UFC 149

[SPX]

Terrible match up for Akiyama. . .

Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Thiago Alves targeted for UFC 149 in Calgary (http://mmajunkie.com/news/28179/yoshihiro-akiyama-vs-thiago-alves-targeted-for-ufc-149-in-calgary.mma)

[poopoo333]

lmfao, jesus christ. Poor sexyama

[SPX]

I really don't get why Akiyama is still getting top guys. Shouldn't he get a lower level guy? I mean, Alves got to fight John Howard and Abedi. It seems like Akiyama should get a mid-level guy to see exactly where he stands in the division.

[zY|]

Because they have to pay him $45k to lose.

[SPX]

Akiyama losing doesn't help Dana achieve an MMA stranglehold over Japan.

[edman5555]

You would think they would give him some cans but they are getting low ppv numbers so they have to put the best drawing matches they can. Sexy can win that one IMO. He is pretty good when he shows up in shape. Maybe not the best in the world but capable of beating Thiago.

[SPX]

I think that if Sexy wants to win he needs to pull a Fitch and use his grappling. I'm just not sure if he can get Alves down.

[poopoo333]

Aaron Simpson To Make Welterweight Debut Against Jon Fitch (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/4/15/2950444/ufc-aaron-simpson-vs-jon-fitch-ufc-149-mma-news)

[SPX]

Hmm, tough WW debut. . .

[poopoo333]

Light-heavyweight champ Jon ‘Bones’ Jones will likely have his next title defence at UFC 149, and the Calgary Sun has also learned that former interim heavyweight champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira will face Cheick Kongo at the July 21 event.
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[SPX]

Nog/Kongo should be an interesting fight. Nog can win if he can muster up some of that Super Nog Power like he did against Schaub.

[poopoo333]

I actually like Nog in this fight. Kongo is really tentative and Nog comes out aggressive on the feet. I don't see Kongo wanting to do the Buentello gameplan with Nog, so he will probably want to keep it on the fight where Nog might have the advantage.

[MMA_scientist]

Nog is going to dominate.

[SPX]

I think it's a close fight just because Nog is shot. Obviously he can still win fights and still has some fight left in him, but his chin is weak as fuck and he's just old. I'm still surprised he beat Couture.

[edman5555]

Nog has looked better recently. He dropped Schaub and Mir. How many people was he dropping with punches a few years ago? I think those surgeries may have helped him. That said, he has a ton of mileage. I am rooting for him to beat Kongo. Anything can happen in that one IMO.

[Vandelay]

Just threw 100 on Hendo at plus 575.

[Luke]

Just threw 100 on Hendo at plus 575.

::thumbdown::

[zY|]

Nog is chinny but so is Kongo now.

[Vandelay]

TRT hendo is godlike

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhq1soh4IP1qcgr7io1_500.jpg

Believe

[poopoo333]

Jones was just -1125 on 5dimes. Pretty sure Hendo/Jones won't be on 149 though. It will be Aldo/Kock.

[poopoo333]

With Akiyama hurt, Siyar Bahadurzada steps in to face Thiago Alves at UFC 149

....

[Ludo]

Thiago is going down.

[SPX]

Didn't hear that Akiyama was injured, but it's a good thing for him.

Hopefully the UFC will give him a gimme fight.

[zY|]

Didn't hear that Akiyama was injured, but it's a good thing for him.

Hopefully the UFC will give him a gimme fight.

Belcher, Leben, Bisping, Vitor, Marquardt, Alves, Shields.

Yeah, an easy matchup is likely.

[poopoo333]

They will probably give him Koscheck.

[SPX]

Belcher, Leben, Bisping, Vitor, Marquardt, Alves, Shields.

Yeah, an easy matchup is likely.

I'm just saying they need to do him a solid and match him up with a fighter who's on the appropriate level. Plenty of other established fighters occasionally get matched up with fighters who are either new to the UFC or who are mid-tier guys.

Belcher fought Gouveia.
Guida fought Shannon Guggerty.
Jeremy Stephens fought Danny Downes.

A lot of fighters get bounce-back fights after a loss. If anyone is deserving of such a fight now, it's Akiyama.

[poopoo333]

Akiyama is getting paid too much to get fights like those.

[SPX]

What's he getting, like 40K? Is that more than Kos got to fight a newcomer in Paulo Thiago? More than Fitch got paid fight a dude with only one win in the UFC in Mike Pierce? It's barely even more than Chris Leben got to fight Jay Silva.

People always use the argument that Akiyama "gets paid too much," but he's really not making a whole lot of money in comparison to a lot of other guys. Besides, there are other benefits. Fans want to see Akiyama fight. The more he wins, the more the UFC can justify keeping him around, and potentially the deeper the UFC can penetrate both the Japanese and Korean markets.

[poopoo333]

He makes more than MMA Junkie tells us.

[SPX]

Don't they all. . .

[poopoo333]

According to Yahoo Korea, Yoshihiro Akiyama (http://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=yoshihiro%20akiyama) has signed on to be a face for promotion of Mercedes Benz (http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=mercedes+benz) . He is also being sponsored by Mercedes Benz for his upcoming fight. Mercedes Benz Japan have used only super stars such as actors and actresses, it is their second time using an athlete. First was Hidetoshi Nakata.


http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8224/o0480064311940705562.jpg

[SPX]

Just dropped 5u on Aldo at -385.

Thoughts?

[MMA_scientist]

Just dropped 5u on Aldo at -385.

Thoughts?

Win.

[Luke]

Just dropped 5u on Aldo at -385.

Thoughts?

think you really went out on a limb there

[SPX]

BOL. Well I haven't seen anyone else say they've bet it, so I wasn't sure if everyone but me thought the line was high.

[Thewisemann]

Aldo is a great bet at -385

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/5442.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

Went ahead and dropped enough on Shogun to win a unit.

[poopoo333]

I want to bet Aldo @-400. Anybody think Kock has a chance? I want to get the bet in now, I am sure Aldo will be -550 or so eventually.

[poopoo333]

Nevermind, Aldo is not going to lose. Put a max bet on him @-400.

[Vandelay]

You have a link to any of his recent fights?

[poopoo333]

http://mmaversus.com/2011/09/18/erik-koch-vs-jonathan-brookins-fight-video-ufc-fn-25/

His WEC ones are hard to find...if you looked I am sure you could find the Mendes one easier.

I have UFC 128 downloaded so I have Kock/Assuncao...but that was a real short fight anyways

[Vandelay]

yea i was looking more for his other fights. This one was more grappling oriented right?

[poopoo333]

Yeah, Brookins trying to get Koch down..can't. For a long 15 minutes

[poopoo333]

Went ahead and dropped enough on Shogun to win a unit.

Are you worried that NCAA Silva might show up?

[Vandelay]

What about NCAA Shogun?

[SPX]

Are you worried that NCAA Silva might show up?

Not particularly. Just hard to imagine the guy who beat Machida and fought to a draw with Hendo getting beat by Thiago Silva.

[poopoo333]

What about NCAA Shogun?

True that.


Not particularly. Just hard to imagine the guy who beat Machida and fought to a draw with Hendo getting beat by Thiago Silva.

MMA Math FTW

[SPX]

MMA Math FTW

Sometimes it works. . .

[poopoo333]

Thiago Silva Out Of UFC 149, Shogun Rua Reportedly Turned Down Glover Teixeira As Replacement (Updated) (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/6/1/3057396/ufc-149-thiago-silva-out-shogun-rua-vs-glover-teixeira-mma-news)

[poopoo333]

I want Shogun vs Rashad Evans, Phil Davis, Alex Gustafsson, or Lil Nog. Let Glover crush some cans.

[SPX]

I wonder why Shogun turned down Teixera. Did he just think there wasn't enough prestige in the name or does he doubt for some reason that he's going to win?

[poopoo333]

I don't think he wants to get his ass kicked by a guy nobody has ever heard of on PPV.

[SPX]

Yeah, but I mean, what is the likelihood that that will happen? Sure, Teixera ran though Kingsbury, but what does that have to do with Shogun?

[poopoo333]

Yeah, but I mean, what is the likelihood that that will happen? Sure, Teixera ran though Kingsbury, but what does that have to do with Shogun?

Meh I would not be surprised.

[Svino]

Shogun would have nothing to gain from that fight.

[poopoo333]

If Rashad/Shogun were made, I think the lines would be reversed from when they were supposed to fight at UFC 128. I was looking real forward to betting that fight and making a lot of money on Rashad +155

[SPX]

Shogun would have nothing to gain from that fight.

Well, there's always his $165K paycheck. . .

[Svino]

Well, there's always his $165K paycheck. . .

Well yes, there is that.

[SPX]

I guess my point is that if they can make another, more suitable fight, then okay. But if it comes down to fighting Teixera and getting paid or sitting on the shelf, it seems like he'd take the fight.

[poopoo333]

Big Nog -230, Kongo +170

[poopoo333]

Went and took Nog @ -175

[MMA_scientist]

Nog should win that easily I would think.

[poopoo333]

Me too, thought -175 was going to be a one time deal....thought it would go back up to -215 or so quickly. Apparently it was down to -155 recently. Oh well. Just don't see how Kongo wins. He isn't really a heavy KO artist (except that crazy Pat Barry fight), he isn't going to want to put Nog up against the fence and take him down. He is a tentative striker, I think Nog will box him up and probably get him to the ground.

[MMA_scientist]

I really don't see how Kono wins either. He gets hit a lot, and I think he is more chinny that Nog at this point. He is too small to hold Nog down I think. Maybe Nog is out of shape because of his shoulder.

[SPX]

. . . and I think he is more chinny that Nog at this point.

This statement seems to come from the same place as unicorns and leprechauns.

[poopoo333]

Erik Koch vs Jose Aldo - 5 rounds - UFC 148 propositions


Sat 7/21

1003 Koch/Aldo goes 5 round distance

+170





11:30PM

1004 Fight won't go 5 round distance

-230





Michael Bisping vs Tim Boetsch - 3 rounds - UFC 148 propositions


Sat 7/21

1403 Bisping/Boetsch goes 3 round distance

-230





10:00PM

1404 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+170

[MMA_scientist]

This statement seems to come from the same place as unicorns and leprechauns.

Well who has Nog been knocked out by? Mir and Cain. Kongo was also dropped Mir (before he grabbed the guillotine), and was dropped and nearly knocked out by Barry too. The of course he was KO'd by Hunt. Kongo doesn't seem like he takes a very good shot these days to me. Maybe Barry and hunt hit harder than Cain... still I don't think it is that far fetched.

[SPX]

Well to be fair, Kongo has been fighting a lot more lately and I think his most recent performances are fresher in your mind. And even then, the only dude who actually knocked Kongo out was Hunt.

With Nog, he got knocked out by Mir . . . beat Randy . . . knocked out by Cain . . . almost knocked out by Schaub (if you dispute this go back and watch the fight, there was a point before the finish when he looked rocked and about a punch away from getting KOd) . . . and then, okay, he didn't get knocked out by Mir the second time around, but instead got his arm ripped off.

I'm not saying that Kongo hasn't had some issues as of late, but he's only really been knocked out once . . . in his entire career (I'm not counting the Yvel fight because that wasn't really a knockout).

[poopoo333]

Pretty sure Kongo was KO'd at least six times in the Barry fight.

[poopoo333]

British middleweight Michael Bisping (http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Michael-Bisping) has been injured and is out of his UFC 149 bout against rising force Tim Boetsch (http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Tim-Boetsch). Stepping in to meet "The Barbarian" will be Hector Lombard, a former Cuban Olympian who rides a 25-fight unbeaten streak into his Octagon debut.


...

[poopoo333]

With champ Aldo out, UFC 148's Faber-Barao title fight moves to UFC 149 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/29145/with-champ-aldo-out-ufc-148s-faber-barao-title-fight-moved-to-ufc-149.mma)

[MMA_scientist]

Man, the UFc is putting on some super shitty main events. I hope this is free... UFC 147 main event is Franklin/Wand, and this main is Barao/Faber... cmon, those have to be free.

[SPX]

Barao/Faber for the Interim title is a shitty main event and should be free? WTF?

[MMA_scientist]

Barao/Faber for the Interim title is a shitty main event and should be free? WTF?

Yeah, clearly. Am I alone here? You think Barao/Faber is PPV headliner worthy?

[SPX]

Yeah, I mean for one, it's an interim title fight. That alone, in my opinion, should make it PPV worthy. For another, Faber is always super-exciting and Barao is also fun to watch. I guess I don't know what your objection is to the awesomeness of that fight.

In a time when there's an event on just about every week, I think we can't expect all main events to be Shogun/Hendo. It's a strong fight, I think.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I mean for one, it's an interim title fight. That alone, in my opinion, should make it PPV worthy. For another, Faber is always super-exciting and Barao is also fun to watch. I guess I don't know what your objection is to the awesomeness of that fight.

In a time when there's an event on just about every week, I think we can't expect all main events to be Shogun/Hendo. It's a strong fight, I think.

I am glad they have so many events, as long as they are free. There is no way in hell I would pay $55 to watch Faber/Barao. It wasn't the main event 2 days ago, and it still can't carry a card IMO.

[SPX]

I guess for me it would depend on the strength of the card as a whole.

But I guess it just seems that, on principle, any fight between the #1 and #2 contender for a semi-title should be regarded both as main event and PPV worthy. In my opinion, some fights are important regardless even of who the actual fighters are, and this is one of them.

[poopoo333]

I don't care, I don't pay for them anyways. I just pay for chicken wings and beer when I watch these fights.

[edman5555]

Nog should win that easily I would think.

He could. Kongo has decent takedown defense thouhg. He also has good stand up and nogs chin is not getting any better. Tough call. I would def call that a candidate for a no bet if i have ever seen one.

[edman5555]

baroa/faber is a good fight. The only reason it wouldnt be name worthy is because of baroas name. His skillset is worthy, he just isn't famous. Good fight imo. I think Lombard kills Boetsch. He will be a lot faster.

[poopoo333]

I am rooting for Boetsch.

[SPX]

Me too. Beating Lombard would be a nice "favor" after taking my money in the Okami fight.

[poopoo333]

I was on Boetsch in that fight, so war Boetsch. But that didn't make up for the horrible night I had. I think UFC 144 and UFC on FX 3 were my worst MMA events this year.

[poopoo333]

Big Nog out, Shawn Jordan in. If Shawn Jordan is a decent dog, I will be all over it.

[poopoo333]

What do you guys think about Lombard/Boetsch? Would like to get some insight on this fight before tomorrow afternoon. Watching videos now. The odds will probably be out for this fight tomorrow on bookmaker.

[SPX]

I'm staying away for sure on that one. Lombard is virtually untested against top comp and Boetsch is an overachiever. The only way I'd bet either guy is if he was a decent underdog.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, if Bookmaker opens the line tomorrow, I doubt we'd get Boetsch at any crazy dog price. If 5d opened it up, Boetsch would be like +335

[poopoo333]

Alright...after looking at Boetsch/Lombard I think Lombard should probably be a slight(ish) favorite..-165 to -175 or so. I think Lombard will be the better striker, and I think he has the capability to end up on top if Boetsch fails on some takedowns. Boetsch is a strong, tough guy that doesn't stop coming forward, but he is somewhat plodding and his punches come off as a little slow. I think Hector Lombard is pretty damn overrated after watching footage on him. I think this will be an ugly fight. If Lombard wins, I think it will be by decision where he ends up in top position off of Boetsch's takedown attempts or even a takedown of his own and sort of "rides out the clock". However...I can see Boetsch making it ugly and stunning Lombard with some heavy shots and getting takedowns of his own. Lombard might fade late in the fight, combine that with what Joe Rogan calls "octagon jitters", and he might slow down in the fight.

Ok...those are my thoughts on that fight. I think it should be -165 Lombard +125 Boetsch..or something like that. I will take Boetsch if he is +200 or better. I also think this fight will go the distance, and I am sure I will get a nice price on that prop on 5 dimes.

[SPX]

I would definitely be on Boetsch at +200, but I really don't expect to get that.

Boetsch is strong and good wrestler himself, so I'm not sure how well Lombard's judo will work for him here. Lombard is also just fucking short for middleweight and might be better suited for 170.

Then again, Boetsch dropped a round to Nick Ring, so. . .

[poopoo333]

Yeah, that's the round that worries me. Nick Ring was able to stuff Boetsch and neutralize his grappling and ended up in somewhat of a dominant position on the mat...I think Lombard may end up being able to do that 2/3 rounds on Boetsch's possibly failed TD attempts.

Oh, yeah...good point about the size of Lombard...Boetsch might be huge compared to Lombard...

[MMA_scientist]

Lombard is going to beat Boetch. That is all.

[poopoo333]

Lombard will be -310, Boetsch will be +240

[MMA_scientist]

Lombard will be -310, Boetsch will be +240

Nah, it won't be that bad. Boetch has beaten good guys. My guess is -200/+160

[poopoo333]

Nah, it won't be that bad. Boetch has beaten good guys. My guess is -200/+160

Naw, I am right.

[poopoo333]

But it is weird...Lombard was -125ish in the Stann fight, a guy he would be able to take down much easier than Boetsch I would think...what's up with that???

[MMA_scientist]

But it is weird...Lombard was -125ish in the Stann fight, a guy he would be able to take down much easier than Boetsch I would think...what's up with that???

Lombard is a striker mostly. He was probably going to bang with Stann, and I am sure that is his plan with Boetch too.

[poopoo333]

I threw a unit down on Boetsch @+240

[SPX]

I put half a unit. Why the fuck is he +240? I actually expected him to be a slight dog at the worst. That line seems WAY off to me.

[poopoo333]

Sucks that Jose Aldo/Erick Cock isn't on this card anymore...had a big bet on Aldo and was gonna increase it when the betting limits were increased.

This card was plagued by injuries...sucks.

I am really hoping Shawn Jordan opens as a big underdog to Cheick Kongo.

[SPX]

Kongo's probably going to fuck Jordan up. Why are you confident in him?

[poopoo333]

This card is cursed as fuck.


With Siyar Bahadurzada out at UFC 149, Chris Clements now meets Matt Riddle (http://mmajunkie.com/news/29462/with-siyar-bahadurzada-out-at-ufc-149-chris-clements-now-meets-matt-riddle.mma)

Chris Clements should run away with this one.

[poopoo333]

Another injury..Claude Patrick



Brian Ebersole -- coming off a hard-fought, impressive win at UFC on FX June 22 -- has verbally agreed to step in to face James Head in the welterweight match-up.

[poopoo333]

Starting to have 2nd thoughts about Barao winning...starting to think Faber can take this. Never know how Barao's cardio is and Faber could take over in the later rounds

[edman5555]

Another injury..Claude Patrick

I think Ebersole takes James Head.

[Thewisemann]

At the Current line ill go with Faber

[edman5555]

Same here. I think fabers wrestling will be the deciding factor.

[SPX]

War fuckin' Faber!

I hope he beats Barao and then beats Cruz.

[Thewisemann]

Took Faber and Boetsch enough to win a unit. This card sucks except I love the main event.

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)

Urijah Faber vs. Renan Barao (for interim bantamweight title)
Tim Boetsch vs. Hector Lombard
Shawn Jordan vs. Cheick Kongo
Brian Ebersole vs. James Head
Chris Clements vs. Matt Riddle

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX)

Court McGee vs. Nick Ring
Roland Delorme vs. Francisco Rivera
Ryan Jimmo vs. Anthony Perosh
Bryan Caraway vs. Mitch Gagnon

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)

Antonio Carvalho vs. Daniel Pineda
Mitch Clarke vs. Anton Kuivanen

[poopoo333]

Faber's line is getting worthy of a small bet, although Barao should win. I just think Barao is a bit of a question mark when it comes to his conditioning. Has he ever been put on his back before? Jorgensen could not get him down, but Faber has better TDs. If Faber wins, do you guys think it will be ITD or a decision? Faber by decision is +255 right now. Actually, do you guys think Barao will get the stoppage if he wins or win the decision? The decision prop is -165.

We have already discussed Boetsch. I have a play on him @+240.

I really think Shawn Jordan is going to be worth a bet at a +200 or better line (if he comes out there). Kongo is a bit chinny and he waits around a bit too much..slow starter..plods..etc. Shawn Jordan is tough, is going to go out there and get in Kongo's face, and even go for some takedowns. I really think he has improved a lot in the short time he has been at Jackson's. I think he will make it an ugly fight. I may be way wrong with this one because Shawn Jordan is taking such a huge step up in competition, but I will be playing Jordan in this one.

Brian Ebersole is taking this fight on short notice, but he DID just come off a training camp for T.J. Waldburger. IIRC, Nick Ring was grapplefucking James Head...am I right? I need to watch that fight, somebody post a link. But if that was the case, Ebersole will probably be able to do the same.

I saw Chris Clements fight at UFC 145 in Atlanta and I did not know much about him. He is pretty big in person and he showed decent striking. I think he can out strike Matt "throw 1,000 punches in a fight that do not land" Riddle. Clements didn't show the best TDD or ground game, but when does Matt Riddle ever fight smart and go for the takedown? I like Chris Clements in this one, especially if he opens around -150.

[edman5555]

Nick ring didnt really grapple fuck james head. He beat the shit out of him for two rounds then submitted him while he was battered and bloody. The sub probably wouldnt have happened if he didnt beat him up first.

Ill take ebersole over head.

Jimmo is a karate guy with pretty good takedown defense. Perpsh seems kind of slow. Tough call.


Faber is a lot better than jorgenson but who knows what will happen. I dont think we have seen anyone really get barao down..

[poopoo333]

I don't know why, but for some reason I think I remember Barao slowing down slighty and getting tired against Cole Escovedo, even though he was in total control of the fight...I really need to finish my homework so I can watch videos

[Vandelay]

Escovedo arguably won that fight. Barao didnt want to stand and got outgrappled.

[edman5555]

I don't know why, but for some reason I think I remember Barao slowing down slighty and getting tired against Cole Escovedo, even though he was in total control of the fight...I really need to finish my homework so I can watch videos

I read a few play by plays for barao. He had some trouble with escovedo and leone. Sherdog gave leone round two and issued some 10-10's in the escovedo fight. Neither one of those guys has done very well in the ufc. I will be on faber for sure. Another thing i noticed is that most of baraos recent submission wins are against guys with less than stellar records. Im hoping fabers line creeps up a little bit. I think he takes it.

[poopoo333]

Alright guys, 7 DAYS FROM NOW WE HAVE UFC 149, LET'S GET RICH

[poopoo333]

Can somebody pleaseeeee find me Barao/Escovedo video?

[Svino]

Can somebody pleaseeeee find me Barao/Escovedo video?

http://www.putlocker.com/file/739760D385C616BC

[poopoo333]

Thanks svino


Shawn Jordan is +110..opened +179...fuck. someone go hammer kongo -150 and move the line for me

[Vandelay]

I saw that. Im not taking Jordan at that price tho. Wish I would have caught the opener. its down to -110 now

[poopoo333]

I maxed it at +125. He is -135 now but I expect people to bet big on Kongo -105 bringing it back to + money

[zY|]

Nice avatar. When did Matt Serra get so fat?

[SPX]

If Kongo's price stays around -135 then I'll definitely be betting him. Crazy line.

[poopoo333]

Get 5 dimes, FUCK

[SPX]

I actually was going to reload my account a few months ago and even went up to Walmart to MoneyGram them money but got kind of confused by the process and just said fuck it and walked out.

I'd do it now but I'm broke as a fucking bitch. Like, super broke.

[poopoo333]

Starting to come around on Faber actually. Just hate how he is a pretty slow starter. But after watching film on Faber I noticed that 135 is definitely an awesome weight class for him. He is MUCH quicker imo.

[Vandelay]

Faber will hopefully use his wrestling in this one. Barao is a superior striker. Faber hung with Aldo tho who is much faster and better standing then Barao. Faber should have the wrestling edge, cardio, experience, and chin. Barao should be faster, better standing, and solid tdd.

I like Faber at his odds for sure.

[poopoo333]

Yeah...I need to watch more of Barao though. If Faber uses his wrestling and just makes it a high paced fight I see Barao slowing down by the championship rounds. I am curious to see who money comes in on this week.

[poopoo333]

Nick ring didnt really grapple fuck james head. He beat the shit out of him for two rounds then submitted him while he was battered and bloody. The sub probably wouldnt have happened if he didnt beat him up first.

hmm..I guess I should have said "he took him down and kept him there while beating his ass"

http://fightnext.com/video/NN4R171BKK3S/Nick-Ring-vs-James-Head--UFC-131



Head seemed OK on the feet, was even winning. But Ring was taking him down at will and controlling him.

Abedi took Head down and kept him there most of round 1 before getting tired, beat on the feet, and getting dropped/choked out.

Ebersole should beat Head..Head's only out is if Ebersole refuses to come to grapple/get takedowns. Ebersole's slow plodding walk forward style could mean trouble for him on the feet against Head.

[poopoo333]

Ebersole is gonna end up being worse than -300 I bet...gay

[trotterz]

Poopoo,
I keep looking at the Kongo fight over and over but I still can't find how you are so confident in Jordan over Kongo.

As for Ebersole, like I already said a couple days earlyer, to me he is the one I am the most confident in of the whole card.

[poopoo333]

Poopoo,
I keep looking at the Kongo fight over and over but I still can't find how you are so confident in Jordan over Kongo.

As for Ebersole, like I already said a couple days earlyer, to me he is the one I am the most confident in of the whole card.


I liked him a lot as a dog..not at the current line. I'm not super confident or anything, but I think he presents a pretty big style match up challenge to Kongo. Jordan is a VERY athletic heavyweight, and is getting better every single fight. He took the Devin Cole fight on like a week's notice, and looked great, and handled himself very well against a veteran wrestler (and rapist). Then, he got with Jacksons MMA and he beat Lavar Johnson on like a week or two notice again and looked impressive. Showed a good chin, adequate striking, blah blah. Then he had a full camp against Oli Thompson and looked great. He gets better each fight. He is with a good camp now. He has the aggressive style that Kongo has had trouble with in the past. He has good power. Good wrestling. Good conditioning for a heavyweight. Great athlete etc etc. With Kongo, you have a guy who is probably not getting any better, is on the possible decline, and somebody who has been suffering through some bad injuries (especially his back injury). He is also very tentative in his fights and has the tendency to move backwards. I think if Kongo wins he is going to win by dropping Jordan with a counter straight..or if he somehow is able to implement the Mitrione gameplan which I don't think he will be able to do against Jordan.


I just think Shawn Jordan is going to win. I could definitely be wrong though. I'm not the only one who thinks this though....just look at the line/line movement.


I haven't looked at any of the prelim fights yet...any good potential spots there? I will probably want to parlay Ebersole with somebody.

[Ludo]

Faber hung with Aldo tho who is much faster and better standing then Barao.

If by "hung with" you mean missed a vast majority of his strikes while being hit over 80% of the time standing over five rounds, then yeah.

[Ludo]

If by "hung with" you mean missed a vast majority of his strikes while being hit over 80% of the time standing over five rounds, then yeah.

That should be 70%, typo.

[edman5555]

Yeah thats true but you can also give him credit for not getting knocked out like pretty much everyone else. I don't think Barao is as nasty as Aldo. I'm going to watch some fights on him now.

[mike]

odds out on bmaker, guys.

[poopoo333]

^^thanks for the text



7:15 PM


24263
JAMES HEAD
PK+250




24264
BRIAN EBERSOLE
PK-320







7:15 PM


24267
MATT RIDDLE
PK-115




24268
CHRIS CLEMENTS
PK-115

[poopoo333]

I will be betting Ebersole when it comes out on 5 dimes.

[poopoo333]

Looks like I am done betting Shawn Jordan. Kongo is the dog pretty much everywhere now. Doubt it shifts back.


Would like Ebersole to open up under -350 on 5 dimes.

[poopoo333]

They just opened up the Ebersole line along with Riddle/Clements on 5 dimes. They fucked up I think..it's under "reduced". Ebersole is -360 :(

[edman5555]

I can see why you like Shawn Jordan but taking him big to beat Kongo seems pretty risky to me. I would honestly favor Kongo in this one. Jordan will probably be at a huge height and reach disadvantage.

[Svino]

Anyone else like Riddle over Clements (even at -140)?

[poopoo333]

Edman..didn't bet big on him. Only 2.5 units. If he gets to + numbers again I would bet it again

[SPX]

Just grabbed Kongo at +110. Holy shit. I can't believe he's the dog.

And Ebersole's line fucking SUCKS. Head or nothing at that line.

[poopoo333]

How much on Kongo?

[SPX]

1u

[poopoo333]

UFC 149 - Middleweight 3 rounds - Scotiabank Saddledome - Calgary, Alberta, Canada - FX


Sat 7/21

1501 Nick Ring

-105





9:00PM

1502 Court McGee

-135




I like Ring. He should be the favorite.

[SPX]

I agree. If that line holds, I'll definitely be on him.

McGee is really not that great.

[poopoo333]

I bet on Ring twice, once at -120 once at -110 both to win a total of 5 units. I will hedge with Mcgee by decision most likely

[SPX]

I see that Ring's line is going gay. That sucks.

[Vandelay]

If by "hung with" you mean missed a vast majority of his strikes while being hit over 80% of the time standing over five rounds, then yeah.

More the fact that he went toe-to-toe with Aldo and wasn't in any real danger of being finished (except for low kicks).

[edman5555]

What do you guys think about Mcgee and Ring? I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that Nick ring wins. Wasn't the first fight pretty close?

[SPX]

I think they fought twice, didn't they? Didn't Ring win the first time on the show and then McGee the second at the finale?

I do think Ring is the more skilled fighter.

[edman5555]

They fought once, it was a two round fight that ring won a maj decision in. They were slated to fight once more but Ring tore his acl and had to have a reconstruction. I favor Ring in this but we'll see.

[edman5555]

I do think that brian ebersole will handle James head btw. His wrestling should be good enough to take him down if nick rings wrestling is good enough. He also tough as nails and hard to choke.

[SPX]

Hmm. Well yeah, I think Ring will win. His line is getting shitty, though.

[edman5555]

How about the hippo anthony perosh? He is a pretty highly decorated jiu jitsu guy but he is moving down to 205 for the first time and he's getting kinda old. Jimmo is the MFC champ, karate guy.

[Ludo]

How about the hippo anthony perosh? He is a pretty highly decorated jiu jitsu guy but he is moving down to 205 for the first time and he's getting kinda old. Jimmo is the MFC champ, karate guy.

Perosh' last three fights have been at 205. I'll take Jimmo here by being younger, known for a good workrate, and having better striking than Perosh. He could be in some trouble if Perosh can get him down though.

[poopoo333]

For the first time? He's been there since after the Cro Cop fight at UFC 110.

[poopoo333]

ninja'd

[edman5555]

ooh damn. I havent been paying attention. My bad.

Anyways, here is a link to a barao fight vs brad pickett. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjtwrOIQwlA&feature=relmfu

The escovedo one is on youtube as well. He really blasts picket on the feet and takes the back amazingly well.

[edman5555]

Perosh' last three fights have been at 205. I'll take Jimmo here by being younger, known for a good workrate, and having better striking than Perosh. He could be in some trouble if Perosh can get him down though.

I think he has a good shot at getting him down. Probably not over and over for three rounds though.

[edman5555]

After watching faber assuncao i can definetly see faber having trouble with barao in the takedown department. He had trouble with assuncao for a little while. He actually made it to top position by dropping assuncao quite a bit. Twice actually. I think he might have the speed advantage against Barao but I am pretty sure Barao is a better striker.

[edman5555]

http://mmaversus.com/2012/02/06/ufc-143scott-jorgensen-vs-renan-barao-full-fight-video/

jorg was getting inside on him in the first round for the take down quite a bit but he couldn't finish it. On one hand if jorgensen cant finish a single take down it doesnt bode well for faber but on the other hand if jorg can get inside faber should be able to.

[SPX]

All I'll say is that Faber fucking DESTROYED Bowles in his last fight. It was very impressive.

[poopoo333]

I think I am going to stay away from Barao/Faber now.

[mike]

i put 1u on Faber. I think he's faster overall on handspeed and footwork. Barao hits hard but Faber seem to take a good punch. i think Barao will slow down after 2 rounds and Faber will take over and the first 2 rounds arent guaranteed for Barao either. I think Faber will have a very hard time taking Barao down but he can outstrike Barao with his quickness and cardio. ahh sux i'll be out of town this weekend so gonna miss the live betting.

[edman5555]

I am starting to see why you like Shawn Jordan PooPoo. He did very well against lavar johnson. Jordans jaw is pretty amazing. He is also a texas state wrestling champion. That said, Cheick can wrestle as well. I don't know if his defensive wrestling can stop Jordan. It might be able to. Standing it is close. I think Cheick will have a reach advantage as well as a technical advantage. Jordan is pretty explosive though.

[poopoo333]

I like him to win still, but I don't really like him anymore at the current line. But yeah, the thing I am worried about is if Kongo can uses his very big reach advantage to keep Jordan at bay and pick him apart or even get Jordan against the cage.

[poopoo333]

Full odds

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/527.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[edman5555]

I am leaning towards lombard. I think boetsche will have a hard time taking him down and lombard is better on the feet imo. Anyone disagree with the last part?

[Ludo]

I am leaning towards lombard. I think boetsche will have a hard time taking him down and lombard is better on the feet imo. Anyone disagree with the last part?

Standing it's about even, but Lombard has the truly insane power to make everything he lands hurt more.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sBCPKj8fsw&feature=channel&list=UL

..OH NO YOU DIDN'T!

[MMA_scientist]

I am leaning towards lombard. I think boetsche will have a hard time taking him down and lombard is better on the feet imo. Anyone disagree with the last part?

I think Lombard is better standing and I think there is very little chance Boetch gets him down. Boetch doesn't shoot the speedy double, he uses his strength in the clinch... Lombard should be able to fend that off pretty well with his judo base.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gorS8Zxolfw&feature=player_embedded


...lol so Tito DID have an injury excuse!

[Ludo]

My only problem in betting Lombard here is those UFC jitters coupled with Boetsch being really tough. If he survives the first round or two he's going to still be right there in Lombard's face.

[SPX]

Well he's also -300. . .

[poopoo333]

I have a bet on Boetsch +240. Sucks dick that he is +325 now

[Ludo]

I have a value bet on Boetsch as well.

[SPX]

UFC 149 wins for Riddle, Rivera overturned to no contests after positive drug tests (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31226/ufc-issues-statement-on-recently-suspended-matt-riddle-francisco-rivera.mma)


Riddle been smoking dat weed. Sucks to get a win overturned because you wanted to chill out and eat some Lucky Charms.

[rodulph]

He dropped Schaub and Mir. How many people was he dropping with punches a few years ago? I think those surgeries may have helped him. That said, he has a ton of mileage. I am rooting for him to beat Kongo. Anything can happen in that one IMO.

[Luke]

^^^^^^sideloaded

[SPX]

I've been wondering. . .