UFC 145

[poopoo333]

Rory MacDonald vs. Che Mills slated for UFC 145 in Montreal (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26515/rory-macdonald-vs-che-mills-slated-for-ufc-145-in-montreal.mma)

[mike]

I'll be on Che Mills >;[

[MMA_scientist]

Why is Rory stepping (way) down in comp? He goes from Condit, to Diaz, to Mills? Each fight is easier than the last. Give him Ellenpierstorennemandricksradly.

[edman5555]

his line will be insane.

[Luke]

.............................................

[Mr. IWS]

Negged for starting an event thread with Che Mills.

[Luke]

Chad Griggs vs Travis Browne

..

[SPX]

Browne should win that, but if Griggs somehow took it I wouldn't be shocked.

[Ludo]

Browne should win that, but if Griggs somehow took it I wouldn't be shocked.

I see no reason either guy can't win it, but Browne has a distinct size advantage both in height and weight. If Griggs catches him though he's going to have to do a better job of finishing than he did against Bigfoot.

[Luke]

^^^^^^^when Griggs fought Silva bol.......fail

[Luke]

Clay Guida vs Gray Maynard

[SPX]

That will be an interesting fight. Gotta think Maynard will win.

[edman5555]

I gotta go with Guida.

[SPX]

Srs?

[edman5555]

Yeah maybe. I don't know. He can probably win a decision.

[SPX]

What's he do better than Maynard?

[Luke]

What's he do better than Maynard?

Jump around while shaking his hair

[edman5555]

Or not. It would be fairly close IMO. Guidance has decent wrestling defense plus high work rate. You know how guidance manages to beat people. Gray might be able to put him on his back. I just can't remember anyone really holding guida down for very long though. Standing, I gotta go with guida. Auto complete made me say guidance

[edman5555]

Jump around while shaking his hair

This

[edman5555]

This

Black belt level.

[SPX]

Or not. It would be fairly close IMO. Guidance has decent wrestling defense plus high work rate. You know how guidance manages to beat people. Gray might be able to put him on his back. I just can't remember anyone really holding guida down for very long though. Standing, I gotta go with guida. Auto complete made me say guidance

I just can't imagine Guida outwrestling him or outstriking him.

But I will say that, despite the loss, Guida actually did pretty good against Bendo and has looked good overall lately.

[poopoo333]

I'm not sure how Guidance wins, I see Guidance losing to Maynard and moving down to FW.

[SPX]

Fuckin' Guidance.

What an asshole.

[Ludo]

Or not. It would be fairly close IMO. Guidance has decent wrestling defense plus high work rate. You know how guidance manages to beat people. Gray might be able to put him on his back. I just can't remember anyone really holding guida down for very long though. Standing, I gotta go with guida. Auto complete made me say guidance

Diego had Clay down for a while when they fought. Benson just got done wrestlefucking the shit out of Guida to the tune of 30-27 by being the bigger, stronger wrestler. I see Gray doing the same thing to him to be honest. I see no reason Gray doesn't just herd him to the fence and clinch rape him for three rounds assuming he doesn't knock Clay out with one of those uppercuts he likes so much.

[poopoo333]

Brendan Schaub vs Ben Rothwell

[edman5555]

I am probably wrong about Guida. I was thinking the Bendo fight was a little closer. Guida is always somewhat competitive.

[AC88]

I dont' see how Rothwell beats Schaub. After that performance against Mark Hunt, I don't see how he beats most people at UFC HW that is competent on the ground.

[Luke]

I dont' see how Rothwell beats Schaub. After that performance against Mark Hunt, I don't see how he beats most people at UFC HW that is competent on the ground.

Think that is the point of the match up. It will give ole glass chin his confidence back .

[AC88]

and to cut Rothwell too

[SPX]

Yeah, I have to believe that Rothwell is gonna be toast.

[poopoo333]

I wonder what the main event is going to be?? Nothing sticks out to me

[poopoo333]

Mark Hominick vs. Eddie Yagin on tap for UFC 145 in Montreal (http://mmajunkie.com/news/26796/mark-hominick-vs-eddie-yagin-on-tap-for-ufc-145-in-montreal.mma)

[poopoo333]

UFC NEWS – UFC Adds Wiman vs. Bocek To Return Trip To Montreal

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[SPX]

Wiman/Bocek will be interesting. Really not sure who wins that one.

[poopoo333]

Mac Danzig Fights Efrain Escudero At UFC 145


...

[edman5555]

Rothwell is a pretty decent striker, experienced, and a big guy. If he shows up and puts up a great performance he can win.

[poopoo333]

I am thinking that Jones/Hendo will be on this card.

[poopoo333]

I am thinking that Jones/Hendo will be on this card.

If this is the case, I like Jones up to -500

[Thewisemann]

Hendo is gonna knock Bones head off

[Mr. IWS]

All in on bones for me if that is the case.

[AC88]

All in on Bones. Bones by sub is tasty.

[Luke]

UFC officials today announced that Anthony Njokuani (14-6 MMA, 1-2 UFC) and John Makdessi (9-1 MMA, 2-1 UFC) have verbally agreed to meet at the March event, which takes place in Montreal.

.

[edman5555]

Wow tough one. I'll take njokuani

[poopoo333]

Njokuani.

[poopoo333]

Miguel Torres Vs. Michael McDonald Booked For UFC 145 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/1/21/2722707/michael-mcdonald-vs-miguel-torres-ufc-145-atlanta)

[SPX]

That should be a quality scrap. . .

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/5065.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Mr. IWS]

Ill throw a lil somthin somthin on Rashad.

[MMA_scientist]

I will lose some money betting against Jones again.

[poopoo333]

Jones/Rory MacDonald parlay for me.

[SPX]

Ill throw a lil somthin somthin on Rashad.


I will lose some money betting against Jones again.

Me too.

[mike]

Miguel Torres Vs. Michael McDonald Booked For UFC 145 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/1/21/2722707/michael-mcdonald-vs-miguel-torres-ufc-145-atlanta)

whos winning this one, guys? im leaning Torres.

[SPX]

Probably Torres. If I could get him at the -130 that 5d has him at, I'd probably take him. But Torres hasn't looked great lately, so I wouldn't be confident betting him at anything worse than that.

[Ludo]

Torres looked awesome in his last fight, and he should have gotten the nod against Mighty Mouse.

[SPX]

He looked awesome against a dude who is 1-3 under Zuffa. And I agree he should've won against DJ but that fight was still a lot closer than I thought it should've been.

[Ludo]

He looked awesome against a dude who is 1-3 under Zuffa. And I agree he should've won against DJ but that fight was still a lot closer than I thought it should've been.

Yeah but to be fair Pace got thrown to the wolves. His debut was against Mighty Mouse, he beat that scrub Campuzano, and then had to fight the ever-massive-for-bantamweight Menjivar, and then probably the most experienced bantamweight on the planet. Not quite a murderers row, but close to it for a guy like Pace who's only had five fights coming in.

[SPX]

Yeah, that is true. I wonder why they do that sometimes? It seems like every fighter is due their building up period where they get to fight some lower level guys.

[Ludo]

Yeah, that is true. I wonder why they do that sometimes? It seems like every fighter is due their building up period where they get to fight some lower level guys.

I'm not sure why they gave him some of the toughest varied opponents in the division with only 5 fights on his prior record, but it did seem a little unfair. I think because Bantamweight is an under-developed division they don't really believe in steady progression there.

[edman5555]

I will be all over Miguel Torres...I think Mcdonald has looked good but his competition has been somewhat weak. How does he beat Torres? Maybe keeping it standing and trying to outstrike him? Torres has pretty good standup. I'm not sure what T's takedowns are like though. I would imagine he is wily enough to be able to pull something out. Either way I will take Torres at close to EVEN. Hopefully the line holds.

[SPX]

Torres's takedowns are not great.

And why do you hope the line holds? If you like it, why not just bet it now?

[edman5555]

It is in April you silly motherfucker.

[SPX]

So? I've already got money on Belfort/Silva and Sonnen/Silva. . .

[edman5555]

I have a small bankroll, only at about 11u right now. I would normally but I can't now.

[SPX]

Gotcha. Why don't you deposit more or break that shit up?

[Luke]

I never bet fights early.............but I change my mind a lot .

[SPX]

Yes Luke, your aversion to taking advantage of opening lines is well-known.

[Luke]

Yes Luke, your aversion to taking advantage of opening lines is well-known.


Dude,you forget to mention all the times you jump on a line early and it goes the opposite way and I end up with a better line than you do on fight day.

It all evens out.

[SPX]

Maybe it evens out, I dunno.

Some lines you just KNOW are going to get worse, though. Like the Belfort line.

[Luke]

Some lines you just KNOW are going to get worse, though. Like the Belfort line.

I agree with that.

If I do miss out on 20 cents once in a while it's only because I don't like jumping on line without researching first.

[Luke]

So? I've already got money on Belfort/Silva and Sonnen/Silva. . .


Who did you bet in the Silva-Sonnen fight?

[SPX]

Sonnen. . .

[Luke]

Sonnen. . .

That one is going the other way.Think it will continue since Chael didn't look so great against Bisping.Like I said what I lose on Belfort I'll gain on Sonnen so it all evens out give or take 20-30 cents(I hope).


I should track what lines open at and what I get them and see what it ends up costing me at the end of the year but I'm just way to damn lazy to tell ya the truth.

[SPX]

I should track what lines open at and what I get them and see what it ends up costing me at the end of the year but I'm just way to damn lazy to tell ya the truth.

I've thought about doing something like that as well.

[Luke]

I've thought about doing something like that as well.


Well you can find all my bets in the tracker..............do mine too.::handshake::

[SPX]

Fuck that shit.

[Luke]

Fuck that shit.


::lmao::

[mike]

from what i see, huge favorites tend to get worse and vice versa. close fights can go either way.

[Luke]

from what i see, huge favorites tend to get worse and vice versa. close fights can go either way.


huh?

[poopoo333]

I will be buying tickets to this event this week.

[Luke]

I will be buying tickets to this event this week.


Didn't know BWW started charging admission.

[edman5555]

I agree with Luke on researching and waiting. That seems to be the best policy but spx is also correct about vitor.

[SPX]

huh?

I think he means that a lot of the guys who end up around -500 or worse start out at -365 or better and then quickly travel in that direction.

[mike]

I think he means that a lot of the guys who end up around -500 or worse start out at -365 or better and then quickly travel in that direction.

yep. thats whats im saying. its not often to see a huge fav's line get worse and then get back to the original opening line. i too think belfort line will only get worse but i havent bet him yet. the other books have him at -270 while bmaker has him at -345? shiet

[poopoo333]

Rashad Evans vs Jon Jones - 5 rounds - UFC 145 propositions


Sat 4/21

1003 Evans/Jones goes 5 round distance

+170





9:00PM

1004 Fight won't go 5 round distance

-230

[SPX]

Word on the street is that Stephen Thompson vs Matt Brown has been added to this card.

I hope to get Thompson at good odds.

[Ludo]

Thompson probably gets worked in that fight.

[SPX]

Why?

It's not like Brown is a great striker OR a great grappler.

[edman5555]

He is vastly more experienced though.

[Ludo]

Why?

It's not like Brown is a great striker OR a great grappler.

No, but he is the classic representation of the kind of fighter who beats fighters like Stephen. Thompson as we saw is a side stance straight up TMA-er. Anyone with a decent clinch or single may very well fuck his world up. Brown is a pure grinder, he's going to make this ugly, which was something Stephen's last opponent was unable to do.

[SPX]

Anyone with a decent clinch or single may very well fuck his world up.

They keyword there is MAY. That's speculation. We really don't know much about Thompson's grappling. We DO know that he is a black belt in a form of jiu-jitsu that at least claims to be 50% groundwork and that his brother-in-law is Carlos Machado. Personally, I think that it will probably take a grappler other than I-get-subbed-every-time-the-fight-hits-the-ground Matt Brown to exploit whatever weakness may be there.

[SPX]

He is vastly more experienced though.

Only in MMA. Thompson is a far more experienced fighter as a whole.

[SPX]

I'll also point out that Brown is 13-11 overall. Granted, he's fought some good comp and everyone who beat him is pretty good.

But on the flipside of that, who is his best win? John Howard, I guess. Then who? James Wilks? Matt Arroyo? Pete Sell?

[Ludo]

I'll also point out that Brown is 13-11 overall. Granted, he's fought some good comp and everyone who beat him is pretty good.

But on the flipside of that, who is his best win? John Howard, I guess. Then who? James Wilks? Matt Arroyo? Pete Sell?

Would you put Thompson on par with any of those guys, though?

[edman5555]

thompson is really new to the game though. He only has 6 mma fights as far as I know.

[SPX]

Would you put Thompson on par with any of those guys, though?

The problem is that Thompson is a wildcard. We just don't know. But he's been doing well so far and most regard him as a serious prospect. I'll at least say that I have little doubt that Thompson would put Pete Sell in a bodybag. I also would favor him against Wilks, Arroyo, and maybe Howard.



thompson is really new to the game though. He only has 6 mma fights as far as I know.

And Chris Weidman only had 4 fights when he got to the UFC. John Makdessi only had 7 fights. And they both came in and beat mid-tier guys like Brown.

[zY|]

Matt Brown is going to go buckwild on the karate fag. He'll make it dirty and straight dig in dat ass.

[SPX]

My Prediction:

Thompson's footwork and movement is so good that Brown can barely even touch him. 30-27 for Thompson.

[Ludo]

My Prediction:

Thompson's footwork and movement is so good that Brown can barely even touch him. 30-27 for Thompson.

Sig bet?

[SPX]

Sig bet?

That it's a 30-27 or just that Thompson wins?

[Ludo]

That it's a 30-27 or just that Thompson wins?

Let's just go pick'em on it. If Thompson wins you pick My sig for a week, if Brown wins I pick yours for a week. Deal?

[SPX]

Let's just go pick'em on it. If Thompson wins you pick My sig for a week, if Brown wins I pick yours for a week. Deal?

Okay. Deal.

[Ludo]

Okay. Deal.

::handshake::

[SPX]

BTW, anyone got line guesses?

I bet Thompson comes in as the fave. Maybe -140.

[edman5555]

sherdogs new site sucks. Fightfinder takes forever to load.

[mike]

lol u gonna lose money on this Thompson guy, SPX.

[SPX]

sherdogs new site sucks. Fightfinder takes forever to load.

I think the Fight Finder is the only thing that's improved. Other than that, yeah, it sucks. It's a lot harder on the eyes.

[SPX]

lol u gonna lose money on this Thompson guy, SPX.

lol u gonna suck your gay boyfriend's dick tonight, mike

[Ludo]

Good times.

[mike]

lolz dont bet too heavy on him.

[SPX]

lolz dont bet too heavy on him.

I appreciate your concern.

[poopoo333]

Thompson will open @-200 or worse and Brown's line will get pounded.

[SPX]

Thompson will open @-200 or worse and Brown's line will get pounded.

Who's gonna win?

[poopoo333]

Who's gonna win?

At first thought I thought Brown is gonna make it ugly and win. But Thompson is just so unknown..we've seen one fight.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4948.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4981.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)\

Shaub was -185 at one point.

[SPX]

I probably would've taken him at -185. ~-250 is too high though, in my opinion.

[MMA_scientist]

Rory is pretty much a lock right? going to look to parlay that bitch. I wouldn't touch Schaub. Rothwell has beaten better fighters (Roy) and I think Schaub's chin might be shot already.

[zY|]

Matt Brown is going to pull Thompson's pants down and literally fuck him in the ass right in the cage.

[SPX]

Matt Brown is going to pull Thompson's pants down and literally fuck him in the ass right in the cage.

I'm genuinely surprised that there is so much Matt Brown love going on for this fight.

[SPX]

Has Luke called Matt Brown a bum yet? If not, he will after Thompson gets done with him.

[Luke]

Has Luke called Matt Brown a bum yet? If not, he will after Thompson gets done with him.


I know you love karate but lets be honest............half of his kicks were so telegraphed I could have blocked them.

[Luke]

Has Luke called Matt Brown a bum yet? If not, he will after Thompson gets done with him.


I called Chris Cope a bum before the Matt Brown fight. If Brown loses this then he will also gain "bum" status.

[SPX]

I guess we'll see what's up in April. . .

[Luke]

I guess we'll see what's up in April. . .

You don't think between now and April Brown's trainers can get him ready to defend a few head kicks?

[SPX]

BOL. If it was that easy, then why didn't Brock destroy Reem?

This shit is full of lulz. Brown is primarily a striker and is a decent jack-of-all-trades kind of fighter. But his striking is not great. Thompson is a kickboxing CHAMPION who did very well in the WCL, a legit national kickboxing org. Maybe it's not K-1, but the kind of guys he had to fight there were better than fucking Matt Brown.

[Luke]

Thompson is a kickboxing CHAMPION who did very well in the WCL, a legit national kickboxing org. Maybe it's not K-1, but the kind of guys he had to fight there were better than fucking Matt Brown.


Reaching very hard there chief

[SPX]

BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Matt Brown is an elite striker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm not sure whether to post this:



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/df/TheTwilightZoneLogo.png/250px-TheTwilightZoneLogo.png



. . . or this:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KljuTcXd7NU/TlDsBUkly_I/AAAAAAAAAmA/xJlHiO5iHms/s1600/files_troll_2.jpg

[Luke]

UFC has the best fighters in the world,not the WCL.

[SPX]

You don't even know shit about the WCL.

[Luke]

You don't even know shit about the WCL.


I watched it on Versus once. Does that count for anything?

[mike]

Rory is pretty much a lock right? going to look to parlay that bitch. I wouldn't touch Schaub. Rothwell has beaten better fighters (Roy) and I think Schaub's chin might be shot already.

I will not be surprised if Mills ends Rory's night early. That dude has a killer instinct but Rory is the rightful fav with his wrestling.

[SPX]

I watched it on Versus once. Does that count for anything?


Yeah, I think that makes you an expert. I retract my previous statement.

[Luke]

Yeah, I think that makes you an expert. I retract my previous statement.


::handshake::

[Luke]

Moving this to "traditional martial arts" thread

[SPX]

Moving this to "traditional martial arts" thread

A gloriously successful thread . . . thanks to Ludo. And no thanks to the rest of you motherfuckers.

[SPX]

I called Chris Cope a bum before the Matt Brown fight. If Brown loses this then he will also gain "bum" status.

Considering Brown is 6-5 in the UFC, I'm surprised you already haven't dropped the bomb on him. After all, you've done so for other fighters for less.

[zY|]

You don't even know shit about the WCL.

"The World Combat League (WCL) was a full contact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_contact_sport), team-based kickboxing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickboxing) promotion. It was founded by movie star and martial artist Chuck Norris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris)."

What else does one need to know?

[edman5555]

Ah chuck Norris. I see what he has been up to

[MMA_scientist]

I will not be surprised if Mills ends Rory's night early. That dude has a killer instinct but Rory is the rightful fav with his wrestling.

Really? Rory has just humiliated everyone he has fought except WW Champion Condit, who he only dominated for 2 rounds. Rory is a beast. I really don't think Che has anything for him.

[mike]

i think Rory only has the wrestling (and ground game) advantage. Che has the striking advantage with probably average tdd. he looks like a physically strong guy though. im impressed with his striking. hes like a boxer puncher; very calculated and precise with his strikes. so i think Rory is not a lock.

[poopoo333]

Tickets bought..gonna be in section 113 lower level seating, was like $325 or so a ticket. Hopefully they are decent seats

[SPX]

Sweet. Congrats. That's a lot for tickets.

[zY|]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/19/2809908/ufc-145-video-rashad-evans-jon-jones-fake#comments

BOL

[SPX]

BOL at those comments.

Good interview with those guys, too. Interesting to see that back and forth.

Goddamn I hope Rashad knocks his ass out.

[Ludo]

Jones looked shook at the end when he was at a loss for words. Clearly what Rashad was saying cut deep.

[Mr. IWS]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/19/2809908/ufc-145-video-rashad-evans-jon-jones-fake#comments

BOL

Negged Jon Jones for wearing a Jeet Kune Doe shirt.

(side note, one of my kids track coaches name is Jon Jones.)

Good shit, thanks for posting.

[poopoo333]

http://www.fightvideomma.com/2012/02/ufc-145-jones-and-evans-on-sportsnite.html <<<<whole vid

[SPX]

Good find.

This rivalry is so interesting because you can tell it's 100% real. Those niggas just plain don't like each other.

[poopoo333]

Sat 4/21

1005 Evans wins inside distance

+642





11:30PM

1006 Not Evans inside distance

-1325





Sat 4/21

1007 Evans wins by 5 round decision

+925





11:30PM

1008 Not Evans by 5 round decision

-1875





Sat 4/21

1009 Jones wins inside distance

-179





11:30PM

1010 Not Jones inside distance

+139





Sat 4/21

1011 Jones wins by 5 round decision

+293





11:30PM

1012 Not Jones by 5 round decision

-413





Sat 4/21

1013 Evans/ Jones draw

+8000





11:30PM

1014 Fight not a draw

-21500

[Mr. IWS]

I would throw 10 bucks on Evans wins 5 round decision.

[poopoo333]

I'm probably going to throw 200 bucks on Jones ITD

[poopoo333]

This is the next PPV, and it's sooo far away

[SPX]

At least we have another Fuel card and Bellator is about to start rolling again.

[poopoo333]

At least we have another Fuel card and Bellator is about to start rolling again.

True, but Bellator requires more research and I don't feel like digging up vids. And the Fuel card is a week before this..so 6 weeks or so!

Is Ben Rothwell going to be embarrassed again? He has looked like shit in all 3 of his fights in the UFC. I think Schaub will probably blast him, but he is chinny

[poopoo333]

I also love Jones ITD @ better than -200

[SPX]

True, but Bellator requires more research and I don't feel like digging up vids.

Well it's a lot better than no MMA at all.


And the Fuel card is a week before this..so 6 weeks or so!

You're just full of complaints are you? I actually don't think it's that bad of a card. G-Stuff/Nog, Sakara/Stann, and Nunes/Siver should all be good.


Is Ben Rothwell going to be embarrassed again? He has looked like shit in all 3 of his fights in the UFC. I think Schaub will probably blast him, but he is chinny

I would think so, but then again, Cain and Hunt have both exceeded expectations so maybe to some extent he has suffered from unfortunate matchmaking.

[poopoo333]

You're just full of complaints are you? I actually don't think it's that bad of a card. G-Stuff/Nog, Sakara/Stann, and Nunes/Siver should all be good.



I think it's a good card too...I wasn't complaining about it. I was just commenting on how far away it is.

[Ludo]

I know it's not much to bet on other than Bellator, but there is plenty of MMA in March. Strictly from a fan perspective it isn't so bad.

LIVE UFC TUF on FX every week
http://mmajunkie.com/event/870/the-ultimate-fighter-15-debut.mma

Bellator 60-63 on MTV2
http://mmajunkie.com/event/887/bellator-60.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/894/bellator-61.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/899/bellator-62.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/900/bellator-63.mma

Cage Warriors Fight Night 4 on MMAJUNKIE.COM
http://mmajunkie.com/event/914/cage-warriors-fight-night-4.mma

TUF Brazil on FUEL
http://mmajunkie.com/event/889/the-ultimate-fighter-brazil-debut.mma

India's Super Fight League streamed free on March 11th

The Score Fighting Series streamed live March 16th
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/3/1/2835517/the-score-fighting-series-fight-card-line-up-march-16-hamilton-tickets

[SPX]

I think it's a good card too...I wasn't complaining about it. I was just commenting on how far away it is.

Aw shit, goddamn it! I just realized the Fuel card is April 14th . . . not March 14th.

GAY!

[SPX]

I know it's not much to bet on other than Bellator, but there is plenty of MMA in March. Strictly from a fan perspective it isn't so bad.

LIVE UFC TUF on FX every week
http://mmajunkie.com/event/870/the-ultimate-fighter-15-debut.mma

Bellator 60-63 on MTV2
http://mmajunkie.com/event/887/bellator-60.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/894/bellator-61.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/899/bellator-62.mma
http://mmajunkie.com/event/900/bellator-63.mma

Cage Warriors Fight Night 4 on MMAJUNKIE.COM
http://mmajunkie.com/event/914/cage-warriors-fight-night-4.mma

TUF Brazil on FUEL
http://mmajunkie.com/event/889/the-ultimate-fighter-brazil-debut.mma

India's Super Fight League streamed free on March 11th

The Score Fighting Series streamed live March 16th
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/3/1/2835517/the-score-fighting-series-fight-card-line-up-march-16-hamilton-tickets


Good info.

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (pay-per-view)

Champ Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans (for light-heavyweight title)
Rory MacDonald vs. Che Mills
Ben Rothwell vs. Brendan Schaub
Mark Hominick vs. Eddie Yagin
Mark Bocek vs. Matt Wiman

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX)

Michael McDonald vs. Miguel Torres
Travis Browne vs. Chad Griggs
Matt Brown vs. Stephen Thompson
John Makdessi vs. Anthony Njokuani

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)*

Mac Danzig vs. Efrain Escudero
Chris Clements vs. Keith Wisniewski
Maximo Blanco vs. Marcus Brimage

[poopoo333]

Hominick/MacDonald/Jones..if that is + odds, that=parlay lock of the year

[jonjonesismylordandsavior]

So anyone else looking at Jones ITD at -190? I wanted to bet it at -180

[poopoo333]

Yeah, I am gonna bet it. So what's up sideloaded?

[Luke]

So anyone else looking at Jones ITD at -190? I wanted to bet it at -180


Good grief. So hows the sbrforum been?

[poopoo333]

Jon Jones ITD is up to -260, gay. Should have grabbed it @-172.

I have a Rory/Hominick/Jones parlay, it is around -150.

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)

Champ Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans (for light-heavyweight title)
Rory MacDonald vs. Che Mills
Ben Rothwell vs. Brendan Schaub
Michael McDonald vs. Miguel Torres
Mark Hominick vs. Eddie Yagin
John Alessio vs. Mark Bocek

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX)

Travis Browne vs. Chad Griggs
Matt Brown vs. Stephen Thompson
John Makdessi vs. Anthony Njokuani

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)*

Mac Danzig vs. Efrain Escudero
Chris Clements vs. Keith Wisniewski
Maximo Blanco vs. Marcus Brimage

[poopoo333]

Really curious to see the rest of the odds. Browne/Griggs, Brown/Thompson, Makdessi/Njokuani, and Danzig/Escudero are all pretty close fights imo.

[SPX]

Jones
McDonald
Schaub
Torres
Hominick
Bocek
Griggs
Thompson
Makdessi
Danzig
?
Blanco

[poopoo333]

Jones
McDonald
Schaub
Torres
Hominick
Bocek
Griggs
Thompson
Makdessi
Danzig
?
Blanco

I pretty much agree...Torres/McDonald is a tough one for me to call though.

Why do you like Griggs over Browne? I think Browne should be slighty favored, but Griggs is tough..he should be the much smaller guy though.

I'm not even going to ask why you like Thompson and Makdessi, karate fag.

[Ludo]

Browne is a tough fight for Griggs for sure. Griggs is going to have to get inside that reach to do anything and Browne fights like he realizes he has a reach advantage(unlike guys like Struve who just can't seem to pop a jab for shit) I'll be betting Matt Brown over Thompson. Don't we have a sig bet on Thompson/Brown, X?

[poopoo333]

Yeah, I think Browne will probably beat Griggs but I won't count Griggs out. Browne is training full time with a good camp though, while Griggs is working as a full time firefighter. It sounds like he hasn't exactly gotten a real training camp or anything in, he mentioned on the MMA hour on monday that a lot of his workouts were cardio workouts when he was at the fire station.

[poopoo333]

I will only bet Brown over Thompson if he is a pretty good sized underdog. Thompson is an unknown karate fag that might have shit cardio, shit grappling ,etc etc.

[SPX]

I pretty much agree...Torres/McDonald is a tough one for me to call though.

Yeah, I basically picked Torres out of respect for how dominant he used to be, the fact that I thought he beat DJ, and that Macdonald didn't look TOO great against Cariaso.



Why do you like Griggs over Browne? I think Browne should be slighty favored, but Griggs is tough..he should be the much smaller guy though.

Basically making an upset pick here. I'm not sure I expect Griggs to win, but he seems to be one of those guys who finds ways to win when he's not really supposed to.



I'm not even going to ask why you like Thompson and Makdessi, karate fag.

I think Makdessi/Njokuani is a coin flip, but I really do expect Thompson to beat Brown. I think it will be a kickboxing match and Thompson is the better kickboxer.

[SPX]

Don't we have a sig bet on Thompson/Brown, X?

I believe that we do, yes.

[BIGDAY]

Love Michael McDonald against Torres. I think Torres will start his decline.

McDonald should be the favorite in my opinion. I also think Rashad will stay out of Jones's clinch work and have a decent shot.

Should be a great card!

[Luke]

Will be on Cuba Gooding

[MMA_scientist]

There are some retarded favorites on this card. Jones is -500? Definitely be taking Rashad there. Rory is -500? Probably justified, but fuck. Hominick is -900? what in the world is going on here. Bocek is -400.

You can bet all of them in a parla for Even money.

Don't see much for the magic parlay here, nothing for 2012 parlay either. Maybe "not Rothwell by submission" will have good odds, . Rothwell has 11 submission wins, but only 2 legit subs, the other 9 are injuries or submission to strikes. Rothwell is probably not going to be able to get the takedown, but he might blast Schaub out.

[poopoo333]

Bocek opened at like -189, and Hominick opened around -350. 5 dimes always is off on the opening lines.

I actually have a parlay on Jones/Rory/Hominick. I will hedge that with Rashad once Rashad gets to +475ish

[MMA_scientist]

I like Rashad at +400.

I bet against Jones pretty much every single fight, it is bound to hit at some point.

[SPX]

There are some retarded favorites on this card. Jones is -500? Definitely be taking Rashad there. Rory is -500? Probably justified, but fuck. Hominick is -900? what in the world is going on here. Bocek is -400.


For real. Hominick's line in particular is just ridiculous.

The only one of those I'd be tempted to bet is Bocek, but no, I'm not betting the guy who got choked out by Mac Danzig at -400.

[SPX]

I like Rashad at +400.

I bet against Jones pretty much every single fight, it is bound to hit at some point.

I feel the same way.

[poopoo333]

I think Jones wins...I hope it's a competitive fight though.

[SPX]

I imagine Jones will win, but it won't last forever.

Eventually Jones's Mike Brown/Shogun/Edgar etc will come along.

[poopoo333]

I'll make that decision after UFC 145...

but seriously, assuming Jones beats Rashad in normal Jones fashion, who do you think will beat Jones in the next 2 years?

I really don't think anybody has a shot at beating Jones, unless Gustafsson somehow molds into a T3D machine with uber striking

[SPX]

Who knows. Maybe Anderson Silva moves up to LHW permanently. Though honestly, I'm not sure that Silva could beat him.

[poopoo333]

I don't see Silva moving up. I'm actually unsure what he does after Chael destroys him

[SPX]

I think that if Chael beats him then either a) the loss gets his competitive spirit going and he throws all his energy into avenging the loss, b) he moves to LHW, or c) retires.

I could see any of the three.

[edman5555]

John Alessio(Boceks opponent) is not that bad. In fact his record is pretty decent. I could see Bocek losing this. That said, I have never seen Alessio fight so I don't know shit. If his ground is weak he is fucked.

Rashad/Jones. This one will be close. Rashad is fast and a good wrestler. He definetly has a good shot against Jones. I expect him to lose though. Jones beat the shit out of so many good fighters.

The rory che mills fight. I don't know much about Che mills but yeah I feel the absurdity with the line. WTF.

Miguel/Mcdonald. I think Mcdonald might have better striking than Miguel. His wrestling might be good enough to keep it standing as well. I wouldn't be suprised to see him win. That said Miguel is still good,especially on the ground.

[poopoo333]

John Alessio(Boceks opponent) is not that bad. In fact his record is pretty decent. I could see Bocek losing this. That said, I have never seen Alessio fight so I don't know shit. If his ground is weak he is fucked.

http://blog.spireglobal.com/files/confused-face.jpg

[SPX]

The only time I remember seeing Alessio fight was when I bet against him in his fight with Luigi Fioravanti. He was getting beaten pretty decisively before putting Mario's brother's lights out with a KO punch.

[MMA_scientist]

Alessio is the guy that got arm barred off the ropes by Galvao isn't he? He really is not that bad, he is a rightful dog, but he is big for LW. He doesn't suck. I think he fought most of his career at WW and MW.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/490.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

Damn, Stephen Thompson's line is fucking gay. Hopefully money will come in on Brown.

I like Griggs at that line.

Just took Danzig at -140.

[poopoo333]

Just took Danzig at -140.

I like..I think Escudero is getting respect because the last 30 seconds of the Volkmann fight.

[SPX]

I like..I think Escudero is getting respect because the last 30 seconds of the Volkmann fight.

I think Escudero is a solid fighter, but Danzig is probably better than he's generally given credit for. He subbed Bocek, beat Stevenson, and fought a really close fight with Wiman. And you can't really fault him for losing to Guida or Jim Miller.

The Neer loss is a little questionable, but then again, Neer is pretty good and would probably also beat Escudero.

[MMA_scientist]

I like Danzig and Brown at those odds.

[SPX]

Brown's gonna lose.

Though I would agree that at those odds it's Brown or nothing.

Wasn't zY talking about Thompson being the dog? BOL.

[tyron spong]

spx why are you such a bleeding vagina and banning me so fast? MMa-scientist going to have another mini melt down if I post here? Bunch of pussies.

[Mr. IWS]

spx why are you such a bleeding vagina and banning me so fast? MMa-scientist going to have another mini melt down if I post here? Bunch of pussies.

http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/3856/you-mad-bro-he-mad-son.jpg

[MMA_scientist]

Bolz. sideloaded you demented stalker, your time has passed, go away. Zewkey is looking for a new troll I think since southbaysurf gave up the game.

[SPX]

Anyone been watching the Primetime for this shit?

[Mr. IWS]

Anyone been watching the Primetime for this shit?

I didnt even realize there was a primetime for it.

inb4negz

[SPX]

I downloaded eps. 1 and 2. Watching episode 1 right now. Pretty interesting stuff about the Jones-Jackson-Rashad triangle as well as the Blackzilian team.

Oh, and fuck Jon Jones.

[MMA_scientist]

Jon Jones doesn't bother me at all. Rashad gets on my nerves way worse.

[Mr. IWS]

Ill be d/l for sure probably saturday afternoon.

[SPX]

Jon Jones doesn't bother me at all. Rashad gets on my nerves way worse.

I actually like Rashad now. I think he's all right now that he's not the cocky dickhead he used to be.

[MMA_scientist]

I liked cocky rashad better, he actually does seem like a bitter little bitch to me now.

[Ludo]

Video of Miguel Torrea being dazed badly in sparring session. For some reason it wouldn't embed properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg4u7ko333U

[SPX]

I liked cocky rashad better, he actually does seem like a bitter little bitch to me now.

Well if his side of the story is accurate, then I feel that he has a right to be. Greg Jackson in particular should be ashamed. It shows that he's willing to sacrifice personal relationships for professional gain.

[SPX]

Video of Miguel Torrea being dazed badly in sparring session. For some reason it wouldn't embed properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg4u7ko333U

Fuckin' dick.

[Mr. IWS]

Fuckin' dick.

LOL, I only clicked it cause you said that.

[MMA_scientist]

I lol'd.

[poopoo333]

Off to Atlanta now, peace fuckers.

[SPX]

Have fun, homie. Rep IWS.

[SPX]

How gay would it be if one of these two fuckers gets injured over the next couple of days and the fight gets cancelled at the last minute?

[MMA_scientist]

It would be pretty gay. I am actually pretty psyched for the card, there are a lot of good fights. But, the Jones/Rashad fight is defintely one of the biggest fights of the year. Sadly, it is really Jones' last real threat for the immediate future. They are going to build Gustaffson or Davis up next, but those guys are going to get wasted. Best we can hope for is a close fight and maybe a rematch.

[SPX]

Machida will make adjustments and come back to re-claim the title.

[Ludo]

I keed I keed::lmao::

[Luke]

NEGGEEEDDDDDDDDDDD LUDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luke]

Jon Jones doesn't bother me at all. Rashad gets on my nerves way worse.


I like Rashad,think he'd be cool to hang out with. Now Jones,he's as fag as fag can be. You can just tell Jones was the tall,skinny,nerd in high school and is now trying to take the role on of a cool jock. The guy is so much of a douche he's almost on Joe Rogan level.

[Mr. IWS]

Off to Atlanta now, peace fuckers.

::thumbup::

[MMA_scientist]

^^ I don't see it that way. I think he was a State champion wrestler in HS and was also a standout football player? Pretty sure he has always been a jock. It doesn't matter though, Rashad is going to take his belt.

No way he is a Rogan level douche. Rogan is almost a Dana level douche.

[SPX]

What the fuck is up with Stephen Thompson's line? I thought I would be able to get him at -170 or so.

[MMA_scientist]

What the fuck is up with Stephen Thompson's line? I thought I would be able to get him at -170 or so.

It is ridiculous. I actually hope he smashes Brown so we can get a good deal against him when he fights someone good. But I need to drop a bet on Brown, because that line is so ridiculous.

[SPX]

He's gonna fucking smash Brown. Ludo will have an interesting sig after this weekend.

[MMA_scientist]

Based on what? What if he has no takedown defense? What if his ground is terrible, which it probably is.

[Ludo]

He's gonna fucking smash Brown. Ludo will have an interesting sig after this weekend.

Brown has spent his entire career beating guys like Thompson with a straight striking background. If this hits the ground Thompson is going to have a hell of a time.

[SPX]

Based on what? What if he has no takedown defense?

Well we know he at least has SOME takedown defense because that ass clown Stitgen attempted to take him down and was unsuccessful. Granted, they weren't very good takedown attempts, but you can only fought who's put in front of you.



What if his ground is terrible, which it probably is.

His brother-in-law is Carlos Machado, who he is studying under, so I have to believe that his ground game will be better than terrible.



Brown has spent his entire career beating guys like Thompson with a straight striking background. If this hits the ground Thompson is going to have a hell of a time.

Brown goes down.

Every single one of Brown's last 4 losses have come by submission too, so I'm not sure why you think he's the guy to give Thompson big problems on the ground.

[MMA_scientist]

Brown is not a very good grappler IMO, but my guess is that Thompson is worse. The fact that Carlos Machado is his in law, and he still doesn't hold a bjj rank, but rather touts his japanese jj rank of bb-- makes me believe he is probably pretty damn lame on the ground. But he is long and flexible, so he probably has a decent guard.

[SPX]

According to what I've read, his rank is in Tetsushin Ryu Jujutsu, which is not traditional Japanese JJ. One summary that I've read:

"Our Jiu-Jitsu art is a combination of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and emphasizes defending against opponents with the use of leverage, off-balancing, redirection, joint manipulating techniques, and submission holds to render an opponent harmless. Jiu-Jitsu teaches self defense orientated techniques and focuses on ground grappling. Jiu-Jitsu also combines effective leg kicks, striking, with throws, and takedowns. Jiu-Jitsu is 20% long range skills, 30% short range skills and 50% ground grappling skills."


skills and 50% ground

[MMA_scientist]

According to what I've read, his rank is in Tetsushin Ryu Jujutsu, which is not traditional Japanese JJ. One summary that I've read:

"Our Jiu-Jitsu art is a combination of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and emphasizes defending against opponents with the use of leverage, off-balancing, redirection, joint manipulating techniques, and submission holds to render an opponent harmless. Jiu-Jitsu teaches self defense orientated techniques and focuses on ground grappling. Jiu-Jitsu also combines effective leg kicks, striking, with throws, and takedowns. Jiu-Jitsu is 20% long range skills, 30% short range skills and 50% ground grappling skills."


skills and 50% ground



yeah... so its crap.

[SPX]

yeah... so its crap.

So BJJ is the only legit form of JJ?

Guerilla JJ . . . that American JJ that Shields does . . . all crap.

[Mr. IWS]

What about 10th planet?

[Ludo]

Well let's look at those four submission losses. Almeida, nothing else needs to be said there. Lytle is an extremely well rounded fighter who always had a very good ground game, in fact he has about seven times as many submission wins as knockout wins. Foster is kind of iffy, but he's well rounded, and Baczuchinni is a bit of a choke specialist, which isn't surprising since he's a wrestler.

Brown isn't a great grappler, but he is a great grinder. We don't know if Thompson has any kind of grappling cardio, and Brown will keep going after those takedowns and make anyone work on the ground.

Japanese Jujutsu is shit. Shields is a Cesar Gracie student who has the same kind of high level wrestling fusion going on that Matt Hughes had.

[MMA_scientist]

So BJJ is the only legit form of JJ?

Guerilla JJ . . . that American JJ that Shields does . . . all crap.

lol, those are bjj. They aren't specific arts, that's just guys that gained their skill under a legit BJJ bb and they are trying to market themselves by calling their specific style something different... if every style was a different art, pretty much every practitioner would be practicing his own art. A better example would be something like GaidoJitsu, in that I don't think Greg Jackson really ever held rank in BJJ. So maybe that is a completely different branch of legit jj. I think Rick Story trains under a JJJ place too.

I didn't say all of them are crap, but pretty much any non BJJ art that claims to be jiu jitsu, jujutsu, jujitsu is crap. There are few semi-legit places in the whole USA, but even at the very best JJJ grappling school in the whole world, you are probably not going to find a higher level grappling than at your neighborhood BJJ place. The fact that he is related to Carlos Machado, and he still hasn't trained in bjj... context clues lead me to believe his grappling is going to be pretty weak. Maybe enough to survive Brown, but nothing that is going to allow him to thrive in the division. That's my guess.

[MMA_scientist]

What about 10th planet?

going to zewkey.

[Svino]

What do people think about Makdessi vs. Njokuani? I was thinking Makdessi might be worth a bet at +170, but he came in a couple pounds overweight...

[Ludo]

What do people think about Makdessi vs. Njokuani? I was thinking Makdessi might be worth a bet at +170, but he came in a couple pounds overweight...

Makdessi is going to have trouble with Njokuani's length and speed I think.

[SPX]

lol, those are bjj. They aren't specific arts, that's just guys that gained their skill under a legit BJJ bb and they are trying to market themselves by calling their specific style something different... if every style was a different art, pretty much every practitioner would be practicing his own art. A better example would be something like GaidoJitsu, in that I don't think Greg Jackson really ever held rank in BJJ. So maybe that is a completely different branch of legit jj. I think Rick Story trains under a JJJ place too.

I didn't say all of them are crap, but pretty much any non BJJ art that claims to be jiu jitsu, jujutsu, jujitsu is crap. There are few semi-legit places in the whole USA, but even at the very best JJJ grappling school in the whole world, you are probably not going to find a higher level grappling than at your neighborhood BJJ place. The fact that he is related to Carlos Machado, and he still hasn't trained in bjj... context clues lead me to believe his grappling is going to be pretty weak. Maybe enough to survive Brown, but nothing that is going to allow him to thrive in the division. That's my guess.

Two things. . .

1. According to what I posted, the shit he holds rank in is "50% BJJ." Maybe it's useless, but neither you nor I know that. What I don't like is someone jumping to conclusions about a martial art that they haven't even taken the time to really investigate. It's arrogant and it reminds me of the many years that karate, TKD etc were "crap" and now, magically, they're not anymore.

2. From what I've read, Thompson IS actively training with Carlos Machado on a regular basis.

[SPX]

Well let's look at those four submission losses. Almeida, nothing else needs to be said there. Lytle is an extremely well rounded fighter who always had a very good ground game, in fact he has about seven times as many submission wins as knockout wins. Foster is kind of iffy, but he's well rounded, and Baczuchinni is a bit of a choke specialist, which isn't surprising since he's a wrestler.

Brown isn't a great grappler, but he is a great grinder. We don't know if Thompson has any kind of grappling cardio, and Brown will keep going after those takedowns and make anyone work on the ground.

Japanese Jujutsu is shit. Shields is a Cesar Gracie student who has the same kind of high level wrestling fusion going on that Matt Hughes had.


I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow.

[SPX]

What do people think about Makdessi vs. Njokuani? I was thinking Makdessi might be worth a bet at +170, but he came in a couple pounds overweight...

I like Makdessi as a dog and just grabbed him at +200. Njokunani is a good-but-not-great fighter who is 2-4 in his last 6. At 2-to-1 or close to it, I think Makdessi is definitely worth a play.

[SPX]

Hey PP, go put your fantasy picks in.

[edman5555]

Hominick looks pretty good to me. Anyone on him?

[zY|]

Where do you gays play fantasy?

[Ludo]

Where do you gays play fantasy?

http://i.qkme.me/354mok.jpg

[SPX]

Hominick looks pretty good to me. Anyone on him?

I have him in a parlay, but no way am I going to take him straight at his line.

[SPX]

Where do you gays play fantasy?

tkofantasy.com

[Ludo]

http://i43.tinypic.com/157ki6s.gif

[Svino]

LOL, that's a good one.

[MMA_scientist]

Post event thoughts:


1. Apparently acheiving a blackbelt in Tetsushin Ryu JuJutsu does not invilve learning how to hip escape, recover guard, or move at all on the ground.

2. I am sad to see Torres get passed up in the division. He was one of my favorite guys to watch, and I fear that he relegated to gatekeeper now.

3. Rory MacDonald is a beast, a total beast. I want to see him fight a pure wrestler (not future champ), but if he does get on top, he just goes straight for the rape. So far, he has only fiught guys that pretty much stay down if taken down. He has proved his submission defense is up to par, he can pass guard, and he has silverback gnp. I want to see how he does against someone who either can't take down, won't stay down, or tries to take him down.

4. I don't know what Rashad didn't try to wrestle a little more. I know he was stuffed when he tried, but it was late in the fight then. I would have liked to see him try to put Jones on his back or wear him down a bit. Hendo is going to get destroyed.

5. I don't undertand how anyone can allow Greg Jackson to train and corner them. I would bust out laughing at that waterfall stuff he was saying to JJ... he is almost as bad as that other homo that used to coach with him. I want that team to lose just because Jackson gets on my nerves a lot.

6. Rogan is a total fuckwad... I am getting to where I really can't stand listening to him. He was slurping all over Hominick for teh entire time that he was getting his ass kicked. He gave the same treatment to Mills. Guy is terrible.