February 15th UFC Fuel TV

[poopoo333]

Jake Ellenberger vs. Diego Sanchez to headline Feb. 15 UFC event on FUEL TV (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26304/jake-ellenberger-vs-diego-sanchez-to-headline-feb-15-ufc-event-on-fuel-tv.mma)

[mike]

Ellenberger KO1

[SPX]

Ellenberger should definitely win that and I daresay that this fight is a step down after beating Shields.

[sbjj]

Has Diego ever been stopped? Besides BJ. I think this fight is closer than many think. A couple of fights ago Ellenberger almost lost to Rocha. And I think Shields was made to order for Ellenberger.

[edman5555]

that knee could of been a little bit of luck too.

[poopoo333]

Has Diego ever been stopped? Besides BJ. I think this fight is closer than many think. A couple of fights ago Ellenberger almost lost to Rocha. And I think Shields was made to order for Ellenberger.

I think it will be a close fight, there is no way I think Ellenberger should be a heavy favorite. Ellenberger slows down after round 1, especially when "he is in a fight" and Sanchez just keeps coming forward. Ellenberger was visibly tired from lay and praying John Howard, and he was exhausted against Rocha IIRC

[MMA_scientist]

I think it is pretty close too, edge to Ellenberger in wrestling and power though. Diego is a good grappler, but he is not really a submission guy or a really crafty guy like that bjj german guy (can't remember his name, it was not Rocha though). He is just hard to score on and has good defense. I think Diego will survive anything Ellenberger throws his way, I don't know how much offense he will put up though. Maybe later in the fight Diego's insane cardio will be a factor.

[edman5555]

yeah could go either way. I think he might have a big strength advantage over diego though. not sure.

[Luke]

good matchmaking

[MMA_scientist]

^^ agreed, Ellenberger is one of the more credible contenders, but he needs some big name wins to generate interest to the causals. But if Diego beats him, he is a marketable fighter for GSP to beat the shit out of.

[AC88]

I don't think Sanchez can handle Ellenberger's striking. That said, I can see a crazy Diego in the later rounds taking down a tired Ellenberger. In my opinion, Ellenberger wins this by a split at worst.

[Luke]

I don't think Sanchez can handle Ellenberger's striking. That said, I can see a crazy Diego in the later rounds taking down a tired Ellenberger. In my opinion, Ellenberger wins this by a split at worst.

So basically you think it will look like the Kampmann-Sachez fight?

[MMA_scientist]

So basically you think it will look like the Kampmann-Sachez fight?

No way will Ellenberger be backing up the whole time. Neither one of these guys backs up. Should be some quality violence.

[trotterz]

Jake Ellenberger vs. Diego Sanchez to headline Feb. 15 UFC event on FUEL TV (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26304/jake-ellenberger-vs-diego-sanchez-to-headline-feb-15-ufc-event-on-fuel-tv.mma)



does the healine part also includes the fight to be 5 round?
IIRC, the main event of every UFC event should be 5 rounders now.

If that is the case, Sanchez will defenetely have the hedge in round 3-4-5

[Thewisemann]

Line guesses?

[MMA_scientist]

-140 Ellenberger

[Luke]

-140 Ellenberger

I'll say a bit higher like -175 to -200

[sbjj]

I'd bet Sanchez @ +150 or better. I would bet him @ even money if it was 5 rounds.

[Luke]

I'd bet Sanchez @ +150 or better. I would bet him @ even money if it was 5 rounds.


It is 5 rounds

[sbjj]

Hell, I like Diego then. If he can survive the first 2 rounds, I think he can sweep the 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

[poopoo333]

Stefan struve/dave herman

[AC88]

I think Ellenberger/Sanchez will look worse than Kampmann/Sanchez did. Honestly, I am willing to say that Ellenberger can stop Sanchez. Will anyone even possibly agree to that? I guess I'm too sold on Ellenberger like I'm sold on Ferguson.

[Luke]

Stefan struve/dave herman


nice match up::thumbup::

[Vandelay]

-300 ellenberger

[poopoo333]

UFC on FUEL TV 1 adds Simpson vs. Markes, Brookins vs. Yahya (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26551/ufc-on-fuel-tv-1-adds-simpson-vs-markes-brookins-vs-yahya.mma)

[mike]

the heck ? Markes was a freaking HUGE LHW last time and now he fights at MW ? that's gonna be a tough cut for him.

[Ludo]

Markes might literally pull Simpsons shorts down and fuck him up the ass in the middle of the octagon.

[poopoo333]

It's gonna be cool to see how Markes does when he isn't fighting an exhausted overhyped idiot

[SPX]

Simpsons

Simpson's








Who am I?

[Ludo]

Simpson's








Who am I?

zY and Luke in the hallway with the candlestick holder.

[SPX]

zY and Luke in the hallway with the candlestick holder.

BOL

BTW, they are apparently making a new Clue movie.

[Ludo]

BOL

BTW, they are apparently making a new Clue movie.

There was a first Clue movie?

[SPX]

Can'tTellIfTrolling

[Ludo]

I don't ever remember there being a Clue movie.

[SPX]

I'll take you at your word.

But I'd just say immediately download and watch that shit. Classic.

[poopoo333]

UFC NEWS – UFC on FUEL TV 1 Gets Dillashaw vs. Watson and Brookins vs. Roch

[poopoo333]

Just read Ellenberger/Sanchez is a 3 rounder.

[mike]

Just read Ellenberger/Sanchez is a 3 rounder.
ellenberger by ko

[Thewisemann]

So its not the main event??

[poopoo333]

It is...apparently just not 5 rounds. I could be wrong though but that's what I read

[poopoo333]

Nothing sticks out to me in Ellenberger/Sanchez. They are both strong, explosive, wrestle boxers (more so Diego). I give the edge to Ellenberger but probably won't bet this fight unless he is close to even or the dog. He will probably be -175

[Luke]

WTF is Ellenberger-Sanchez 3 rounds........are they trying to get Jake the win that bad?

[Thewisemann]

Yea if it is 3 rds that's pretty fishy

[AC88]

If they make the fight 5 rounds, I personally believe Diego Sanchez will die from injuries accumulated from Ellenberger.

[AC88]

either that or because they think Sanchez can come back and win after taking a horrendous beating for 2 rounds. :S

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4893.png

[SPX]

Will be staying away from that line for now. . .

[poopoo333]

I like Sanchez at that line

[SPX]

I just have a feeling Sanchez is going to get wasted, but maybe not.

I'll never get the Hathaway fight out of my mind. The fight that killed my 5d account.

[Svino]

I just have a feeling Sanchez is going to get wasted, but maybe not.

I'll never get the Hathaway fight out of my mind. The fight that killed my 5d account.

It's one of those fights where the results didn't make much sense at the time, and the make equally little sense in hindsight. I just sort of ignore it now when thinking about the fighters, kind of like Pettis / Bendo.

[AC88]

I would have taken Ellenberger to -300 so this line is beautiful.

[mike]

2.15u to win 1 on Ellenberger.

[poopoo333]

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[poopoo333]

Anybody have thoughts on Struve/Herman?

[SPX]

My thoughts are that I'm not fucking with it.

I imagine Struve has the technical advantage, but his fights are hard to call and he loves getting KOd.

[SPX]

Anyone else thinking that this card is just not great from a betting perspective? Nothing's jumping out at me and I haven't heard of nearly half the fighters on the card.

[poopoo333]

I put 1u on Struve @+105. Ronny Markes will be a good dog play (if he is the dog) and I also lean towards Stipe Miocic.

[SPX]

Why do you like Markes?

[poopoo333]

Why do you like Markes?

His T3D is pretty good, and he has solid TDs of his own...he is also going to be a huge 185er. I still have to look at it some more though but I doubt my mind will change

[edman5555]

I think ellenberger should win...

[trotterz]

I think ellenberger should win...

Ellenberger's gas tank is questionnable. And agains't sanchez, who is always pushing the action, it could become problematic for him.

[edman5555]

is it? I didn't realize that. I should watch some tape.

[trotterz]

is it? I didn't realize that. I should watch some tape.

Well I am especially reffering to his fight agains't condit. Ont he first round, he was DOMINATING condit ... BADLY ...
then he slowed downed in the second round, and in the third round, he was really gassed and it cost him the fight. Other than agains't Condit, he only went to a decision agains't Rocha for a split decision win. Again, it that fight, Ellenberger really slowed down in the later round but his wrestling saved him. I don't think that his wreslting will save him agains't sanchez if he gasses with Sanchez high pace.

I am not saying that Ellenberger won't win, I am just sawing that there is always a lot of intensity in all of Sanchez fights, and I question Jake's cardio

[poopoo333]

If this were a 5 round fight I would give the edge to Diego because Ellenberger does slow down a bit. But it's not.

[poopoo333]

Ellenberger slowed down as well against Howard IIRC

[edman5555]

are you sure it isnt a 5 rounder? I thought it was.

[mike]

i think it's a 3 rounder. If Sanchez comes in and sets a high pace against Ellenberger, chances are he will leave himself open to get KOed. I Ellenberger does slow down but I dont think we have to worry about that in a 3 round fight.

[poopoo333]

What is the lock of the card?

[Vandelay]

Dave Herman. maybe. I dunno, this card doesnt have many people I recognize.

[SPX]

Dave Herman? Why? I think that's a very hard fight to call, as all of Struve's fights are. They're all some Forrest Gump box o' chocolates kind of motherfuckers.

[poopoo333]

Dave Herman has power, Struve gets KO'd all the time. But I think Struve wins anyways...Herman will gas

[Luke]

Anyone who would take Ellenberger at -300 or more needs their head checked imo

[poopoo333]

Anyone who would take Ellenberger at -300 or more needs their head checked imo

Yeah....I think the line is way off. There is no way I would bet Ellenberger at even -200

[mike]

I think Ellenberger is free money. that's my only bet for this event.

[poopoo333]

I really don't believe Ellenberger has a clear advantage in this fight except for power.

[mike]

Sanchez cant take Ellenberger down so it is a striking match where Sanchez is outgunned. I only put 6u on Ellenberger.

[Luke]

I really don't believe Ellenberger has a clear advantage in this fight except for power.

+1


Sanchez cant take Ellenberger down so it is a striking match where Sanchez is outgunned. I only put 6u on Ellenberger.


He'll have Sanchez outgunned for about 1.5 rds. By rd 3 you'll be praying the rd would just end before Ellenberger falls over from exhaustion .Jake already has a bad gas tank and Sanchez is a pressure fighter.


There's a reason Dana made this fight 3 rds instead of 5.

[mike]

it wont go pass 1.5 rounds. real talk

[Luke]

Kind of a bold statement since Sanchez has never been stopped before .

[mike]

seriously, I dont see anything special from Sanchez. His striking is sloppy, his td is weak. He has good stamina but I think he will be stopped in this fight. He's been taking bad beatings in many fights. At some point, his brain is going to shut down on him. Ellenberger is a bad match up for Sanchez. I dont worry about the gassing problem as I dont think this fight will be a grueling grappling match.

[SPX]

I really don't believe Ellenberger has a clear advantage in this fight except for power.

He really should be the better wrestler.

[poopoo333]

He really should be the better wrestler.

Yeah probably, but I meant "clear" advantage.

[trotterz]

seriously, I dont see anything special from Sanchez. His striking is sloppy, his td is weak. He has good stamina but I think he will be stopped in this fight. He's been taking bad beatings in many fights. At some point, his brain is going to shut down on him. Ellenberger is a bad match up for Sanchez. I dont worry about the gassing problem as I dont think this fight will be a grueling grappling match.


He's took bad beatings for years while he was with his friends in his house. Since he has been back with a real camp (since the paulo thiago), training for real and with good gameplan, he's been doing quite good. As we saw on last saturday, everything in about gameplan for G. Jackson's fighters. I wouldn't be suprise to see sacnhez just try to grapple and clinch over and over with ellenberger for 1 full round, beeing stuffed everytime, just to tire him out badly and be able to win the other 2 rounds.

[poopoo333]

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[ctm0808]

Diego ITD is +1720.. lol. Ellenberger has looked kind of invincible, but I threw something small on that. Maybe Diego will go off like round 1 vs Guida (except with the uppercuts leading to a finish)

[mike]

lulz at that odd. You would win if Sanchez wins by DQ, right? that's more likely than him stopping Ellenberger by strikes lulz

[ctm0808]

Yep, DQ would be a win :) Maybe Ellenberger will smash Diego with a Bisping-style knee.

Otherwise, just have to hope Ellenberger gasses HORRIBLY and Diego pours it on the 2nd/3rd to somehow get the TKO. He did flurry pretty decently a few times while Kampmann's back was on the cage, and that was Fat Diego.

[Thewisemann]

Diego could choke out a gassed Ellenberger.

[edman5555]

Diego could choke out a gassed Ellenberger.

I was thinking something similar. I doubt it happens but +1720 is pretty good.

[poopoo333]

ya I went ahead and threw a little on Diego ITD @+1300 something. I would like to find someone to parlay Stipe Miocic with.

[AC88]

Ellenberger's line keeps getting worse.

[MMA_scientist]

Anyone else like Simpson at these odds?

[edman5555]

Anyone else like Simpson at these odds?

I haven't seen much of Ronny Markes but he comes from Nova Uniao. That is a pretty solid camp. He beat Karlos Vemola and Paulo Filho. It seems like Filho is washed up but he was pretty good in his day. Vemola seems like he likes to try and take guys down if I remember correctly. He lost 30-27 to Jon Madsen and Markes beat him 30-27. Just reviewed Filhos record, he has been doing really shitty lately. I'd like to watch the Markes Vemola fight video. That might be telling. I'm not really sure what to think but I can see why your looking at Simpson.

I am leaning toward a bet on Ellenberger but his line is turning to complete shit. I see this as a really tough battle for Sanchez to win. I am wondering how DS will look at the weigh ins though. He looked kinda plump for the Kampmann fight and he managed to do well. Granted Kampmann and Ellenberger are much different. If Diego is in really good shape he might be able to wear out Ellenberger. I guess we all would agree that Ellenbergers wrestling + standup power could be a realy problem for Diego. It is hard to grind through really hard ko power punches to the face.

[edman5555]

Natal state Jiu-Jitsu champion and vice Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion

Ronny Markes

[edman5555]

I can't find the fight video but I read the play by play and Markes was able to out wrestle Vemola. Vemola is a czech republic wrestling champion. Simpson is probably the better wrestler though.

[edman5555]

shit i did not know about Atrain:

What ranks and titles have you held? 2 time NCAA ALL American, 12th most wins in ASU’s Wrestling history, 1997 Pac 10 Champion and “Outstanding Wrestler” for the Pac 10 division, 5th place US Olympic Trials in 2000, 4th Place US Olympic Trials in 2004, USA National Team Member, 142-1 in High School, Member of Real Pro Wrestling, He and His wife competed as a team on season 2 of NBC’s American Gladiators, wins over such notable wresters as Mark Munoz, Olympian Ben Askren, and Olympian Andy Hrovat.

4th place in olympic trials 2004

[SPX]

Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

That's right . . . gotta get that American Gladiators footage. . .

[mike]

edman, if u want to watch the vemola markes fight, i can upload for u.

[MMA_scientist]

Any thoughts on Watson vs. Dillishaw? I am thinking Dillishaw should be able to get the takedown and work his game. The only issue is that there is like a foot of reach for Watson.

[poopoo333]

Not sure...I don't think we have ever seen Watson off of his back/his T3D. Didn't get to see his fight against Jabouin but I read he was robbed.

[poopoo333]

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)


John Albert vs. Ivan Menjivar
Jonathan Brookins vs. Vagner Rocha
Sean Loeffler vs. Buddy Roberts
Anton Kuivanen vs. Justin Salas
Bernardo Magalhaes vs. Tim Means

[edman5555]

Menji sticks out.

[SPX]

I only recognize three names out of that whole group. Seems like that's happening more and more these days.

[trotterz]

I only recognize three names out of that whole group. Seems like that's happening more and more these days.

Well, nowadays, there is events almost every weekend, as opposed to once per month as before. So for sure they needed a lot of new guys.

There is a lot of good opportunities for betting when there is a bunch on unknown guys, because you can get the better guys for really cheap because nobody knows them, but you have to research a lot. And it this event, I looked at pretty much all of the unknown guys, and nobody stood up IMO ....

[poopoo333]

Well, nowadays, there is events almost every weekend, as opposed to once per month as before. So for sure they needed a lot of new guys.

There is a lot of good opportunities for betting when there is a bunch on unknown guys, because you can get the better guys for really cheap because nobody knows them, but you have to research a lot. And it this event, I looked at pretty much all of the unknown guys, and nobody stood up IMO ....

The only one I saw that might have value is Salas...he is a wrestler type guy and Kuivanen is one of those foreign guys that is a well rounded guy but has conditioning issues

[poopoo333]

Rocha +175? weird

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/485.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

John Albert is worth a play @+280 as well..

wish I had sportsbook

[MMA_scientist]

Rocha has some pretty terrible standup... but Brookins stand-up is equally bad. Rocha is much more experienced grappler, but Brookins has the wrestling. Basically a wrestler vs a bjj guy, in a fight that should play out on the mat. I still think Rocha is good at +175 though.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't know if I am just losing the touch or what, but this is like the 3rd card in a row where I probably won't bet. I like Dillishaw, I need to look a bit more at Watson, but I might do that.

[edman5555]

It's getting harder. There are so many fighers that are new. Research is vital now heh. I am feeling pretty good though. I picked up 1.8u the other night. I almost back to where I was before I washed it all down the drain a couuple weeks ago. I am basically even for the year so I really want to make something good out of this UFC.

[Ludo]

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[Luke]

That just reminded me. . . I need to watch the weigh-ins I DVR'd.

[SPX]

Simpson now the dog. Justified or no?

[Thewisemann]

Simpson is gonna win I think, and Sanchez by Rnc rd 3

[SPX]

Simpson is gonna win I think, and Sanchez by Rnc rd 3

I just grabbed both of them, so cool.

[BIGDAY]

FIGHT NIGHT Boys!!!! ::wooo::

::dance:: ::rockwoot:: ::2drinks::

Risking 5 Units on Ellenberger -265 hedged with 1 Unit on Sanchez by dec @+497
Risking 1 Unit on each below;
Simpson +105
Loeffler +140
Kuivanen +135
Magalhaes -115

::cheers::

[SPX]

^^^ what the fuck is all that shit?

[SPX]

Today feels kind of like a Saturday to me because of this shit. . .

[edman5555]

anyone know much about John Albert?

[MMA_scientist]

He was on TUF. He looked improved in his last fight. He is well rounded, strong guy. He is probably going to give Menji everything he wants and more. Tough fight to call IMO.

[edman5555]

Ya think so? Menji is so much more experienced. Albert has fought mostly cans but I guess it doesn't mean he can't win. Nick Pace gave Menjvar some trouble.

[SPX]

Anyone else gonna be around for the undercard?

[Svino]

Anyone else gonna be around for the undercard?

I'm around. Gotta see how much I lose on my undercard bets.

[SPX]

Think positive.

[SPX]

Word on the street is that bonuses are:

Menjivar, Stipe, Sanchez/Ellenberger

I think Brookins kinda got stiffed.

[SPX]

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[SPX]

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[poopoo333]

Bookmaker graded the FOTN props thankfully

[Ludo]

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[Mr. IWS]

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LOLWUT

I didnt see this last night.

[Ludo]

LOLWUT

I didnt see this last night.

The funny thing is that's the one of the bunch that actually happened.

[Mr. IWS]

The funny thing is that's the one of the bunch that actually happened.

What the fuck is he saying walking to the ring?

[Ludo]

What the fuck is he saying walking to the ring?

I don't know, nobody could hear it. But he was talking to himself for the entire walkout, and then up until the ref called them to the middle of the cage to touch gloves. He sat in his "corner" talking to himself the entire time up to that point.

[SPX]

Diego's so hilarious.

[Mr. IWS]

Diego's so hilarious.

I wonder if he is trolling for his buddies who are watching at this point.

[SPX]

Diego Sanchez Contemplating Move Back to Lightweight | MMAWeekly.com (http://sherdognet.craveonline.com/index.php#http://www.mmaweekly.com/diego-sanchez-contemplating-move-back-to-lightweight)

[Svino]

The funny thing is that's the one of the bunch that actually happened.

Yeah, it's funny because the way the light hits the cross, it almost looks shopped.

[Ludo]

Thats because he's sporting the vampire hunting model. Too much Silver.

[SPX]

Word on the street is that Vagner Rocha has been cut.

Considering he was an injury replacement for Cerrone and he demolished McKenzie, I would've thought he would get one more opportunity.