UFC on FX 2, March 3rd

[poopoo333]

Thiago Alves vs. Martin Kampmann
Ian McCall vs. Demetrious Johnson
Joseph Benavidez vs. Yasuhiro Urushitani
Court McGee (http://www.mmafighting.com/fighter/court/mcgee/1543/) vs. Constantinos Philippou (http://www.mmafighting.com/fighter/constantinos/philippou/1781/)
James Te Huna vs. Aaron Rosa
Jake Hecht vs. T.J. Waldburger
Cole Miller vs. Steven Siler
Jared Hamman vs. Kyle Noke
Oli Thompson vs. Shawn Jordan

[Luke]

This event is actually March 2nd

[poopoo333]

This event is actually March 2nd

In Australia?

[Luke]

In Australia?

No here .

[poopoo333]

My bad then...thought I saw it listed as March 3rd earlier today.

Who do you guys like in Alves/Kampmann? close fight

[Luke]

My bad then...thought I saw it listed as March 3rd earlier today.



You didn't get anything wrong .Its been shown live here in the US March 2nd at 10pm ........which is March 3rd in Australia.

Will be a great weekend. This Friday night and Barnett vs Cormier Saturday.

[SPX]

Who do you guys like in Alves/Kampmann? close fight

Gonna be interesting for sure.

I think I lean Kampmann by a tiny margin, though that could just be wishful thinking.

[MMA_scientist]

My bad then...thought I saw it listed as March 3rd earlier today.

Who do you guys like in Alves/Kampmann? close fight

I like Alves. I think he can keep it standing and Kampmann will be over matched in the striking IMO

[poopoo333]

Anthony Perosh vs. Nick Penner Set for UFC on FX 2 (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/1/4/2681819/anthony-perosh-vs-nick-penner-set-for-ufc-on-fx-2)

[edman5555]

I like Alves. I think he can keep it standing and Kampmann will be over matched in the striking IMO

I agree.

[Luke]

Alves hasnt looked good lately. If Kampmann is a decent dog I'll be on him

[edman5555]

I think Alvie's is on track. He didn't do too bad against Rick story. He won the last round, he was starting to turn the tide in that fight

[poopoo333]

Alves hasnt looked good lately. If Kampmann is a decent dog I'll be on him

Yeah, same here. On first thought I figured Alves would stalk Kampmann down and get the better of the striking. But I can see Kampmann holding his own and even getting a few TDs. Alves might get some TDs as well. It's a real even fight. Any decent dog bet would be a good one imo. I am planning on taking the decision prop in this one if it's + odds

[edman5555]

Yeah it's close. Kampmann may have the better grappling. I do think thiago has the power edge standing. I think he may have equal or better technique too. It's tough to say who can out wrestle who. I can't see thiago taking down kampmann. I also don't think kampmann has shown a lot of offensive wrestling but who knows. Super tough to call.

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4852.png

[SPX]

Not touching that shit until someone becomes a decent sized dog.

[Thewisemann]

I would bet Alves at that line.

[AC88]

This is where I wish I had Bookmaker so I could smash that Benavidez line.

[poopoo333]

This is where I wish I had Bookmaker so I could smash that Benavidez line.

I don't see any line for that fight..

[Luke]

This is where I wish I had Bookmaker so I could smash that Benavidez line.


wut?

[AC88]

For WHEN it comes out. LOL.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/487.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

Pretty sure DJ wins that one, but -285 . . . hmm . . . I dunno.

[poopoo333]

Martin Kampmann vs Thiago Alves - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 2 propositions


Sat 3/3

1003 Kampmann/Alves goes 3 round distance

-300





2:00PM

1004 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+220

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (FX)

Thiago Alves vs. Martin Kampmann
Joseph Benavidez vs. Yasuhiro Urushitani (flyweight-tourney semifinal)
Demetrious Johnson vs. Ian McCall (flyweight-tourney semifinal)
Court McGee vs. Constantinos Philippou

PRELIMINARY CARD (FUEL TV)*

Aaron Rosa vs. James Te Huna
Nick Penner vs. Anthony Perosh
Cole Miller vs. Steven Siler
Andrew Craig vs. Kyle Noke
Jake Hecht vs. T.J. Waldburger
Daniel Pineda vs. Mackens Semerzier
Shawn Jordan vs. Oli Thompson

[SPX]

Is Mackens Semerzier's last name REALLY pronounced seh-murr-zerr?

Every time I see that shit I want to say seh-murr-zhee-ay. . .

[Luke]

Jesus,what a horrible card.

[SPX]

Jesus,what a horrible card.

Flyweight tourney, bro! Don't hate. . .

[MMA_scientist]

Why did the UFC counter-program itself and make this the same night as SF? Probably so Dana has an excuse to cut the women... "see, look at the ratings, no one cares." True, but still weird.

[SPX]

I was wondering that myself.

[Luke]

They aren't the same night..............

[SPX]

They aren't the same night..............

So they're not both on March 3?

[Luke]

So they're not both on March 3?

Not in the USA.

UFC on FX 2 is March 3rd ,in Australia, which is March 2nd here. Strikeforce is March 3rd here. UFC on FX 2 will be on Friday and Strikeforce is on Saturday.

[poopoo333]

You didn't get anything wrong .Its been shown live here in the US March 2nd at 10pm ........which is March 3rd in Australia.

Will be a great weekend. This Friday night and Barnett vs Cormier Saturday.

......

[SPX]

Not in the USA.

UFC on FX 2 is March 3rd ,in Australia, which is March 2nd here. Strikeforce is March 3rd here. UFC on FX 2 will be on Friday and Strikeforce is on Saturday.

Well good. I was stressing out over how I was going to have to juggle that shit.

[Luke]

Freaking Christ!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean I already explained this shit once in this thread,on just the page before this one...............both of you negged . Poopoo reeped.

[Ludo]

BOL at the last 7 posts!

[MMA_scientist]

WTF. Time travel is real.

I just got my dates from the thread titles, and since i don't read anything you guys post, I never saw the explanation.

[Luke]

I just got my dates from the thread titles, and since i don't read anything you guys post, I never saw the explanation.

Must be hard living in "mmascientist" world.

[MMA_scientist]

I have everyone in the forum on ignore. So when I come on, I can only see my own posts.

[SPX]

I have everyone in the forum on ignore. So when I come on, I can only see my own posts.

BOL!!!!

[Luke]

I have everyone in the forum on ignore. So when I come on, I can only see my own posts.


::lmao::::lmao::

[Mr. IWS]

WTF. Time travel is real.

I just got my dates from the thread titles, and since i don't read anything you guys post, I never saw the explanation.

LOL

[poopoo333]

Demetrious Johnson, the talented bantamweight that now has the opportunity to be the first flyweight champion in the UFC, has signed a landmark bout agreement with ZUFFA for a ‘sudden death’ round for his fight with Ian McCall at UFC on FX 2. The agreement stipulates that if, after 3 rounds, the judges are undecided on a winner, the fight will go to a 4th round, also called “sudden death.” In a recent interview with TapouT Radio, Mighty Mouse detailed the particulars.

“I don’t know if anybody has said anything about it, and this is the first time I’m mentioning it, is that we (McCall and himself) had to sign for a ‘sudden death’ bout. If it goes to three rounds, and the judges can’t decide who the winner is, then we’ll do a fourth round.”

When asked if this new agreement was specific to his fight, or if it was universal for the entire card, Johnson had this to say,

“I’m assuming that it’s for me and Ian McCall. I can’t say if it’s going to be for Joseph (Benavides) and Yasuhiro (Uru****ani), because I’m not gonna say that the UFC made those guys sign, too. I’m telling you, specifically, that I signed a contract for an extra round on the bout agreement. I’m not gonna say that they did. I’m assuming, in my unprofessional opinion, that they did as well.”

Whether this addendum is designed for the introduction of the flyweight division and accompanying tourney, or if it’s something the UFC is instituting for overseas and domestic cards in general, the concept is a good one. For all those times we, as fans, have said ‘One more round!’, this could be the game changer. Hopefully, we get some clarity on the permanence, or lack thereof, for this new twist.

::wooo::

[SPX]

Sounds interesting, but for some reason I'm not believing it.

[Ludo]

Sounds interesting, but for some reason I'm not believing it.

They did the same thing for the SF heavyweight grand prix.

[SPX]

I just don't get it. Sudden Death rounds makes sense in the two-round TUF format, but how does it make sense in a three-round format?

[MMA_scientist]

makes no sense... in the event that it is scored a draw it will go to a 4th? How often does that happen? Makes sense if it is a split decision up to that point, but there is no way that is what is happening here.

[Ludo]

makes no sense... in the event that it is scored a draw it will go to a 4th? How often does that happen? Makes sense if it is a split decision up to that point, but there is no way that is what is happening here.

It's just a precaution I guess. I'm in favor of it for the tournament format where you absolutely must have a winner.

[edman5555]

If Mcalls striking is decent he might be able to win that. I remember watching MCall fight against some highly touted brazilian guy in Bellator a while back. He was pretty decent. I can't remember the full fight though. If he has decent enough striking he might be able to beat DJ.

[MMA_scientist]

Isn't DJ just going to take him down over and over?

[edman5555]

he wrestled at cuesta college(IAN MCCALL). Blew his knee out and quit. He beat Jussier da Silva. He was the top ranked Nova Unaio Flyweight for a while. Cuesta is a community college near where I used to live. I used to drive by it all the time. DJ was a high school wrestler, a state champ in Washington. Technically Mccall has the higher wrestling Creds. Experience goes to DJ due to being in the ufc but Mcall spent some time in WEC and Tachi. I'll take MCcall at +300 or Mcall by decision. If torres couldn't sub DJ, Mccall probably won't. I don't think MC has big power either. Come to think of it this fight is probably going the distance.

[poopoo333]

Pretty sure 99% of flyweight fights will go the distance.

[Luke]

I just don't get it. Sudden Death rounds makes sense in the two-round TUF format, but how does it make sense in a three-round format?

I like the idea. How many times has rd 1 of a fight been very debatable because neither guy did anything in the rd and the judges "had" to give it to one guy? Then fighter A wins rd 2 and fighter B wins rd 3 and we are stuck with a conversational SD,again. Maybe this will encourage judges score more 10-10 rds when there is not a clear-cut winner of the rd.................or maybe it will be just a waste of time. Who knows?

[SPX]

Pretty sure 99% of flyweight fights will go the distance.

There are some guys who can finish. I think Darrell Montague has finished like 7 opponents in 9 wins.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mwSZ8IhVVY&feature=player_embedded

I really think Alves might be off the juice

[edman5555]

court mcgee Costantinos Philippou line out. I missed Court Mcgee at +130. I will be on Mcgee but I am just hoping for a better line. I think Mcgees takedown ability and size will allow him to put Phillipou on his back. Throw in sub ability and he might be able to get a finish. Nick catone outwrestled phill for three rounds IIRC. Also Rivera threw in some wrestling to beat him on the cards. CP is a very good boxer but Mcgee seems to have a sturdy chin. Supposedly he also has "karate matches" according to wikipedia.

[SPX]

I definitely like Philippou in that one. McGee really hasn't impressed me that much and Philippou straight decimated Hamman.

[edman5555]

Really? Damn. I figure Court is big and strong enough to put him on his back. He also has a karate background and a few boxing matches. He also has about double to fights Phillipou has.

[edman5555]

knocking out hamman is pretty decent though. That kid seems rubbery. Though he has been knocked out a few times. That said he is also a skinny guy lacking the wrestling or muscle to get the fight to the ground. Phillipou is a very experienced boxer, you have to be either really good on the feet or able to get it down. Hamman had to stand with him and he got lit up. CP did do it quickly though.

[SPX]

McGee looked pretty good against Yang, but Jensen was able to take a round off of him and was winning that fight before he gassed. Maybe McGee can use his grappling to get the fight down and get a sub. I mean, it certainly wouldn't shock me. But if Philippou blasts him then I could see him getting a TKO in the first.

McGee at dog odds would be okay, but now that Phillipou is a dog I think he's the play. The fight could go either way, though. I don't feel strongly about it.

[edman5555]

Yasuhiro Urushitani's line looks insane, his record doesn't look that bad either..Maybe taking him with +3.5 points might be a good idea. What is everyones opinion of Kampmann/Alves. I have to think Alves is better on the feet..Kampmann was getting beat by Diego at the end..he also got ko'd by daley and Marqy marq. Granted they are both good and quite a bit larger. I bet Kampmann could come out with some solid offensive wrestling and give thiago some problems..

[poopoo333]

I think Phillipou should be around -150.

[Luke]

I think Phillipou should be around -150.

Isnt that what he opened at?

[edman5555]

Maybe I am guilty of wishful thinking..it sounds like it. That said, Mcgee is a fav now.

[poopoo333]

Isnt that what he opened at?

Just looked..-170

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/487.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[MMA_scientist]

Does Siler have a path to victory here?

[edman5555]

I am looking at Andrew Craig right now. He looks ok. Eric Schambari outwrestled him pretty well but got dropped standing twice. He had his hands down real low the entire fight(eric schamberi)

[edman5555]

I think Noke is going to be a good bet. Craigs only offense seems to be his striking. I think Noke will have him beat there..He does look like he can hit hard though. Craig is a purple belt in bjj. He started training bjj at 19. Graduated college, began training in MMA. He is now 26 years old. 6 and 0

[poopoo333]

Every fight on the undercard is favored to not go the distance:




Aaron Rosa vs James Te Heuna - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 2 propositions


Sat 3/3

1403 Rosa/Te Huna goes 3 round distance

+220





8:30PM

1404 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-300





Nick Penner vs Anthony Perosh - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 2 propositions


Sat 3/3

1503 Perosh/Penner goes 3 round distance

+180





8:00PM

1504 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-260





Steven Siler vs Cole Miller - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 2 propositions


Sat 3/3

1603 Siler/Miller goes 3 round distance

+200





7:30PM

1604 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-280





Andrew Craig vs Kyle Noke - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 2 propositions


Sat 3/3

1703 Craig/Noke goes 3 round distance

+160





7:00PM

1704 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-210





Jake Hecht vs TJ Waldburger - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 2 propositions


Sat 3/3

1803 Hecht/Waldburger goes 3 round distance

+145





6:30PM

1804 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-185





Mackens Semerzier vs Daniel Pineda - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 2 propositions


Sat 3/3

1903 Semerzier/Pineda goes 3 round distance

+170





6:00PM

1904 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-230

[Mr. IWS]

I saw Alves is up to 197, 3 hours after the weigh ins. Im actually thinking about getting on him now.

[trotterz]

The more I look at it, the more I like Mccall at those odds.

Mighty mouse was beat by Brad Pickett (2 years ago) and arguably lost his fight to Miguel Torres. His wrestling saved him in there, but his wrestling won't save him agains't Mccall. On the other hand, Mccall has been beating everyone in front of him other than Cruz who is simply on another level.
Other than Cruz, his only other defeat is when he got caught in a guillotine by valencia. it's not as if he would have been outpointed by valencia for 3 rounds (while johnson couldn't win one single round against Pickett).

The comparison is not really accurate since we are comparing deferent opponents, but if you take a look at it,
here is Jonshon's previous opponents

Lose cruz
Win Torres( IMO lost that fight)
Win Yamamoto ( who is 1-5 in his last 7 fights)
Win Page ( who is 2-3 in his last 5 fights)
Win Pace ( who is 1-3 in his last 4 fights)
Lose Pickett

I am not saying that Mccall has been facing better competition, I just think that Johnson is beeing overvalued. Probably because that Mccall is not well known by casual fighters


Other than that,
What are your thoughts on Waldburger/Hecht

[poopoo333]

Also, Page was beating BJ handily before the choke.

I like Waldburger, he is awesome to watch. But I am not sure if he will be able to get Hecht down, or how his striking matches up

[SPX]

If I remember correctly, I don't think Page was winning that fight even before DJ got the sub.

[trotterz]

As for Mccall here are his last opponents since the Cruz loss

montague (9-2 with one of his lost to Mccall)
ortiz (8-1 his lonely loss is to Mccall)
da silva (12-1 his lonely loss is to Mccall and he was beeing known as the #1 flyweight before his loss to Mccall)
Willingham (16-15)

all of those guys are not well known since they have been fighting on regional shows, but it doesn,t mean that they are not good competition.

[edman5555]

I was having the same thoughts about Mcall. Another thing to consider. 5dimes will probably offer Mcall +3.5 points as well. Maybe. That would be a solid bet and it would most likely be at + numbers.

[trotterz]

Could you explain the 3.5?

[SPX]

all of those guys are not well known since they have been fighting on regional shows, but it doesn,t mean that they are not good competition.

Da Silva was actually a Shooto Brazil champ, which I would consider to be a step up from a regional show.

[Ludo]

Also, Page was beating BJ handily before the choke.

Page wasn't winning the fight. He won the first round but spent over 60% of the second round on his back getting punched in the face from guard and side control and side backmount. Round 3 was pretty much a demolition up to the choke. Damacio got dropped by strikes, then was getting worked from guard and side control, and as soon as he tried to get up DJ locked up that front choke and drove him back down with it before tapping him.

[Ludo]

Could you explain the 3.5?

It's essentially a point spread for fighting. If the fight goes to decision and the you picked the fighter with +3.5 he can lose the fight and your bet will win if he covers the spread. For instance if the scores on all three cards are 29-28 for the fighter you didn't bet on then you've won because the point differential is only 3 points. But if he loses 30-27, 29-28, 29-28 you lost your bet because it's more than 3.5 points. If the fighter you picked on points wins inside the distance you win that way as well.

Say the lines are

Fighter A: -3.5 at -170
Fighter B: +3.5 at +140

you bet Fighter B. The fight goes all three rounds and the judges have it 29-28, 29-28, and 29-28 all for fighter A, you win the bet because it's under 3.5 points across the scorecards.

[Svino]

I've decided not to place prefight bets on fights that I can bet live, so here are my thoughts on the main card fights:

Philippou vs. Mcgee: Mcgee should be able to win with wrestling, but if he's having a lot of trouble with takedowns early, there may be a window for good betting on Philippou. Also, this fight may be more likely to go the distance than it's being given credit for.

I think the odds on both the midgetweight fights are a little too steep in the directions of the favorites. Watch for any signs of life at all from the dogs, especially if they are winning the FM-style strike count.

I think both Kampmann and Alves are a little overrated as strikers, but I think Alves is over 60% to take this. I will take him as long as he doesn't look like crap early.



(Also, a notice: I missed the Noke / Craig fight in my line listings for the torunament. So that is up now if you want to bet it.)

[trotterz]

It's essentially a point spread for fighting. If the fight goes to decision and the you picked the fighter with +3.5 he can lose the fight and your bet will win if he covers the spread. For instance if the scores on all three cards are 29-28 for the fighter you didn't bet on then you've won because the point differential is only 3 points. But if he loses 30-27, 29-28, 29-28 you lost your bet because it's more than 3.5 points. If the fighter you picked on points wins inside the distance you win that way as well.

Say the lines are

Fighter A: -3.5 at -170
Fighter B: +3.5 at +140

you bet Fighter B. The fight goes all three rounds and the judges have it 29-28, 29-28, and 29-28 all for fighter A, you win the bet because it's under 3.5 points across the scorecards.

Ok so just to be sure that I understand clearly. If I bet McCall +3.5

it means that if McCall win by anyway he wants, I win,
and if Johnson wins by 29/28 29/28 29/28 or less, I still win?

[Ludo]

Ok so just to be sure that I understand clearly. If I bet McCall +3.5

it means that if McCall win by anyway he wants, I win,
and if Johnson wins by 29/28 29/28 29/28 or less, I still win?

Correct. Your basically betting that McCall in that situation can win at least one round on all cards.

[poopoo333]

Page wasn't winning the fight. He won the first round but spent over 60% of the second round on his back getting punched in the face from guard and side control and side backmount. Round 3 was pretty much a demolition up to the choke. Damacio got dropped by strikes, then was getting worked from guard and side control, and as soon as he tried to get up DJ locked up that front choke and drove him back down with it before tapping him.

My bad then...I think DJ getting taken down a lot in R1 is stuck in my head then. I remember Page slowing down and getting choked out though

[edman5555]

mcall +2.5 is -240 or so. Not a very good bet. Mcall by decision is +600

[Ludo]

My bad then...I think DJ getting taken down a lot in R1 is stuck in my head then. I remember Page slowing down and getting choked out though

It's cool. Yeah he was getting taken down pretty much whenever Page wanted it in the first round. The Pickett fight was bad, all those head throws and immediate side control positions.

[SPX]

In case no one heard me before, this is a fucking TERRIBLE card for betting.

[edman5555]

hoyl shit i didnt realize this was tonight.

[SPX]

Get with the program, mofo.

[Luke]

hoyl shit i didnt realize this was tonight.


We went over this..................several times.

[edman5555]

yes and i failed

[Luke]

yes and i failed

Bol::lmao::

[SPX]

BOL. So according to the post-event press conference, shit got fucked up and McCall-Johnson was actually scored a draw.

So there should've been another round.

So those of us on the decision prop got screwed.

[Svino]

BOL. So according to the post-event press conference, shit got fucked up and McCall-Johnson was actually scored a draw.

So there should've been another round.

So those of us on the decision prop got screwed.

What!? So does that mean it's going to be a NC? Did they actually manage to have an unresolved fight in a system where they specifically put a tiebreak round in place to stop draws?

[poopoo333]

ya..here is an article

Dana White Says Demetrious Johnson Vs. Ian McCall Was A Draw, Commission Botched Scores (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/3/3/2841104/dana-white-says-demetrious-johnson-vs-ian-mccall-was-a-draw)

[Svino]

That's hilarious.

And I was mocking Bookmaker for putting up a live line for the draw when it seemed literally impossible for the fight to be a draw under the rules! And the fight was a draw anyway! Unbelievable.

[SPX]

Shit's fucking crazy. I laugh, while also feeling sick.

[Svino]

I hope BM doesn't try to reverse my bets; that would really suck. I bet a combination of Johnson, Johnson-by-decision, and McCall-by-decision.

[SPX]

I'm sure they won't. Don't they always go by the initial ruling?

[poopoo333]

Bookmaker counted that fight as a push. I didn't get my $ back though..contacted live help. the reason was because it was a free play on my part...hopefully they give me the 0.5u i put down back in my free play side

[poopoo333]

Kim: That is because as per the rules pushes with freeplays are loses

Kim can go fuck herself.

[Svino]

Hmm. I was paid for my live bets that I put on Johnson. If they really did treat the prefight bets as a push, I may have to change the contest results...

[SPX]

If they really did treat the prefight bets as a push, I may have to change the contest results...

So what Bookmaker chooses to do has some bearing on the contest?

[poopoo333]

Well the fight WAS a draw....doesn't really matter what bookmaker does.

[Svino]

So what Bookmaker chooses to do has some bearing on the contest?

Well. I'm trying to score the fights "as sportsbooks score them". And I've been using BookMaker for the lines...

(edit: I think there was a NC earlier that I let stand because the books paid out for one side.)

[SPX]

Well the scores have been tallied. But if the fight is a draw it's a draw.

[Svino]

I hope BM doesn't try to reverse my bets; that would really suck. I bet a combination of Johnson, Johnson-by-decision, and McCall-by-decision.

Dammit. They reversed my live DJ bets this morning. ::thumbdown::

[Vandelay]

5d refunded their bets too. whew.

[SPX]

This shit's the clusterfuckiest clusterfuck in all of clusterfuckdom.

[Luke]

Refunding was the wrong decision. Can't believe they did it .

And what kind of circus can't even read a decision correctly?

[SPX]

So they're having a rematch.

I bet we don't get McCall at +275 the second time around.

[SPX]

Post-fight press conference from last night. . .

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/3/2/2841047/ufc-on-fx-2-post-fight-press-conference-full-video-for-alves-vs

[Svino]

Refunding was the wrong decision. Can't believe they did it .

And what kind of circus can't even read a decision correctly?

And even if they didn't, why wasn't D'Amato banging on the cage door screaming, "That's not how I scored it, you fuckers!"

It should have been cleared up then and there.

[Ludo]

And even if they didn't, why wasn't D'Amato banging on the cage door screaming, "That's not how I scored it, you fuckers!"

It should have been cleared up then and there.

Apparently it wasn't D'Amato's score that was written incorrectly either. It seems two judges both scored it a draw and those scores weren't recorded properly. I guess the commission over there doesn't let the judges write their own shit down, they have to tell someone sent by the Commission to handle this shit what they scored a round and for whom, and that guy apparently didn't record the scores as the judges had intended.

[Luke]

Apparently it wasn't D'Amato's score that was written incorrectly either. It seems two judges both scored it a draw and those scores weren't recorded properly. I guess the commission over there doesn't let the judges write their own shit down, they have to tell someone sent by the Commission to handle this shit what they scored a round and for whom, and that guy apparently didn't record the scores as the judges had intended.

You need to watch the post event press conference because that is not what happened.

[Luke]

And even if they didn't, why wasn't D'Amato banging on the cage door screaming, "That's not how I scored it, you fuckers!"

It should have been cleared up then and there.

Maybe he isn't able to add either lol

[SPX]

And even if they didn't, why wasn't D'Amato banging on the cage door screaming, "That's not how I scored it, you fuckers!"

It should have been cleared up then and there.

Yeah. Seconded. I don't get it. They should have a system in place for situations just such as this. In fact, the final scores should be double-checked by the judges before the announcement is made.

[SPX]

From the press conference. . .

Reporter: Will Australia see big cards again?

Dana: Was this not a big card? Are we doing this shit again?

Reporter: No no no no. . . Don't get me wrong. I loved every fight. But these aren't the hugest names in the UFC. That's all.

Dana: . . . This card was awesome. I mean, the thing that I always say when people start talking crazy shit about fights is that we've been doing this for 11 years. And when you take all the shows we've put on for 11 years you can count on one hand how many shows have sucked. In 11 years. On one hand. And number one would be UFC 34 . . . or 33 . . . whichever one we did in Vegas that time that was our very first pay-per-view. That was the shittiest card of all time from top to bottom. I almost killed myself after that card. . . I mean, I don't know what you guys want, if you want heads to fly off into the seventh row. I don't know what else we have to do for you guys to understand that we're bringing big good cards here. Start blowing guys up? I don't know. . .

BOL.

[Svino]

Silva replaces injured Nogueira, faces Gustaffson at UFC on FUEL TV 2

http://mmajunkie.com/news/27744/silva-replaces-injured-nogueira-faces-gustafsson-at-ufc-on-fuel-tv-2.mma

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Silva replaces injured Nogueira, faces Gustaffson at UFC on FUEL TV 2

http://mmajunkie.com/news/27744/silva-replaces-injured-nogueira-faces-gustafsson-at-ufc-on-fuel-tv-2.mma

Better fight imo...I don't think Lil Nog would have even went for a TD. It will be interesting if D1 Silva comes out like he did against Vera.

[SPX]

That's an interesting fight. Thiago hits pretty fucking hard.

[Ludo]

Look for Gustaffson's line to skyrocket into "gay" territory.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Thiago's edge is on the ground there. He will get picked apart with Gustaff's range IMO. Silva is an underrated grappler.

[Ludo]

But by the same token we've seen guys with better takedowns get stuffed by Gustaffson.

[MMA_scientist]

yeah, I think Gustaffson will win.

[Ludo]

Gustaffson just uses distance very well, which sort of counteracts that bulldozing style of takedown Thiago likes to employ. Alex will be content to circle around the outside and snipe, and then blitz if he has the guy hurt. Silva is going to have to get inside to get a takedown, and I'm just not sure he can do it.

[MMA_scientist]

Agreed. Also, Thiago has excellent sweeps and control, but he is not a strong submission finisher. Gustaffson can probably survive. I am just thinking about Silva vs. Machida.