UFC on Fox 3, May 5th

[poopoo333]

Diaz vs. Miller set as UFC on FOX 3 main event; Barry vs. Johnson added to card (http://mmajunkie.com/news/27242/diaz-vs-miller-set-as-ufc-on-fox-3-main-event-barry-vs-johnson-added-to-card.mma)

[poopoo333]

Dennis Hallman vs Tony Ferguson

John Dodson vs Darren Uyenoyama

[poopoo333]

Kos/hendricks

[Luke]

Kos/hendricks

Would prefer that be the main event instead of Miller-Diaz

[Vandelay]

Ill be taking Hendricks. Hopefully as the dog.

[poopoo333]

^^same.

[mike]

me too

[SPX]

Me 3.

[poopoo333]

Palhares/Belcher


Pretty stacked main card

[edman5555]

Palhares fight should be awesome. I like miller off the bat

[MMA_scientist]

I would really like to see Belcher send Palhares back down the ladder... but hopefully he already has his knee reconstruction planned. Someone needs to put a beating on Palhares, don't know that Belcher is the guy though.

[MMA_scientist]

Just now saw that they gave Future Champ a fight with Koscheck. Good fight, Hendricks is getting no breaks man. He has basically had to fight every wrestler in the division. He already beat Fitch, I don't see why he has to take a step backwards. I would have preferred to see Hendricks fight Ellenberger/Sanchez.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/5127.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

Half a unit on Hendricks at +125. Might throw another half-unit if his line improves.

[poopoo333]

Probably going to throw 3-4u on him, I wanna see the way his line moves first. Don't want to end up waiting and betting him as a favorite.

[mike]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/5127.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

thx, i put 2u on him.

[MMA_scientist]

Dont see why hendricks is a dog. I think line will stay close to even, or hendricks move to slight favorite.

[Luke]

You guys are acting like its a foregone conclusion Hendricks will win. I know Koscheck barely beat Pierce but........what for it :


Hendricks barely beat him too.

[edman5555]

yeah koscheck didn't look very motivated for that fight either. This one is kind of a big one. The winner may get a shot at Condit.

[poopoo333]

UFC On Fox 3: Dana White Says Diaz Vs. Miller Winner Gets Title Shot (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/3/6/2849310/ufc-on-fox-3-dana-white-miller-vs-diaz-winner-title-shot-mma-news)

[SPX]

BOL. Dana's such a liar.

[poopoo333]

Hendricks is @ even money now on bookmaker...he is probably gonna end up sticking around -110 to -120 everywhere soon

[MMA_scientist]

^ that is my thought.

I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that Hendricks wins, by any means. I think it is a close fight, I just don't see why Kos would be favored. Hendricks has a better record, fewer losses, no "bad" losses (only one of them has been knocked out cold by Paulo Thiago and Drew Fickett), and he has beaten better opposition overall IMO (only one of them has KO'd the #2 WW). I just think there is a slight edge to Hendricks in that he is on the up swing, looking better everytime, and Kos was getting tagged by Matt Hughes for a while.

[Luke]

BOL. Dana's such a liar.


I'm shocked. Would never think he'd do such a thing.

[poopoo333]

I originally thought Miller would be a good bet against Diaz...but didn't think about if being a 5 round fight. I can definitely see Diaz running away with the fight in a 5 rounder, Miller was pretty tired against Bocek IIRC.

[poopoo333]

Nate Diaz vs Jim Miller - 5 rounds - UFC on Fox 3 propositions


Sat 5/5

1003 Diaz/Miller goes 5 round distance

-185





11:30PM

1004 Fight won’t go 5 round distance

+145





Johny Hendricks vs Josh Koscheck - 3 rounds - UFC on Fox 3 propositions


Sat 5/5

1103 Hendricks/Koscheck goes 3 round distance

-205





10:30PM

1104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance

+165





Lavar Johnson vs Pat Barry - 3 rounds - UFC on Fox 3 propositions


Sat 5/5

1303 Johnson/Barry goes 3 round distance

+220





9:30PM

1304 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-300

[poopoo333]

All in on Barry/Johnson not going the distance

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (FOX)

Nate Diaz vs. Jim Miller
Johny Hendricks vs. Josh Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar Palhares
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson

PRELIMINARY CARD (FUEL TV)

Tony Ferguson vs. Thiago Tavares
John Dodson vs. Darren Uyenoyama
John Hathaway vs. Pascal Krauss
Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker
Danny Castillo vs. John Cholish
Dennis Bermudez vs. Pablo Garza
Johnny Bedford vs. Nick Denis
Mike Massenzio vs. Karlos Vemola

[poopoo333]

Right now I have 2u on Hendricks.

I am coming around on Diaz in this fight, mainly because it is a 5 rounder.. would like to get him @+200 or better

Belcher/Palhares..IDK LOL

Barry/Johnson..Barry by sub

as for prelims...I don't see shit. Probably Massenzio over Vemola, Vemola has the cardio of Jared the Subway guy when he was fat.

[MMA_scientist]

I really think Diaz/Miller could go either way. Diaz has better standup, the ground is probably even, but Miller will be on top most likely.

Nate recently got his BB BTW.

[SPX]

Diaz/Miller is hard to call, I think, though I just kind of assume that Miller will find a way to win because that's what he does. Though I will play Diaz as a dog.

I also like Hendricks and Belcher as dogs, and maybe even Levar Johnson. The way he put the Mexecutioner away was impressive, though Barry is far more technically skilled than Beltran is.

I'm thinking Dodson will probably beat Uyenoyama as well.

[poopoo333]

I'm thinking Dodson will probably beat Uyenoyama as well.

Not happening

Tim Elliott replaces Darren Uyenoyama, meets John Dodson at UFC on FOX 3 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/28285/tim-elliott-replaces-darren-uyenoyama-meets-john-dodson-at-ufc-on-fox-3.mma)

[SPX]

Hmm. Well I don't know shit about Tim Elliot.

[Mr. IWS]

Dam! I thought Osi was gonna do werk NY giants style.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/496.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

Not sure if Belcher should be that big of a dog.....

[SPX]

I don't think so. I just dropped enough on him to win a unit.

[poopoo333]

Hendricks now the favorite in some places.

[poopoo333]

I kind of think Belcher is going to beat Palhares..thinking about putting a decent sized bet on him. It's either Palhares in round 1 or Belcher

[SPX]

I hope so. I really like Belcher and don't have much love for Palhares, so war The Talent!

[MMA_scientist]

Palhares is going to beat him. Just telling it like it is.

[Luke]

How exactly is Belcher going to win?

[edman5555]

keep it standing and outstrike palhares. Palhares striking isn't very good. I am pretty much positive that belcher has better striking. He also has pretty decent jiu jitsu and wrestling. I don't see why he can't win this one.

[MMA_scientist]

Just don't know why Belcher should be able to keep it standing... Palhares has not failed yet to get a fight to the mat. Only Hendo was able to sprawl and brawl on him for most of the fight, but Palhares did get a few TD's. I agree Belcher has a path to victory though, I just don't think he will be able to navigate it. I see him getting hobbled like everyone else.

[SPX]

Everyone but Marquardt.

[ctm0808]

Belcher really seems like the type to explode out of Palhares' takedown attempts and try to sprawl 'n brawl, but he's no Dan Henderson. I think he gets caught in round 1 or 2.

Barry and Hendricks feel like great plays for this card.

[poopoo333]

How exactly is Belcher going to win?

http://i44.tinypic.com/20sya8o.jpg

^^^exactly

[poopoo333]

Let's pick and stuff


MAIN CARD (FOX)

Nate Diaz vs. Jim Miller
Johny Hendricks vs. Josh Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar Palhares
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson

PRELIMINARY CARD (FUEL TV)

Tony Ferguson vs. Michael Johnson
John Dodson vs. Tim Elliott
John Hathaway vs. Pascal Krauss
Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker
Danny Castillo vs. John Cholish
Dennis Bermudez vs. Pablo Garza
Roland Delorme vs. Nick Denis
Mike Massenzio vs. Karlos Vemola


Yeah I had to leave some of them blank...who are those guys?

[MMA_scientist]

[QUOTE=poopoo333;338806]Let's pick and stuff


MAIN CARD (FOX)

Nate Diaz vs. Jim Miller
Johny Hendricks vs. Josh Koscheck
Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar Palhares
Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson

PRELIMINARY CARD (FUEL TV)
[LIST]
Tony Ferguson vs. Michael Johnson
John Dodson vs. Tim Elliott
John Hathaway vs. Pascal Krauss
Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker
Danny Castillo vs. John Cholish
Dennis Bermudez vs. Pablo Garza
Roland Delorme vs. Nick Denis
Mike Massenzio vs. Karlos Vemola

[Luke]

http://i44.tinypic.com/20sya8o.jpg

^^^exactly

Negged.......just negged!

[zY|]

Belcher really seems like the type to explode out of Palhares' takedown attempts and try to sprawl 'n brawl, but he's no Dan Henderson.

My favorite was when Dan exploded out of this attempt.

http://www.mma-core.com/gifs/10000421/throws_slams_Dan_Henderson_vs_Rousimar_Palhares_Do uble_Leg_Takedown_Slam.gif

[sbjj]

I think the green avenger is a better MMA fighter than he was when he fought Hendo.

i kinda like Nates price...like that it is 5 rounds.

And I like Hendricks and Barry.

Real interested in some of the undercard lines.

[poopoo333]

Real interested in some of the undercard lines.

Which ones?

[poopoo333]

full prop bets up for 3 of the 4 fights on 5d

[poopoo333]

Anybody think the Ferguson/Johnson line is off? Not sure why Johnson is +220

[edman5555]

nice takedown on Hendo, I forgot about that. Thanks for posting it. Maybe he will be able to get Belcher down easier than I thought. That said, Belcher is pretty well rounded.

[MMA_scientist]

Anybody think the Ferguson/Johnson line is off? Not sure why Johnson is +220

I think Ferguson will win, but you can make an argument for Johnson having value. Ferguson is going to have better hands IMO, and Johnson is going to try to stand with him. Even if he tries to go down, he probably can't get it there. But yeah, +220 seems a little high to me too

[poopoo333]

Barry is looking fucking ripped



































http://vaughany.mysbrforum.com/photos/l/W_m47K3j.jpg

[SPX]

Doesn't he always get fat in between fights?

[poopoo333]

Doesn't he always get fat in between fights?

He has a fight in like 5 days.

[SPX]

How do you know when the picture was taken?

[poopoo333]

April 28th, he posted it on twitter.

[sbjj]

I was all over Barry when this fight was announced. But i am really starting to think Lavar will pull off the upset.

I just think Barry gets hit to much, and I think that is bad news for him this fight.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/496.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Svino]

Aw crap. The Cagepotato betting preview had me thinking we would be able to get + odds on Hathaway.

These were the odds they listed:

Pascal Krause (-140) vs. John Hathaway (http://www.cagepotato.com/?s=John+Hathaway) (+110)*
John Linker (-150) vs. Louis Gaudinot (http://www.cagepotato.com/?s=Louis+Gaudinot) (+120)*
John Cholish (-130) vs. Danny Castillo (http://www.cagepotato.com/?s=Danny+Castillo) (EV)*
Roland Delorme (-130) vs. Nick Denis (EV)*
Mike Massenzio (-185) vs. Karlos Vemola (+145)*

[poopoo333]

^^They thought Denis would be EV? The fuck?

I like Dodson, Denis, Massenzio, and Cholish. I also like Krauss +200

[MMA_scientist]

Why do you guys like Hathaway? I actually think Krauss is a bad matchup for him. Hathaway's big advantage is that he can stuff takedowns, but Krauss is supposed to be a decent boxer.

I do like Cholish as a fighter, Castillo is a massive step up for him. At + odds, I will probably still bet it.

[poopoo333]

I don't like Hathaway, but his sister Anne is hot.

And yeah, I really think Cholish gets it done against Castillo.

[Luke]

I don't like Hathaway, but his sister Anne is hot.

And yeah, I really think Cholish gets it done against Castillo.

Anne is bad ass

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr113/spike_grg/anne-hathaway.jpg

[Luke]

“Should Diaz win, Diaz is definitely getting a title shot,” White flatly said. “Should Miller win, Miller’s probably gonna be a fight or two away.”

Statements like these are beyond stupid.

[SPX]

Anne is bad ass

I liked her in Rachel Getting Married.

[SPX]

Statements like these are beyond stupid.

Well Miller DID get his ass beat down by the champ just the fight before last. Does it really make sense for him to fight Bendo again because he beats Nate?

[Luke]

Well Miller DID get his ass beat down by the champ just the fight before last. Does it really make sense for him to fight Bendo again because he beats Nate?

Then why does it make sense for Nate to get a title shot,for beating Miller?

[SPX]

Then why does it make sense for Nate to get a title shot,for beating Miller?

Nate would at least be 3-0 then, with two high quality wins, and he has not yet fought the champ.

[MMA_scientist]

Nate should have to fight Pettis IMO.

[Ludo]

Nate should have to fight Pettis IMO.

Pettis is out for a while because of surgery.

[poopoo333]

Pettis is out for a while because of surgery.

I saw him in an elevator at UFC 145, he looked fine. He is ducking the LW division imo

[Mr. IWS]

I saw him at the airport, he looked fine. He is ducking the LW division imo

fixed

[Thewisemann]

It makes sense for Diaz to get a shot. Miller too only if Edgar wins. Diaz would have 3 wins in a row, and beating Miller in a main event on fox is a high quality win for sure. Plus Diaz isn't in any boring fights unless he's getting humped.

[Thewisemann]

Considering plays on Diaz, Hendricks and Palhares. Thing is I would have to make a deposit so I'm debating.

[poopoo333]

^^where the hell have you been?!?!

[poopoo333]

Vemola before his upcoming debut @ 185: http://sirchadwick1.mysbrforum.com/photos/l/gs3KT14I.jpg

Recent pic for his upcoming 185 debut:

http://sirchadwick1.mysbrforum.com/photos/l/vr2xk443.jpg

[SPX]

Very interesting, tangible evidence of what some fat loss can due to your physique. He went from being firm and muscular, but not overly defined, to fucking ripped.

[Ludo]

I saw him in an elevator at UFC 145, he looked fine. He is ducking the LW division imo

Didn't look like there was anything wrong with GSP when he was cornering Rory that night, he must be faking it.

[Thewisemann]

^^where the hell have you been?!?!

I cashed out then lost the rest of my roll on Rampage. Lack of UFC action plus been real busy. I'm gonna throw a couple units in soon though I'm getting motivated again.

[poopoo333]

Didn't look like there was anything wrong with GSP when he was cornering Rory that night, he must be faking it.

I didn't see the broadcast, but did he look bigger to you on the TV? In person, from the distance I was at, he looked pretty large. At least 200 lbs, maybe a bit more.

[Ludo]

I didn't see the broadcast, but did he look bigger to you on the TV? In person, from the distance I was at, he looked pretty large. At least 200 lbs, maybe a bit more.

He did look pretty big, but I wasn't surprised by how he looked if that's what you mean. He's always pretty big for a guy who fights at 170lbs.

[SPX]

Big but . . . always seems kind of on the thin side to me. I guess it's his build, I dunno.

[poopoo333]

FOTN Gaudinot/Lineker SOTN Diaz KOTN Lavar - 65K to each.

[poopoo333]

Dana says Diaz will wait for the title shot. He had the option to fight Pettis first if he wanted to stay busy but it was never mandated.

Nice. I think Bendo would beat Diaz easier than Frankie would

[Vandelay]

Post event thoughts...

-Wow was diaz impressive. Showed some defensive wrestling, worked miller over standing, finished a guy I didn't really think could be finished (especially by diaz), just an overall great performance.

- Hendricks looked bad yesterday. His striking was sloppy, his scrambling ability and/or ability to get off his back is bad, and I thought he probably should have lost the fight. He lost the first, won second, and I would have scored the third a draw. Supposedly he had mono and bronchitis a couple weeks ago so mayb that explains his poor performance.

- Palhares is weird. Showed almost no defensive concern off his back, no urgency once he got cracked, his guard wasn't as good as an elite level bb should be.

- Johnson has become adept at walking his opponent down and pinning him along the fence. He is god awful on the ground tho.

[SPX]

- Hendricks looked bad yesterday. His striking was sloppy, his scrambling ability and/or ability to get off his back is bad, and I thought he probably should have lost the fight. He lost the first, won second, and I would have scored the third a draw.

I had money on Hendricks, but really thought Kos won the first and third clearly.

[SPX]

What REALLY needs to be said here:

Alan Fucking Belcher!!!

[Svino]

When Hendricks and Pierce fought, their wrestling mostly canceled and they fought a close striking match that ended in a split decision, but could have gone either way.

When Koscheck and Pierce fought, their wrestling mostly canceled and they fought a close striking match that ended in a split decision, but could have gone either way.

And in what should have been a surprise to no-one:

When Hendricks and Koscheck fought, their wrestling mostly canceled and they fought a close striking match that ended in a split decision, but could have gone either way.

I don't think I've ever seen three fighters signal, "We're nearly interchangeable." in such a clear way. If there's any other take-away message from this, it's that Hendricks has the potential to be a little overrated now and Pierce underrated, but we'll have to see what their future odds look like.

Also, I've decided that Rogan and Goldie are a live-bettor's best friend. When they call a round wrong, it clearly influences the bettors, resulting in some insanely profitable live odds. This happened with Diaz / Condit and again with Koscheck / Hendricks last night. Hendricks was up to +600 at the end (albeit extremely briefly).

[zY|]

What REALLY needs to be said here:

Alan Fucking Belcher!!!

Agreed. All the discussion is centered around Palhares chin or his porous guard, when in all actuality, Belcher took Palhares' best, played his game, then instead of standing up and running away when he had the chance, jumped in his guard and beat his fucking brains into the mat.

Awesome.

[Svino]

I'm never too surprised when a bjj black belt is able to defend submissions. What is surprising is that he was able to reach a TKO within about 30 seconds of gaining top position.

[SPX]

Agreed. All the discussion is centered around Palhares chin or his porous guard, when in all actuality, Belcher took Palhares' best, played his game, then instead of standing up and running away when he had the chance, jumped in his guard and beat his fucking brains into the mat.

Awesome.


It was fucking bad ass. I went into that fight really wanting Belcher to win but really expecting him not to. When the fight was stopped, I was like HELL FUCKING YEAH! (Though sad for Luke's bet. . .)

BTW, apparently Belcher has an MMA school right outside of Biloxi. It's been a while since I've really spent any time in MS and I would considering going down there for a few months to train if Belcher actually teaches the classes.

www.alanbelchermmaclub.com

[SPX]

I'm never too surprised when a bjj black belt is able to defend submissions. What is surprising is that he was able to reach a TKO within about 30 seconds of gaining top position.

That shit was pretty awesome. I've noticed that Belcher has a very deliberate method of striking when he's on top. He doesn't just go batshit, but instead picks his punches in a way that the majority actually land on his opponent's face. We saw this in the J-Mac fight, too.

He apparently has a lot of power. He made J-Mac give up due to the sheer force of his punches and elbows. He TKOd Palhares from within guard. He also knocked out Gouveia.

[zY|]

It was fucking bad ass. I went into that fight really wanting Belcher to win but really expecting him not to. When the fight was stopped, I was like HELL FUCKING YEAH! (Though sad for Luke's bet. . .)

BTW, apparently Belcher has an MMA school right outside of Biloxi. It's been a while since I've really spent any time in MS and I would considering going down there for a few months to train if Belcher actually teaches the classes.

www.alanbelchermmaclub.com (http://www.alanbelchermmaclub.com)

Yeah I drove by it the other day. There were a bunch of queers in the window rolling around.

They showed his fight on the news here and him arriving at the airport to fanfare. They even showed the replay 2 or 3 times which I was quite surprised at, given the sheer violence of the finish.

[SPX]

I thought you were in Louisiana now?

[zY|]

Biloxi

[SPX]

I thought you said you used to live in Biloxi but had moved to Louisiana.

[poopoo333]

Biloxi

I think I'd be broke if I lived there.

[MMA_scientist]

post event thoughts:

Great card.

Belcher looked great. He has somehow developed his gnp into a total hulk smash. He was ready, he nearly took Palhares' back off the takedown, had he not stopped to mess around with a submission attempt on the twister, a retarded waste of time that was never going to be finished, he may have gotten to the back. As soon as he lost that, he spent the rest of the time defending, until Palhares went to his guard and just laid there. I d on't know if he gassed out or what, but he didn't control the posture, and that's what happens. Anyway, Belcher did great. I don't like Palhares at all, so I was glad to see it. Although, Belcher is kind of douche any time I hear him talk, and his tattoo is so ridiculous that there is no way he can continue to win, it was still good to see.

I gave rounds 1 and 3 to Koscheck, though I don't think it was a total robbery. Any future champ is about to become current champ, so I expect you guys to eat some shit and worship my predictive powers when it happens.

Diaz is a stud now. I really think he could give Bendo some problems over 5 rounds. It would be really damn funny if Diaz became champ. I officially think Nate is better than Nick now.

Check out the grappling on Pat Barry. I appreciated that he tried to change his strategy and actually win the fight... but then he decided not to, and let him up so he could get knocked out.

[edman5555]

Yeah he also gave up full mount too. Wierd.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah he also gave up full mount too. Wierd.

Yeah, that was really dumb IMO. I think he thought he would get a crucifix and pound him out, and a lot of guys are more comfortable in side than mount, especially short legged kickboxers who probably can't take the back if it is offered. Still, he should have just brought hell from mount. Johnson wasn't going anywhere.

[edman5555]

Originally I thought Pat would kill him on the feet then I saw what the size difference was. I see why pat got beat.

[SPX]

Originally I thought Pat would kill him on the feet then I saw what the size difference was. I see why pat got beat.

Yes. Johnson is fucking huge and Barry is a tiny HW.

[MMA_scientist]

They list Barry as 5'11"- but I seriously doubt that is accurate. He looks a few inches shorter than that to me.

[poopoo333]

http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/ufc-on-fox-3-in-progress-betting-review/

Svino, you will find this interesting.

[poopoo333]

The beard is gone.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/538784_356519854411215_257511507645384_985318_3522 96189_n.jpg

[poopoo333]

After UFC on FOX: Diaz vs. Miller, it’s been rumored Carlos Condit will defend his UFC welterweight interim belt against Johny Hendricks

...

[MMA_scientist]

Hendricks will win. Prophecy will be fulfilled.

[Luke]

Johny should get a title shot after winning two SD's over Pierce and Kos,could easily be 1-2 in his last three

[MMA_scientist]

The guy beats Fitch and Koscheck, the perennial #2 and #3 guys, He is 8-1 in the UFC, he has finished a bunch of guys as well... Condit himself is only 5-1 in the UFC, and IMO Hendricks has beaten better comp in the UFC. What does a guy have to do around here to get some respect?

[SPX]

I thought he lost to Koscheck, personally. I remember SD scored the Hendricks/Pierce fight for Pierce as well. So judging is to blame for this shit.

[Mr. IWS]

What does a guy have to do around here to get some respect?

Grow 6 more inches.

::handshake::

[Ludo]

I thought he lost to Koscheck, personally. I remember SD scored the Hendricks/Pierce fight for Pierce as well. So judging is to blame for this shit.

Which rounds did you give Koscheck?

[poopoo333]

Even though Hendricks landed more according to the stats, I gave Kos rounds 1 and 3 at the time. I bet on Hendricks too

[MMA_scientist]

I gave teh fight to Kosheck too, rounds 1 and 3. Hendricks won the "fight" if it was scored as a whole, but I would have given rounds 1 and 3 to Koscheck, even if he did poke Hendricks in the eye in order to get round 1. BUt he definitely beat Pierce IMO.

But really, the UFC pretty much always accepts the decision unless it is a total robbery, which this was not. So the fact remains, he won those fights. It effects betting, but not title shots. That said, I think Hendricks could have been given the title shot after KOing Fitch.

[MMA_scientist]

I mean, who is a more worth title challenger?

[poopoo333]

I mean, who is a more worth title challenger?

Che Mills.

[MMA_scientist]

Che Mills.

I was going to say-- aside from Che Mills, obviously. Maaaybe you could say, Keith Wisniewski. BUt other than that, it is between Papi Abedi and FC (future champ).

[poopoo333]

Speaking of the WW title picture, do you guys think the injury/layoff will negatively effect GSP when he comes back?

[MMA_scientist]

GSP is done.

[SPX]

Which rounds did you give Koscheck?

1 and 3, easily.

[MMA_scientist]

1 and 3, easily.

I scored it the same way, but 3 could have gone either way IMO. Kos got a takedown, which he did nothing with. Prior to that, he was getting beat up in that round pretty soundly. I scored it for Kos based on what judges normally do... but in reality, he didn't do shit in that round other than score a takedown and stay there causing no damage and not advancing his position. He never passed guard, he never landed a significant strike. I guess it depends on how much weight you put on "control." To me, it means more if you achieve a dominant position. That said, I expected Kos to get the nod, but wasn't shocked at all at the decision. In round 1, he did poke the shit out of the Hendricks' eye. So if we are going to start looking at "what should have happened" with the decision, I think the UFC would be just as justified in looking at the first round eye poke, which was obvious, and clearly affected FC.

[Ludo]

1 and 3, easily.

He got outstruck nearly two to one in the first round, and while he did get the takedown in round three he was able to do fuck all with it. The third round is really the only round Koscheck has a case for.

[SPX]

I mean, who is a more worth title challenger?

Ellenberger seems like the obvious choice to me. I think it's worth it to wait for the winner of him and Kampmann.

[MMA_scientist]

Ellenberger seems like the obvious choice to me. I think it's worth it to wait for the winner of him and Kampmann.

Yeah, Ellenberger is the only guy. Of course, Condit did already beat him. Hendricks has more fights and wins in the UFC, and he hasn't fought Condit yet. I wouldn't say Ellenberger has done more than Hendricks, but it is definitely debatable (Kos and Fitch vs. Shields and Sanchez)... Ellenberger has won more consecutively, but has fewer overall wins.

[SPX]

. . . first round eye poke, which was obvious, and clearly affected FC.

It was obvious to me that something affected Hendricks's eye, but it wasn't obvious what it was. Could've been a jab.

[MMA_scientist]

It was obvious to me that something affected Hendricks's eye, but it wasn't obvious what it was. Could've been a jab.

Have you seen the whole Koscheck eye poke breakdown with Gifs on BE? I am not saying the ref should have stopped it, but in hindsight...

[SPX]

He got outstruck nearly two to one in the first round, and while he did get the takedown in round three he was able to do fuck all with it. The third round is really the only round Koscheck has a case for.

It was only 14 to 18 for significant strikes in the first round and Kos was controlling most of the action, backing Hendricks up most of the time.

As for the takedown in the third, it's disingenuous to say he didn't do anything with it. He spent most of that time trying to cave Hendrick's ribs in with punches.

[SPX]

Have you seen the whole Koscheck eye poke breakdown with Gifs on BE? I am not saying the ref should have stopped it, but in hindsight...

I haven't seen them. Post it.

[Luke]

It was only 14 to 18 for significant strikes in the first round and Kos was controlling most of the action, backing Hendricks up most of the time.
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Maybe only 18 to 14 in significant strikes but it was 25 to 14 in total strikes which is almost 2-to-1.Hendricks also landed the only TD of the round.

[Luke]

I want to see the Rory-Condit rematch personally. No idea why they are still giving Rory scubs.

[SPX]

Maybe only 18 to 14 in significant strikes but it was 25 to 14 in total strikes which is almost 2-to-1.Hendricks also landed the only TD of the round.

I think that is the perfect round to demonstrate that bean counting doesn't work. Is it really just about numbers? A lot of those "non-significant" strikes were Hendricks kneeing Kos in the leg over and over.

It just seemed to me that Kos was landing harder, knocking Hendricks back, and controlling the action, and for that I give him the round. I'm not the only person who feels that way, either. It's not like what I'm saying is controversial.

[SPX]

I want to see the Rory-Condit rematch personally. No idea why they are still giving Rory scubs.

I think we'll get that eventually.

[Luke]

I think that is the perfect round to demonstrate that bean counting doesn't work. Is it really just about numbers? A lot of those "non-significant" strikes were Hendricks kneeing Kos in the leg over and over.

It just seemed to me that Kos was landing harder, knocking Hendricks back, and controlling the action, and for that I give him the round. I'm not the only person who feels that way, either. It's not like what I'm saying is controversial.

I think you need to rewatch rd 1. Any yes, bean counting is how scoring is done when neither guy hurts the other in a rd. Hendricks could barely see half the round,Kos wasnt knocking him back..........and he still outstruck him 2-to-1 with one eye.

[MMA_scientist]

I haven't seen them. Post it.

On second reading, there is no actual gif of the eye poke. Still worth a read though, as Koscheck poke pretty much everyone in the eye, even in his wrestling days.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/7/3000974/judo-chop-eye-poke-josh-koscheck-jordan-burroughs-amateur-wrestling-technique-mma-analysis

[MMA_scientist]

I want to see the Rory-Condit rematch personally. No idea why they are still giving Rory scubs.

I think Rory will probably eventually be champion, but he does need to fight a couple guys that can wrestle him up first, or at least someone that can stop his takedowns. He has proved his prowess at ragdolling smaller guys and defending subs from top... It is not as if there is a shortage of wrestlers at WW, I don't know why he hasn't fought one yet. I don't want to see him get the Hardy treatment, get a title shot without ever having to face a wrestler, only to find out that he can't beat any grappler at all after he loses the shot.

[Ludo]

I think that is the perfect round to demonstrate that bean counting doesn't work. Is it really just about numbers? A lot of those "non-significant" strikes were Hendricks kneeing Kos in the leg over and over.

It just seemed to me that Kos was landing harder, knocking Hendricks back, and controlling the action, and for that I give him the round. I'm not the only person who feels that way, either. It's not like what I'm saying is controversial.

But what evidence do we really have that he was "landing harder"? Neither guy got opened up, knocked down, or put in a position where they were in danger of losing the fight by strikes in the round.

[Svino]

http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/ufc-on-fox-3-in-progress-betting-review/

Svino, you will find this interesting.

Thanks for that link; it's interesting in quite a few ways. Obviously, it's written as an ad for BetDSI. I'm surprised to see that the house won on the Hendrick / Kos fight. I do wonder what the units are when he reports the results.

Also, I guess BookMaker must have also their offices in Central America (or maybe the Caribbean) because they also didn't have live betting on the last two undercard fights, where he said rain blocked out the BetDSI satellite feed.

[zY|]

They should let Rory rag doll future champ as a tuneup fight.

[zY|]

Things i learned today. Bean counting doesn't work, relying on shitty judges does.

Also, knees to the thigh are usually counted as significant strikes, unless they just barely graze or there is no distance between them.

[SPX]

Also, knees to the thigh are usually counted as significant strikes, unless they just barely graze or there is no distance between them.

Source?

I heard the Fight Metric guy on the SRN the other day and he said that "significant strikes" are normally from range, not little shit in the clinch against the fence.

[Luke]

Source?

I heard the Fight Metric guy on the SRN the other day and he said that "significant strikes" are normally from range, not little shit in the clinch against the fence.

If you dont start answering my texts I'm going to send a giant elephant to rape you in the middle of the street

[SPX]

If you dont start answering my texts I'm going to send a giant elephant to rape you in the middle of the street

Well fuck, I certainly don't want THAT now do I?

[Svino]

I think you need to rewatch rd 1. Any yes, bean counting is how scoring is done when neither guy hurts the other in a rd. Hendricks could barely see half the round,Kos wasnt knocking him back..........and he still outstruck him 2-to-1 with one eye.

FWIW, I believe this was Ricardo Almeida's first UFC event as a judge and he was the guy who called round 1 for Koscheck.

[zY|]

Source?

I heard the Fight Metric guy on the SRN the other day and he said that "significant strikes" are normally from range, not little shit in the clinch against the fence.

All strikes from distance and power strikes in the clinch or on the ground.

Source: http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/01/ufc-leaders-significant-strikes-landed.html

[SPX]

All strikes from distance and power strikes in the clinch or on the ground.

Source: http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/01/ufc-leaders-significant-strikes-landed.html

A knee to the thigh is a "power strike?" Get the fuck out!

[zY|]

Why not?

[Svino]

"Thigh knees don't finish fights."

[MMA_scientist]

FWIW, I believe this was Ricardo Almeida's first UFC event as a judge and he was the guy who called round 1 for Koscheck.

Wasn't Blatnick one of the judges too? That's an all star panel. Blatnick has never scored a round incorrectly.