as atrocious as advertised.

[Thewisemann]

Not really like much on this card besides Brenneman, who I will take to -400. Maybe a small play on Barry -150 or better, maybe a small play on Schafer. Most likey Brenneman will be my only play for a couple units.

[mike]

I'm not gonna tough this card. Dont like any of the matches and dont know half these guys

[sbjj]

http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0oGdd.vHBVPiCUAJsZXNyoA?p=Habib%20Nurm agomedov&fr=att-portal&fr2=piv-web#filters=new&facets=none

[MMA_scientist]

http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0oGdd.vHBVPiCUAJsZXNyoA?p=Habib%20Nurm agomedov&fr=att-portal&fr2=piv-web#filters=new&facets=none

Thanks. I think I am going to make a small play on Habib if he is +odds. I don't think Shalorus is that good with his brawling head down style. If he uses his wrestling, he will probably win a decision. But he pretty much always tries to stand and bang for some reason.

[poopoo333]

motherfucking bodog breaking lines

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/479.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

Hmm, those lines are going to have to travel for me to be interested.

[MMA_scientist]

Damn. I was way off on Easton -450... pfft.

[MMA_scientist]

Hmm, those lines are going to have to travel for me to be interested.

Bodog is horrible at opening lines, I don't know how they say in business. They will probably move a lot.

[poopoo333]

Barry -155 is actually tempting. This is probably a gimme fight for him but I will never feel comfortable betting on him . So much for Morecraft being +250

[MMA_scientist]

Easton is -365 on Sportsbook.

Are we going to get submission props on this card, probably not, because I want them and nothing good ever happens to me.

[poopoo333]

4:15 PM


24417
JORGE RIVERA
PK+130




24418
ERIC SCHAFER
PK-160

[poopoo333]

4:15 PM


24421
KHABIB NURMAGOMEDOV
PKEV




24422
KAMAL SHALORUS
PK-130







3:15 PM


24425
DANIEL ROBERTS
PK+210




24426
CHARLIE BRENNEMAN
PK-280

[poopoo333]

brenneman -280, let's get to it boys

[poopoo333]

TOMMY HAYDEN
PK+265




24430
FABRICIO CAMOES
PK-365







2:15 PM


24433
PAT SCHILLING
PK+140




24434
DANIEL PINEDA
PK-170







2:15 PM


24441
JOSEPH SANDOVAL
PK+175




24442
NICK DENIS
PK-235

[MMA_scientist]

Was expecting +odds on the russian sambo guy.

-280 Brenneman, I will take that.

Camoes is way worse that I was expecting.

[poopoo333]

I would have liked getting Schafer close to even..I will probably parlay him Neer

[SPX]

.5u on Rivera
4u on Brenneman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't believe Brenneman opened at -280 and REALLY can't believe it hasn't already gotten pounded.

Thanks again for the heads up on that line, PP.

[poopoo333]

Thanks again for the heads up on that line, PP.

::thumbup::

[poopoo333]

Right now I have plays on Miller, Neer, and Brenneman. I plan on parlaying Schafer with Easton or Camoes (or both??) when they open up on 5 dimes.

[mike]

.5u on Rivera
4u on Brenneman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't believe Brenneman opened at -280 and REALLY can't believe it hasn't already gotten pounded.

Thanks again for the heads up on that line, PP.
alright, i'll tail you, X. 3u to win 1

[SPX]

alright, i'll tail you, X. 3u to win 1

Let's do this thing. Should be easy money.

[poopoo333]

If Roberts ends up choking Brenneman out in the 1st, I quit.

[SPX]

If Roberts wins, it will definitely be by sub of some kind.

Did you bet Charlie?

[poopoo333]

Yeah I threw 3u on him.

[SPX]

Anyone going to bet on Roberts?

We need a curse-breaker. . .

[Thewisemann]

Only line I really like is Brenneman.

[mike]

If Roberts wins, it will definitely be by sub of some kind.

Did you bet Charlie?
I am thinking Roberts might surprise Brenamen with a wild haymaker and KTFO Brenamen lol. Brenneman been trying to train his striking so he might come in testing it out with Roberts. He will be more aware of Roberts' subs.

[MMA_scientist]

Roberts can't strike either. Brenneman is tough to submit, Roberts is not at the level required to submit him IMO. He does have some crafty front chokes, but Brenneman will get out.

[SPX]

I am thinking Roberts might surprise Brenamen with a wild haymaker and KTFO Brenamen lol. Brenneman been trying to train his striking so he might come in testing it out with Roberts. He will be more aware of Roberts' subs.

Brenneman wasn't even really KOd by an Anthony Johnson mega-kick so I'm not too concerned.

[Ludo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HjBkLbk6jKo


Weigh ins streaming live now.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlriNWF23eg&list=UUb4ynPVEfqFAmQPBYUoopJw& index=1&feature=plcp


Sounds like he is going to use his wrestling in this fight

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJPySgMz-Yk&feature=player_embedded

[poopoo333]

I have to work tonight, gay. Should be home in time for the first fight of the main card though. Just going to be checking my phone for results from 6 to 9 in the bathroom all night.

[poopoo333]

told ya


Win or lose, UFC on FX 1's Jorge Rivera set to retire (http://mmajunkie.com/news/27065/win-or-lose-ufc-on-fx-1s-jorge-rivera-set-to-retire.mma)

[trotterz]

Not guillard by sub is -11000 on 5dimes

[MMA_scientist]

dang... i am going to wait and see if that comes down. that's $1000 to win $9

[Luke]

Prelims start in 30 minutes on Fuel

[Svino]

Not guillard by sub is -11000 on 5dimes

Wow. That's pretty steep.

[AC88]

I'd say bet on Schafer because this is Rivera's last fight and I can see him getting worked by a younger fighter who wants it more.

[Luke]

stream?

[AC88]

That was just sad wtf was I doing placing such bad bets